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GameSampras
04-05-2009, 02:29 PM
Others may disagree. But the pack is definitely catching up here pretty quick and while Fed is still having strong showings at the slams, reaching final after final, his results will inevitably get worse if he continues going down this road. Fed is at the point in his career where certainly his eyes should be on the prize. (French Open or slam record) either one. Both if all possible. Some will say he has a good 3-4 years to manage slams. Im not so sure about that at this juncture. I think it is a NECESSITY he grabs at least one this year. If he goes slamless this year, he may never be able to get those last 2. Nadal is not going anywheres for quite a while, and Djoker and Murray arent going anywheres. Murray just keeps improving by leaps and bounds and eventually he is going to interject himself at the slams on a consistent basis. Not to mention some other players who could sneak in. If Fed wants that record. He better get it now while he still has enough game to do it. Murray is only going to get better overrall and on Hardcourts and Im sure his game will improve on grass and he may surprise alot of people at Wimbeldon this year.

RG may be out of the question for Roger. He better be gunning for Wimbeldon and the USO though. Sampras hung on for 2 years without a slam. But also by that time the record was already broke. Could Fed really be able to deal with 2 years and no slams? Highly unlikely considering how he used to dominate. It would prolly eat him alive

kungfusmkim
04-05-2009, 02:32 PM
No i totally agree. With his game declining, a baby on the way and the rest of the field getting stronger and unraveling the weaknesses of federer i agree that he atleast needs to defend his USO title. At least. Because when that baby kicks in i dont think he'll be getting alot of focus or sleep as a matter of fact.

shadows
04-05-2009, 02:35 PM
It's a worthwhile consideration, mentally if Fed takes a slam this year I think that'll do him the world of good because at least then he's proved to himself (and everyone else) that he can still do it. I do wonder if a year with no slam might make him doubt whether he himself has still got it. Depends on how close he comes in the remainder of the year.

I'm not sure I entirely agree with you about him needing to grab one, I tend to think that if Fed was to win 1 slam next year pre US open that I'd probably back him to take that too.

He's still got the game, I think it's nearly unanimously agreed that the downfall has come on the mental side of things, if he was to get on a roll and build some serious confidence I think he'll still be hard to stop. Also he does seem to have better concentration during the slams than elsewhere.

SaintClaires
04-05-2009, 02:35 PM
Federer is always on fire at the US Open....I don't know how he does it......


But with the rise of Murray, it will be a little harder this year.


And If Nadal isn't walking on one leg by the time the US Open comes around, he will also pose a threat.

kungfusmkim
04-05-2009, 02:41 PM
I think if Fed can win USO this year and take AO next year he can retire for good. :) Can't stand watching him any more. no matter how good the play is its getting boring. No sorry HIS getting boring. I have to watch the WTA now cause i grew tired of Federer.

Melissa
04-05-2009, 02:43 PM
No i totally agree. With his game declining, a baby on the way and the rest of the field getting stronger and unraveling the weaknesses of federer i agree that he atleast needs to defend his USO title. At least. Because when that baby kicks in i dont think he'll be getting alot of focus or sleep as a matter of fact.


Lol. The baby will be sleeping in a room with the nanny in a separate wing of his home. lol

tudwell
04-05-2009, 02:45 PM
Federer will win 3 slams this year.

SaintClaires
04-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Federer will win 3 slams this year.


Woah :shock::shock::shock::shock:

Lsmkenpo
04-05-2009, 02:52 PM
This is something I have touched upon in other threads, I don't feel his talent has declined much but mentally his focus is clearly not there, and it will be tough for him to keep his focus on the court, the young players can keep all their focus strictly on tennis, for example, Andy Murray doesn't even have his drivers license lol, all tennis, all the time. Federer on the other hand has a child on the way, I would venture to say it has already affected his mental focus this season and
more than likely will not get much better especially when Mirka is not traveling with him, something he has never faced in his career, Mirka was always there and her focus was always for Roger, big change is on the way and has already started.

icedevil0289
04-05-2009, 02:59 PM
I think fed can do it at wimbledon. Or atleast I hope so. It seems that he's working towards getting back wimbledon and there are not that many people who can threaten him or rafa, so I would say both would reach the final. Last year the final was close and if he can get together mentally, I would give him a shot there.

mrmo1115
04-05-2009, 03:16 PM
It won't happen. He won't win the French, which leaves 2 GS left , with 0 this year. I just don't think he will win Wimby and USO back to back, but maybe 1 of the 2 if he plays out of his mind. Everyone is catching up and now there are a total of 3 players that can beat Fed. Roddick still hasn't figured Fed out and I suspect he won't in the near future.

Nadal_Freak
04-05-2009, 03:18 PM
Fed will never win another slam.

SaintClaires
04-05-2009, 03:18 PM
^^^^^^


I couldn't have said it better myself.

vtmike
04-05-2009, 03:19 PM
Fed will never win another slam.

I am going to save this comment for later use :mrgreen: ;)

Mungo73
04-05-2009, 03:34 PM
Federer will win 3 slams this year.

estoril, halle and basel are not slams dude

SaintClaires
04-05-2009, 03:35 PM
estoril, halle and basel are not slams dude


I'm glad we cleared up that bit of confusion! :):)

egn
04-05-2009, 03:39 PM
Agree with OP..

I think US remains his best for slams he seems to bring it there the best over the past few years at least in the later stages..

tudwell
04-05-2009, 03:41 PM
estoril, halle and basel are not slams dude

Nadal will be too exhausted at the remaining slams to challenge Federer, so as long as he is able to defeat Djokovic, he'll be fine. And we've seen what Federer does to Murray at slams, provided Murray can make it past the round of 16.

Mungo73
04-05-2009, 03:49 PM
Nadal will be too exhausted at the remaining slams to challenge Federer, so as long as he is able to defeat Djokovic, he'll be fine. And we've seen what Federer does to Murray at slams, provided Murray can make it past the round of 16.

nah Fed aint going anywhere with his back. he cant handle five sets against nadal, murray and joker. he is carrying back injury since october, 6 months man!!! his back will be worse when wimbledon and us open come. he should have managed his schedule better.

tudwell
04-05-2009, 03:53 PM
nah Fed aint going anywhere with his back. he cant handle five sets against nadal, murray and joker. he is carrying back injury since october, 6 months man!!! his back will be worse when wimbledon and us open come. he should have managed his schedule better.

Federer won his last 3/5 sets encounters with Murray and Djokovic. And he's beaten Nadal in five-setters before, so he definitely has what it takes. His back will not be a problem. He missed one tournament because of his back. Nadal missed three at the end of last year because of his knees. Nor do I see precautionary tape on Fed's back. :shock:

GameSampras
04-05-2009, 03:53 PM
nah Fed aint going anywhere with his back. he cant handle five sets against nadal, murray and joker. he is carrying back injury since october, 6 months man!!! his back will be worse when wimbledon and us open come. he should have managed his schedule better.

Thats true. Fed played a crapload of tennis these past few years and never missed a big tourney. Even after winning 3 slams in 07 he played a series of exos with Pete. Sooner or later it catches up with u. It may have caught up with Fed

Mungo73
04-05-2009, 03:59 PM
Federer won his last 3/5 sets encounters with Murray and Djokovic. And he's beaten Nadal in five-setters before, so he definitely has what it takes. His back will not be a problem. He missed one tournament because of his back. Nadal missed three at the end of last year because of his knees. Nor do I see precautionary tape on Fed's back. :shock:

haha that was in Fed prime and Nadal and Murray had not peaked. Nadal and Murray always beat Fed in final sets last year and this year, theyre fitter and mentally stronger than Fed. Nadal had knee injury in November and won the AO in January, go figure :lol: Fed withdrew from davis Cup last month cos he was INJURED on his back and he has won ZERO titles since his back injury. yeah Fed cant tape his back, he needs to stop playing and manage his schedule better.

tudwell
04-05-2009, 03:59 PM
Thats true. Fed played a crapload of tennis these past few years and never missed a big tourney. Even after winning 3 slams in 07 he played a series of exos with Pete. Sooner or later it catches up with u. It may have caught up with Fed

Federer's fine. The fact that he can still play exos with Sampras after winning 3 slams is a testament to his fitness and athleticism. Nadal won 2 slams last year and couldn't even finish the season. I'd be more worried about him.

tudwell
04-05-2009, 04:06 PM
haha that was in Fed prime and Nadal and Murray had not peaked.
Federer beat Murray the only time Murray managed to make a grand slam final. Since then Murray has not done well in big tournaments. Lost in the semis of the TMC and the 4th round of the Australian Open. Sounds like he had "peaked" to me (since he's already declining).

Nadal and Murray always beat Fed in final sets last year and this year, theyre fitter and mentally stronger than Fed. Nadal had knee injury in November and won the AO in January, go figure :lol: Fed withdrew from davis Cup last month cos he was INJURED on his back and he has won ZERO titles since his back injury. yeah Fed cant tape his back, he needs to stop playing and manage his schedule better.

I sure don't remember Murray beating Federer in the final set of their U.S. Open encounter. In fact, he barely avoided a bagel. :oops:

Josherer
04-05-2009, 04:17 PM
He needs one asap...

It's never going to happen but: Imagine if he won the FO beating Nadal in the final... He would be the Ultimate GOAT..

Pitty it won't happen :( I would love to see him do that

tudwell
04-05-2009, 04:20 PM
He needs one asap...

It's never going to happen but: Imagine if he won the FO beating Nadal in the final... He would be the Ultimate GOAT..

Pitty it won't happen :( I would love to see him do that
That's if Nadal even makes the final.

icedevil0289
04-05-2009, 04:22 PM
That's if Nadal even makes the final.

we're talking about the same guy who pretty much destroyed his competition on the way to the final last year, has won 81 matches on clay, 4 straight french opens, and has never been taken to 5 sets. Yeah, I think he's going to make the final.

tudwell
04-05-2009, 04:31 PM
we're talking about the same guy who pretty much destroyed his competition on the way to the final last year, has won 81 matches on clay, 4 straight french opens, and has never been taken to 5 sets. Yeah, I think he's going to make the final.
Anything is possible. But with Nadal's recent knee problems and the fact that he's never played so much so early in the year, I think he won't physically have what it takes to win 2 weeks of 3/5 set matches.

icedevil0289
04-05-2009, 04:33 PM
Anything is possible. But with Nadal's recent knee problems and the fact that he's never played so much so early in the year, I think he won't physically have what it takes to win 2 weeks of 3/5 set matches.

I don't think nadal will have any knee problems on clay. It suits his game very well. Hardcourts give him more problems.

federerdomination
04-05-2009, 04:34 PM
estoril, halle and basel are not slams dude

Agreed but French Open, Wimbledon, and USO all are

tudwell
04-05-2009, 04:36 PM
I don't think nadal will have any knee problems on clay. It suits his game very well. Hardcourts give him more problems.

The surface is softer, but he does more running and sliding around on clay than on hardcourt. Plus, it's a cumulative process. It's not one match or one tournament that'll make his knees bad. It's a combination of all of his recent tournaments.

Blinkism
04-05-2009, 04:55 PM
Anything is possible. But with Nadal's recent knee problems and the fact that he's never played so much so early in the year, I think he won't physically have what it takes to win 2 weeks of 3/5 set matches.

Actually he played the same amount of matches in 2008 by April 05, and he went on to completely dominate the FO.

What recent knee problems? The ones that stopped him from destroying Murray in the IW final?

This year he's played 27 matches. Last year, at this point, he had played 27 matches. You're forgetting that he skipped Dubai this year, whereas he played it last year.

Source: ATP WEBSITE (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=2008&player=N409&selTournament=0&prevtrnnum=0)

tudwell
04-05-2009, 05:38 PM
Actually he played the same amount of matches in 2008 by April 05, and he went on to completely dominate the FO.

What recent knee problems? The ones that stopped him from destroying Murray in the IW final?

This year he's played 27 matches. Last year, at this point, he had played 27 matches. You're forgetting that he skipped Dubai this year, whereas he played it last year.

Source: ATP WEBSITE (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=2008&player=N409&selTournament=0&prevtrnnum=0)
I see. Sorry for the misinformation. But last year he wasn't coming off of a knee injury that caused him to miss the year end Masters and the Davis Cup final (the two biggest events outside of grand slams) and also caused him to retire in Paris. So I think he would be wise to tone it down a bit.

rubberduckies
04-05-2009, 06:22 PM
Federer beat Murray the only time Murray managed to make a grand slam final. Since then Murray has not done well in big tournaments. Lost in the semis of the TMC and the 4th round of the Australian Open. Sounds like he had "peaked" to me (since he's already declining).



I sure don't remember Murray beating Federer in the final set of their U.S. Open encounter. In fact, he barely avoided a bagel. :oops:

You make a good point there.
If push comes to shove, the organizers could definitely feed Federer another slam.
They succeeded in Wimby 2007 and almost succeeded in the Aussie this year.

AprilFool
04-05-2009, 07:27 PM
Since before the AO I have felt that Federer would tie Sampras at Wimbledon and go on to break the record at the US Open.
Sampras half joked about not wanting to fly to Australia for the occasion. I am sure he'd love to go to England again and then on to New York.
If Fed wins in England he will regain his aura and the media machine will be adding to the momentum. The baby will also contribute to the inertia.

If this does indeed happen I believe he'll play at his leisure and possibly only play slams, if he does not retire outright.

Besides, he and Nadal made a deal in Australia..:twisted:

gj011
04-05-2009, 07:40 PM
Fed might win one or two more slams in his career, if he wakes up and stop being so stubborn and arrogant, but he will not win any more slams this year.

SaintClaires
04-05-2009, 07:42 PM
If Feddy Teddy doesn't win a slam this year, he will definitely not win one in the years to come.

tudwell
04-05-2009, 09:10 PM
If Feddy Teddy doesn't win a slam this year, he will definitely not win one in the years to come.
Is there any particular reason you make this outlandish claim?

thejoe
04-06-2009, 02:36 PM
You make a good point there.
If push comes to shove, the organizers could definitely feed Federer another slam.
They succeeded in Wimby 2007 and almost succeeded in the Aussie this year.

Watch the match again. It might knock some sense into you.

sureshs
04-06-2009, 02:42 PM
He should try for Wimbledon. Big monkey off his back (14th Slam) and he can play without the pressure from then on, or even retire and hope for Nadal to get injured and not equal his record.

veroniquem
04-06-2009, 02:43 PM
Nadal will be too exhausted at the remaining slams to challenge Federer, so as long as he is able to defeat Djokovic, he'll be fine. And we've seen what Federer does to Murray at slams, provided Murray can make it past the round of 16.
You think that the one mach last year (which happened to also be Murray's first slam final) proves that Murray will never beat Fed in a slam? I think you're in for a rude awakening soon.

P_Agony
04-06-2009, 02:45 PM
Yes, I agree with the OP. I don't think Federer can win the FO this year. I think he had his chances in 2006-2007 and blew them. Instead I think Wimbeldon and especially the US Open should be his main priority. I say forget about #1, let Nadal have it, and just have consistent enough results to keep #2. When Wimbeldon comes, turn slam-Fed on and go for it.

Richie Rich
04-06-2009, 02:48 PM
you could see this happening starting last year.

IMO, fed needed to win AO this year to have a better than 50/50 chance of overtaking pete. french is not likely. wimbledon is not guaranteed. niether is us open the way murray and others have been playing. even roddick seems to be doing better, although still loosing.

P_Agony
04-06-2009, 02:53 PM
you could see this happening starting last year.

IMO, fed needed to win AO this year to have a better than 50/50 chance of overtaking pete. french is not likely. wimbledon is not guaranteed. niether is us open the way murray and others have been playing. even roddick seems to be doing better, although still loosing.

I think the US Open is his best shot. He usually finds his game there, and plays very well. I guess the courts suit him. Winning the US Open as the 14th slam would be sweet. Of course, him winning the USO as his 15th slam would be even sweeter.

icedevil0289
04-06-2009, 04:19 PM
You think that the one mach last year (which happened to also be Murray's first slam final) proves that Murray will never beat Fed in a slam? I think you're in for a rude awakening soon.

oh wow, we actually agree on something. lol

veroniquem
04-06-2009, 04:28 PM
oh wow, we actually agree on something. lol
I agree on your choice of signature, that quote is great :)

tudwell
04-06-2009, 04:31 PM
You think that the one mach last year (which happened to also be Murray's first slam final) proves that Murray will never beat Fed in a slam? I think you're in for a rude awakening soon.

It was also his first slam semi, but that didn't stop him from beating up on Nadal.

And I certainly don't think Murray will never beat Federer in a slam, but I'm confident that the next time they meet, Federer will take it.

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 04:33 PM
It was also his first slam semi, but that didn't stop him from beating up on Nadal.

And I certainly don't think Murray will never beat Federer in a slam, but I'm confident that the next time they meet, Federer will take it.


Murray beat Nadal because Nadal had only one leg left with which to play the match. And he still got a set off Murray. Everyone knows that.

Safinator_1
04-06-2009, 04:34 PM
If Fed can't seem to bring USO or wimb home this year, will be very hard to bring it next year, as the way it looks now either strike now or never your not getting any younger fed

tudwell
04-06-2009, 04:35 PM
Murray beat Nadal because Nadal had only one leg left with which to play the match. And he still got a set off Murray.

I didn't say anything to the contrary. But obviously nerves were not a factor in his match with Nadal, so why would they be a factor in his match with Federer the very next day?

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 04:38 PM
I didn't say anything to the contrary. But obviously nerves were not a factor in his match with Nadal, so why would they be a factor in his match with Federer the very next day?


Sorry, I interpreted your comment the wrong way.


When I watched the final, the commentators kept talking about how Murray has never played such a big match before.....this is his first grand slam final......he's so nervous.....Federer is much more experienced......Murray is not responding well to the pressure....all that stuff.

I agree. Murray needs some time to get accustomed to those big matches.

icedevil0289
04-06-2009, 04:39 PM
I agree on your choice of signature, that quote is great :)

thanks. Do you like the avatar as well? Well you can't really see rafa that well. When I first saw the picture I thought fed had won the match, but it was rafa instead. Yet he looks somewhat sad.

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 04:40 PM
thanks. Do you like the avatar as well? Well you can't really see rafa that well. When I first saw the picture I thought fed had won the match, but it was rafa instead. Yet he looks somewhat sad.


Was that the 2005 French Open semifinal?

kafelnikov
04-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Wasn't Sampras's 14th something of a longshot? Two years after his last one.. I'm sure Fed can pull the same thing off.

icedevil0289
04-06-2009, 04:41 PM
Was that the 2005 French Open semifinal?

Honestly I'm not sure.

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 04:42 PM
Wasn't Sampras's 14th something of a longshot? Two years after his last one.. I'm sure Fed can pull the same thing off.

Not in the Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal era.

icedevil0289
04-06-2009, 04:43 PM
Not in the Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal era.

I like your avatar. :)

GameSampras
04-06-2009, 04:43 PM
Not in the Murray, Djokovic, and Nadal era.

I think Sampras already broke the slam record before he went on his 2 year slam drought. Of course Pete still had enough game and his serve-attack was big enough to where anything could happen at the slams. He came close a few times during that drought. Roger doesnt have the luxury of Sampras' serve and volley game. He has to win from the baseline

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 04:45 PM
I like your avatar. :)

Thanks! Today, I have stolen about 6 or 7 of them. I hope I don't get banned :)

P_Agony
04-06-2009, 04:58 PM
Murray beat Nadal because Nadal had only one leg left with which to play the match. And he still got a set off Murray. Everyone knows that.

Nadal lost because Murray was the better player that day. Stop making excuses.

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 05:00 PM
Nadal lost because Murray was the better player that day. Stop making excuses.

Sorry.


10 char.

veroniquem
04-06-2009, 05:02 PM
thanks. Do you like the avatar as well? Well you can't really see rafa that well. When I first saw the picture I thought fed had won the match, but it was rafa instead. Yet he looks somewhat sad.
Yes, I like the picture, it's very nice. Was it taken at RG?

veroniquem
04-06-2009, 05:05 PM
I didn't say anything to the contrary. But obviously nerves were not a factor in his match with Nadal, so why would they be a factor in his match with Federer the very next day?
If I have to explain to you that a lot of players have nerves in their first big final (not the other rounds), then we're in trouble.

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 05:05 PM
Yes, I like the picture, it's very nice. Was it taken at RG?



http://vamosbrigade.smugmug.com/photos/428117908_a9kT7-M.jpg




Yes!

icedevil0289
04-06-2009, 05:09 PM
Yes, I like the picture, it's very nice. Was it taken at RG?

saint claires already answered the question, but yes.

veroniquem
04-06-2009, 05:09 PM
http://vamosbrigade.smugmug.com/photos/428117908_a9kT7-M.jpg




Yes!
Yes it's funny because Roger looks happier than Rafa on the picture! It would be easy to believe he won the match!

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 05:11 PM
Yes it's funny because Roger looks happier than Rafa on the picture! It would be easy to believe he won the match!


I always thought the same thing.


It's strange that Roger used to look so happy.....but now......

icedevil0289
04-06-2009, 05:12 PM
Yes it's funny because Roger looks happier than Rafa on the picture! It would be easy to believe he won the match!

He probably thought it was just one match and he would be able to get rafa next time. Poor guy.

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 05:18 PM
In the picture it looks like Federer is saying "Congratulations, Rafael. Great match!" and Nadal says "Oh, it's no big deal. That was easy for me."

edberg505
04-06-2009, 05:26 PM
In the picture it looks like Federer is saying "Congratulations, Rafael. Great match!" and Nadal says "Oh, it's no big deal. That was easy for me."

LOL, now that was funny.

tennisdad65
04-06-2009, 05:30 PM
2 slams? he is gonna win 5 of the next 7 slams and then retire :)
nadal of course wins the next 10 French opens :)

AprilFool
04-06-2009, 05:38 PM
http://vamosbrigade.smugmug.com/photos/428117908_a9kT7-M.jpg
"Yeah, right there Rog, no?"

AprilFool
04-06-2009, 05:40 PM
Couldn't resist.

SaintClaires
04-06-2009, 05:42 PM
"No, Roger, I can make it back to my seat, no?"

AprilFool
04-06-2009, 05:53 PM
"No, Roger, I can make it back to my seat, no?"
:)

"Nice bandana. Now give it back."

mental midget
04-06-2009, 06:00 PM
surprised everyone thinks having a baby is going to derail his career.

ask jack nicklaus how fatherhood distracted him and doused his competitive fire.

i think it's going to be a very good thing for roger. the guy needs a little perspective. my guess is that post fatherhood, you're going to see a more relaxed federer out there, with a whole new source of motivation.

by the way, has he said what's wrong with his back? maybe it's because i'm looking for it now, but he doesn't seem to get down to shots, especially the forehand approaches, the way he maybe should. what's the issue there?