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TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 05:05 AM
I strongly believe that the Russian's rise to the top isn't gonna last..! It's more or less upto the Williamses - either Venus or Serena to bring the best form to the fore and complete the formality.......!

Prithvi
04-09-2009, 05:10 AM
Excerpt from tennisearth.com -
''Last week's Sony Ericsson Open saw Serena Williams manage to hold on to the top spot by reaching the final. However, the injury took it's toll and according to the latest reports from Marbella, Spain, the 10 time major champion has suffered a first round exit, eventually losing the valuable ranking points and thereby allowing Safina to usurp the No.1 position.''

i totally agree man...! It was the untimely injury that made Serena lost the Miami final and then lose the top ranking as well..Since the U.S. Open, She has been in unbelievable form...and she truly deserves to be the top most player in rankings

TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 05:16 AM
Yes, and she is the one of the three players who reached the top spot with out a GS title..
Our dear Ms. Jankovic and Clijsters were the other two....!:):):)

Lionheart392
04-09-2009, 05:31 AM
Yes, and she is the one of the three players who reached the top spot with out a GS title..
Our dear Ms. Jankovic and Clijsters were the other two....!:):):)

Mauresmo did too.

gj011
04-09-2009, 05:34 AM
Yes, and she is the one of the three players who reached the top spot with out a GS title..
Our dear Ms. Jankovic and Clijsters were the other two....!:):):)

And Mauresmo.

Edit: Sorry, didn't see lionheart's comment :)

reytol
04-09-2009, 05:36 AM
Clijster won 2005 US Open and Mauresmo won an Australian Open and a Wimbledon crown.

jelle v
04-09-2009, 05:37 AM
I like Safina, don't get me wrong, but I find it really sad that Safina can get to the #1 ranking.. I'd rather see Dementieva as #1.

Serena is the only one who deserves #1 though imo..

gj011
04-09-2009, 05:41 AM
Excerpt from tennisearth.com -
''Last week's Sony Ericsson Open saw Serena Williams manage to hold on to the top spot by reaching the final. However, the injury took it's toll and according to the latest reports from Marbella, Spain, the 10 time major champion has suffered a first round exit, eventually losing the valuable ranking points and thereby allowing Safina to usurp the No.1 position.''

i totally agree man...! It was the untimely injury that made Serena lost the Miami final and then lose the top ranking as well..Since the U.S. Open, She has been in unbelievable form...and she truly deserves to be the top most player in rankings

Again bashing as expected. Serena was not in any "unbelivable" form since USO. She failed miserably in TMC and she had several pathetic losses in September, October and November. Also if Safina's and Jankovic's #1 are not "deserved" than Serena's AO title is even more "undeserved". She didn't play good at all there and won it only because she was lucky, organizers helped her with roof closing, Azarenka was sick after schooling her in the first set and Kuznetsova and Dementieva choked.
Also she was recently demolished by Azarenka in Miami and lost to #95 ranked player in Spain. Performance not worthy of #1 player.

gj011
04-09-2009, 05:42 AM
Clijster won 2005 US Open and Mauresmo won an Australian Open and a Wimbledon crown.

Those both are 2 years after they were ranked #1 first time. So Safina and Jankovic have still a lot of time to win GS titles :)

TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 05:45 AM
I just hope that Safina does not face the similar criticism that Jankovic had to....just becoz of her inability so far, to win a G.S. After all, she is not a self proclaimed No.1 .....right....?

But on the other hand, staying on top is a real challenge for anyone....whether sports or otherwise,,,and i doubt Safina's abilities on that front.....

Serena is gonna hit back with double the force, and then dethroning Safina won't be too tough a task for her.

gj011
04-09-2009, 05:46 AM
I like Safina, don't get me wrong, but I find it really sad that Safina can get to the #1 ranking.. I'd rather see Dementieva as #1.

Serena is the only one who deserves #1 though imo..

Again, there is no such thing as "deserving" #1. Who gets the most points in last 52 weeks is the #1. It is as simple as that. Serena should play on more than 13 tournaments per year and perform better on clay and smaller tournaments and she would be #1. But she was not able to do that, so it is not other's players or ranking system fault.

gj011
04-09-2009, 05:49 AM
I just hope that Safina does not face the similar criticism that Jankovic had to....just becoz of her inability so far, to win a G.S. After all, she is not a self proclaimed No.1 .....right....?

But on the other hand, staying on top is a real challenge for anyone....whether sports or otherwise,,,and i doubt Safina's abilities on that front.....

Serena is gonna hit back with double the force, and then dethroning Safina won't be too tough a task for her.

Just tell me why is it OK to bash Jankovic and not Safina? :shock: Jankovic was not self proclaimed too?
If anything Jankovic won three tournaments in a row when she got to #1 in October.

TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 05:53 AM
Again bashing as expected. Serena was not in any "unbelivable" form since USO. She failed miserably in TMC and she had several pathetic losses in September, October and November. Also if Safina's and Jankovic's #1 are not "deserved" than Serena's AO title is even more "undeserved". She didn't play good at all there and won it only because she was lucky, organizers helped her with roof closing, Azarenka was sick after schooling her in the first set and Kuznetsova and Dementieva choked.
Also she was recently demolished by Azarenka in Miami and lost to #95 ranked player in Spain. Performance not worthy of #1 player.

I don't agree with you.....! Serena did have a good end to the 2008 season. And as far as winning the Australian Open with a bad form is concerned, helloooooo....! It's a grand slam, no one can win it without playing well. It doesnt matter who choked and who didn't. no covered roof can help any player, and if it does, doesn't it help the opponent at the same time.

Reminder : the AO final score was 6-0, 6-3....If that's not a good display of tennis,, then i dont know wat is.......!

Ocean Drive
04-09-2009, 05:55 AM
Excerpt from tennisearth.com -
''Last week's Sony Ericsson Open saw Serena Williams manage to hold on to the top spot by reaching the final. However, the injury took it's toll and according to the latest reports from Marbella, Spain, the 10 time major champion has suffered a first round exit, eventually losing the valuable ranking points and thereby allowing Safina to usurp the No.1 position.''

i totally agree man...! It was the untimely injury that made Serena lost the Miami final and then lose the top ranking as well..Since the U.S. Open, She has been in unbelievable form...and she truly deserves to be the top most player in rankings

You and the thread starter are the same person, nice way to make it obvious. :-?

gj011
04-09-2009, 05:57 AM
I don't agree with you.....! Serena did have a good end to the 2008 season. And as far as winning the Australian Open with a bad form is concerned, helloooooo....! It's a grand slam, no one can win it without playing well. It doesnt matter who choked and who didn't. no covered roof can help any player, and if it does, doesn't it help the opponent at the same time.

Reminder : the AO final score was 6-0, 6-3....If that's not a good display of tennis,, then i dont know wat is.......!

What good end of 2008, when Jankovic was winning all the tournaments while Serena had several early exits and failed to win a single match on TMC?

Did you watch Serena's matches against Azarenka and Kuznetsova on AO?
Azarenka demolised Serena in the first set in AO in similar fashion as in Miami final but was sick and could not finish the match. Kuznetsova was dominating Serena and won the first set with the roof open, when organizers decided to close the roof, obviously to help Serena.

Also still waiting for an answer why is it OK to bash Jankovic and not Safina?

TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 06:03 AM
Did you watch her matches against Azarenka and Kuznetsova on AO?
Azarenka demolised Serena in the first set in AO in similar fashion as in Miami final but was sick and could not finish the match.

Kuznetsova was dominating Serena and won the first set with the roof open, when organizers decided to close the roof, obviously to help Serena.

Also still waiting for an answer why is it OK to bash Jankovic and not Safina?

serena is famous for come-from-behind victories, this is what she is good at....She has had to face many such matches in her whole career to have the stellar record that she possesses today.

just becoz Azarenka won the first set did not mean, she was gonna win the match too......It's not Serena's fault that she retired midway.

And about Kuznetsova, again, she did not come into the match wearing a heat resistant jacket that she did not have problems with the extreme heat. The roof brought comfort to both the players and Serena came out strong to win the match.

TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 06:07 AM
What good end of 2008, when Jankovic was winning all the tournaments while Serena had several early exits and failed to win a single match on TMC?

Did you watch Serena's matches against Azarenka and Kuznetsova on AO?
Azarenka demolised Serena in the first set in AO in similar fashion as in Miami final but was sick and could not finish the match. Kuznetsova was dominating Serena and won the first set with the roof open, when organizers decided to close the roof, obviously to help Serena.

Also still waiting for an answer why is it OK to bash Jankovic and not Safina?



i am not here to bash Jankovic or Serena for not winning the Grand Slam finals. As i said earlier, it's not their fault that they became no. 1 without a GS title. All i am saying is that currently Serena Williams deserves to be the number one player in the world. Serena has beaten Jankovic in US Open final and Safina in AO final and so she deserves to be called the true no.1 of the women's tennis right now

TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 06:07 AM
i am not here to bash Jankovic or Serena for not winning the Grand Slam finals. As i said earlier, it's not their fault that they became no. 1 without a GS title. All i am saying is that currently Serena Williams deserves to be the number one player in the world. Serena has beaten Jankovic in US Open final and Safina in AO final and so she deserves to be called the true no.1 of the women's tennis right now


Correction - jankovic ans ''Safina''

jelle v
04-09-2009, 06:15 AM
Again, there is no such thing as "deserving" #1. Who gets the most points in last 52 weeks is the #1. It is as simple as that. Serena should play on more than 13 tournaments per year and perform better on clay and smaller tournaments and she would be #1. But she was not able to do that, so it is not other's players or ranking system fault.

Wrong.. .

THUNDERVOLLEY
04-09-2009, 06:17 AM
So Safina and Jankovic have still a lot of time to win GS titles :)

Amusing. How is this going to happen? Their skills--which have prevented slam wins to this date--are not showing some mythical signs of great improvement, so when is your idea going to become reality?

gj011
04-09-2009, 06:20 AM
Amusing. How is this going to happen? Their skills--which have prevented slam wins to this date--are not showing some mythical signs of great improvement, so when is your idea going to become reality?

How were Mauresmo and Clijsters able to do it?

They made it to the #1 so that means they have enough skill to win a GS. If they are really going to do it remains to be seen, but history tells us that they probably will.

THUNDERVOLLEY
04-09-2009, 06:24 AM
Azarenka demolised Serena in the first set in AO

woulda, coulda, shoulda....as the expression goes. Azarenka did not do her job in that match. End of story.


Kuznetsova was dominating Serena and won the first set with the roof open, when organizers decided to close the roof, obviously to help Serena.

Here we go again with hollow conspiracy theories; instead of accepting the fact the skill-challenged Kuznetsova was ultimately no match for Serena, you toss in this "obviously to help Serena" nonsense.

PROVE the organizers commited the act for your reason.

gj011
04-09-2009, 06:28 AM
woulda, coulda, shoulda....as the expression goes. Azarenka did not do her job in that match. End of story.




Here we go again with hollow conspiracy theories; instead of accepting the fact the skill-challenged Kuznetsova was ultimately no match for Serena, you toss in this "obviously to help Serena" nonsense.

PROVE the organizers commited the act for your reason.

Well, Serena didn't do her job in Miami final and that is why she is not #1 any more. End of story.

Of course I can't prove it, but organizers didn't close the roof a day before, showing clear double standards. It was also clear Serena would not win that match if roof remained open.

TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 06:28 AM
What safina did during the last season was commendable. runner up finish in roland garros, wins in berlin, los angeles, tokyo and montreal brought her so close to the no. 1 rankings last year... She deserved to win the most improved player of the year award.....

However, even after dethroning Serena for the no. spot this week, Safina will not be considered a contendor for the european claycourt season tournaments......Williamses will still lead the race for contendorship to those titles...and if poor performance on clay is to be considered, then Azarenka's, Zvonareva's and Ivanovic's of the game have an equal chance

THUNDERVOLLEY
04-09-2009, 06:29 AM
How were Mauresmo and Clijsters able to do it?

They made it to the #1 so that means they have enough skill to win a GS. If they are really going to do it remains to be seen, but history tells us that they probably will.


Mauresmo is several levels above Jankovic and Safina in the talent department. That much is apparent, even from a casual observation.

Though Clijsters' abilities never impressed me, she too has skills above and beyond the one-dimensional Jankovic and Safina.

That is the difference. Safina and Jankovic are not displaying skills or *cough* talent which improve over time, hence their inability to win slams after so much hype surrounding their matches.

TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 06:33 AM
Well, Serena didn't do her job in Miami final and that is why she is not #1 any more.

Of course I can't prove it, but organizers didn't close the roof a day before, showing clear double standards. It was also clear Serena would not win that match if roof remained open.

Even the Miami triumph would not have helped Serena regain the top rankings. You should first get your facts right....! because she lost so many points by losing the first round in marbella, safina rose to the top spot. It's not just about losing the Miami final. Points she gained in Miami were mostly gone in vain becoz she did not perform well in the next tournament, becoz she is supposed to defend her earned points in Miami and she could not

gj011
04-09-2009, 06:43 AM
Even the Miami triumph would not have helped Serena regain the top rankings. You should first get your facts right....! because she lost so many points by losing the first round in marbella, safina rose to the top spot. It's not just about losing the Miami final. Points she gained in Miami were mostly gone in vain becoz she did not perform well in the next tournament, becoz she is supposed to defend her earned points in Miami and she could not

What are talking about? She didn't play in Marbella last year so no point to defend there and also she didn't do her job there to so I don't see your points. But you are partly right, another reason is that she needs to defend her points from Charleston next week.

Anyway if she was able to do better in RG, TMC, play more than 13 tournaments last year and not make so many early exits in smaller tournaments, I.E. "do her job" she would be #1.

TennisEarth
04-09-2009, 06:48 AM
What are talking about? She didn't play in Marbella last year so no point to defend there and also she didn't do her job there to so I don't see your points. But you are partly right, another reason is that she needs to defend her points from Charleston next week.

Anyway if she was able to do better in RG, TMC, play more than 13 tournaments last year and not make so many early exits in smaller tournaments, I.E. "do her job" she would be #1.

Marbella is an inaugural event..
and by defending , i meant that like she paid the price of not playing in Indian wells, she suffered the same with a first round exit in Marbella. Added points from marbella would have helped her maintain the top ranking...and since she lost early, she lost those valuable points also that she had won in Miami

Lionheart392
04-09-2009, 06:58 AM
What safina did during the last season was commendable. runner up finish in roland garros, wins in berlin, los angeles, tokyo and montreal brought her so close to the no. 1 rankings last year... She deserved to win the most improved player of the year award.....

However, even after dethroning Serena for the no. spot this week, Safina will not be considered a contendor for the european claycourt season tournaments......Williamses will still lead the race for contendorship to those titles...and if poor performance on clay is to be considered, then Azarenka's, Zvonareva's and Ivanovic's of the game have an equal chance

You think Venus and Serena are the top contenders during the clay season? Did you not see RG last year when they both got sent packing in the 3rd round?

PED
04-09-2009, 07:05 AM
Azarenka's, Zvonareva's and Ivanovic's of the game have an equal chance

I'm going down to the Family Circle next week and am really looking forward to seeing Azarenka and Zvonareva play on the green clay. I'm disappointed that Safina isn't coming back but the field overall is solid.

gj011
04-09-2009, 07:09 AM
I'm going down to the Family Circle next week and am really looking forward to seeing Azarenka and Zvonareva play on the green clay. I'm disappointed that Safina isn't coming back but the field overall is solid.

Don't want to disappoint you but I think Azarenka withdrew from Charleston.

http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/tennis/story/989334.html

PED
04-09-2009, 07:21 AM
Don't want to disappoint you but I think Azarenka withdrew from Charleston.


Thanks for the heads up. I'd rather find out now as opposed to next week. :)

bluetrain4
04-09-2009, 07:21 AM
Again, there is no such thing as "deserving" #1. Who gets the most points in last 52 weeks is the #1. It is as simple as that. Serena should play on more than 13 tournaments per year and perform better on clay and smaller tournaments and she would be #1. But she was not able to do that, so it is not other's players or ranking system fault.


I wholly agree with this. When we get these non-Slam No. 1s, a lot of people seem to get upset with the player. But, what did they do? All they did was go out and play and let computer sort things out. Safina had no evil plans to take over the No. 1 spot without being a Slam champion. I'm positive she would prefer to be a Slam champion.

No doubt, Safina, at least right now, is a relatively weak No. 1. What is the consequence of this? Not much. Simply that fans and commentators will put less stock in the ranking. For example, if she gets "upset" in the QFs of a tourney, no one will really be that shocked, even though she is No. 1.

I wanted to believe that after the AO, Serena would put behind the "on again, off again" behavior and make a broader committment to tennis for the next couple of years. Hah! But make no mistake, Miami loss and follow-up loss to the 95th ranked player in the world notwithstanding, I will (at least for the next couple of years) NEVER count Serena out in the big tournaments. I can't think of another player where the type of loss she had this week would be less of an issue. Unless she gets measurably fitter, I don't think she'll win the FO, but you just never know with Serena.

I'm no Safina fan. Really, I have no particular problem with her, but she's simply not one of my preferred players. But, I'm not going to jump all over her because she's a non-Slam No. 1.

grafselesfan
04-09-2009, 09:08 AM
Again bashing as expected. Serena was not in any "unbelivable" form since USO. She failed miserably in TMC and she had several pathetic losses in September, October and November. Also if Safina's and Jankovic's #1 are not "deserved" than Serena's AO title is even more "undeserved". She didn't play good at all there and won it only because she was lucky, organizers helped her with roof closing, Azarenka was sick after schooling her in the first set and Kuznetsova and Dementieva choked.
Also she was recently demolished by Azarenka in Miami and lost to #95 ranked player in Spain. Performance not worthy of #1 player.

Agree completely. Serena's Australian Open title was one of the luckiest slam wins I have seen in many years.

Although you have to admit Kuznetsova would have choked even if they didnt close the roof probably. That is what she is famous for.

CCNM
04-09-2009, 10:16 AM
world number one Dinara Safina...does sound kind of odd. but congratulations to her.