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deltox
04-12-2009, 09:36 AM
Nadal has in his quarter

Hewitt
Stepanek
Monfils
JMDP


In Federer's quarter

Andreev
Robredo
Wawrinka
Simon

In Murray's

Nalbandian
Cilic
Davydenko

and finally Djokovic's

Almagro
Ferrer
Gulbis
Verdasco

You see only 2 names in murrays quarter BUT he has 2 VERY tough ones in nalbandian and Davy

Nadal seems to have the bigger names in his quarter but in reality only Monfils and JMDP have an outside chance of competition

Djokovic has 2 contenders and 2 possibles really.

and Federer has someone who actually knows his game very well and may give him a hard time in Wawrinka but Andreev is the wild card of that quarter who has shown in previous meetings with a top shape federer that he can and has pushed the guy to his limits.


summary:

possibly the best matches in a single tourney this year.

tudwell
04-12-2009, 09:54 AM
Federer and Nadal both have pretty easy draw. Murray's draw sucks, and Djokovic's doesn't look too appetizing either (well, for the viewer these draws are awesome, but for the guys playing...yikes).

egn
04-12-2009, 10:05 AM
Murray's draw is only tough for Murray. None of the other top 3 I think would really have a problem with it. He gets either Berdych or Cilic third round..who neither are none for great clay courting and either Nalby or Davy for QFs? Nalby who is so inconsistent it is ridiculous and Davy who has been injuried all year. I mean am I the only one who sees this? Nadal has Del Potro and Monfils in his quarter. Monfils was in the SF at the French Open last year and Del Potro actually beat Nadal this year and so did Monfils. Did anyone take that into account two of the three people who beat Nadal are in his quarter. Djokovic has Almagro and either Ferrer or Verdasco. Almagro is a clay court specialist who keeps getting better each year on the surface, Ferrer whipped Djokovic earlier this year when they met on clay and Verdasco is playing his best tennis. Fed has Simon who always beats him, Andreev who can cause him troubles and Stan. I am sorry Murray has it by far the easiest two 28 year olds are his big threats, one who is coming off injury and the other who keeps getting bounced early in most events. Ask me either Nadal or DJokovic have it worse, Federer is 3rd and Murray comes last.

thejoe
04-12-2009, 10:08 AM
I think the top 4 could all have mild trouble with their draws. Nadal has 2 players that have beaten him this year. Federer has Andreev (Nadal wannabe) and Simon who could trouble him. Murray, an inexperienced clay courter at the highest level has clay court specialists in his quarter, and Djokovic IMO has the strongest clay court rivals.

deltox
04-12-2009, 10:10 AM
either way you stack this argument up every quarter will have at least one awesome match before the QF of course.

Serendipitous
04-12-2009, 10:11 AM
Gulbis lost to Kohlschreiber today, unfortunately. :cry:

egn
04-12-2009, 10:11 AM
either way you stack this argument up every quarter will have at least one awesome match before the QF of course.

Hewitt v Safin 1R =]

jms007
04-12-2009, 10:20 AM
Almagro, Verdasco and Ferrer on clay...I'd say Djokovic has the the toughest one.

gj011
04-12-2009, 10:27 AM
Yes Djokovic has the hardest draw. Only good thing is he is not in Nadal's half.

It is interesting that when Djokovic has the hardest draw it is called "fairest".

egn
04-12-2009, 10:30 AM
Yes Djokovic has the hardest draw. Only good thing is he is not in Nadal's half.

It is interesting that when Djokovic has the hardest draw it is called "fairest".

Second that and it also interesting that for some reason Murray's draw is called hardest but the reason is justified as Murray has limited clay court skill. I guess Novak's punishment for not being on Nadal's side was to put all the clay court specialist in his quarter. Only shocked Robredo did not wind up there to.

imalil2gangsta4u
04-12-2009, 10:33 AM
djokovic by far

deltox
04-12-2009, 10:36 AM
Second that and it also interesting that for some reason Murray's draw is called hardest but the reason is justified as Murray has limited clay court skill. I guess Novak's punishment for not being on Nadal's side was to put all the clay court specialist in his quarter. Only shocked Robredo did not wind up there to.

murrays is hardest cause of Davy imo. If Davy is up to par he has a 50% or better chance ot beat murray, no other quarter has any guy with a 50% chance to win.

deltox
04-12-2009, 10:37 AM
Yes Djokovic has the hardest draw. Only good thing is he is not in Nadal's half.

It is interesting that when Djokovic has the hardest draw it is called "fairest".

look at the whole picture, im not saying its absolutely equal across the board, but its the MOST fair distribution of players this year. do some comparisons on any masters or slam so far.

i can easily see an upset in any quarter.
monfils and jmdp can beat nadal
murray can loose easily to davy
fed vs simon.. shiver
and djokovic has 2 possibilities.

name another big tourney this year with that possibility exsisting in every quarter

P_Agony
04-12-2009, 10:39 AM
Nadal's draw looks easy to me. Monfils is the only one there who could actually make some noise, but I doubt it. Djokovic can be beaten by Ferrer or Verdsaco, if they're on. Federer has Simon, who is a danger for Fed, but not much else to worry about, and Murray has Nalby and Davy, two who can certainly surprise Murray. Overall, from the toughest to easiest:

1) Murray
2) Djokovic
3) Federer
4) Nadal

which pretty much fits their ranking, so it's fair I guess.

Forehand Forever
04-12-2009, 10:41 AM
I think any draw on clay looks easy for Nadal. He doesn't lose on clay.

Cesc Fabregas
04-12-2009, 10:41 AM
Murray has the hardest draw because he sucks on clay and can be taken out by just about any ATP top 50 player on clay.

rubberduckies
04-12-2009, 10:42 AM
Why did you include Melzer?

I'm sure everybody went into this thinkg, "gee, if I can just avoid Jurgen Melzer, I should be able to make some noise in this tourney."

egn
04-12-2009, 10:44 AM
Murray has the hardest draw because he sucks on clay and can be taken out by just about any ATP top 50 player on clay.

So which leads to the question is the draw hard itself..or does Murray simply just suck at the surface. If anyone else had that draw in the top 3 it would be considered a cakewalk. Nadal would steam roll through it since even though Nalby has the record against him he is no match for prime nadal on clay. Djokovic would probably breeze through it and same goes for Fed. Murray struggles no matter where he is put.

egn
04-12-2009, 10:45 AM
Why did you include Melzer?

I'm sure everybody went into this thinkg, "gee, if I can just avoid Jurgen Melzer, I should be able to make some noise in this tourney."

Lol especially the fact the he included Melzer over Robredo.


But actually I heard Nadal saying "oh man as long as it is Federer in the finals and not Melzer I should be a shoe in for the title."

deltox
04-12-2009, 10:47 AM
Lol especially the fact the he included Melzer over Robredo.


But actually I heard Nadal saying "oh man as long as it is Federer in the finals and not Melzer I should be a shoe in for the title."

lol whoops copy pasted wrong guy.. fixing it now

egn
04-12-2009, 10:51 AM
lol whoops copy pasted wrong guy.. fixing it now

lol yay..Nadal is now happy to know we here at Tennis Warehouse do not find Melzer to be a threat xD.

Cyan
04-12-2009, 11:09 AM
Federer got the easiest draw as usual.....

deltox
04-12-2009, 11:13 AM
Federer got the easiest draw as usual.....

its not a conspiracy against your favorite player ya know.


they are placed in the bracket by seeds and rankings

thejoe
04-12-2009, 11:15 AM
Federer got the easiest draw as usual.....

Nadal's on paper is easier than Federer's. He just happens to have lost to two of the players. Tell me that Stepanek and Hewitt are better clay-courters than anyone in Fed's draw. Ridiculous comment.

fps
04-12-2009, 11:36 AM
Federer got the easiest draw as usual.....

hahahahaha. these kinds of posts are absurd. it wouldn't be an easy draw if it was someone like ginepri trying to get through it!!!

Nadal_Freak
04-12-2009, 11:49 AM
Federer got the easiest draw as usual.....
I know. They always try to protect him. Just let Murray be the number 2 and get it over with.

maximo
04-12-2009, 11:54 AM
Murray got the hardest draw.

Nadal_Freak
04-12-2009, 12:02 PM
Murray has the toughest draw imo. I think it will stay that way for a long time to help Federer out.

Cesc Fabregas
04-12-2009, 12:04 PM
Murray has the toughest draw imo. I think it will stay that way for a long time to help Federer out.

His draw isn't that hard it looks hard because he isn't very good on clay.

thejoe
04-12-2009, 12:04 PM
Murray has the toughest draw imo. I think it will stay that way for a long time to help Federer out.

What was it you were saying about fanboyism clouding your judgement? :roll:

P_Agony
04-12-2009, 12:06 PM
I know. They always try to protect him. Just let Murray be the number 2 and get it over with.

Oh come on freak, you were the one saying how Andreev could easily elminate Fed, so all of a sudden he's an easy draw. Is Simon an easy draw too? You're making no sense with you hatred towards Fed. Nadal actually has an easier draw, yet you'll never admit that.

Also, for Murray to become #2, he needs to improve on slams. Beating Federer on those MS tournys is nice for him, but at the slams it's a whole different story, and until Murray even makes another final or actually wins one, he doesn't even deserve #3.

danb
04-12-2009, 12:09 PM
I voted Rafa but after more careful consideration I think Joker has a tougher draw.

Nadal_Freak
04-12-2009, 12:13 PM
Oh come on freak, you were the one saying how Andreev could easily elminate Fed, so all of a sudden he's an easy draw. Is Simon an easy draw too? You're making no sense with you hatred towards Fed. Nadal actually has an easier draw, yet you'll never admit that.

Also, for Murray to become #2, he needs to improve on slams. Beating Federer on those MS tournys is nice for him, but at the slams it's a whole different story, and until Murray even makes another final or actually wins one, he doesn't even deserve #3.
Murray has Rafa on his side. Thus, it is obvious he has the toughest draw.

maximo
04-12-2009, 12:16 PM
Oh come on freak, you were the one saying how Andreev could easily elminate Fed, so all of a sudden he's an easy draw. Is Simon an easy draw too? You're making no sense with you hatred towards Fed. Nadal actually has an easier draw, yet you'll never admit that.

Also, for Murray to become #2, he needs to improve on slams. Beating Federer on those MS tournys is nice for him, but at the slams it's a whole different story, and until Murray even makes another final or actually wins one, he doesn't even deserve #3.

That is ludacris, Murray is clearly better than Djokovic. Just because you know Murray will leap frog Federer to #2 in the very near future.

thejoe
04-12-2009, 12:21 PM
That is ludacris, Murray is clearly better than Djokovic. Just because you know Murray will leap frog Federer to #2 in the very near future.

Not until he proves it with results. Djoker has a slam, Murray does not. Djokovic has proved to be competitive on all surfaces. Murray has not.

deltox
04-12-2009, 12:25 PM
wow all this contraversy.


all i was saying is that is looked to be the best distribution of talent in a big tourney this year.


EVERYONE has at least someone in their quarter capable of an upset. sigh, everything turns into the top 4 against each other and who is best at this and that.

sigh................

maximo
04-12-2009, 12:26 PM
Not until he proves it with results. Djoker has a slam, Murray does not. Djokovic has proved to be competitive on all surfaces. Murray has not.

He has beaten Djokovic 3 times in a row, the last in Miami where he rinsed him in straight sets. What more do you want? :confused:

thejoe
04-12-2009, 12:27 PM
He has beaten Djokovic 3 times in a row, the last in Miami where he rinsed him in straight sets. What more do you want? :confused:

Him to win a slam and prove he can play on clay.

maximo
04-12-2009, 12:30 PM
Him to win a slam and prove he can play on clay.

Do you honestly think Djokovic can win a slam with the way he's playing atm?

Murray will surprise a few critics during this clay season

thejoe
04-12-2009, 12:32 PM
No, but does that change the fact that Murray hasn't won one? He'll probably still go deeper than Murray at RG and SW19.

Cyan
04-12-2009, 12:32 PM
Murray has the toughest draw imo. I think it will stay that way for a long time to help Federer out.

Have you noticed how they always toss Murray in Rafa's half? Expect that for the rest of the year... :rolleyes:

thejoe
04-12-2009, 12:33 PM
Have you noticed how they always toss Murray in Rafa's half? Expect that for the rest of the year... :rolleyes:

What in God's name are you complaining about? This is clay, Murray is a good draw to have in your half compared to Djoker or Federer.

Cyan
04-12-2009, 12:35 PM
I voted Rafa but after more careful consideration I think Joker has a tougher draw.

I think Rafa and Nole have the toughest draws. I find it peculiar that both Rafa and Nole have been getting the toughest draws this year.....

maximo
04-12-2009, 12:35 PM
What in God's name are you complaining about? This is clay, Murray is a good draw to have in your half compared to Djoker or Federer.

You'd be surprised.

thejoe
04-12-2009, 12:37 PM
I think Rafa and Nole have the toughest draws. I find it peculiar that both Rafa and Nole have been getting the toughest draws this year.....

Rafa has the easiest draw of the bunch. Hewitt and Stepanek? Tough :roll:

Cesc Fabregas
04-12-2009, 12:37 PM
You'd be surprised.

Why Murray wont even make it to face Nadal even if he did Nadal will spank him.

maximo
04-12-2009, 12:39 PM
Why Murray wont even make it to face Nadal even if he did Nadal will spank him.

I do realise Nadal would win easy, but i reackon he will get to the SF's where they will meet.

Cesc Fabregas
04-12-2009, 12:41 PM
This surface is horrible for Murray slow and high bouncing adding to the fact its clay which he doesn't move well on its the worst possible court for him.

Lotto
04-12-2009, 12:48 PM
As long as I win this draw challenge I dont care. I only got 103 in Indian Wells and 128 in Miami.

Have got 4/4 in Monte Carlo so far :)


Only the start though.

P_Agony
04-12-2009, 12:52 PM
Murray has Rafa on his side. Thus, it is obvious he has the toughest draw.

I agree Murray has the toughest draw. I wrote that in my first post of this thread. Nalbandian and Davydenko in his corner is a big test, and then of course Rafa. However, saying Federer has the easiest draw is simply not true. it's not the toughest, sure, and I agree Djokovic has a tougher draw as well, but Nadal doesn't. I think Nadal's and Federer's draw are about as equal as toughness goes.

Telepatic
04-12-2009, 01:30 PM
wtf Murrays draw is joke until semis..

JeMar
04-12-2009, 01:41 PM
I think Rafa and Nole have the toughest draws. I find it peculiar that both Rafa and Nole have been getting the toughest draws this year.....

Draws are done at a meeting that is attended by players, journalists, and other dignitaries. There is no conspiracy here.

Aside from having Murray, who is fairly unaccomplished on clay, on his half, why do you say that Nadal's draw is tough? From the looks of it, it's probably the weakest quarter.

P_Agony
04-12-2009, 01:58 PM
I think Rafa and Nole have the toughest draws. I find it peculiar that both Rafa and Nole have been getting the toughest draws this year.....

Rafa and Nole were getting tough draws this year? Are you kidding me? Nole's AO draw was a joke. Nadal's Indian Wells and Miami draws weren't too tough. I'm not saying Federer got the toughest draws everywhere but neither did Nadal or Novak. Or Murray for that matter. It is a draw, you know.

Also, you think Nadal gets Murray on his half more often? Huh? How about Abu Dabi, Doha, Indian Wells? Sound familiar? Again, you are such a fanboy you probably don't know what being objective is.

Shaolin
04-12-2009, 02:19 PM
Federer got the easiest draw as usual.....

Have you noticed how they always toss Murray in Rafa's half? Expect that for the rest of the year... :rolleyes:

I think Rafa and Nole have the toughest draws. I find it peculiar that both Rafa and Nole have been getting the toughest draws this year.....


Good god, shut up with your fixed draw/conspiracy BS.

luckyboy1300
04-12-2009, 02:23 PM
Good god, shut up with your fixed draw/conspiracy BS.

take a look at zagor's sig. that rule has been imposed by Nadalism a long time ago and they're obliged to comply.

deltox
04-12-2009, 02:27 PM
Have you noticed how they always toss Murray in Rafa's half? Expect that for the rest of the year... :rolleyes:

wow,, the seeds are ALWAYS placed 1v4 and 2v3

stormholloway
04-12-2009, 02:29 PM
Nadal has in his quarter

Hewitt
Stepanek
Monfils
JMDP

Easiest by a nose.

In Federer's quarter

Andreev
Robredo
Wawrinka
Simon

Second easiest.

In Murray's

Nalbandian
Cilic
Davydenko

Hardest.

and finally Djokovic's

Almagro
Ferrer
Gulbis
Verdasco

Second hardest.

That's the way I see it anyway. You never know what you're gonna get with Nalbandian though, so it could be easy in the end. Djokovic has some pretty quality dirt ballers in his section.

deltox
04-12-2009, 02:32 PM
if you add the total of the seeded players in each quarter you get the staggered effect favoring the top four by rankings.

nadal gets 30
fed 32
novak 36 and murray at 38 points of seeded players.

the draws are all made out by some computer formula, even the local ones at USTA level , small NTRP tourneys around here use the same formula for seeeds and draws

RCizzle65
04-12-2009, 02:34 PM
wow,, the seeds are ALWAYS placed 1v4 and 2v3

Not true, even some examples

Federer (still number one at the time) had Djokovic (number three) in his draw at Wimbledon 2008 and Australian Open 2008. But, in the US Open 2008, Federer (now number two) faced Djokovic in the semis (still number three).

That said, there is no conspiracy in the draws, unlike some posters who always believe Nadal has the tough draw and Federer has the easy draw.

gj011
04-12-2009, 02:37 PM
Murray was not in Nadal's half as recent as IW.

I don't really care about Rome and Madrid draws, but I would like Djokovic for once not to be drawn in Nadal's half on RG after three consecutive years.

deltox
04-12-2009, 02:47 PM
Murray was not in Nadal's half as recent as IW.

I don't really care about Rome and Madrid draws, but I would like Djokovic for once not to be drawn in Nadal's half on RG after three consecutive years.

shrug, im guessing the top 4 is random then? but at our locals its ALWAYS 1v4 and 2v3

RCizzle65
04-12-2009, 02:53 PM
shrug, im guessing the top 4 is random then? but at our locals its ALWAYS 1v4 and 2v3

Yeah it is, besides 1 and 2 being on opposite sides of the draw.

coloskier
04-12-2009, 02:58 PM
wow,, the seeds are ALWAYS placed 1v4 and 2v3

Not always. They are actually chosen by a flip of the coin. But I think they should always be 1x4, 2x3.

Nadal_Freak
04-12-2009, 03:21 PM
Murray was not in Nadal's half as recent as IW.

I don't really care about Rome and Madrid draws, but I would like Djokovic for once not to be drawn in Nadal's half on RG after three consecutive years.
I'm hoping Federer gets to number 3 so he can be drawn into Nadal's half. :D

gj011
04-12-2009, 03:44 PM
shrug, im guessing the top 4 is random then? but at our locals its ALWAYS 1v4 and 2v3

No it is always random. Not just top 4 but all seeds. 5-8 are randomly drawn in 1-4 quarters and so on.

gj011
04-12-2009, 03:49 PM
Not always. They are actually chosen by a flip of the coin. But I think they should always be 1x4, 2x3.

I think it is better random as it is. Otherwise players could try to tank smaller tournaments in order to get better draw in bigger.

For example when Nadal was #2, #3 player could tank in say Rome or Madrid (Hamburg previous years) in order to drop to #4 and avoid Nadal in RG SF.

prosealster
04-12-2009, 04:16 PM
i thought nadal always has the hardest draw... :P

egn
04-12-2009, 06:52 PM
Federer got the easiest draw as usual.....

Really? Because Nadal's draw is loaded with difficulty.

I know. They always try to protect him. Just let Murray be the number 2 and get it over with.

Protect him from what? Fed loses perfectly fine no matter what draw they give him as of lately the only way the protect him is by killing the rest of the tour.

Murray has the toughest draw imo. I think it will stay that way for a long time to help Federer out.

Murray's draw is not tough at all, davy coming back from injury struggling and Nalby who has been subpar on clay for the past 2 years...full of difficulty.

Have you noticed how they always toss Murray in Rafa's half? Expect that for the rest of the year... :rolleyes:

Indian Wells? Doha?

I think Rafa and Nole have the toughest draws. I find it peculiar that both Rafa and Nole have been getting the toughest draws this year.....

Really I don't think Rafa had a tough Indian Wells draw and he certainty does not have one now. Fed after all did have Murray on his side in IW so would that not have made his draw tougher? Would you rather face Murray who has an under 500 record on clay possibly in the semis or Djokovic who won a clay court master series and has 2 french open semi finals possibly in the semifinals?

JeMar
04-12-2009, 07:20 PM
Murray's a vastly different player now than he was before last year's Wimbledon. I think people are really underestimating what he can accomplish this year.

OliverSimon
04-12-2009, 07:23 PM
Federer and Nadal both have pretty easy draw. Murray's draw sucks, and Djokovic's doesn't look too appetizing either (well, for the viewer these draws are awesome, but for the guys playing...yikes).

No way man Chucho is on that side.

veroniquem
04-12-2009, 07:53 PM
Murray was not in Nadal's half as recent as IW.

I don't really care about Rome and Madrid draws, but I would like Djokovic for once not to be drawn in Nadal's half on RG after three consecutive years.
Me too. I'd love to see a Federer-Djokovic match at RG this year.
Am I the only one who thinks Del Potro could be very dangerous on clay this year? He won 2 clay tournaments last year.

VivalaVida
04-12-2009, 07:56 PM
Me too. I'd love to see a Federer-Djokovic match at RG this year.
Am I the only one who thinks Del Potro could be very dangerous on clay this year? He won 2 clay tournaments last year.
I am with you on that one. I mean he is full of confidence at the moment after his win over Rafa. I still dont see him beating nadal or federer at RG though. Maybe a couple of deep runs.

batz
04-12-2009, 11:12 PM
Novak has the hardest draw IMHO. Followed by Rafa, then Andy, then Roger. I don't think Murray's draw is that tough to be honest.

Blinkism
04-12-2009, 11:36 PM
Djokovic has the most difficult draw of the top 4 and Murray has the easiest, IMO.

Nadal's got a mildly challenging quarter, nothing he can't handle on clay. Federer, too, but he does have Simon in his quarter so he may face a roadblock on the road to the semi's.

Chelsea_Kiwi
04-13-2009, 12:00 AM
Djokovic has the hardest though only because Davydenko is coming back from injury. Nadal has the easiest as usual...

LanceStern
04-13-2009, 12:08 AM
That doesn't mean Murray isn't a #3 player.

I get so tired of these no slams = not top ___ material argument.

For goodness sake he runs over the Top 3 in the 3 set hard courts matches regularly! And had a deep run in wimbledon.

Clay may not be his best, but that didn't stop pete Sampras! (Not the same cliber of players, but get the point)

Chelsea_Kiwi
04-13-2009, 12:25 AM
That doesn't mean Murray isn't a #3 player.

I get so tired of these no slams = not top ___ material argument.

For goodness sake he runs over the Top 3 in the 3 set hard courts matches regularly! And had a deep run in wimbledon.

Clay may not be his best, but that didn't stop pete Sampras! (Not the same cliber of players, but get the point) Remember that 98% of this board are *******s so they think that RG is the most prestigious, clay is the best surface, to be GOAT you have to win at RG etc...

Blinkism
04-13-2009, 12:32 AM
Remember that 98% of this board are *******s so they think that RG is the most prestigious, clay is the best surface, to be GOAT you have to win at RG etc...

When Nadal, Federer, and Djokovic are such accomplished players on clay and then you see Murray with, relatively-speaking, very few accomplishments on clay, then it's a fair assessment to say that Murray isn't quite Top 3 Material when it comes to year-round success on all surfaces.

Maybe he'll prove that theory wrong, though, this year. He hasn't shown us anything else, yet.

veroniquem
04-13-2009, 01:52 PM
As of now, it really doesn't matter what kind of draw Nadal gets on clay. If he's healthy, noone can stop him.

Leublu tennis
04-13-2009, 03:10 PM
Second that and it also interesting that for some reason Murray's draw is called hardest but the reason is justified as Murray has limited clay court skill. I guess Novak's punishment for not being on Nadal's side was to put all the clay court specialist in his quarter. Only shocked Robredo did not wind up there to.Murray can probably take out Cilic but will lose to Nalbandian/Davydenko. Still good for Murray as he will get into 3R, something he could not manage in any tournament during clay season last year.

JeMar
04-13-2009, 05:04 PM
It'd be great to see Nalbandian play well this week, but I just can't see him getting past Murray. Murray was a much different player prior to last year's Wimbledon.

deltox
04-13-2009, 05:20 PM
It'd be great to see Nalbandian play well this week, but I just can't see him getting past Murray. Murray was a much different player prior to last year's Wimbledon.

you guys have nalbandian getting past davydenko?> thats not going to be an easy matchup for him at ALL>>>>

actually if Davy is even 95% from the injury he should beat him

JeMar
04-13-2009, 05:33 PM
They're tied 3-3 when meeting on clay and all have been fairly tough matches. The reason I'm giving the nod to Nalbandian is the fact that I doubt Devydenko's one-hundred-percent.

deltox
04-13-2009, 05:34 PM
They're tied 3-3 when meeting on clay and all have been fairly tough matches. The reason I'm giving the nod to Nalbandian is the fact that I doubt Devydenko's one-hundred-percent.

i agree either one can certainly win, but im just not sure i would give nalby the nod before the match, actually i took davy on my fantasy draw

JeMar
04-13-2009, 05:41 PM
Yeah, it could go either way. I just personally don't think I would give the edge to someone that's coming back from a pretty serious injury and that has only played three matches this year.:|

I'm sure I'll have egg all over my face in a few days, though.:oops:

deltox
04-13-2009, 05:43 PM
Yeah, it could go either way. I just personally don't think I would give the edge to someone that's coming back from a pretty serious injury and that has only played three matches this year.:|

I'm sure I'll have egg all over my face in a few days, though.:oops:

when the matchup is this close to call.. i go with my favorite.. and since davy is one of my top 5s he gets the nod

JeMar
04-13-2009, 05:45 PM
Hehe, yeah, same here.

egn
04-13-2009, 06:32 PM
They're tied 3-3 when meeting on clay and all have been fairly tough matches. The reason I'm giving the nod to Nalbandian is the fact that I doubt Devydenko's one-hundred-percent.

lol but its Nalby xD

Mansewerz
04-13-2009, 06:37 PM
Nadal has in his quarter

Hewitt
Stepanek
Monfils
JMDP


In Federer's quarter

Andreev
Robredo
Wawrinka
Simon

In Murray's

Nalbandian
Cilic
Davydenko

and finally Djokovic's

Almagro
Ferrer
Gulbis
Verdasco

You see only 2 names in murrays quarter BUT he has 2 VERY tough ones in nalbandian and Davy

Nadal seems to have the bigger names in his quarter but in reality only Monfils and JMDP have an outside chance of competition

Djokovic has 2 contenders and 2 possibles really.

and Federer has someone who actually knows his game very well and may give him a hard time in Wawrinka but Andreev is the wild card of that quarter who has shown in previous meetings with a top shape federer that he can and has pushed the guy to his limits.


summary:

possibly the best matches in a single tourney this year.

I hope Safin annihilates Hewitt.

crazylevity
04-14-2009, 04:35 AM
I read many previous posts regarding Federer's quarter, and that Simon would be the one to give him trouble. Why is this so? Considering that Simon has never made much of a noise on clay, his strokes are way too flat, and Wawrinka and Robredo are far more established clay courters?

veroniquem
04-14-2009, 06:40 AM
I read many previous posts regarding Federer's quarter, and that Simon would be the one to give him trouble. Why is this so? Considering that Simon has never made much of a noise on clay, his strokes are way too flat, and Wawrinka and Robredo are far more established clay courters?
Well Simon has not been a threat for long...

cknobman
04-14-2009, 06:40 AM
Its pretty obvious that Djoko has more good dirtballers in his quarter.

yellowoctopus
04-14-2009, 11:23 AM
Murray has the hardest draw because he sucks on clay and can be taken out by just about any ATP top 50 player on clay.

He's got Davydenko, whom can outlast Murray from the backcourt.