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spiderman123
04-13-2009, 07:54 AM
This weekend I played against someone who was so much better than me. Managed to win just one game in the whole match. (I went in with 4-2 so I am not exactly at the bottom of the pack either.)

It was a very different experience. Shook me up and told me about my weaknesses like no pro has ever done in a lesson. Remember that scene from "Casino Royale" where James Bond has his hands tied behind a chair... it was something like that.

One day I hope to break myself free and hit back when I play such a player. Till then, I will have to practice, practice and practice.

[It was great to pick up the Tennis magazine and read the article about NTRP after that drubbing. It is funny as I could relate it to the my video gaming experience. Games like Halo try to match you with similar skilled opponents and most of the time you have good matches but you do come across that uber skilled sniper once in a while and you are still ok as majority of your online matches are competitive.]

goober
04-13-2009, 08:21 AM
Well at least you didn't claim sandbagging which seems to be the standard response after you get beat badly in league play.

In online gaming the excuse is either lag or they are have bots/hax :)

mikeler
04-13-2009, 08:22 AM
This weekend I played against someone who was so much better than me. Managed to win just one game in the whole match. (I went in with 4-2 so I am not exactly at the bottom of the pack either.)

It was a very different experience. Shook me up and told me about my weaknesses like no pro has ever done in a lesson. Remember that scene from "Casino Royale" where James Bond has his hands tied behind a chair... it was something like that.

One day I hope to break myself free and hit back when I play such a player. Till then, I will have to practice, practice and practice.

[It was great to pick up the Tennis magazine and read the article about NTRP after that drubbing. It is funny as I could relate it to the my video gaming experience. Games like Halo try to match you with similar skilled opponents and most of the time you have good matches but you do come across that uber skilled sniper once in a while and you are still ok as majority of your online matches are competitive.]


Sounds like you have a sandbagger in your league. Either that or you just do not match up well against this particular player.

spiderman123
04-13-2009, 08:26 AM
Sounds like you have a sandbagger in your league. Either that or you just do not match up well against this particular player.


All I can say that he is a Self rated player who has played at a very high level in high school just a few years ago.

And I know I do not match up well against him as well :)

burosky
04-13-2009, 12:58 PM
To the contrary. I always thought a good ringer is someone who could make the score look close so as not to give the impression that he or she is just way too good. This happens a lot in league play and I'm sure leaguers here can vouch for that.

120mphBodyServe
04-15-2009, 05:40 AM
What's your style of play and rating?
And the guy that clobbered you?

JRstriker12
04-15-2009, 06:37 AM
This weekend I played against someone who was so much better than me. Managed to win just one game in the whole match. (I went in with 4-2 so I am not exactly at the bottom of the pack either.)

It was a very different experience. Shook me up and told me about my weaknesses like no pro has ever done in a lesson. Remember that scene from "Casino Royale" where James Bond has his hands tied behind a chair... it was something like that.

One day I hope to break myself free and hit back when I play such a player. Till then, I will have to practice, practice and practice.

[It was great to pick up the Tennis magazine and read the article about NTRP after that drubbing. It is funny as I could relate it to the my video gaming experience. Games like Halo try to match you with similar skilled opponents and most of the time you have good matches but you do come across that uber skilled sniper once in a while and you are still ok as majority of your online matches are competitive.]


Happens sometimes. Every once in a while, you meet up against a guy who just has your number.... or you could just have an off day.

I remeber playing a frined in a tournament. He usually beats me, but our matches are very close like 6-4, 5-7, or going to tie breaks. We played in this tourney, and I think I took him down like 2 and 3.

BTW- which issue of tennis has the article on NTRP????

goober
04-15-2009, 06:41 AM
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BTW- which issue of tennis has the article on NTRP????

The one that just came out. I got it Monday.

JRstriker12
04-15-2009, 06:59 AM
The one that just came out. I got it Monday.

Hmmmmmmm..... need to double check my mail. Thanks.

goober
04-15-2009, 07:33 AM
Hmmmmmmm..... need to double check my mail. Thanks.

Either that check you neighbors house, especially if they play tennis. :) I once had a magazine delivered to my neighbor. He kept it for a couple weeks and then told his kid to give it to me saying it was accidentally delivered to this house. The plastic bag it usually came in was gone and the magazine had little dog ear folds- lol.

spiderman123
04-15-2009, 07:40 AM
What's your style of play and rating?
And the guy that clobbered you?

Since you asked :)

I am a mid 3.5 with a strong first and second serve, decent forehand that is more powerful than backhand but backhand is more reliable (go figure!! maybe because I don't/can't hit a powerful backhand and prefer to place it). I do tend to come in the moment I think I hit a good shot and have decent volleys(no good for this match) and overheads. I do tend to make a mess of some easy volleys at times though. So lack consistency overall but usually adjust in a match according to my opponent.

This match, he did not give me any breathing space. I would hit a shot that I thought was a great shot and would come in for the easy volley I am used to and BAM! the ball would land at my feet with so much pace and spin before I could cross the service line.

Thinking back, I failed miserably at making any adjustments. I should have just stayed back a couple of feet behind baseline the whole time given how deep his shots were but I am not used to that. Anyway, I would return a couple of balls deep and the moment I hit the ball little short, he would mercilessly put it away. He was an excellent mover too.

He had an incredible first and second serve. The second serve would land on the line and kick a foot over my head at times. I am 6'+. I can only return such serves, cannot return them deep with pace/spin. Same thing with his superfast first serves, I could only take a fast swing, if it stayed it it would come back deep as usual. His only weakness was volleys but I did not get enough chance to exploit that.

He played for a state #2 high school team 5 years ago. And yes, he was self rated. If he keeps playing at this level, I have no doubt that his game will suffer over time. His choice.

mikeler
04-15-2009, 08:16 AM
Since you asked :)

I am a mid 3.5 with a strong first and second serve, decent forehand that is more powerful than backhand but backhand is more reliable (go figure!! maybe because I don't/can't hit a powerful backhand and prefer to place it). I do tend to come in the moment I think I hit a good shot and have decent volleys(no good for this match) and overheads. I do tend to make a mess of some easy volleys at times though. So lack consistency overall but usually adjust in a match according to my opponent.

This match, he did not give me any breathing space. I would hit a shot that I thought was a great shot and would come in for the easy volley I am used to and BAM! the ball would land at my feet with so much pace and spin before I could cross the service line.

Thinking back, I failed miserably at making any adjustments. I should have just stayed back a couple of feet behind baseline the whole time given how deep his shots were but I am not used to that. Anyway, I would return a couple of balls deep and the moment I hit the ball little short, he would mercilessly put it away. He was an excellent mover too.

He had an incredible first and second serve. The second serve would land on the line and kick a foot over my head at times. I am 6'+. I can only return such serves, cannot return them deep with pace/spin. Same thing with his superfast first serves, I could only take a fast swing, if it stayed it it would come back deep as usual. His only weakness was volleys but I did not get enough chance to exploit that.

He played for a state #2 high school team 5 years ago. And yes, he was self rated. If he keeps playing at this level, I have no doubt that his game will suffer over time. His choice.


This sounds more like a 4.5-5.0 level player to me.

120mphBodyServe
04-15-2009, 08:27 AM
Yeap... You got owned. Take all the lessons learned from this beatdown and try to elevate your level of play step by step...
You might start making more errors, but with the right technique and some tuition you should be able to see some improvement in about 6 months. Oh and you might want to sharpen your mental focus accordingly...

skiracer55
04-15-2009, 09:29 AM
Yeap... You got owned. Take all the lessons learned from this beatdown and try to elevate your level of play step by step...
You might start making more errors, but with the right technique and some tuition you should be able to see some improvement in about 6 months. Oh and you might want to sharpen your mental focus accordingly...

...so let's drop back a little and look at the situation. You're a 3.5 player who got schooled by what appears to be a 4.5/5.0 player who was sandbagging. I don't think sandbagging is a good thing, but there's a lot of things I don't like about NTRP. You can kind of do one of two things, either protest if you get sandbagged if what you want to do is succeed at a 3.5 level. Or you can make yourself into a better player and beat the guy as a 4.5/5.0. The move from 3.5 to 5.0 ain't easy, but it's not impossible either. I always assume that every player wants to be the best player that he or she can be, which to me implies getting better so that you move up the NTRP scale...but maybe not. Some people just want to have fun, win matches, whatever, at whatever level they are...so take your pick, and act accordingly...

nyc
04-15-2009, 09:52 AM
I feel your pain, and that's one of the things that are wrong with the USTA leagues, but I actually LIKE matches like that as it gives me an opportunity to play a much better player.

I much rather get schooled, than play yet another pusher who's been at his NTRP level for decades beacuase it gives me the opportunity to learn.

tykrum
04-15-2009, 10:14 AM
Since you asked :)

I am a mid 3.5 with a strong first and second serve, decent forehand that is more powerful than backhand but backhand is more reliable (go figure!! maybe because I don't/can't hit a powerful backhand and prefer to place it). I do tend to come in the moment I think I hit a good shot and have decent volleys(no good for this match) and overheads. I do tend to make a mess of some easy volleys at times though. So lack consistency overall but usually adjust in a match according to my opponent.

This match, he did not give me any breathing space. I would hit a shot that I thought was a great shot and would come in for the easy volley I am used to and BAM! the ball would land at my feet with so much pace and spin before I could cross the service line.

Thinking back, I failed miserably at making any adjustments. I should have just stayed back a couple of feet behind baseline the whole time given how deep his shots were but I am not used to that. Anyway, I would return a couple of balls deep and the moment I hit the ball little short, he would mercilessly put it away. He was an excellent mover too.

He had an incredible first and second serve. The second serve would land on the line and kick a foot over my head at times. I am 6'+. I can only return such serves, cannot return them deep with pace/spin. Same thing with his superfast first serves, I could only take a fast swing, if it stayed it it would come back deep as usual. His only weakness was volleys but I did not get enough chance to exploit that.

He played for a state #2 high school team 5 years ago. And yes, he was self rated. If he keeps playing at this level, I have no doubt that his game will suffer over time. His choice.

If he is not a 3.5 and there are records of a recent high level of play, then he rated out of level and you should file a self-rate grievance to your local coordinator. The NTRP system can't work if people don't file grievances against this type of player when there is evidence that he should have rated higher.

Bud
04-17-2009, 05:08 AM
This sounds more like a 4.5-5.0 level player to me.

That's what I was thinking, too. Most 3.5 players don't even know what a kick serve is much less have the ability to put them 7' in the air and over the head of a 6' tall male.

mikeler
04-17-2009, 06:55 AM
I feel your pain, and that's one of the things that are wrong with the USTA leagues, but I actually LIKE matches like that as it gives me an opportunity to play a much better player.

I much rather get schooled, than play yet another pusher who's been at his NTRP level for decades beacuase it gives me the opportunity to learn.


I'm the same way. I would rather play the toughest opponents possible because I enjoy the challenge. There is nothing more satisfying than beating a player who is a little bit better than me. I don't get anything out of pounding on a guy for a 6-2, 6-2 win.

Rob Johnson
04-17-2009, 07:10 AM
I'm playing in my first tournament this weekend. I'm a 2.5 hoping to move up to 3.0 soon (I just started the game last year, and league play back in December). I signed up for a 2.5 tournament, and no one else entered in that division, so I got bumped into the 3.0 category.

Despite the fact that I'll likely be overmatched, I'm looking forward to seeing what I need to do to get good enough to move up.

burosky
04-17-2009, 12:47 PM
I'm playing in my first tournament this weekend. I'm a 2.5 hoping to move up to 3.0 soon (I just started the game last year, and league play back in December). I signed up for a 2.5 tournament, and no one else entered in that division, so I got bumped into the 3.0 category.

Despite the fact that I'll likely be overmatched, I'm looking forward to seeing what I need to do to get good enough to move up.

Welcome to the world of competetive recreational tennis! May your path steer you away from the jerks, the weirdos, the hookers, the cheater and sandbaggers. :)

innoVAShaun
04-20-2009, 09:36 AM
If he is not a 3.5 and there are records of a recent high level of play, then he rated out of level and you should file a self-rate grievance to your local coordinator. The NTRP system can't work if people don't file grievances against this type of player when there is evidence that he should have rated higher.


Yup, sounds like he said checked the "Play high school tennis" and said "NO" to the question "Have you ever competed in postseason play?"

Steady Eddy
04-20-2009, 10:06 AM
Are you sure he's way better? Notice that in the pros a player will drub a guy one week, get drubbed the next. People often are labeling everyone's game. After being down 4-0 a player thinks, "He's out of my league." Top 10 pros are often down 4-0 to nobodys. Next time you have a match, try not to think about: the score, how good your opponent is, or what he might think of you. Just play the ball and let the points take care of themselves.