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sureshs
04-13-2009, 12:29 PM
I was really impressed with her 1 handed BH in the Andalusia final against Jankovic. She is a poor-woman's Henin. But I have a feeling her style will not be conducive to faster surfaces. Not enough time for the loop setup. She should also develop a quick slice for those situations.

I am also working on a theory about women and 1 handed BHs, specially ones that have topspin. The theory is based on observations of Navarro and Henin. Maybe even Navratilova. To put it delicately, I wonder if women who are not well-endowed in certain respects are better suited for 1 handed backhands. Being well-endowed could interfere in the closed stance positioning and across the body movement of the dominant arm.

Please comment on my theory. Keep it decent. It is a scientific discussion.

Mick
04-13-2009, 12:38 PM
she upset venus williams at the 2009 AO, and wasn't that match played on a fast surface ?

i don't know if her backhand was to blame for the loss. from what i have read, it seems she ran out of gas in the 3rd set.

vandre
04-14-2009, 09:57 AM
I was really impressed with her 1 handed BH in the Andalusia final against Jankovic. She is a poor-woman's Henin. But I have a feeling her style will not be conducive to faster surfaces. Not enough time for the loop setup. She should also develop a quick slice for those situations.

I am also working on a theory about women and 1 handed BHs, specially ones that have topspin. The theory is based on observations of Navarro and Henin. Maybe even Navratilova. To put it delicately, I wonder if women who are not well-endowed in certain respects are better suited for 1 handed backhands. Being well-endowed could interfere in the closed stance positioning and across the body movement of the dominant arm.

Please comment on my theory. Keep it decent. It is a scientific discussion.

interesting theory. what about sabatini?

shell
04-14-2009, 10:24 AM
I was really impressed with her 1 handed BH in the Andalusia final against Jankovic. She is a poor-woman's Henin. But I have a feeling her style will not be conducive to faster surfaces. Not enough time for the loop setup. She should also develop a quick slice for those situations.

I am also working on a theory about women and 1 handed BHs, specially ones that have topspin. The theory is based on observations of Navarro and Henin. Maybe even Navratilova. To put it delicately, I wonder if women who are not well-endowed in certain respects are better suited for 1 handed backhands. Being well-endowed could interfere in the closed stance positioning and across the body movement of the dominant arm.

Please comment on my theory. Keep it decent. It is a scientific discussion.

I think there are too many other factors going on with the BH to make that analagy. It would be like saying the better movers in the men's game are all small, well, to put it delicately, in the crotch area. :) Sorry, but that is the best coorelation I could come up with.

RalphNYC
04-14-2009, 10:50 AM
ridiculous "theory" - the right arm crosses the chest with either 1H or 2H to prepare, and by the time the ball is struck the arms are exended. If anything, the one-hander allows more breathing room.

BreakPoint
04-14-2009, 11:39 AM
ridiculous "theory" - the right arm crosses the chest with either 1H or 2H to prepare, and by the time the ball is struck the arms are exended. If anything, the one-hander allows more breathing room.
Exactly! You are much more constricted across the chest with a two-handed backhand than with a one-handed backhand. With a one-handed backhand, your right arm swings out and away from your body. With a two-handed backhand, your left arm comes across your chest and squeezes your chest. So if anything, big boobs would hinder 2HBH's much more than 1HBH's and small boobs would make it less constrictive to swing 2HBH's.

quest01
04-14-2009, 11:55 AM
Navarro was an interesting player to watch at the Australian Open; she has a classic game with the one handed backhand. For an ugly looking girl with a goofy haircut and a funny walk shes a decent player who could possibly crack the top 10 someday.

Leublu tennis
04-14-2009, 12:01 PM
Navarro was an interesting player to watch at the Australian Open; she has a classic game with the one handed backhand. For an ugly looking girl with a goofy haircut and a funny walk shes a decent player who could possibly crack the top 10 someday.Hey, hey. So she walks like a duck. She talks like a duck, but .... maybe she is a pigeon.

marpiw
04-14-2009, 12:04 PM
Who is this girl?...She seems to be Argentine and she also seems to be the new Gabriela Sabatini.....
For the description everybody makes in this thread she must be playing like Gaby and in the same style....
I've never saw her playing a complete match,I saw her once in a news program on TV but her face was not shown...
So I think that we are welcoming a new Gaby....Please tell me where is she going to play her next tournament...thanks..

RalphNYC
04-14-2009, 12:07 PM
For an ugly looking girl with a goofy haircut and a funny walk shes a decent player who could possibly crack the top 10 someday.

Is this really so unusual? Navratilova? Billy Jean King? Davenport? Dare I say, Graff?

BreakPoint
04-14-2009, 12:11 PM
Who is this girl?...She seems to be Argentine and she also seems to be the new Gabriela Sabatini.....
For the description everybody makes in this thread she must be playing like Gaby and in the same style....
I've never saw her playing a complete match,I saw her once in a news program on TV but her face was not shown...
So I think that we are welcoming a new Gaby....Please tell me where is she going to play her next tournament...thanks..
She's Spanish.

Her semis and final from the Andalucia Tennis Experience in Marabello, Spain were shown on Tennis Channel this past weekend. If they repeat it, you should watch it. You will be amazed by her backhand. :)

bladepdb
04-14-2009, 12:14 PM
I think there are too many other factors going on with the BH to make that analagy. It would be like saying the better movers in the men's game are all small, well, to put it delicately, in the crotch area. :) Sorry, but that is the best coorelation I could come up with.

Yeah and with Mofils being one fo the better movers in the men's game, and him being of African American descent....you can see where I'm going with this :P Kinda disproves that xD

marpiw
04-14-2009, 12:19 PM
Thanks for your info,I surely will be alert and will not miss the program...She's Spanish.

Her semis and final from the Andalucia Tennis Experience in Marabello, Spain were shown on Tennis Channel this past weekend. If they repeat it, you should watch it. You will be amazed by her backhand. :)

NandoMania
04-14-2009, 12:20 PM
Match made in heaven:
Carla Suarez Navarro + Radek Stepanek

sureshs
04-14-2009, 12:48 PM
ridiculous "theory" - the right arm crosses the chest with either 1H or 2H to prepare, and by the time the ball is struck the arms are exended. If anything, the one-hander allows more breathing room.

Not always. There are 4 variants - both arms stretched, one bent, the other bent, or both bent.

Do you agree that the open stance 2 hander is less likely to be "obstructed"?

sureshs
04-14-2009, 12:49 PM
Match made in heaven:
Carla Suarez Navarro + Radek Stepanek

They are both beautiful on the inside.

shell
04-14-2009, 12:51 PM
Yeah and with Mofils being one fo the better movers in the men's game, and him being of African American descent....you can see where I'm going with this :P Kinda disproves that xD

If you read my post you would see that I was pointing out no correlation...if you read my post that is.

BreakPoint
04-14-2009, 02:06 PM
Yeah and with Mofils being one fo the better movers in the men's game, and him being of African American descent....you can see where I'm going with this :P Kinda disproves that xD
How is Monfils "of African American descent"? :confused: He's French. He's not any kind of American at all.

Cesc Fabregas
04-14-2009, 02:08 PM
Her one hander is a sexy shot.

emerckx53
04-14-2009, 06:57 PM
I was really impressed with her 1 handed BH in the Andalusia final against Jankovic. She is a poor-woman's Henin. But I have a feeling her style will not be conducive to faster surfaces. Not enough time for the loop setup. She should also develop a quick slice for those situations.

I am also working on a theory about women and 1 handed BHs, specially ones that have topspin. The theory is based on observations of Navarro and Henin. Maybe even Navratilova. To put it delicately, I wonder if women who are not well-endowed in certain respects are better suited for 1 handed backhands. Being well-endowed could interfere in the closed stance positioning and across the body movement of the dominant arm.

Please comment on my theory. Keep it decent. It is a scientific discussion.

Here is my comment....go practice and stay away from the keyboard

tenniscool
04-14-2009, 07:43 PM
Her one hander is a sexy shot.

Agreed!
I really want her to be in the top10 that would be awesome haha

bladepdb
04-14-2009, 09:29 PM
How is Monfils "of African American descent"? :confused: He's French. He's not any kind of American at all.

*Blonde moment* Yeah I tried to go politically correct -- shows what happens when I do so :D

aimr75
04-14-2009, 09:52 PM
dont think she would get much of a mention on these boards if it wasnt for her 1 handed backhand..

btw, she has a nice backhand ;)

Storm_Kyori
04-14-2009, 10:11 PM
What grip does she use, I'm watching it on youtube the AO match with Venus and the commentator says she is using the same side of the racquet. Like Jelena does with her FH/BH. That 1hander is awesome, deep and lots of pace.

tenniscool
04-14-2009, 10:13 PM
damn i was just watching her recent clay court matches and she is basically justine henin, just not quite yet :O!

1970CRBase
04-14-2009, 11:58 PM
What racquet is she using there?

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0d4n8O7gleb1k/610x.jpg

& yes, if Carla were another 2 hander, she wouldn't be interesting to watch at all.

1970CRBase
04-15-2009, 12:02 AM
I was really impressed with her 1 handed BH in the Andalusia final against Jankovic. She is a poor-woman's Henin. But I have a feeling her style will not be conducive to faster surfaces. Not enough time for the loop setup. She should also develop a quick slice for those situations.

I am also working on a theory about women and 1 handed BHs, specially ones that have topspin. The theory is based on observations of Navarro and Henin. Maybe even Navratilova. To put it delicately, I wonder if women who are not well-endowed in certain respects are better suited for 1 handed backhands. Being well-endowed could interfere in the closed stance positioning and across the body movement of the dominant arm.

Please comment on my theory. Keep it decent. It is a scientific discussion.

Have you tried conducting a practical experiment yourself? For the sake of science, you know. ie : strap a couple of grapefruit or tie a pair of jugs on your chest hehe :)

1970CRBase
04-15-2009, 12:15 AM
Australian Open 2009 - VWilliams vs Navarro


http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=A2CBAF67925BA8D0

sureshs
04-15-2009, 08:32 AM
What grip does she use, I'm watching it on youtube the AO match with Venus and the commentator says she is using the same side of the racquet.

It is possible. Extreme Eastern on the BH = Western on the FH. She can continue using the same racquet face on both sides, though usually players will come to the neutral (Continental) first, and then move the grip over to the opposite side, resulting in a different racquet face.

sureshs
04-15-2009, 08:33 AM
damn i was just watching her recent clay court matches and she is basically justine henin, just not quite yet :O!

Remains to be seen if the BH holds up on faster courts.

thejoe
04-15-2009, 08:39 AM
Navarro was an interesting player to watch at the Australian Open; she has a classic game with the one handed backhand. For an ugly looking girl with a goofy haircut and a funny walk shes a decent player who could possibly crack the top 10 someday.

She looks like Mel from Flight Of The Conchords.

jmverdugo
04-15-2009, 08:41 AM
I was really impressed with her 1 handed BH in the Andalusia final against Jankovic. She is a poor-woman's Henin. But I have a feeling her style will not be conducive to faster surfaces. Not enough time for the loop setup. She should also develop a quick slice for those situations.


I really dislike this expresion.

I think there are too many other factors going on with the BH to make that analagy. It would be like saying the better movers in the men's game are all small, well, to put it delicately, in the crotch area. :) Sorry, but that is the best coorelation I could come up with.

What is an "analagy"? ..... j/k (:

How is Monfils "of African American descent"? :confused: He's French. He's not any kind of American at all.

LOL, good catch...

jmverdugo
04-15-2009, 08:43 AM
Remains to be seen if the BH holds up on faster courts.

I would say that playing against Serena at the AO was more than enough proof of it.

sureshs
04-15-2009, 08:45 AM
She should marry Stan Wawrinka. Their children will have the best 1 handers in the sport ever.

sureshs
04-15-2009, 08:46 AM
I really dislike this expresion.



What is an "analagy"? ..... j/k (:



LOL, good catch...

I would say that playing against Serena at the AO was more than enough probe of it.

Proof is the word?

You seem to be obsessed with anal and probe.

jmverdugo
04-15-2009, 08:48 AM
Proof is the word?

You seem to be obsessed with anal and probe.

LOL good catch, I shall edit it...

sureshs
04-15-2009, 08:59 AM
What's with the name Navarro? Does it denote a person from an "indigenous" community in Spain?

shell
04-15-2009, 08:59 AM
I really dislike this expresion.



What is an "analagy"? ..... j/k (:



LOL, good catch...


An analagy is a typo, sometimes inserted by mistake when trying to type the word analogy.

yeah, I also dislike that "expresion", especially when it is spelled incorrectly. Do you mean expression?

Muaahahaha, I'm just giving you grief. :) :twisted:

jmverdugo
04-15-2009, 09:09 AM
^^ holy cr@p! Im 2 for 2 today! I better double check those emails I am sending today.

shell
04-15-2009, 09:21 AM
Remains to be seen if the BH holds up on faster courts.

Agree with you. She still needs some work, but she is refreshing to watch. Same with the forehand. I think she will need to shorten that a bit for faster courts.

Topaz
04-15-2009, 09:24 AM
Navarro was an interesting player to watch at the Australian Open; she has a classic game with the one handed backhand. For an ugly looking girl with a goofy haircut and a funny walk shes a decent player who could possibly crack the top 10 someday.

Uh, what does her looks and walk have to do with her possibly being top 10 talent?

Interesting.

How about this:

For a professional athlete who has worked very hard and has some great looking strokes she has a decent chance to crack the top 10 someday.

BreakPoint
04-15-2009, 11:43 AM
Thanks for your info,I surely will be alert and will not miss the program...
The Tennis Channel is replaying Navarro's awesome semifinal against Cirstea RIGHT NOW!!!!

sureshs
04-15-2009, 01:45 PM
The Tennis Channel is replaying Navarro's awesome semifinal against Cirstea RIGHT NOW!!!!

And you are focusing on Navarro's BH and Cirstea's looks, aren't you? Quite a treat for you.

BreakPoint
04-15-2009, 02:22 PM
And you are focusing on Navarro's BH and Cirstea's looks, aren't you? Quite a treat for you.
Guilty as charged. :oops: :)

Avril_lover7
04-16-2009, 03:06 AM
is this something i imagine or is it true,, that one Back-handed players need more energy to hit a one back-hand shot !!!?

Avril_lover7
04-16-2009, 03:10 AM
i'm saying this coz when i try to hit a one-back-hand shot, it's thouhER than a tow back-hand shot !!!1

sureshs
04-16-2009, 08:37 AM
is this something i imagine or is it true,, that one Back-handed players need more energy to hit a one back-hand shot !!!?

Depends. 1 hander requires more strength to pull off, but a lazier shot is also possible to just keep the ball in play.

_mats_
04-16-2009, 09:12 AM
What's with the name Navarro? Does it denote a person from an "indigenous" community in Spain?

Its a patronymic name that stems from Navarra (Nafarroa in Basque) in the Basque country

jmverdugo
04-16-2009, 09:35 AM
Its a patronymic name that stems from Navarra (Nafarroa in Basque) in the Basque country

That may be the origin but is a very common last name not only in spain but in latin america too. Im just wondering why on erth suresh would think that it was an "indigenous" name.

_mats_
04-16-2009, 10:17 AM
That may be the origin but is a very common last name not only in spain but in latin america too. Im just wondering why on erth suresh would think that it was an "indigenous" name.

I agree, I don't think Suresh meant that though :)

Indigenous does not necessarily mean anything related to "indians".

Indigenous means "rooted in" or something from a particular place.

Indigenous peoples, population groups with ancestral connections to place prior to formally recorded (i.e. written) history (could be anywhere, Asia, Europe, America, etc), indigenous plants, indigenous minerals..etc.

DavidGarcia
04-16-2009, 10:46 AM
Its a patronymic name that stems from Navarra (Nafarroa in Basque) in the Basque country

Just to correct you there.

Firstly Navarro is a surname orginally from Aragon, to be more accurate from Ejea de los Caballeros (Zaragoza).

Second of all, Navarra is NOT in the Basque country as per today's date, so let's give the correct facts.

_mats_
04-16-2009, 11:27 AM
Thanks David,

Much appreciated for the correction, I was going by Wikipedia's information, proof that not everything you read there is factual.

Best -

Matt -

sureshs
04-16-2009, 01:18 PM
I agree, I don't think Suresh meant that though :)

Indigenous does not necessarily mean anything related to "indians".

Indigenous means "rooted in" or something from a particular place.

Indigenous peoples, population groups with ancestral connections to place prior to formally recorded (i.e. written) history (could be anywhere, Asia, Europe, America, etc), indigenous plants, indigenous minerals..etc.

I did mean it the way you are thinking. But I think somewhere I had "Navajo" associated with Navarro and started thinking is this one of the original populations.

DavidGarcia
04-16-2009, 01:53 PM
Thanks David,

Much appreciated for the correction, I was going by Wikipedia's information, proof that not everything you read there is factual.

Best -

Matt -

No worries at all Matt.

Never believe what wiki says :-) :-)

Take care.

Xaiks
04-17-2009, 12:13 AM
Yesterday I had the chance to see her trainnig in Barcelona (She's playing this week the Barcelona open), and had the chance to talk to her father. All his words were on how she is scheduling these next weeks to be 100% fit for Roland Garros (she's already said no to play fed cup). By the way he explained it to me, seems like she's willing to do great in Paris! And by how she is playing these lasts days, I'll bet my money on her reaching at least semifinals...

Sentinel
04-17-2009, 12:32 AM
Navarro was an interesting player to watch at the Australian Open; she has a classic game with the one handed backhand. For an ugly looking girl with a goofy haircut and a funny walk shes a decent player who could possibly crack the top 10 someday.

Match made in heaven:
Carla Suarez Navarro + Radek Stepanek
You blokes are soooo mean. I actually think she's a cute girl.
The tennis tour is not a nightclub or Showgirls/Baywatch - wrong channel !

Jack & Coke
05-12-2009, 11:45 AM
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Dang those are some crazy grips! lol I'm going to try that out the next time I hit the courts.. just to see what it's like. Hope I don't break my wrist.

gj011
05-12-2009, 11:55 AM
She is greatly overrated here. Nice OHBH does not make new Henin.

sureshs
05-12-2009, 12:00 PM
She is the poor woman's Henin.

cucio
05-12-2009, 12:33 PM
She is greatly overrated here. Nice OHBH does not make new Henin.

Agreed. I guess it is a bit of nostalgia of Justine, that makes us look for a replacement the sooner the better. The girl has a nice game and if she manages to improve her serve I think she can crack top 20 and stay there consistently, given the state of WTA nowadays. Perhaps even win a minor clay tourney. But she doesn't have the firepower necessary to withstand the big girls' onslaught.

dherring
05-12-2009, 12:39 PM
I was really impressed with her 1 handed BH in the Andalusia final against Jankovic. She is a poor-woman's Henin. But I have a feeling her style will not be conducive to faster surfaces. Not enough time for the loop setup. She should also develop a quick slice for those situations.

I am also working on a theory about women and 1 handed BHs, specially ones that have topspin. The theory is based on observations of Navarro and Henin. Maybe even Navratilova. To put it delicately, I wonder if women who are not well-endowed in certain respects are better suited for 1 handed backhands. Being well-endowed could interfere in the closed stance positioning and across the body movement of the dominant arm.

Please comment on my theory. Keep it decent. It is a scientific discussion.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! thats a terrible theory, funny tho. I like OHBH's alot, i wish their were more of them on the womens tour