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martini1
04-13-2009, 10:59 PM
Anybody who has first hand experience on how much a pro would spend over a year? Somebody was raving about how much Victoria got from the title recently and I just think that barely covers a long list expenses over the season (well assuming one doesn't win a title very other tournament and so forth...)

A simple run down on cost/expenses:
Coach - must have some kind of base salary and bonuses
Trainer - same as above

Travel expenses, hotel for the team - don't suppose you get all that for free in big tournaments

Training facilities for the tournament - do they got it for free?

Racquests - sure, that could be free
Strings - not sure if they are free...
Stringer - that's what, $100 per racket? 6-8 per match?
Gear, shoes, etc - these could be free

PR, manager, agent - these depends on how well u can get job outside of the court.

Without winning some title or top 4 finishes in the big ones, how do a pro support all these expenses?? Can somebody share some insights? U can spend 6 figures easy per year!

Leublu tennis
04-14-2009, 02:58 AM
I am guessing that talented yougsters get a sponsor who will pick up all the initial costs for a percentage of earnings later on. Others, just struggle along for the fun of it, I suppose.

There was a thread here by a TW poster who is a pro and was looking for money from other posters. It may have been removed for crass commercialism but maybe its still here somewhere. I think the player's name was Clayton something or something Clayton. There was a discussion there about his running costs, etc.

Nanshiki
04-14-2009, 03:07 AM
You don't have to have a coach (and I bet some players split coaches), and every tournament has a trainer so you don't need that either. You just have to pay for their services.

And stringing labor at small tournaments is closer to like $20 for labor, up to $40 at big tournaments. A lot of pros get free string, but a lot have to pay full price (ie, for luxilon).

Travel and hotels would be the biggest cost for a low-level pro, although high-level ones get free lodging/food/etc. They might even get free travel.

Rogisbestever
04-14-2009, 03:27 AM
i used to be an agent and look after a crew of players - ranked around 90-150 so playing a mix of tour events and challengers and a global travel plan etc...

they were fully sponsored for clothing, shoes, rackets and strings etc but no additional cash to help supplement costs. SOME tournamants include a per diem to help players with travel and accommodation costs but not all.
a tour player of say 110 would be looking roughly around US$80k per year in expenses etc

Skppr05
04-14-2009, 04:15 AM
You don't have to have a coach (and I bet some players split coaches), and every tournament has a trainer so you don't need that either. You just have to pay for their services.

And stringing labor at small tournaments is closer to like $20 for labor, up to $40 at big tournaments. A lot of pros get free string, but a lot have to pay full price (ie, for luxilon).

Travel and hotels would be the biggest cost for a low-level pro, although high-level ones get free lodging/food/etc. They might even get free travel.

Yep, at even smaller events the strings are cheaper too. When I had a personal coach he played in a tournament in Ecuador and got a full luxilon string job for like $7.00

martini1
04-14-2009, 07:38 AM
You don't have to have a coach (and I bet some players split coaches), and every tournament has a trainer so you don't need that either. You just have to pay for their services.

And stringing labor at small tournaments is closer to like $20 for labor, up to $40 at big tournaments. A lot of pros get free string, but a lot have to pay full price (ie, for luxilon).

Travel and hotels would be the biggest cost for a low-level pro, although high-level ones get free lodging/food/etc. They might even get free travel.

$60 only? That's a lot cheaper than I thought (like what P1 would charge per racket). 6-8 rackets per match and 5-6 matches that adds up pretty quickly...

I think if you want to break in the top 150 having a coach dedicated to your game is very important. Top coaches demands top pay, although the family member coach thing has been popular to many successful players.

Trainer is a little different from the tourny doctor type. You need to have a trainer to program your daily work out and diet. When to eat, work out, and rest. What to do to tune up your physic just before the tourny etc. More importantly how to play/not play with injuries etc. Even Federer would need a personal trainer when he doesn't have a coach.

deltox
04-14-2009, 07:47 AM
racquets and strings and clothing are all expenses paid.

travel is the big thing. you pay alot for travel, guessing in excess of 20k per year in flights. (dont forget points and flyer miles)

maybe another 20k per year in hotel expenses.

with an additional 10k in food expenses (which i dont count since you gotta eat no matter what you do for a living)

i can tell you that in my company (traveling show sales) we are in a different part of the US every fri-sunday 36 weeks out of 52 per year.


i will tell you that my hotel bill is rarely more than 250.00 for the weekend so i pay around 9k per year in hotel, except i dont actually. i only pay for 3 out of every 4 nights i stay due to the points plan Which all major hotel chains have now. yes even the waltdorf in NY falls under one of those plans. so i actually pay just over 6400.oo a year in hotel.


so with flights, that should be previously booked so to avoid higher counter prices, hotels, and the possible coach % im guessing a top 150 but not top30 would pay around 55-75k a year in total expenses.


and if you have a coach its almost certainly % of winnings based.

martini1
04-14-2009, 07:47 AM
i used to be an agent and look after a crew of players - ranked around 90-150 so playing a mix of tour events and challengers and a global travel plan etc...

they were fully sponsored for clothing, shoes, rackets and strings etc but no additional cash to help supplement costs. SOME tournamants include a per diem to help players with travel and accommodation costs but not all.
a tour player of say 110 would be looking roughly around US$80k per year in expenses etc

That's a lot of money to burn if one doesn't win beyond 3rd or 4th round...

deltox
04-14-2009, 07:48 AM
Trainer is a little different from the tourny doctor type. You need to have a trainer to program your daily work out and diet. When to eat, work out, and rest. What to do to tune up your physic just before the tourny etc. More importantly how to play/not play with injuries etc. Even Federer would need a personal trainer when he doesn't have a coach.

trainers are advisors who rarely travel with athletes. they come up witht he plans but are not involved in making sure they are carried out on a day to day basis, unless your a top player and can afford it of course.

deltox
04-14-2009, 07:49 AM
That's a lot of money to burn if one doesn't win beyond 3rd or 4th round...

which is why challengers are used to provide the money to pursue the majors.

martini1
04-14-2009, 07:55 AM
trainers are advisors who rarely travel with athletes. they come up witht he plans but are not involved in making sure they are carried out on a day to day basis, unless your a top player and can afford it of course.

That's true. The half good pros are hitting a hump. They can't afford that yet but all the top guys do. It may not make a difference if you are 18 though.

eagle
04-14-2009, 08:12 AM
Don't forget about other things associated with a "regular" job:

- Medical & Dental insurance
- Vision insurance
- Life insurance with a clause/rider for travel since you travel a lot
- last but not least, Uncle Sam. You have to pay taxes. Guess what tomorrow is? :)

r,
eagle

bjk
04-14-2009, 08:45 AM
I've looked at this, and the only way to make money as a pro is to be consistently ranked no lower than 100 . . . that way you can gain direct entry into the majors, and that's about $80,000 right there. Otherwise you're not making a living. It's hard to believe but Vince Spadea is almost at $5 million for his career. Unfortunately he never mentions money in his book, I think a book about "how to make a living on the pro tour" would be interesting . . .

Nanshiki
04-14-2009, 10:22 AM
$60 only? That's a lot cheaper than I thought (like what P1 would charge per racket). 6-8 rackets per match and 5-6 matches that adds up pretty quickly...

I think if you want to break in the top 150 having a coach dedicated to your game is very important. Top coaches demands top pay, although the family member coach thing has been popular to many successful players.

Trainer is a little different from the tourny doctor type. You need to have a trainer to program your daily work out and diet. When to eat, work out, and rest. What to do to tune up your physic just before the tourny etc. More importantly how to play/not play with injuries etc. Even Federer would need a personal trainer when he doesn't have a coach.

Not every player has a *personal* trainer though. Fed can afford a personal *everything* whereas I'm sure a lot of pros go without certain support staff, whereas some probably split the cost.

IIRC Sampras payed $40 in labor, and apparently he spent $50,000 a year on stringing. But that's a guy who cuts out several jobs of VS after a day, every day.

martini1
04-14-2009, 05:58 PM
Don't forget about other things associated with a "regular" job:

- Medical & Dental insurance
- Vision insurance
- Life insurance with a clause/rider for travel since you travel a lot
- last but not least, Uncle Sam. You have to pay taxes. Guess what tomorrow is? :)

r,
eagle

Those on the other hand I think are not huge expenses. Once you turn pro there must be some group discounts from organizations you are in.

Well, everybody pay taxes, but all the charities u do also get u some nice write offs. U don't pay tax when u are in the red, do u? :)

JeMar
04-14-2009, 06:01 PM
Brian Vahely (sp?) wrote a small blurb about the cost of being a pro for Tennis Magazine a few years back. If someone has that issue, it's got a pretty good description of how much it costs to play professionally.

martini1
04-14-2009, 06:06 PM
Not every player has a *personal* trainer though. Fed can afford a personal *everything* whereas I'm sure a lot of pros go without certain support staff, whereas some probably split the cost.

IIRC Sampras payed $40 in labor, and apparently he spent $50,000 a year on stringing. But that's a guy who cuts out several jobs of VS after a day, every day.

Makes u think it must be different for Pete once he retired all these string job must seem kind of expensive for him :lol: I mean he still play with friends at home and he has to play with one week old strings, yikes! :)

martini1
04-14-2009, 06:08 PM
I've looked at this, and the only way to make money as a pro is to be consistently ranked no lower than 100 . . . that way you can gain direct entry into the majors, and that's about $80,000 right there. Otherwise you're not making a living. It's hard to believe but Vince Spadea is almost at $5 million for his career. Unfortunately he never mentions money in his book, I think a book about "how to make a living on the pro tour" would be interesting . . .

I would buy one. Interesting to know how a lot of pros make a living in the out of top 50 positions.

eagle
04-14-2009, 06:24 PM
Those on the other hand I think are not huge expenses. Once you turn pro there must be some group discounts from organizations you are in.

Well, everybody pay taxes, but all the charities u do also get u some nice write offs. U don't pay tax when u are in the red, do u? :)

Unless it is a huge organization that has negotiated a great deal with the insurance company(ies), it is still a pretty penny. Probably not a problem for those who make real money but for those who are simply scraping by, then it is a huge deal. Pay for daily expenses or insurance. Hmmmmmm

If you are in consistently in the red, then it's probably time to hang it up and get a regular job. :)

r,
eagle

deltox
04-14-2009, 06:47 PM
Unless it is a huge organization that has negotiated a great deal with the insurance company(ies), it is still a pretty penny. Probably not a problem for those who make real money but for those who are simply scraping by, then it is a huge deal. Pay for daily expenses or insurance. Hmmmmmm

If you are in consistently in the red, then it's probably time to hang it up and get a regular job. :)

r,
eagle

most likely they are part of the insurance company used by their racquet sponsor


in pro motocross your sponsor covers 100% insurance, disability, accidental death and travel insurance.

JW10S
04-14-2009, 07:01 PM
You're looking at roughly $70,000 minimum to play a full calender of events. It only goes up from there--some of the top players will incur expenses well into 7 figures. That's why you'll hear from players ranked outside the top 100 say their goals are to get into the 4 Grand Slams. With 1st round losers getting $14-$17 grand, getting into all 4 Slams will come close to paying for the year.

eagle
04-14-2009, 07:13 PM
most likely they are part of the insurance company used by their racquet sponsor


in pro motocross your sponsor covers 100% insurance, disability, accidental death and travel insurance.

A lot of top 50 players have sponsors.

How about the 100-200? 500s? 900s? They are so obscure, potential sponsors probably have never even heard of them. :)

So, full or even partial coverage by sponsors for most tour players? I doubt it.

r,
eagle

JW10S
04-14-2009, 07:17 PM
^^^that's why they have unions. The ATP and WTA are essentially the player's unions and offer variuos insurance options.

eagle
04-15-2009, 02:08 AM
We need input from a pro who posts here. Can't remember his name. There was a thread here on TW with him posting his vids.

He needs to provide his insight. All other posts like most would be mere speculation including mine. :)

I'd be curious to know how folks not in the top 500 can compete without going hungry or buried in credit card debts.

r,
eagle

toptalent
04-15-2009, 08:57 AM
From what I know many of the professional players (at least nowadays) come from reasonably wealthy families. It's very expensive to support a child through his junior years, before he even turns a pro. There is a reason people often mention tennis with golf, the rich men's sport.

deltox
04-15-2009, 09:24 AM
A lot of top 50 players have sponsors.

How about the 100-200? 500s? 900s? They are so obscure, potential sponsors probably have never even heard of them. :)

So, full or even partial coverage by sponsors for most tour players? I doubt it.

r,
eagle

you might be surprised how many pros are sponsored, not by tv ads or magazine fold outs.

but just by being given their racquet and clothing. at a slam, virtually any player has a chance to be televised somewhere. even in qualifiers. and their is local tv time for many challengers and 250 events.

oy vey
04-15-2009, 11:39 AM
If you are Andy Murray everything is paid for.

Marc The Shark
04-15-2009, 12:41 PM
I haven't read everything...
But Hotel and transportation (driving from hotel to tournament or around town) is provided by the tournament...
And about the stringing.. Luxilon was charging $30 per racket at the Sony Ericsson Open

Marc The Shark
04-15-2009, 12:46 PM
o and a good way to get around the whole tax thing, one could move to Monaco.. (No income tax ;)

eagle
04-15-2009, 01:23 PM
you might be surprised how many pros are sponsored, not by tv ads or magazine fold outs.

but just by being given their racquet and clothing. at a slam, virtually any player has a chance to be televised somewhere. even in qualifiers. and their is local tv time for many challengers and 250 events.

Hi deltox,

Being given a racquet and clothing is inconsequential compared to the cost of day to day living expenses including but not limited to hotel accommodations, taxi fares and tips, air fares, food, personal supplies, recreation, etc.

Also, having one's face or name plastered on the screen doesn't translate to money in one's pocket. Whether they capitalize on it is another matter altogether.

Also, I'm talking about actually making a living as a pro where you are in the black vs. endlessly scraping by hoping you'd have enough change to get to the next tourney.

Again, just my 2 cents.

All posts are mere speculation unless a touring pro or credible source provides solid substantiated facts.

r,
eagle

Nanshiki
04-15-2009, 01:56 PM
FWIW, Ryler De Heart got somewhere between $5,000 and $10,000 (don't remember exactly) for all the Geico/etc patches that were added to his shirt when he played Nadal... and he got those deals literally hours before going on court.

(and he actually could have gotten more)

So, they DO get paid quite a lot for appearing on TV. Although the big names get HUGE amounts just for showing up, although technically it's for doing kid's events, clinics, press conferences, etc...

OTOH, he just lost in the first round of a Futures that he was the #1 seed in... (but he's recovering from an injury)

Nanshiki
04-15-2009, 01:58 PM
You're looking at roughly $70,000 minimum to play a full calender of events. It only goes up from there--some of the top players will incur expenses well into 7 figures. That's why you'll hear from players ranked outside the top 100 say their goals are to get into the 4 Grand Slams. With 1st round losers getting $14-$17 grand, getting into all 4 Slams will come close to paying for the year.

The top players ride around in private jets, and have many, many support people on their payrolls... private trainers, private stringers, coaches (don't even want to know what a top 10 coach gets paid...), hitting partners, pilots, etc.

Also, don't forgot that a lot of the slam's DECENT prize money in their qualifying tournaments, especially the US Open's qualie; the price money is over $1,000,000.

eagle
04-15-2009, 02:09 PM
Here's a 2007 article on a wta player forced to get out of the tour:

http://www.sportingo.com/tennis/a4183_life-professional-tennis-player

Here's an interesting tally of pro players' prize winnings as of April 2009:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/en/common/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/en/media/rankings/Current_Prize.pdf

Check out the prize winnings of multiple folks tied at rank 1466 thus far. At the rate they're going, they might not even make $1000 this year. I doubt they get any substantial sponsorship either. Definitely in the red. :(

r,
eagle

vmosrafa08
04-15-2009, 03:40 PM
But pros probably don't pay for their racquets, strings, and clothes because they are sponsored. The coaches, trainers, and hotel rooms definitely play a factor, but the coach probably gets paid if the player starts winning, and doesn't take all of their earnings... With sponsorship, and tournament prizes, I don't feel bad for tennis pros.

Nanshiki
04-15-2009, 08:52 PM
A lot pay for their own strings. Full price for some brands actually (Luxilon). The demand for strings is so high that only the very, very top pros get *free* string. Andy Roddick was one of the first players to actually get *paid* to use a certain string. Before that, most of them just got free stuff.

Racquets and clothes are a minor expense. You could theoretically use 10 racquets for over a year, and have fewer sets of clothing, and only spend maybe $1500 on all of that, with pro discounts.

At the moment, transportation is by far the biggest expense... because you can always stay at a crappy hotel, but airfare will cost several times that much.

naylor
04-15-2009, 11:23 PM
In Europe, a lot of younger pros play satellite events they can drive around to.

It's no different from the way European golf pros started in the old days - two or three shared a campervan and drove around from tournament to tournament, and they went together so they sorted out each other's games when something went slightly wrong. They would have had their "coach" back at their home club, but he didn't travel with the player. And potentially, the itinerary would be such that they could stop "at home" for a couple of days between tournaments, to get a quick fix.

I played in the Mallorca Open (golf) pro-am about 12 years ago. It was early in the season, so most of the top golfers were still "on holiday" or they were playing Sun City down in South Africa or in the Far East, so the field was mainly made up of younger pros that - later in the season - would be relegated to play second-tier events. The German pro we played with was sponsored by Audi - so effectively his European travel costs were only "petrol money" - and one of the tournament sponsors was a hotel company (so, accommodation taken care of).

Going back to tennis, in Germany (and probably elsewhere in Europe) there are also big interclub leagues - when players get a decent match fee, plus travel + accommodation. Also, the sons of an ex-pro friend of mine are testing the water - when they're off for a couple of weeks, they go to a tennis ranch (in Europe, Florida, California) and do some coaching, in exchange for board and some cash, and there's usually enough senior coaches there to iron out niggles in their games, and other young touring pros to do some intensive practising in free time.

I guess the tough time is when you get to around 150-200 playing "for fun" like that, and you decide to make the step-change to crack the top 100. If you're lucky, you'll be on the radar screen of your national association, so they'll give you some extra cash for expenses, you'll be dedicated extra personal coaching resources at the national training centre (possibly, with a coach travelling with you at least part of the time) and at the same centre you'll also get the benefit of a trainer, nutritionist, etc. etc.

martini1
04-15-2009, 11:28 PM
From what I know many of the professional players (at least nowadays) come from reasonably wealthy families. It's very expensive to support a child through his junior years, before he even turns a pro. There is a reason people often mention tennis with golf, the rich men's sport.

Tennis in the US is not a rich men's sport. It may be expensive to send the kid to some big training facilities but once the kid is considered to be talented a lot of people are willing to chip in to support a future star. That usually happens when they are still young. By 14-15 if the kid can't produce some results, yes, it would be expensive for the parents to continue to get expensive coaching and have the kid playing tournaments.

A lot of the high schools offer pretty good tennis programs as well. College is a different thing. Most top players should be playing in tour before they hit 20.

It all depends on how good the kid is. For everybody else a mere playing in the courts is cheap (except grass of course). If u just burn your money into joining all kinds of tournament and fancy coaches then it is u that makes it expensive.

martini1
04-15-2009, 11:42 PM
A lot of top 50 players have sponsors.

How about the 100-200? 500s? 900s? They are so obscure, potential sponsors probably have never even heard of them. :)

So, full or even partial coverage by sponsors for most tour players? I doubt it.

r,
eagle

I think by far the 100-200 players have it rough the most. They are doing full time to train and needs to crack into the top 100 fast. And they need to be a rising star of some kind. If somebody is 25 and still going up and down the ladder within 100-200 his/her career would be over very soon.

Those 500~ or 900~ players are just testing the waters (young) or just happy to be in tour (older).

On sponsorship. It really depends. I bet the Harrison brothers are already getting something more than free rackets and discounted strings. Corporate sponsors plan seeds early in the game and bet on future stars as many as they could find. All it takes is just one player (like Nadal) to help you sell millions of rackets (or whatever they are selling). Signing a star when they are top players is very costly and often already too late.

eagle
04-16-2009, 03:07 AM
There is an article on the March 2009 Tennis Magazine on Ryler deHeart who was a part of the 2003 Univ of Illinois NCAA college championship team who decided to turn pro. Article by L. Jon Wertheim on page 20 of said issue.

As written, with a good result, he might come out even. But most times his winnings barely covered stringing fees and gas money.

He later had to undergo arthroscopic surgery for a torn cartilage on his shoulder. Guess what? No insurance coverage from what some folks call the "union". He was lucky his mom had him under her insurance policy. Note that he is 25 yrs of age and can't get insurance on his own. That debunks the idea that you get it from the "union"

Article says also that one hears of players bankrolling their dreams ---- and medical expenses -- on credit cards.

I still contend that unless you are in the upper echelon, the odds are against you to break even, let alone make money.

r,
eagle

madmanfool
04-16-2009, 03:38 AM
Olivier Rochus:

"In maart heb ik 2.000 euro verloren. Ik reis elke week, maar in Florida verdiende ik amper 900 dollar", luidt het.

translation: I lost 2000 euro's in march. I travel every week, but in Florida i made just 900 dollars.

VillaVilla
04-16-2009, 03:59 AM
Does anyone have any info on all the different tournaments outside of the ATP 250, 500, 1000, Grand Slams?

People talk about Challengers, Satellites. What are these and how do they affect ATP rankings etc. (if they do?)

jmverdugo
04-16-2009, 04:11 AM
Only Top100 have the ATP insurance benefit, the other 2000 never get sick or injured. I find this really unfair as the ATP makes a lot of money, at least they should have some basic coverage.

jmverdugo
04-16-2009, 04:14 AM
Does anyone have any info on all the different tournaments outside of the ATP 250, 500, 1000, Grand Slams?

People talk about Challengers, Satellites. What are these and how do they affect ATP rankings etc. (if they do?)

I think there arent any more satellites, just challengers (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/tournaments/challenger/) and futures (http://www.itftennis.com/mens/).

martini1
04-16-2009, 05:02 AM
Only Top100 have the ATP insurance benefit, the other 2000 never get sick or injured. I find this really unfear as the ATP makes a lot of money, at least they should have some basic coverage.

lol then consider the other 2000 players are really part time / trying out under the ATP game. Seriously, only the inner circle makes the money I suppose.

Anyhow, I also think it is not fair for the ATP not even giving them some kind of basic coverage...

eagle
04-16-2009, 05:16 AM
Below is the link to the ATP Tour history and allusion to its charter.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/en/aboutatp/history.asp

No mention of medical or dental benefits to pro tennis players ... at least nothing on that webpage. The webpage primarily emphasizes the organization mission to promote the game, ranking system, parity, and of course sponsorships. It still comes down to money. :)

r,
eagle

martini1
04-17-2009, 06:28 PM
Below is the link to the ATP Tour history and allusion to its charter.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/en/aboutatp/history.asp

No mention of medical or dental benefits to pro tennis players ... at least nothing on that webpage. The webpage primarily emphasizes the organization mission to promote the game, ranking system, parity, and of course sponsorships. It still comes down to money. :)

r,
eagle

Well, that doesn't mean they don't help in covering the players. The website is for the general public and they don't need to list every single details there. Insurance is a must in pro sports. It would be rather stupid for such a well organized tour to let players play without insurance, and more so if these group of players do not get group deals. Insurance companies sponsor tournaments all the time, u know...

deltox
04-17-2009, 06:35 PM
Well, that doesn't mean they don't help in covering the players. The website is for the general public and they don't need to list every single details there. Insurance is a must in pro sports. It would be rather stupid for such a well organized tour to let players play without insurance, and more so if these group of players do not get group deals. Insurance companies sponsor tournaments all the time, u know...

most top athletes have their body parts covered for mega bucks with loyds of london


J Lo has her *** insured for 50 mil. geez


i know from a personal friend that motocross racers are covered by their sponsors, i cannot see how racquet companies are not covering their pro players the same way.. it only makes sense.

eagle
04-17-2009, 07:44 PM
Again, I'm addressing primarily the lowly players in the 500, 1000s rankings and not in the top 100.

If Ryler DeHeart who got to a career high ranking of 208 didn't even have insurance by the union and couldn't afford to get it for himself, then it is highly unlikely folks ranked much lower and end up spending more than they win can afford it or anything else. :(

One can easily romanticize the idea of being a pro player. Sounds like a fun "job" to have. Heck, I'd love to do so also if I had the talent. :) But the realist in me tells me there's a lot more to it than simply showing up and hoping that some saviour of a sponsor will pay my way from one tourney to the next along with everything else. If you're not one of the top tier players who can afford the expenses through prize winnings, appearances, and sponsorships, it's an uphill battle.

2 cents.

r,
eagle

babolat15
04-17-2009, 08:23 PM
bobby reynolds spent 100 grand last year

master935
04-17-2009, 09:26 PM
I'm not sure where you guys get your information, but I read(on the actuall ITF website) that the top tier tournaments are required to provide rooms for the players. travel is all up to the players(of course), and I would assume that if you're NOT in the top 100 you wouldn't be playing a lot of the big tournaments but trying to make a name for yourself in the smaller ones(where you win more)

jmjmkim
04-17-2009, 09:49 PM
It must be hard to travel and keep up if you are not in the top 50 or so. In golf, John Daley drove all night in his station wagon to fill an alternate spot, winning a dream underdog victory. The rest was history, although a short one at that. Being a pro has its ups and downs for sure.

martini1
04-18-2009, 08:28 AM
J Lo has her *** insured for 50 mil. geez



Against what? From getting any bigger? :lol:

deltox
04-18-2009, 09:21 AM
Against what? From getting any bigger? :lol:

hell if i know. talk to loyds if you want further details

martini1
04-18-2009, 05:45 PM
It must be hard to travel and keep up if you are not in the top 50 or so. In golf, John Daley drove all night in his station wagon to fill an alternate spot, winning a dream underdog victory. The rest was history, although a short one at that. Being a pro has its ups and downs for sure.

Let's just say it may be easier to land a movie or TV role in Hollywood than to get into a tournament that gets national air time on TV.:twisted:

petetheileet
04-18-2009, 07:11 PM
The top say 100 in Aust play things like the PRO Circuit and Australian Money Tournaments

these things have local sponsors and the tournaments can have up to 25k in prize money

a big jump from the useless crap we used to have over here.

travel expenses are obviously pretty small and guys not even with a world ranking can make a decent living by going up and down the eastern states playing thees tournaments, being hired out as a hitting partner and doing a bit of coaching.

going the next step though is very bloody hard as we are so far away from everything

Bjorn99
04-19-2009, 02:48 AM
Unless a player has a huge game, with a nine out of ten in everything, playing pro tennis is a grind. The player better love the game a LOT, because he might hate it, after week forty. I sure did. Didn't pick up a racquet for eight years. I had no lateral speed, had EVERYTHING else. Result, journeyman at the global level.

AND THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE GAME EXCEPT FOR THE TOP FIVE.

Underhand
04-19-2009, 02:52 AM
J Lo has her *** insured for 50 mil.

The same for Serena would be at least 100 mil.

Ljubicic for number1
04-19-2009, 03:26 AM
Read a interview with Peter Luczak a couple of years ago when he was ranked about 110 in the world and he was doing it tough, bunking with other similar ranked players to share costs, traveling around on a bus from tournament to tournament with a stringing machine in his suitcase to save stringing expenses etc.

Nanshiki
04-19-2009, 11:36 AM
AND THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE GAME EXCEPT FOR THE TOP FIVE.

Uh, if by "money" you mean "millions and millions and millions of dollars" then I guess, yeah.

CCNM
04-19-2009, 01:34 PM
A while ago I picked up a copy of ESPN magazine at the bookstore, and there was a page where they were interviewing Jill Craybas, and she was discussing what life was like for a lower-ranked player. What stood out for me was when she said that she stays with a family she befriended whenever she plays in Australia.

madmanfool
04-19-2009, 01:46 PM
Read a interview with Peter Luczak a couple of years ago when he was ranked about 110 in the world and he was doing it tough, bunking with other similar ranked players to share costs, traveling around on a bus from tournament to tournament with a stringing machine in his suitcase to save stringing expenses etc.

i think you mean this one:

Long, hard road to the top in tennis
January 14, 2006

While the top-ranked players live in opulence, for others on the way up life is darkened by cheap hotels, tortuous bus rides and cheap air fares. World No. 144 Peter Luczak tells what it takes to make it to the professional tennis circuit.

NO. 144 is not a stratospheric world ranking, but it does mean that Peter Luczak qualifies for more comfortable digs when he dances around a tennis court. It was not always so.

The life of a tennis journeyman is one darkened by cheap hotels, tortuous bus rides and if he hits the jackpot a cheap air fare as he takes his first, tentative steps on the pro circuit. Luczak remembers his first six months on the satellite tennis circuit during a break from college in the United States where he had a tennis scholarship.

Small towns were a speciality and there was a bonus if you got a billet with a local family. Redding, California; Joplin, Missouri; Waco, Texas. "Yes, they have a tournament there," he says. "I think it was quite well run.

"You'd get a little bit scared when you'd come in at night to those towns, though. The Greyhound bus stations always used to be in the ghetto area. I remember one place called the Nash Hotel. It was a nightmare, pretty much everyone in there was a drug addict."

Scoring a bed for the night could turn out to be as competitive as playing a tennis match. "About five or six guys usually shared a room. At night we'd do the rock, paper scissors to see who would get a bed.

"The rules were, if you won (the tennis) that day you qualified to play. If you lost that day, you were automatically sleeping on the floor you could not even qualify for the rock, paper, scissors game."

Five years on, Luczak, who has a wildcard to play in the Australian Open next week, is in more salubrious quarters. It's not five-star, but he is renting a comfortable apartment in Richmond with his friend, Stephen Huss, the doubles specialist who won an unlikely Wimbledon title last year.

At 26, Luczak has yet to win any titles. He achieved his best result in February last year, reaching the semi-final in an Association of Tennis Professionals (ATP) tour event in Brazil. For that he achieved a lofty ranking of 110.

"That was great I was on top of the world," Luczak says. "Every year, I've slowly got better. At the end of 2003, I was 170. Then in 2004, I was about 150. At the start I made bigger leaps. Now, I'm slightly improving my rankings My goal is to be in the top 100 this year."

Twenty-six. For many people, that's the age you are getting started. Finished university, first serious job. More than a few of your peers are probably still living at home you are part of a famously postponed generation.

At 26 on the tennis circuit, you are entering the mature phase of your career. Almost an old man of tennis: make or break time. World No. 1 Roger Federer is 25. Australian Lleyton Hewitt is 24. American Andy Roddick is 23. "I am a late bloomer," says Luczak, who started out hitting nets down the street in suburban Mulgrave, where he grew up.

Luczak's route was the familiar Aussie one: McDonald's Cup, the state junior squad in his early teens Then he flunked out. Dropped from the state team before his mid-teens after a slump.

He was sustained, however, by supportive parents the opposite of the pushy, tennis-parent kind, he says. His parents, Eva and Kris, left Warsaw in 1980 when he was nine months old. They were determined to give their children every opportunity, even if that meant his mother had to work for a time as cleaner in a city hotel and his father, an engineer, took a job as a courier driver. "Dad was always driving me to tournaments and encouraging me, but if I didn't want to play he was fine. Both my parents were pretty sporty. My older sister and I were pretty competitive with each other, and we'd go and play tennis after school."

An inner calm, perhaps modelled on his childhood tennis hero Mats Wilander, also helped shape Luczak's attitudes to life and sport. Early failure was not a setback. "I just loved the way Wilander played. He was always very calm on the court. I just liked his attitude."

His Swedish partner, Katarina, is expecting their first child and he is feeling buoyant as he approaches another Open campaign. It will be his sixth go. In the last two attempts he did not get past the first round. In 2003, he went as far as the third a career highlight.

Last year, despite, his best-ever ranking, he did not progress much in the US or French opens either. As a clay court specialist, he did not qualify for Wimbledon. Grass remains anathema but despite the tennis nay-sayers, his age is not a problem.

"Age is almost irrelevant," Luczak says. "It's how you are feeling, how you are enjoying it and how you are motivated. I know I am 26, but I still feel like I am new and young and eager to get out there.

"I have a baby on the way, and I am really motivated now. I am working extra hard in the gym and in the tennis court."

At 6-7, 7-6, 7-6 on Wednesday, it was universally acknowledged that Luczak had fluffed it. He seemed poised to claim a quarter-final berth in the Sydney International indeed, there were two match points his way but he was vanquished by Igor Andreev, ranked 26th in the world.

He lacks the killer instinct, some of his critics and even friends say. "A lot of guys say I'm too nice, 'you need to get a bit of aggro in you'."

Whether it's world rankings or scores at the end of hard-fought matches, Luczak always inhabits a numbers game. He picks a mix of satellite and more senior tournaments year-round to get the right calculus of earnings to make a living and ATP points to advance in the tennis rankings.

"It's a strategic game, you need to mix up challengers (lesser matches) and ATP tournaments. In challengers there is less money but it's easier to win points to inch up the rankings," he says.

"Right now I've got about 300 ATP points. Lleyton probably has about 3000 or 4000 and Federer has got about 5000 points."

Although he is a regular practice partner for Hewitt and played the Davis Cup last year (another close loss), Luczak is a pragmatist. He does not cast himself as a giant killer on the tennis circuit. He knows the depth of the talent.

"You'd obviously love to be No. 1. Realistically, I don't see myself as No. 1.

"I'd say guys in the top 10 are in a class of their own especially Roger Federer and Lleyton. But between the ranking of 10 and 150, there can be upsets."

With his wildcard, he will be looking for that upset now.

Back in January 2001, he was fighting for his tennis credentials at the Australian Open qualifying round his debut at a Grand Slam. "I remember I started off well," recalls Luczak. "I won the first set, lost the second one and it was starting to get dark it was 9pm or 9.30pm but it was a good atmosphere as I had a lot of friends and family there. I ended up losing 8-6 in the third set."

It was the first taste of a big tournament. This time, he was not staying in a cheap hotel but with his parents at the family home.

At the tennis, everything was a revelation, including the camaraderie of the locker room."You could get free deodorants and shampoos. You could get free drinks out of the fridge and you could get massages and there were cars picking you up, dropping you to and from the courts.

"My parents were driving me in. People were telling me 'why are you driving in, you can get a lift'. I don't think I found that out until after I lost. But I learnt quite quickly after that."

The next year, after deferring his studies in finance (there are still two semesters to go before he gets a degree), there was a summons to be a practice partner for the David Cup round played in Argentina.

"The first day I go there, we went to this expensive restaurant and Davis Cup captain John Fitzgerald said: 'Have whatever you want.' I was ordering the cheapest thing on the menu, though. I didn't realise at the end of the night they pay for it. After that, I was getting the steaks."

To date, Luczak's career earnings are $US250,000 ($A333,000). It's not enough to have the mansions and expensive sports cars his friend Lleyton commands, but it's enough for steak dinners, decent digs and the general expenses of life on the circuit. For the past two years, Luczak has also employed a personal coach, although that relationship recently ended amicably. He also has sponsors who help him out by providing tennis attire he goes through a pair of shoes a week and equipment.

While his family and friends will come to cheer him next week, there are no tennis groupies who will flock to his court. "Guys around my ranking wouldn't see too many groupies," laughs Luczak. "I think in Japan there was one lady who was a bit keen on me. When I was catching the bus to the airport, she was trying to give me a box of chocolates."

Footnotes:

Luczak is ranked 91 at the moment.

The baby is named Sebastian.