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NLBwell
04-19-2009, 11:06 PM
A man, not a machine. For us old guys, we understand. His girlfriend is having a baby. Roger's tennis is not the most important thing in his life now. Mirka ran her life around him and his tennis and now everything is upside down. He finally gets married to her. He has to tend to her now. It can be very stressful tending to a pregnant woman (as us dads know). He's got stress about marriage, about baby, about mood swings and getting ice cream in the night, worries about whether everything will be right with the baby, wondering if they are doing all the correct things for it. Going to ultrasounds, naming the baby, making sure all the things you need for it are bought, are all weighing on his mind. He is a guy who cares a lot about things - and I'm sure he cares deeply about Mirka and his baby - but he is also someone who likes routine and predictability - AND THAT IS NOT HAPPENING NOW. This is why he is more emotional - crying at the Aussie Open, breaking his racket, falling apart in matches.

Ljubicic for number1
04-19-2009, 11:15 PM
oh please, if he is a man he needs to MAN UP

So many excuses

NLBwell
04-19-2009, 11:19 PM
It's not an excuse, it is the facts. I don't care if he wins or loses. Just pointing out that a lot of people don't think of tennis pros as human beings. Did you not get distracted at least a bit from your job when your wife had a baby? If you don't have a job, a wife, and a baby, then you are talking from ignorance.

Pancho G
04-19-2009, 11:24 PM
I hate when people post with worthless headlines, saying nothing. Why don't you read the newspaper or internet and learn how to write a worthwile headline. Your comment was worthy of a meaningful and descriptive headline.

NLBwell
04-19-2009, 11:28 PM
Sorry, I'm just an engineer. Not very thoughtful about titles.

OddJack
04-19-2009, 11:28 PM
I am with you here. He is just emotionally tired, there is no doubt about that and he has every reason to. You reach a point in sports that all it matters is your state of mind. Not your fitness, not your technique, not your strategy. I know it from my personal experience. If you are not 100% committed to it you go down. There is no other way. Especially in tennis and especially when you have hundreds of thousands of eyes on you and when you have exceptionally successful years behind you that you have to keep up with.

But he has to make a choice also, there is no excuse, either you are a father or a historic tennis figure. There is no other way. You cant be committed to both. You got to make the choice now, and when you make the choice you got to go all the way.

Ljubicic for number1
04-19-2009, 11:31 PM
How many wives, babies, weddings etc has he had? The downward spiral hasn't just started.

Other pro players have all these other things going on in their lives. Its part of the human cycle.

Josherer
04-19-2009, 11:33 PM
oh please, if he is a man he needs to MAN UP

So many excuses

Nice name btw! Ljubicic ia doing well!

Ljubicic for number1
04-19-2009, 11:35 PM
Nice name btw! Ljubicic ia doing well!

Should be number 1 by the end of 2010.

NLBwell
04-19-2009, 11:40 PM
How many wives, babies, weddings etc has he had? The downward spiral hasn't just started.

Other pro players have all these other things going on in their lives. Its part of the human cycle.

This is about the present and his emotional state - crying, breaking rackets. You keep trying to make it about Federer not being number one - you still don't get it.
Actually, very few pro players have children. I can't think of any off the top of my head, though I'm sure there must be some others.

Ljubicic for number1
04-19-2009, 11:48 PM
This is about the present and his emotional state - crying, breaking rackets. You keep trying to make it about Federer not being number one - you still don't get it.
Actually, very few pro players have children. I can't think of any off the top of my head, though I'm sure there must be some others.

I don't care where he is ranked, all I am saying is this behavior has been present long before these current life changing events he has got himself into right now.

He has always been crying, he always broke his racquets as a junior and only stopped when he was dominating opponents, now he cant dominate anymore they are returning.

There are many pros with families, give it a rest

NLBwell
04-19-2009, 11:50 PM
you know nothing.

Ljubicic for number1
04-19-2009, 11:53 PM
you know nothing.

Sorry about that, must be because I am not a engineer

Chelsea_Kiwi
04-19-2009, 11:55 PM
There are many pros with families, give it a rest How many with 13 GS, huge pressure, back problems and mono? There not excuses they are reasons. You must be extremely young if you think these things don't affect performance not just in tennis but any event.

Bud
04-19-2009, 11:57 PM
A man, not a machine. For us old guys, we understand. His girlfriend is having a baby. Roger's tennis is not the most important thing in his life now. Mirka ran her life around him and his tennis and now everything is upside down. He finally gets married to her. He has to tend to her now. It can be very stressful tending to a pregnant woman (as us dads know). He's got stress about marriage, about baby, about mood swings and getting ice cream in the night, worries about whether everything will be right with the baby, wondering if they are doing all the correct things for it. Going to ultrasounds, naming the baby, making sure all the things you need for it are bought, are all weighing on his mind. He is a guy who cares a lot about things - and I'm sure he cares deeply about Mirka and his baby - but he is also someone who likes routine and predictability - AND THAT IS NOT HAPPENING NOW. This is why he is more emotional - crying at the Aussie Open, breaking his racket, falling apart in matches.

I didn't think it was possible to fit so many excuses into a single paragraph! :shock:

moonbat
04-20-2009, 12:00 AM
Of course other players have had children, but most of them did not have spouses that doubled as managers. I think it makes a huge difference--much harder to compartmentalize family and career when the two are so intertwined.

Bud
04-20-2009, 12:00 AM
How many with 13 GS, huge pressure, back problems and mono? There not excuses they are reasons. You must be extremely young if you think these things don't affect performance not just in tennis but any event.

You're still on that mono thing... even after I explained to you that mono (in normal people) lasts at most 4 months (from onset until symptoms completely disappear).

All the players have issues suck as injuries and pressure.

No more excuses.

Ljubicic for number1
04-20-2009, 12:05 AM
How many with 13 GS, huge pressure, back problems and mono? There not excuses they are reasons. You must be extremely young if you think these things don't affect performance not just in tennis but any event.


None with 13 slams, so what, he choose his life and the pressure. every player has injuries during a long career of course they effect performance but there is no need to make a song and dance and cry about them, its life.

Geez what about the guys that lost their whole sporting careers from injury. Blowing out knees, back injuries, etc etc.

I am trying not to bag the guy out but come on, he has chosen his destiny, been extremely lucky with injuries through his career and now needs to man up and take the losses.

kimbahpnam
04-20-2009, 12:27 AM
I think Rog is still recovering from ankle injuries in '07 ;)

centercourt8
04-20-2009, 12:39 AM
Its nice to hear a considerate/realistic/ADULT post once in a while, instead of the "this persons rules and everyone else sucks" posts im used to seeing on this forum. I doubt this is 100% of the reason Rogers having a tough time lately, but im positive its an important chunk of it. Well done NLBwell. :)

chief wiggum
04-20-2009, 12:40 AM
I agree. Tennis is not his number one priority, and that is definitely showing right now. And then when he wants to get back to his old form, it will be too late.

Fed Kennedy
04-20-2009, 01:17 AM
yo fed is looking a little fat. hes got that sympathy weight gain from his pregnant wife. this happens to dudes. he's gotta block out some gym time and lay off the kugelhopf

maximo
04-20-2009, 01:18 AM
Well he's not a girl, is he?

Underhand
04-20-2009, 01:32 AM
Maybe Roger and Mirka hava a cat at home, too? Cats can cause lot of troubles, you know, scratching the sofa etc. Maybe it's in Roger's mind during the matches, what that damn cat's doing at home again.

P_Agony
04-20-2009, 01:42 AM
A man, not a machine. For us old guys, we understand. His girlfriend is having a baby. Roger's tennis is not the most important thing in his life now. Mirka ran her life around him and his tennis and now everything is upside down. He finally gets married to her. He has to tend to her now. It can be very stressful tending to a pregnant woman (as us dads know). He's got stress about marriage, about baby, about mood swings and getting ice cream in the night, worries about whether everything will be right with the baby, wondering if they are doing all the correct things for it. Going to ultrasounds, naming the baby, making sure all the things you need for it are bought, are all weighing on his mind. He is a guy who cares a lot about things - and I'm sure he cares deeply about Mirka and his baby - but he is also someone who likes routine and predictability - AND THAT IS NOT HAPPENING NOW. This is why he is more emotional - crying at the Aussie Open, breaking his racket, falling apart in matches.


The baby is still to come however, and Mirka has all the money and support in the world to be a healthy pregnant woman. It might be bothering Fed - I mean, marriage, baby, those are big stuff in anyone's life. Buf I think Fed should really give one more push to at least tie the record this year. His chances won't get any better, he's not exactly improving as a player (in fact his decline is a bit too quick IMO) and this is the time to strike.

nikdom
04-20-2009, 03:31 AM
Maybe Roger and Mirka hava a cat at home, too? Cats can cause lot of troubles, you know, scratching the sofa etc. Maybe it's in Roger's mind during the matches, what that damn cat's doing at home again.

LOL
Seriously though nlbwell, allow me to explain how the world works in engineer-friendly terms.
1. A horse is only as good as it's last race. Lot easier to gloat about the latest and greatest than to defend past glory.
2. When reasons get stale they become excuses. Sorry but you're 2 years too late to the game.
3. You seem to be a nice person. It's of no help on Internet forums. Talk tough, make blanket claims based on your feelings and find others who share your prejudices. Then scratch each others backs and trash everyone else. Otherwise your posts will stick out like a nail inviting a hammering.

4. You can always be a nice guy in real life. That's where it counts most.

Ljubicic for number1
04-20-2009, 03:40 AM
Maybe Roger and Mirka hava a cat at home, too? Cats can cause lot of troubles, you know, scratching the sofa etc. Maybe it's in Roger's mind during the matches, what that damn cat's doing at home again.


Gold.............................................

P_Agony
04-20-2009, 04:09 AM
Maybe Roger and Mirka hava a cat at home, too? Cats can cause lot of troubles, you know, scratching the sofa etc. Maybe it's in Roger's mind during the matches, what that damn cat's doing at home again.

Post of the year material here. Ha ha.

origmarm
04-20-2009, 04:33 AM
Maybe Roger and Mirka hava a cat at home, too? Cats can cause lot of troubles, you know, scratching the sofa etc. Maybe it's in Roger's mind during the matches, what that damn cat's doing at home again.

13 Grand Slams and the thing still p*sses on my couch! No respect!

Mirka we have to get rid of this goddam furrball!

Superbo! :)

pound cat
04-20-2009, 06:15 AM
"Pride goes before a fall"

and for you religious types


Pride precedes disaster. An elliptical version of proverbs xvi. 18 (AV) Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.


Federer is a man with a huge EGO and it's taking a beating right now.

No wonder he's crying and smashing his racket.

veroniquem
04-20-2009, 06:20 AM
It's not an excuse, it is the facts. I don't care if he wins or loses. Just pointing out that a lot of people don't think of tennis pros as human beings. Did you not get distracted at least a bit from your job when your wife had a baby? If you don't have a job, a wife, and a baby, then you are talking from ignorance.
How come when Agassi and McEnroe had kids, they still played well? Can we forget about the cheap tabloid type excuses?

veroniquem
04-20-2009, 06:26 AM
I don't care where he is ranked, all I am saying is this behavior has been present long before these current life changing events he has got himself into right now.

He has always been crying, he always broke his racquets as a junior and only stopped when he was dominating opponents, now he cant dominate anymore they are returning.

There are many pros with families, give it a rest
Very sensible post.

vtmike
04-20-2009, 06:30 AM
Well he's not a girl, is he?

HAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO!!!! How can you be so funny ALL the freakin time!!! Unbelievable!! You should be a stand up comic...I am sure you would become an instant millionare!! You are special buddy!

Ljubicic for number1
04-20-2009, 06:36 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO!!!! How can you be so funny ALL the freakin time!!! Unbelievable!! You should be a stand up comic...I am sure you would become an instant millionare!! You are special buddy!


Oh now I understand his posts. I thought he really did think Muzza was the greatest clay courter ever, but now I realize its all part of his comedy act. Thanks for the heads up.

jmverdugo
04-20-2009, 06:39 AM
How come when Agassi and McEnroe had kids, they still played well? Can we forget about the cheap tabloid type excuses?

But Fed is still playing well, just not to his standards, he will take out any other out of the top 5, obviousy he is declining and others are getting better this is the reality, as any other great player on the past and as will happen to any other great player on the future, time have no mercy.

maximo
04-20-2009, 09:34 AM
HAHAHAHAHAHA LMAO!!!! How can you be so funny ALL the freakin time!!! Unbelievable!! You should be a stand up comic...I am sure you would become an instant millionare!! You are special buddy!

Are you alright?

Doesn't seem like it to me...

maximo
04-20-2009, 09:36 AM
Oh now I understand his posts. I thought he really did think Muzza was the greatest clay courter ever, but now I realize its all part of his comedy act. Thanks for the heads up.

Don't put words in my mouth, it will only make you look worse.

vtmike
04-20-2009, 09:38 AM
Are you alright?

Doesn't seem like it to me...

So you don't think you're funny?

maximo
04-20-2009, 09:44 AM
So you don't think you're funny?

You haven't answered my question. :roll:

vtmike
04-20-2009, 09:50 AM
You haven't answered my question. :roll:

I am ok...and I was just applauding you for your amazing comedic skills...but apparently you think you're not that funny...how will you succeed as a standup comic if you don't believe in yourself?

maximo
04-20-2009, 09:56 AM
I am ok...and I was just applauding you for your amazing comedic skills...but apparently you think you're not that funny...how will you succeed as a standup comic if you don't believe in yourself?

Your ironic remarks are very crap indeed.

vtmike
04-20-2009, 10:02 AM
Your ironic remarks are very crap indeed.

There you go again...very funny indeed!! You truly are a diamond in the rough...

maximo
04-20-2009, 10:08 AM
There you go again...very funny indeed!! You truly are a diamond in the rough...

not funny.

CCNM
04-20-2009, 10:14 AM
How does that song go? A baby changes everything....

Nadal_Freak
04-20-2009, 11:15 AM
Roger's trying as hard as he can. He is just not good enough anymore.

mandy01
04-20-2009, 11:21 AM
Roger's trying as hard as he can. He is just not good enough anymore.
....since you know so much about Roger's current game from the technical view point :roll:

David_Is_Right
04-20-2009, 11:28 AM
There you go again...very funny indeed!! You truly are a diamond in the rough...

This little exchange made me quite uncomfortable...

Nadal_Freak
04-20-2009, 11:32 AM
Roger is always very determined. It is depressing for him to start losing despite giving 100%. You feel the worst when you realize your best is not good enough anymore. Example is Roger's breakdown after the Australian Open.

Chelsea_Kiwi
04-20-2009, 07:13 PM
How come when Agassi and McEnroe had kids, they still played well? Can we forget about the cheap tabloid type excuses? He is having a kid once Mirka has it he will return to his best. :wink:

deltox
04-20-2009, 07:33 PM
How many wives, babies, weddings etc has he had? The downward spiral hasn't just started.

Other pro players have all these other things going on in their lives. Its part of the human cycle.

name one pro player in the top ten with a baby on the way or already in family.

your baseless accusations and hatred is childish and unbecoming as an adult,

simply put, grow up dude

deltox
04-20-2009, 07:36 PM
How come when Agassi and McEnroe had kids, they still played well? Can we forget about the cheap tabloid type excuses?

because those 2 are MENTAL GIANTS! in 100 years they will still be remembered as the little train who could when everyone said they couldnt. agassi is not comparable to ANYONE ever in tennis. he pulled off things noone else on earth could do. once in a generation you get an agassi, next one isnt due for another 40-60 years.

WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis
04-20-2009, 07:48 PM
Well, I just had to say I stopped reading most of the posts along this thread from the childrenless ***** who expect emotionless rigidity from top tennis players.

Yes, Federer's game had been confounded by the up and comers who roared up, and in some cases, past him like Nadal.

Tennis is not the "end all be all", and the drivel about either you have to chose to be totally top player or part family man is total complete and highly smelly drivel. I don't know how that person came to the conclusion that what they think or say should be so for everyone else. Too unreal.

One can be professional completely and dedicated to their profession and believe in it wholely, but when your first child is on the way...you would be an A+ a**hole if you totally shoved it off, and way less than a real man if it didn't emotionally affect (being in that emotions affect physical, mental and every aspect of your being).
Besides some of the given examples of top tennis players who kept playing had very different personality types than Roger. Am not a fan of Roger, and I agree with the ones who said this wasn't just the only part of his slighting off recently but....

I don't think change of a relationship, marriage or impending parenthood was the only thing which affected him, its as I stated above, but it has affected him and should, as ANY parent with a heart who cares for their mate deeply will tell you.

Parenthood affects EVERYONE differently. It is just so stupid and juvenile to me these ones who compare person to person as to how THEY THINK someone should behave. That's not tabloid, thats life. Maybe your read TOO many tabloids to the point you all are apathetic and over critical. Widen your mind, get one, and realize people don't fit into your own little opinions of how you THINK they should behave.

Beasty54
04-20-2009, 07:53 PM
oh please, if he is a man he needs to MAN UP

So many excuses

Little harsh.


While I think you have a point, the other stuff is obviously weighing on him.

lightning.lu10
04-20-2009, 07:55 PM
Ever since Federer lost to Nadal at Wimbledon, he's been going downhill. The loss made him start to doubt himself (if only a little bit), and grew every match he struggled or lost. Barring a miracle, I don't think Federer will ever return to the top again, maybe win one or two more slams, but never again be dominant. He lost his air of invincibility at Wimbledon.

ChipNCharge
04-20-2009, 07:59 PM
...the other stuff is obviously weighing on him.

What's weighing on him is the fact he realizes that he's probably the third or fourth best player in the world right now.

WillAlwaysLoveYouTennis
04-20-2009, 08:03 PM
Maybe Federer díd lose his invincibility and will never be no.1 again, those are very creditable and possibilities that I also agree with. I think he can keep in the top but not surpass it right now, and time is ticking for him. But the overharsh, juvenile and flat out stupid comments a number of people have made above about the OP's introductory post and idea in general just goes to show that many people don't know how to put things in perspective, and just like to rag, bash and complain. I think it shows something about those ones and don't let it bother me. There are a lot of people in the world like that, and generally have an empty way of laughing, if you know what I mean.

120mphBodyServe
04-20-2009, 08:38 PM
Thanks for keeping the Pro Player Discussion section a model for mature and reasonable behaivour.
*Shakes fist @ the *****...*

tenis
04-20-2009, 09:58 PM
Maybe Roger and Mirka hava a cat at home, too? Cats can cause lot of troubles, you know, scratching the sofa etc. Maybe it's in Roger's mind during the matches, what that damn cat's doing at home again.

Just soooo stupid.

Underhand
04-20-2009, 10:23 PM
Just soooo stupid.

http://assets1.klicknation.com/daily/images/photos/lolcats/1480/1480.jpg

papucla10
04-20-2009, 11:00 PM
This little exchange made me quite uncomfortable...

Yea I know sometimes this people fight like kids.

COPEY
04-20-2009, 11:51 PM
I think this is probably one of the most insightful posts I've seen in this forum:


Seriously though nlbwell, allow me to explain how the world works in engineer-friendly terms.
1. A horse is only as good as it's last race. Lot easier to gloat about the latest and greatest than to defend past glory.
2. When reasons get stale they become excuses. Sorry but you're 2 years too late to the game.
3. You seem to be a nice person. It's of no help on Internet forums. Talk tough, make blanket claims based on your feelings and find others who share your prejudices. Then scratch each others backs and trash everyone else. Otherwise your posts will stick out like a nail inviting a hammering.

4. You can always be a nice guy in real life. That's where it counts most.

I can't speak for Agassi - would have to research the info, but as a McEnroe fan, he did not continue to play well after he had a family/kids. In fact, he was never the same after taking a hiatus from the game in '86. During his "time out" he married Tatum, and they had their first child that same year. Sure, he won a couple of tournaments (2 or 3 I think) and picked up a few doubles titles with Stich & Woodforde, but compared to what the kind of player he was in '84, there was none - that McEnroe was long gone.

Years later in the twilight of his career before he retired, he confessed that prior to having a family tennis was the only thing that mattered. He learned after having a family that there was infinitely more important things in life, and after a while, accepted the fact that he would never recapture his past glory. He accepted the fact that if he could get a big win here and there, make a few deep runs into the draw that MAYBE he would get lucky and be in position to win a slam, but otherwise he was a family man that played tennis - not "just a tennis player".

So if you mean by making it into a few quarters and semis he continued to play well, then yes, I suppose you could make an argument along those lines, but based on what he expected of himself, it simply wasn't so.

I think there's something to be said for the pressures of life having an impact on Roger's game, but I also think there are several other factors in the mix as well. I think it was vtMike that said this year is the time to strike, and I agree. Does that mean if he doesn't win a slam this year you can stick a fork in him? No, but time certainly isn't his friend, and as I've said before, for a guy that everyone (including Pete, Nadal, Laver, and host of other current and past tennis greats) thought was primed to end up with close to 20 slams, now there's serious doubt if he'll supplant Pete as the all-time GS king. I still think it's possible, but boy o' boy...things aren't boding well for him at this stage of the game.

If he still has ideas about being no. 1 again, I think it'll begin to fade after he has his son/daughter (if not before). I do believe surpassing Pete will be what ultimately drives him, forces him to train hard, maybe get that coach to help him with his game, etc. Still, from what I can recall off the top of my head with respect to top level (i.e. 1, 2, 3) players and family, the two don't necessarily mesh too well.