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ezdude1970
04-21-2009, 06:52 AM
For a while now, people have been talking about a wave a great talent coming from France. And one would think there is some legitimacy to that conversation. With 4 French players cementing their place in top 25 in the world, and 3 out of 4 occupying 9 through 11 spots. The question has been raised are they a grand slam and master series events material?

It saddens me to say that except Tsonga who has been showing some good results, none of them are good enough to hold some big Trophies at the end of the week. I think what is missing in all of them is the heart of the champion. My prediction between 4 players mentioned above:

Grand slams: # 0

ATP Master Series: #2 or 3 (mostly Tsonga)

jimbo333
04-22-2009, 03:19 PM
I prefer the Muskerhounds:)

egn
04-22-2009, 03:54 PM
mark my words...okay don't but if Monfils starts to use that forehand of his he will have a lot of success.

Tennis360
04-22-2009, 05:04 PM
I still have faith in Gasquet - at 22, I will not write him off yet....these days, he's down but I'm HOPING for one big win to improve the confidence level and start from there.

kungfusmkim
04-22-2009, 06:23 PM
The fact that they are in the same age group is the good part. It reminds me of the whole Sampras, Courier, Agassi, Chang era. I think there is definate room for improvement. Each one of these guys have a different style of play which is quiet amusing.

GameSampras
04-22-2009, 06:27 PM
They are pretenders IMO. Certainly not worthy of slams. . Tsonga cant stay healthy but he does have quite a bit of talent but is unable to channel that talent properly. Same goes for Monfils. But I question Monfils' motivation quite a bit of the time. Gasquet another talented player but has done nothing with it . Doubtful any of these guys will ever win anything big. At least slams. They have had their chances. But are lagging far behind the top 4 in the world. They have talent but cant seem to put it all together to be big time players.

tacou
04-22-2009, 07:47 PM
Tsonga is pretty much in his 3rd season. He has PLENTY of talent and when healthy uses it pretty well. if he can play whole seasons for a while I see him making big noise at W and USO

ezdude1970
04-24-2009, 06:14 AM
The fact that they are in the same age group is the good part. It reminds me of the whole Sampras, Courier, Agassi, Chang era. I think there is definate room for improvement. Each one of these guys have a different style of play which is quiet amusing.

Very interesting observation, comparing this group with young Americans of the 90's. However, if this group of French player wants to be considered a Hall of Fame material they have a lot of ground to cover. Here is interesting comparison.

As of April 2009:
Grand Slams ATP Masters
Simon 0 0
Monfils 0 0
Tsonga 0 1
Gasquet 0 0
Total 0 1

As of April 1995:
Sampras 5 8
Courier 4 5
Chang 1 5
Agassi 3 6
Total 13 24

shadows
04-24-2009, 06:42 AM
The fact that they are in the same age group is the good part. It reminds me of the whole Sampras, Courier, Agassi, Chang era. I think there is definate room for improvement. Each one of these guys have a different style of play which is quiet amusing.

definately, it's always nice to see them watching each others matches and so on as well, you get a real feeling of camaraderie at times and I think there's got to be some friendly competition there which helps.

Tsonga will be back top 10 before the USO, Monfils will drop down through injury but I think it might give him some time to think on a few things and he'll come back strong, Simon is hard to work out but seems in a slump lately and Gasquet, well what's left to be said about him xD

@ez, tsonga won the masters in paris last year right?

ezdude1970
04-24-2009, 07:04 AM
definately, it's always nice to see them watching each others matches and so on as well, you get a real feeling of camaraderie at times and I think there's got to be some friendly competition there which helps.

Tsonga will be back top 10 before the USO, Monfils will drop down through injury but I think it might give him some time to think on a few things and he'll come back strong, Simon is hard to work out but seems in a slump lately and Gasquet, well what's left to be said about him xD

@ez, tsonga won the masters in paris last year right?

yes, and made it to AO final!

shadows
04-24-2009, 07:06 AM
I was just referring to your comparative list where you'd missed it off ^^

not that it radically alters the message heh, they definately aren't in the same sort of league yet xD

thejoe
04-24-2009, 07:09 AM
Very interesting observation, comparing this group with young Americans of the 90's. However, if this group of French player wants to be considered a Hall of Fame material they have a lot of ground to cover. Here is interesting comparison.

As of April 2009:
Grand Slams ATP Masters
Simon 0 0
Monfils 0 0
Tsonga 0 0
Gasquet 0 1
Total 0 1

As of April 1995:
Sampras 5 8
Courier 4 5
Chang 1 5
Agassi 3 6
Total 13 24

Someone doesn't know their facts. Gasquet has never won a Masters event. He has been to two finals, Hamburg and Toronto. Tsonga won Paris last year.

ezdude1970
04-24-2009, 07:17 AM
Someone doesn't know their facts. Gasquet has never won a Masters event. He has been to two finals, Hamburg and Toronto. Tsonga won Paris last year.

i corrected my typo, does not change the total though!

tintin
04-24-2009, 08:56 AM
I don't remember either Fish,nor Blake,nor Ginepri winning jack either:roll:

if these boys can stay healthy they will make the 2nd week in ALL 4 majors(maybe not Tsonga since clay is the surface were he plays the worse)

Blake has yet to make it to the semis of a major and he's 29 if not 30 while Tsonga made the Aussie finals last year

Gasquet made the semis at Wimbledon 2 years ago

Monfils made the semis in Paris

the frenchies have age on their side and unlike their American counterpart;as much as they might not like the hard courts;they don't punk away from playing on it like Blake;Fish;Ginepri do for the clay and grass court seasons;hard court specialists don't win jack anymore and it hasn't happend in years now and it won't happend anytime soon:roll:

Frenchies:ALL-surface players >>>American hard court specialists!

ezdude1970
04-24-2009, 12:45 PM
I don't remember either Fish,nor Blake,nor Ginepri winning jack either:roll:

if these boys can stay healthy they will make the 2nd week in ALL 4 majors(maybe not Tsonga since clay is the surface were he plays the worse)

Blake has yet to make it to the semis of a major and he's 29 if not 30 while Tsonga made the Aussie finals last year

Gasquet made the semis at Wimbledon 2 years ago

Monfils made the semis in Paris

the frenchies have age on their side and unlike their American counterpart;as much as they might not like the hard courts;they don't punk away from playing on it like Blake;Fish;Ginepri do for the clay and grass court seasons;hard court specialists don't win jack anymore and it hasn't happend in years now and it won't happend anytime soon:roll:

Frenchies:ALL-surface players >>>American hard court specialists!


You bringing a good point, unfortunately you completely missed or misunderstood everything I was trying to say. I am not comparing 4 Musketeers with Blake, Fish or Ginepri. Even a blind person should know they are much better, younger and should produce better results at this point of their careers. If you have not notice there other guys that dominate the tennis world and you would hope that should be a measuring stick to any player who dedicated his life to the game of tennis. I mistakenly thought that in competitive sport you want to measure yourself up to the players that are better than you, but you telling me that players that are ranked 5 thru 25 in the world should feel good about their performance, because they are doing better than 3 washed up Americans in their late 20s?

I guess I got it all wrong!

tennis-hero
04-24-2009, 03:32 PM
team america in the 90s were wayy too awesome for their own good

they had to go throgh the roddick/blake era just to realise what they had in the 90s

might never be another crew like Sampras and Co

deltox
04-24-2009, 03:37 PM
a healthy monfils (poor guy has some serious bad luck with stuff) can easily win several masters events in his career, with an outside slam possibility.