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rich01
04-22-2009, 12:32 PM
ncode technology was clearly superior to the 'K' series. The results speak for themselves...

RCCTigertennis
04-22-2009, 12:52 PM
wow. my eyes are bleeding just from the sight of this post.
please. inform yourself.
thanks.
-Me.

OliverSimon
04-22-2009, 01:02 PM
No way...he should start using a wooden racquet

JediMindTrick
04-22-2009, 01:15 PM
To switch back he would need to have used it in the first place.

ahile02
04-22-2009, 01:18 PM
if my memory serves me right, the man has gotten to the final of the last 4 grand slams, winning one. i think the racquets not the major problem. while i do wonder how he would do with a slightly bigger headsize, i dont think ncode's better than kfactor at all

Bobble
04-22-2009, 01:35 PM
surely the ncode paint couldn't have weighed much different than the Kfactor paint.

yikes

wilfreb
04-22-2009, 01:59 PM
i think the problem is in the head size, to small for now days.

BreakPoint
04-22-2009, 02:02 PM
ncode technology was clearly superior to the 'K' series. The results speak for themselves...
But not for Federer since he never used the nCode 90. It was a K90 under that red and white paintjob all along. :shock:

rich01
04-22-2009, 02:10 PM
Just a HINT of sarcasm.

Of course I know he uses a yonex, what do you think I am, stupid?

sixone90
04-22-2009, 02:36 PM
*face palm*

RoddickAce
04-22-2009, 02:40 PM
I think the switch was a mistake, just cuz he was used to that racquet. But switching back probably won't help much now that he's used to this racquet.

quest01
04-22-2009, 04:00 PM
There isn't really a huge difference between the Ncode and Kfactor for him to switch to a different racquet and paintjob. Anyways the K90 in performance and paintjob is superior to the N90.

S H O W S T O P P E R !
04-22-2009, 04:35 PM
No way...he should start using a wooden racquet

He should have Wilson make a diamond-encrusted stick ftw.

ayuname
04-22-2009, 04:42 PM
Wilson already did that. But for show.

http://www.tennischannel.com/diamondracquet/diamond_racquet02.jpg

OliverSimon
04-22-2009, 05:52 PM
Face-palm m

chief wiggum
04-26-2009, 10:37 AM
I don't think the racquet made him as good as he was.

tennis_hand
04-27-2009, 06:34 AM
maybe the K really doesn't help his games. but the main problem is still his current match form. u'll never know.

zebra77
04-27-2009, 07:36 AM
ncode technology was clearly superior to the 'K' series. The results speak for themselves...

You are absolutely correct, in fact the Cortex and woofer tech are better for him to win the French Open :)

By the way, how long have you played tennis?

brownbearfalling
04-28-2009, 12:11 AM
Nice picture of the diamond racquet

l_gonzalez
04-28-2009, 10:00 AM
Fed needs to steal a couple of Stepanek's Bosworth frames, i reckon they would be perfect for him!

Jchurch
04-28-2009, 05:21 PM
It is the same racket he has been using for years. No difference

star 5 15
04-28-2009, 07:04 PM
these threads about federer switching racquets drive me crazy. he is using a pj. the same one he has used since he was like 15 and for crying out loud HIS RACQUET IS NOT HIS PROBLEM.

tvp900
04-29-2009, 07:17 AM
i think the problem is in the head size, to small for now days.

I agree completely. He needs to step up to the 95 square inch headsize. These days he's shanking more than ever.

JBennett
04-29-2009, 09:26 AM
Fed's racket really has nothing to do with recent results, he is slipping out of his prime while the top competition like Rafa, Djockovic, and Murray all are beginning to enter theirs.

To be honest he most likely is using the exact same racket he has been, just changed the paint to market for the new models. It's going to be a frustrating year for him.

tennis_hand
04-30-2009, 05:43 AM
Fed's racket really has nothing to do with recent results, he is slipping out of his prime while the top competition like Rafa, Djockovic, and Murray all are beginning to enter theirs.

To be honest he most likely is using the exact same racket he has been, just changed the paint to market for the new models. It's going to be a frustrating year for him.

no denying about this.

but since his form is slipping, having a larger racket will help him, not saying the racket is the reason he slipped.

Grampy
05-01-2009, 07:20 AM
no denying about this.

but since his form is slipping, having a larger racket will help him, not saying the racket is the reason he slipped.

Have you held up the k90 and k95 over each other? Its hard to see the difference in head size. Its like 1/8th inch difference around the perimeter bigger. I don't see how this small difference would help much, especially considering if your hitting the ball that close to the frame, it'll be a shank with either racquet. In fact, I'd rather frame the ball with the k90 as it has a flat beam and seems less likely to send the ball into the fence (IMO of course).

BreakPoint
05-01-2009, 09:43 AM
but since his form is slipping, having a larger racket will help him, not saying the racket is the reason he slipped.
When Agassi's game started slipping in the latter part of his career, he switched to a SMALLER racquet and it helped his game. Perhaps Federer should try the same thing?

Mick
05-01-2009, 11:03 AM
When Agassi's game started slipping in the latter part of his career, he switched to a SMALLER racquet and it helped his game. Perhaps Federer should try the same thing?

yeah but agassi went from a big racquet to a smaller racquet.
federer is already using a small racquet -- there is not a racquet in production that is smaller than the k90 is there? the k88 is actually larger.

BreakPoint
05-01-2009, 11:59 AM
yeah but agassi went from a big racquet to a smaller racquet.
federer is already using a small racquet -- there is not a racquet in production that is smaller than the k90 is there? the k88 is actually larger.
Federer could dig out his old PS 6.0 85's from the attic at his parents house. ;)

Rycat0624
05-01-2009, 02:01 PM
please, just put this thread to bed. Its not going to happen, and no one cares. Fed is still the best, and going to a bigger head size wont make a difference, if not hurt him.

So, yeah...

jelle v
05-01-2009, 02:08 PM
I actually do believe that there is a difference between the racket with nCode-paintjob and kFactor paintjob that he used/uses.

I said it before and will say it again, the paintjob-switch back in '07 and the start of his decline tenniswise at the same time, are just too coincidental to me. (And yes, I know his result at AO '07, but even during that tournament I already said that his forehand looked "of").

Ow and yes, I have read the thread(s) about how he supposedly never changed rackets, the arguments however don't convince me. His game after the switch speaks for itself.

Pwned
05-01-2009, 02:31 PM
I actually do believe that there is a difference between the racket with nCode-paintjob and kFactor paintjob that he used/uses.

I said it before and will say it again, the paintjob-switch back in '07 and the start of his decline tenniswise at the same time, are just too coincidental to me. (And yes, I know his result at AO '07, but even during that tournament I already said that his forehand looked "of").

Ow and yes, I have read the thread(s) about how he supposedly never changed rackets, the arguments however don't convince me. His game after the switch speaks for itself.

AO 07 FH off??!?! That Roddick match was utter annihilation and Roddick was playing great.

jelle v
05-01-2009, 02:38 PM
AO 07 FH off??!?! That Roddick match was utter annihilation and Roddick was playing great.

Yes.. as I said, I know the results of that tournament, but during that tournament I already noticed and talked with my friends about how Federer didn't play great that tournament.

BreakPoint
05-01-2009, 06:32 PM
I actually do believe that there is a difference between the racket with nCode-paintjob and kFactor paintjob that he used/uses.

I said it before and will say it again, the paintjob-switch back in '07 and the start of his decline tenniswise at the same time, are just too coincidental to me. (And yes, I know his result at AO '07, but even during that tournament I already said that his forehand looked "of").

Ow and yes, I have read the thread(s) about how he supposedly never changed rackets, the arguments however don't convince me. His game after the switch speaks for itself.
And Federer also won Wimbledon and the US Open and the Master's Cup in '07 with the K90 paintjob, as well as beating Nadal on clay with a nice fat bagel in Hamburg and giving Nadal a run for his money at the French Open.

What was more than coincidental with Federer's drop off was the fact that he got mono at the beginning of '08. Nothing to do with his racquet.

Mansewerz
05-01-2009, 06:44 PM
He should. It was a much prettier paintjob.

tennis_hand
05-01-2009, 10:09 PM
Have you held up the k90 and k95 over each other? Its hard to see the difference in head size. Its like 1/8th inch difference around the perimeter bigger. I don't see how this small difference would help much, especially considering if your hitting the ball that close to the frame, it'll be a shank with either racquet. In fact, I'd rather frame the ball with the k90 as it has a flat beam and seems less likely to send the ball into the fence (IMO of course).

i read this comment many times before. comparing it on top of each other is meaningless for playing.

jelle v
05-02-2009, 01:10 AM
And Federer also won Wimbledon and the US Open and the Master's Cup in '07 with the K90 paintjob, as well as beating Nadal on clay with a nice fat bagel in Hamburg and giving Nadal a run for his money at the French Open.

What was more than coincidental with Federer's drop off was the fact that he got mono at the beginning of '08. Nothing to do with his racquet.

The reason why he won so much in '07 wasn't because he played such good tennis. His level of play was already noticably lower than in '06. '07 was when the shanking began to be honoust (spelling?). That he was still able to win so much, was because he was still ahead of the field, but not so much anymore. In '07 nothing seemed wrong with him physically, only his level of play bothered me. In '08 you could see the effect that mono had on him physically.

Wildcat tennis 11
05-02-2009, 07:13 AM
I hate when people say he needs to switch raquets. if he can win wimbledon and the us open with it he can beat anybody. Federer just needs to get some help on his game against young people like nadal or djockovic.

ilikephobo
05-02-2009, 07:56 AM
I hate when people say he needs to switch raquets. if he can win wimbledon and the us open with it he can beat anybody. Federer just needs to get some help on his game against young people like nadal or djockovic.

agreed. but maybe fed is just approaching the end of the line. =/
i hope not.

stoble
05-02-2009, 10:03 AM
I remember Greg Raven coming to the conclusion that Federer was using the N90 with a modification to the string spacing in the PWS region of the frame. Now the consensus is that Federer is using the K90 to his specs.

But aren't these 2 different racquets? One was Ncoded or whatever the hell that means and one is Karophite (again whatever that means)

BreakPoint
05-02-2009, 10:15 AM
I remember Greg Raven coming to the conclusion that Federer was using the N90 with a modification to the string spacing in the PWS region of the frame. Now the consensus is that Federer is using the K90 to his specs.

But aren't these 2 different racquets? One was Ncoded or whatever the hell that means and one is Karophite (again whatever that means)
Only the retail versions were different. Federer has always used the K90. Now the retail version of the K90 is the same one that Federer uses. This wasn't the case before they released the K90 to the public.

csr_88
05-02-2009, 11:18 AM
Have you held up the k90 and k95 over each other? Its hard to see the difference in head size. Its like 1/8th inch difference around the perimeter bigger. I don't see how this small difference would help much, especially considering if your hitting the ball that close to the frame, it'll be a shank with either racquet. In fact, I'd rather frame the ball with the k90 as it has a flat beam and seems less likely to send the ball into the fence (IMO of course).

i think i remember reading somewhere(may well have been on here) that he actually practices hitting his groundies closer to the frame(on either side).

so if that is true, than questioning the racket is wrong

West Coast Ace
05-02-2009, 02:03 PM
These thread are a howl. Between the racket is the problem and the exact time that Fed's game started to slide, the tin hat crowd is having a field day.

Repeat after me: Fed has long strokes; long strokes are more likely to be slightly off; the older you are the more likely you are to be just a little late. Mix in a little loss of confidence - to the top 4 - and some lack of patience with retrievers (Simon) - with a smidge of wind, and you have a top player hitting a lot more shanks than he ever did and losing matches that he seemingly had in the bag.

I think most of these people think Tupac Shakur, Elvis, and Jimmy Hoffa play Texas Hold 'Em every week with Ronald Reagan and JFK. :)

dugger5688
05-05-2009, 07:50 PM
Yes.. as I said, I know the results of that tournament, but during that tournament I already noticed and talked with my friends about how Federer didn't play great that tournament.

*facepalm*

Federer dismantled the entire field that year (AO 2007)

defrule
05-05-2009, 08:11 PM
Actually I find my shanks are terrible with the box beam n90.

swedechris
05-06-2009, 02:16 AM
To switch back he would need to have used it in the first place.

Correct.. :)

Cenc
05-06-2009, 03:24 AM
he shouldnt change anything except his view of the game, i mean, his problem is mental, not his game, not his racket
i personally played with all the "heavy" wilsons from old pro staff to n90 to k90 and now kpro staff
and all of them have lots of things in common
n90 and k90 are quite similar as well, not some enormous differences, kfactor is a very good racket
however i believe that only difference in feds racket then and now is colour

jelle v
05-06-2009, 03:52 AM
*facepalm*

Federer dismantled the entire field that year (AO 2007)

*double facepalm*

There is/can be a difference between the way you play and the result. Compared to his 2006 form, Federer was already missing a lot of forehands that tournament. He was still miles ahead of the field, but his form wasn't as great as in 2006 imo.

JBennett
06-11-2009, 07:32 AM
So now that he captured the FO, should he still switch back to the n code?
Maybe TW should start having IQ tests before they allow posts...

the Town Sherif
06-11-2009, 10:42 AM
at the time, his ncode was a modification of the retail ncode. turns out that modification became available as the K90 in a retail version

Rabbit
06-11-2009, 11:05 AM
If Federer wants to win the French Open, he will only be able to do so with a 95 square inch fr.....huh?....do what?....he won?

Nevermind

nCode747
06-11-2009, 06:02 PM
Wilson should go back to nano coding the graphite molecules. All that K really screws up the racquet.

martini1
06-11-2009, 06:48 PM
ncode technology was clearly superior to the 'K' series. The results speak for themselves...

This should be a sticky labelled as "how to get some cheap attention"

1. post an one liner (or two)
2. which doesn't make sense
3. never really explain it
4. and not checking the facts
:):)

btaylor
09-26-2010, 10:01 PM
What I find interesting about all of these theories is...why aren't more pros shanking as much as Roger?!:confused:

baseline_monster
09-26-2010, 10:47 PM
Some verbal diarrhoea going on here, what a stupid thread. Maybe he was at the top of his game as it was about 6 years ago.................. my god ignorance to facts of the sport

Povl Carstensen
09-27-2010, 02:41 AM
What I find interesting about all of these theories is...why aren't more pros shanking as much as Roger?!:confused:

He takes the ball early, has a small racket, perhaps something in the way he hits which I cant quite analyze. Its worked quite well for him though.

aimr75
09-27-2010, 04:06 AM
What I find interesting about all of these theories is...why aren't more pros shanking as much as Roger?!:confused:

What I find interesting about all of these theories is...why aren't more pros winning majors as much as Roger?!:confused:

Dave M
09-28-2010, 01:33 PM
Federer could dig out his old PS 6.0 85's from the attic at his parents house. ;)

I just found the mental image of him calling down to his parents from the loft saying:
"what do you mean they aren't here?You sold them? who is this erricson and why has he got my frames?"
quite amusing!

Roddickfan155
09-29-2010, 11:46 AM
you do realize roger federer has used the same racquet for like 10 years..paintjobs are the only thing that changes..he doesnt use the "technologies" that come out with every frame line..just uses the paintjob..

hpaiste
09-29-2010, 03:35 PM
Hahaha all of you guys... Fed has always used a custom stick, just a paint job. For all we know, he's probably just using a PS90.

flyinghippos101
09-29-2010, 06:42 PM
Hmm...I wonder if Nadal's racket stopped working in latter 09' and early 10...

marosmith
09-29-2010, 08:00 PM
Only the retail versions were different. Federer has always used the K90. Now the retail version of the K90 is the same one that Federer uses. This wasn't the case before they released the K90 to the public.

Yeah, Federer was just using the real Karophite black the whole time.

Thanks for letting us know!

li0scc0
09-29-2010, 08:03 PM
you do realize roger federer has used the same racquet for like 10 years..paintjobs are the only thing that changes..he doesnt use the "technologies" that come out with every frame line..just uses the paintjob..

The BLX is the KFactor is the nCode anyway.
They are all paintjobs of the same racquets.

BreakPoint
09-30-2010, 12:24 AM
Yeah, Federer was just using the real Karophite black the whole time.

Thanks for letting us know!
There is no such thing as "Karophite Black". It's a marketing name made up by Wilson for graphite. They first called it "Karbon Black" but when they got sued by a company that made "Carbon Black", Wilson quickly changed the name to "Karophite Black". If you look around, you may find some early production of retail K90's with the name "Karbon Black" on them instead of "Karophite Black".