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krosero
04-24-2009, 06:58 PM
Sky Sports covered this match on the copy I have, and they gave Sampras and Rafter far more than the clean winners. I don't know if their judgment calls were mostly on serves or other shots, so I'll just lay out my numbers and the network's.


Sampras d. Rafter 6-2, 6-4, 7-5. It was in Munich, a week after their Davis Cup match in Washington DC.

Rafter had beaten Korda the day before in his semifinal, 9-7 in the fifth after saving match points in the fourth set.

The hosts said the court was very fast. Sampras had said that the court was playing faster than grass.


By my count:

Sampras won 96 points overall, Rafter 65.

SERVICE

Sampras won 61 of 69 points on serve: 38 of 44 on first serve (86%) and 23 of 25 on second (92%).

Rafter won 57 of 92 points on serve: 40 of 55 on first serve (73%) and 17 of 37 on second (46%).

Sampras double-faulted after winning his first 20 points on serve, including all 16 in the first set.


Sampras served at 64%, making 44 of 69 first serves. By set:

7/16
16/23
21/30

Rafter served at 60%, making 55 of 92 first serves. By set:

12/22
24/36
19/34


Sampras converted 4 of 9 break points, Rafter 0 of 1.

Sampras made his first serve on the only break point he faced. Rafter made his first serve on 3 of 9; he was broken twice on first serve and twice on second.


Sampras served 12 aces and 24 other unreturned serves, 5 of which I judged as service winners.

Rafter served 6 aces and 26 other unreturned serves, 5 of which I judged as service winners.

Sampras served 1 df, Rafter 3.


WINNERS

Sampras made 28 clean winners apart from serves: 6 FH, 8 BH, 7 FHV, 6 BHV, 1 overhead.

Rafter made 13 clean winners apart from serves: 1 FH, 2 BH, 3 FHV, 7 BHV.


Sampras made 9 return winners (5 BH), all passes. He made 5 other passing shots (3 BH).

Rafter made no return winners, and 1 FH pass.

(Early in the third, Sky Sports had Sampras leading 10-0 in passing shots. I have the same number if I include his return winners.)


Sky Sports' winners and unforced errors

Sampras was credited with 60 winners, Rafter with 38.

The judgment calls I make in my stats tend to track well with American networks and with matches done by Leo Levin. In this match I gave each man 5 judgment calls, all on serves, so by that method Sampras would get only 45 total winners, Rafter 24.

This is the first time I've seen stats from Sky Sports, and it's an indication that winners may be done quite differently elsewhere.

And the ue's were rather low: Sampras was credited with only 7 for the entire match (none in the first set), Rafter with 12.

One of the announcers (Gerry Williams or Bill Threlfall) saw how low the ue's were and said that he never believes UE stats anyway. He added (paraphrasing), letís not even look at that stat.

380pistol
04-24-2009, 09:28 PM
Hella thanks on this one. It's a good look! Any other "official" stats as you note Sky Sports do not seem to be on point??

krosero
04-24-2009, 09:55 PM
Hella thanks on this one. It's a good look! Any other "official" stats as you note Sky Sports do not seem to be on point??They gave the same service percentages and success on first and second serve, that I got. But those are the objective stats. I'm kind of reconciling myself to winners not being an objective stat. A clean winner, yes, is an objective way to count. But judgment calls always enter into the picture -- and then they're always different.

380pistol
05-11-2009, 11:32 PM
Do you know how many service games hat Sampras held at love? I think it was 7 of the 1st 9. I know he had 10-12 love games in the 2000 Wimbledon F, despite serving 12 doubles.

krosero
05-12-2009, 06:33 AM
Do you know how many service games hat Sampras held at love? I think it was 7 of the 1st 9. I know he had 10-12 love games in the 2000 Wimbledon F, despite serving 12 doubles.It was 7 of the first 8 (including the first five), and 10 altogether. Rafter had 3 love games himself.

I never got service stats for the Wimbledon match, just went with the numbers from the print media and the ATP.

obsessedtennisfandisorder
05-12-2009, 06:36 AM
yeah i remember the grand slam cup...pretty tough playing all those 5 setters
over four or five days even though it's indoors. Obviously pete was onfire
and you would think subconsciously pretty ****ed off he lost the US Open that summer....

Rate the DC victory much higher knowing rafter was fresh and he gives everyhting in DC.

Sampras was not a good matchup for rafter anyways..(who is LOL) but
om that speed surface rafters return wouldn't trouble pete.

nfor304
05-15-2009, 10:09 PM
I do on court statistics at the Sydney international and Australian Open, and the tournaments use these as their official stats, and broadcasters pick up these stats as well. Some networks may do their own stats though, especially if they are covering an overseas tournament

380pistol
05-15-2009, 11:04 PM
I do on court statistics at the Sydney international and Australian Open, and the tournaments use these as their official stats, and broadcasters pick up these stats as well. Some networks may do their own stats though, especially if they are covering an overseas tournament

Is there a site or would you have any information whereon could get Australian Open stas through the years. Thanks.