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dincuss
04-29-2009, 08:25 PM
If Safin changed to a mid+ instead of a mid he would be able to win more matches. Think about it logically, Bigger Head = Less Shank, Less Shank = Less Mad, Less Mad = Better tennis playing.

But seriously, when I tried changing head sizes my shanks decreased and I could play liek a pro

THIS WAS A JOKE THREAD

Fliparoni
04-29-2009, 08:36 PM
I don't know.... I've been watching Safin's matches at IW, Miami, and Monte Carlo and the vast majority of his errors were from hitting it long, and not from shanking. Also, his serving is down in the pits as well.

MarrratSafin
04-29-2009, 08:43 PM
That backhand won't be as legendary with a bigger headsize.:neutral:

Serpententacle
04-29-2009, 09:12 PM
Maybe he just ought to fix his head.

Fearsome Forehand
04-29-2009, 09:12 PM
I think, for some time, Safin has needed to change heads, not head sizes. ;o)

He is retiring soon anyway so his racket choice is a moot point. He has always used a Prestige even when it was painted with Dunlop graphics.

The Head Prestige is about as good as a racket can get. Safin's racket was never his problem. He is just sort of flakey by nature.

aimr75
04-29-2009, 09:28 PM
:roll: ................

127mph
04-29-2009, 09:37 PM
no man, you know how strong and how hard he hits the ball, if he switched up, he wouldnt be making it in the lines.

NotSoSuper
04-29-2009, 09:37 PM
Nope he just needs to stop choking

ci2ca
04-29-2009, 10:08 PM
Lol, once again I believe that Talktennisers should not make assumptions and recommendations of what pros should use. They're pros they have access to whatever they want. They would change if they needed to, etc.

SFrazeur
04-29-2009, 10:29 PM
The problem is with his own head, not his racquet head.

-SF

nhat8121
04-29-2009, 10:58 PM
yeah, he does need to fix his head size.

!Tym
04-29-2009, 11:21 PM
I don't know.... I've been watching Safin's matches at IW, Miami, and Monte Carlo and the vast majority of his errors were from hitting it long, and not from shanking. Also, his serving is down in the pits as well.

That's always been his problem...hitting long, not shanking. He's got very clean, efficient technique. There isn't a lot go wrong in terms of making clean ball contact. His problem is that his movement/foootwork especially is not as crisp as it once was, he also has gone from what I considered one of the more reliable nerves under pressure in previous years, to a guy with questionable nerves lately. But that is normal as players age and lose confidence. There's a saying that Navratalova often likes to point out. When you're young, you don't think so much, you just hit it hard. The older you get, the more you realize how fallible you are, the more you OVER think things, the more you begin to realize how easy it is to miss rather than thinking about the opportunity.

You get older and you start to tense up, because you're protecting your BRAND name, your IMAGE, your MARQUEE, your *established* REP now more so than focusing on just doing what you need to do to actually win matches. When you overthink you don't take the straight line approach anymore, you go in circles.

This said, the main problem I see with Safin is that he never really learned to hit with margin. His game was always hit or miss since when he first burst onto the scene and was being compared to Ivan Drago. The thing is, he was more fearless back then. He went for his shots more fluidly and "in the moment." Dude's developed mental blocks now.

Safin doesn't really have a fall back play other than to blast the lines without fear. Like I said, that is a YOUNG man's game. It's not that you lose the capability to play that way when you get older so much (come on, what is he forty? Not even close, he's still young *enough*), it's that and time again you see tennis players actually begin to go in reverse after awhile. There is an optimal balance where youth/athletic prime meets experience and composure...but once you start getting on the wrong side of that line, it's like a tenuous teeter totter.

Players when they get older in tennis quite typically begin to lose their nerve. They no longer pull out close winnable matches anymore, they blow big leads, etc. At this level, when the opportunity is there you MUST walk through the hoop, because if you don't your opponent is NO DOUBT *more than good enough* to take the opportunities you didn't take. Former top guys on the wrong side of twenty stop doing that more and more for whatever reason.

I felt for Agassi, the problem was that he became TOO defensive. He would ONLY go for the 1/2 to 3/4 pace rally ball, but he lost the nerve, lost the tempestuousness, to PULL THE TRIGGER anymore his last few years. I felt in several big close matches he lost, he lost them because when those pivitoal swing points came up, he decided to rely on his fitness, the PERCENTAGE player, NEVER risking going for the INSPIRED play only to watch the other younger player eventually beat him with the inspired play after a long hard point in which they were on the wrong end of Agassi's yo-yo. Several times, the match would be snatched from his grasp at the last second because of that. He would get them on the yo-yo, and go ok, this is what I've been training for, it's all in the blue print, the percentages are on my side, BUT in the BIGGEST of matches, the other guys would have that inner reserve to FOIL that well-scripted plan, and GO THE EXTRA MILE. And because they were willing to take the risk, and to BREKA THE CHAIN, they would inevitably BREAK THROUGH on the key points more than Agassi would and win in the end.

It's SUCH a fine line at this level.

With Safin, he still goes for his shots, but he's not able to MENTALLY stay in it till the end. I feel like he loses his nerve, almost like he's tempting fate he feels if the points go long and he can't put it away clean on the first two or three balls. If you saw him in his first marquee match against Agassi at the French as a complete unknown, the guy was BALLS TO THE WALLS, TOE TO TOE, with Agassi from start to FINISH on points, many of which were long and enthralling. He's not able to maintain that level of nerve, that mindset anymore, not for the DURATION of the point at least.

This is what happens to players who've lost confidence (...especially, when you're talking about a wild, wild west stylized showdown/"gun slinger" "strategist" like Safin). You can CLEARLY see this happening in Federer these days against Nadal. He'll go 3/4 quarters of the way on a point, but he doesn't FINISH the point. When Nadal makes the inevitable "miracle" get, it's almost like Federer's body/mind freezes that split second, hesitates, doubts itself, and that's all it takes, ball by him...brilliant point construction up to that point was for zilch.

I think the biggest thing is that when you lose confidence, you don't lose the ability to hit one, two, or three good shots in a row anymore, you lose the ability to hit the FOURTH good shot in a row. That's where you mind oh so subtly, but imperceptively BAILS on you, SABBOTAGES you.

Safin's problem ain't the racket. He either has to adjust his technique and learn to hit with more spin for margin, or keep doing what made him great (i.e. a potent mixture of hard + flat + a going for broke like a broken record attitude)...BUT with better NERVE.

Motherwasp
04-30-2009, 01:33 AM
He is one the cleanest strikers of the ball out there, sublime. So in answer to the OP, no ;)

Arvid
04-30-2009, 06:09 AM
Right now it seems that hes not very interested in playing tennis, and well he shouldnt play then! Stop playing and make a comeback when you get the urge back to play again. If he continues like this its not gone be good for anyone. Rather do what Agassi did, he didnt feel like playing tennis, so he stopped until he got the urge back, then he started playing challengers, got himself in shape and actually had the best moments of his career.....

Fedace
04-30-2009, 06:22 AM
If Safin changed to a mid+ instead of a mid he would be able to win more matches. Think about it logically, Bigger Head = Less Shank, Less Shank = Less Mad, Less Mad = Better tennis playing.

But seriously, when I tried changing head sizes my shanks decreased and I could play liek a pro

If you talk to anyone, Safin is the biggest ball striker out there. if he goes to bigger head, more trampoline like effects and more balls flying long, which in turn means Getting Madder and breaking more rackets and Retiring even sooner....:)

matchmaker
04-30-2009, 06:38 AM
Safin and his PC600 are a perfect fit. He hits the ball as clean as can be. No other racquet would enable him to take such huge cuts at the ball with confidence.

His problem, as many have pointed out, is mental. I don't even think he is not enjoying tennis anymore. He is able to play brilliantly for a set and a half at least, but he does not like competition anymore. He crumbles under pressure, even though he is a double break up in the final set.

imalil2gangsta4u
04-30-2009, 12:42 PM
idk, but try something! we need you marat!

nadal for number1
04-30-2009, 01:38 PM
um absolutely no is the answer.
he defenitely has a mental rather than technical problem

swedechris
04-30-2009, 01:58 PM
He should change head.

The size dont matter..LOL

ogruskie
04-30-2009, 02:31 PM
I LOVE the ignorance of some posters here thinking that getting a bigger racquet means playing better.

During last year's Wimbledon somebody was discussing Safin's training (forgot who). He said that Safin has switched coaches, TRIED ALL RACQUET SIZES, changed his other equipment, and so on but absolutely nothing made him play better. Ultimately he needs to fix his head, not his equipment.

FedererForehand
04-30-2009, 03:06 PM
Let me guess... Agassi should also have used a larger head size too.

cork_screw
04-30-2009, 03:36 PM
hmmm yeah i guess it's not his mental game that's messing him up, nor is it his lack of motivation or aging body. I guess we should blame it on the headsize. He's been playing with the same 93 since he started when he beat sampras and federer and was #1 with great potential and success. He just isn't a mentally stable player, why do we get questions like these again? ughhh.... I don't want to be mean, but please do some analytical work before posting, blaming equipment is usually never the answer, unless your strings break.

lefty10spro
04-30-2009, 06:52 PM
Marat is not the biggest ball striker out there. The forehand is down right puny compared to many of the best fhs today. He has always had flawed technique on that side. Watched from up close in Miami this year when he lost a monstrous 3rd set lead to Monfils. He needs to crowd the ball more on the fh side and meet it more to the side and not so far in front. This is why it has always looked awkward and tends to sail on him as many have pointed out. I am a teaching pro with 30 years in the biz. Pass on this great free advice to the talented Russian if anyone out there knows the big man.

alextennis0805
04-30-2009, 06:54 PM
i think he needs to relax for a while and then come back later on in the year maybe he will play better.I dont think its because of his head size

gj011
04-30-2009, 06:56 PM
Bigger head size - easier to brake. So yes, he should switch.

gymrat76
04-30-2009, 09:28 PM
Once you play PC600..you can't go back

vandre
04-30-2009, 09:53 PM
That's always been his problem...hitting long, not shanking. He's got very clean, efficient technique. There isn't a lot go wrong in terms of making clean ball contact. His problem is that his movement/foootwork especially is not as crisp as it once was, he also has gone from what I considered one of the more reliable nerves under pressure in previous years, to a guy with questionable nerves lately. But that is normal as players age and lose confidence. There's a saying that Navratalova often likes to point out. When you're young, you don't think so much, you just hit it hard. The older you get, the more you realize how fallible you are, the more you OVER think things, the more you begin to realize how easy it is to miss rather than thinking about the opportunity.

You get older and you start to tense up, because you're protecting your BRAND name, your IMAGE, your MARQUEE, your *established* REP now more so than focusing on just doing what you need to do to actually win matches. When you overthink you don't take the straight line approach anymore, you go in circles.

This said, the main problem I see with Safin is that he never really learned to hit with margin. His game was always hit or miss since when he first burst onto the scene and was being compared to Ivan Drago. The thing is, he was more fearless back then. He went for his shots more fluidly and "in the moment." Dude's developed mental blocks now.

Safin doesn't really have a fall back play other than to blast the lines without fear. Like I said, that is a YOUNG man's game. It's not that you lose the capability to play that way when you get older so much (come on, what is he forty? Not even close, he's still young *enough*), it's that and time again you see tennis players actually begin to go in reverse after awhile. There is an optimal balance where youth/athletic prime meets experience and composure...but once you start getting on the wrong side of that line, it's like a tenuous teeter totter.

Players when they get older in tennis quite typically begin to lose their nerve. They no longer pull out close winnable matches anymore, they blow big leads, etc. At this level, when the opportunity is there you MUST walk through the hoop, because if you don't your opponent is NO DOUBT *more than good enough* to take the opportunities you didn't take. Former top guys on the wrong side of twenty stop doing that more and more for whatever reason.

I felt for Agassi, the problem was that he became TOO defensive. He would ONLY go for the 1/2 to 3/4 pace rally ball, but he lost the nerve, lost the tempestuousness, to PULL THE TRIGGER anymore his last few years. I felt in several big close matches he lost, he lost them because when those pivitoal swing points came up, he decided to rely on his fitness, the PERCENTAGE player, NEVER risking going for the INSPIRED play only to watch the other younger player eventually beat him with the inspired play after a long hard point in which they were on the wrong end of Agassi's yo-yo. Several times, the match would be snatched from his grasp at the last second because of that. He would get them on the yo-yo, and go ok, this is what I've been training for, it's all in the blue print, the percentages are on my side, BUT in the BIGGEST of matches, the other guys would have that inner reserve to FOIL that well-scripted plan, and GO THE EXTRA MILE. And because they were willing to take the risk, and to BREKA THE CHAIN, they would inevitably BREAK THROUGH on the key points more than Agassi would and win in the end.

It's SUCH a fine line at this level.

With Safin, he still goes for his shots, but he's not able to MENTALLY stay in it till the end. I feel like he loses his nerve, almost like he's tempting fate he feels if the points go long and he can't put it away clean on the first two or three balls. If you saw him in his first marquee match against Agassi at the French as a complete unknown, the guy was BALLS TO THE WALLS, TOE TO TOE, with Agassi from start to FINISH on points, many of which were long and enthralling. He's not able to maintain that level of nerve, that mindset anymore, not for the DURATION of the point at least.

This is what happens to players who've lost confidence (...especially, when you're talking about a wild, wild west stylized showdown/"gun slinger" "strategist" like Safin). You can CLEARLY see this happening in Federer these days against Nadal. He'll go 3/4 quarters of the way on a point, but he doesn't FINISH the point. When Nadal makes the inevitable "miracle" get, it's almost like Federer's body/mind freezes that split second, hesitates, doubts itself, and that's all it takes, ball by him...brilliant point construction up to that point was for zilch.

I think the biggest thing is that when you lose confidence, you don't lose the ability to hit one, two, or three good shots in a row anymore, you lose the ability to hit the FOURTH good shot in a row. That's where you mind oh so subtly, but imperceptively BAILS on you, SABBOTAGES you.

Safin's problem ain't the racket. He either has to adjust his technique and learn to hit with more spin for margin, or keep doing what made him great (i.e. a potent mixture of hard + flat + a going for broke like a broken record attitude)...BUT with better NERVE.


excellent post, sir!

i gotta agree with alot of the other posters on this: no way on the racquet change, especially if this is indeed his last season on the tour. if it really is the last year for safin, the season would be over before he even totally adapted to the new racquet.

i think the others have it right: safin's problem is with the head on his shoulders not the one on his racquet.

Kobble
04-30-2009, 10:03 PM
That's always been his problem...hitting long, not shanking. He's got very clean, efficient technique. There isn't a lot go wrong in terms of making clean ball contact. His problem is that his movement/foootwork especially is not as crisp as it once was, he also has gone from what I considered one of the more reliable nerves under pressure in previous years, to a guy with questionable nerves lately. But that is normal as players age and lose confidence. There's a saying that Navratalova often likes to point out. When you're young, you don't think so much, you just hit it hard. The older you get, the more you realize how fallible you are, the more you OVER think things, the more you begin to realize how easy it is to miss rather than thinking about the opportunity.

You get older and you start to tense up, because you're protecting your BRAND name, your IMAGE, your MARQUEE, your *established* REP now more so than focusing on just doing what you need to do to actually win matches. When you overthink you don't take the straight line approach anymore, you go in circles.

This said, the main problem I see with Safin is that he never really learned to hit with margin. His game was always hit or miss since when he first burst onto the scene and was being compared to Ivan Drago. The thing is, he was more fearless back then. He went for his shots more fluidly and "in the moment." Dude's developed mental blocks now.

Safin doesn't really have a fall back play other than to blast the lines without fear. Like I said, that is a YOUNG man's game. It's not that you lose the capability to play that way when you get older so much (come on, what is he forty? Not even close, he's still young *enough*), it's that and time again you see tennis players actually begin to go in reverse after awhile. There is an optimal balance where youth/athletic prime meets experience and composure...but once you start getting on the wrong side of that line, it's like a tenuous teeter totter.

Players when they get older in tennis quite typically begin to lose their nerve. They no longer pull out close winnable matches anymore, they blow big leads, etc. At this level, when the opportunity is there you MUST walk through the hoop, because if you don't your opponent is NO DOUBT *more than good enough* to take the opportunities you didn't take. Former top guys on the wrong side of twenty stop doing that more and more for whatever reason.

I felt for Agassi, the problem was that he became TOO defensive. He would ONLY go for the 1/2 to 3/4 pace rally ball, but he lost the nerve, lost the tempestuousness, to PULL THE TRIGGER anymore his last few years. I felt in several big close matches he lost, he lost them because when those pivitoal swing points came up, he decided to rely on his fitness, the PERCENTAGE player, NEVER risking going for the INSPIRED play only to watch the other younger player eventually beat him with the inspired play after a long hard point in which they were on the wrong end of Agassi's yo-yo. Several times, the match would be snatched from his grasp at the last second because of that. He would get them on the yo-yo, and go ok, this is what I've been training for, it's all in the blue print, the percentages are on my side, BUT in the BIGGEST of matches, the other guys would have that inner reserve to FOIL that well-scripted plan, and GO THE EXTRA MILE. And because they were willing to take the risk, and to BREKA THE CHAIN, they would inevitably BREAK THROUGH on the key points more than Agassi would and win in the end.

It's SUCH a fine line at this level.

With Safin, he still goes for his shots, but he's not able to MENTALLY stay in it till the end. I feel like he loses his nerve, almost like he's tempting fate he feels if the points go long and he can't put it away clean on the first two or three balls. If you saw him in his first marquee match against Agassi at the French as a complete unknown, the guy was BALLS TO THE WALLS, TOE TO TOE, with Agassi from start to FINISH on points, many of which were long and enthralling. He's not able to maintain that level of nerve, that mindset anymore, not for the DURATION of the point at least.

This is what happens to players who've lost confidence (...especially, when you're talking about a wild, wild west stylized showdown/"gun slinger" "strategist" like Safin). You can CLEARLY see this happening in Federer these days against Nadal. He'll go 3/4 quarters of the way on a point, but he doesn't FINISH the point. When Nadal makes the inevitable "miracle" get, it's almost like Federer's body/mind freezes that split second, hesitates, doubts itself, and that's all it takes, ball by him...brilliant point construction up to that point was for zilch.

I think the biggest thing is that when you lose confidence, you don't lose the ability to hit one, two, or three good shots in a row anymore, you lose the ability to hit the FOURTH good shot in a row. That's where you mind oh so subtly, but imperceptively BAILS on you, SABBOTAGES you.

Safin's problem ain't the racket. He either has to adjust his technique and learn to hit with more spin for margin, or keep doing what made him great (i.e. a potent mixture of hard + flat + a going for broke like a broken record attitude)...BUT with better NERVE.I thought Safin hit with more margin when he first came out. However, he moved very well back then. Now, I think he feels like he has to go for his shots too much. His loss to Monfils was simply nerves, though. He didn't overplay his shots, he just felt too much pressure on his serve, and missed first serves.

Toxicmilk
04-30-2009, 10:50 PM
If nadal played with a mid half the board would go crazy.

dincuss
05-01-2009, 03:04 PM
I LOVE the ignorance of some posters here thinking that getting a bigger racquet means playing better.

During last year's Wimbledon somebody was discussing Safin's training (forgot who). He said that Safin has switched coaches, TRIED ALL RACQUET SIZES, changed his other equipment, and so on but absolutely nothing made him play better. Ultimately he needs to fix his head, not his equipment.

This was a joke thread/poll :D

In case your wondering