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gzhpcu
05-11-2009, 09:47 PM
Since I had posted this in the Federer training thread, thought to put it in a separate thread, because it might be missed...


In an interview with the Swiss newspaper "Tagesanzeiger", Federer said he is very close to a turnaround...

What he said was roughly that he is now ready to win a sand court tournament. In Monte Carlo, he said, he just wanted to see how his game was. In Rome, he was looking a bit more ahead. Now, he says, he feels he has the game to win and his goal is to win the title in Madrid. Said that since Madrid higher up is, the balls will be faster and bounce higher,so that will help his serve and he can play aggressively.

He has been training his serve a lot, he said, along with his footwork and working on his defensive game. Said, he feels it is all coming together and he feels better each day. Says he had a tough start of the season but feels that he is now very close to turning things around.

source: http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/sport/te...story/13152108

iamgoat
05-11-2009, 09:50 PM
Mark my words, Federer will win Madrid.

icedevil0289
05-11-2009, 09:52 PM
Mark my words, Federer will win Madrid.

well he's definitely not winning now.

Mick
05-11-2009, 09:57 PM
federer should not say things like this, it would only bring more pressure on him to perform. it's fine if he can pull it off but if he doesn't, it's going to be tough to take.

Blinkism
05-11-2009, 10:05 PM
Oh wow, Federer's never said he's going to win a tournament before it even started ever before!!

He's great at predicting! Remember when he said he thought 2008 was his year to win the French Open?

He totally didn't get a breadstick and a bagel in the final from Nadal!!!

veroniquem
05-11-2009, 10:11 PM
Federer loves putting maximum pressure on his shoulders and bragging about doing things he has no idea if he can do. I am really making superhuman efforts to refrain from calling him a complete idiot.

Bud
05-11-2009, 10:14 PM
With the way the Madrid clay courts are fast and high-bouncing I don't see it happening.

icedevil0289
05-11-2009, 10:15 PM
:rolleyes:Federer loves putting maximum pressure on his shoulders and bragging about doing things he has no idea if he can do. I am really making superhuman efforts to refrain from calling him a complete idiot.

oh no, fed said his goal was to win a tournament, what an utter and complete idiot. I guess he shouldn't have goals anymore.

Nadal_Freak
05-11-2009, 10:18 PM
With the way the Madrid clay courts are fast and high-bouncing I don't see it happening.
The key word is high-bouncing though I don't know if it is that high-bouncing. I think Rome was higher and slower. But we'll see how Nadal does. That usually is a good barometer on how high bouncing a surface is. ;)

gzhpcu
05-11-2009, 10:35 PM
Yet another article on Federer and Madrid...
http://www.blick.ch/sport/tennis/rogers-optimismus-118891

"My goal is to win the tournament. The objective is set high, but certainly possible if I play well". he said.

In contrast, Rafa Nadal said in Madrid, "I don't know whether or not I will win the first round. I am not even thinking about quarter or semifinals".

Murray in Madrid: "I am not so good on sand. Consequently I can only think about the first round. Anything else does not make sense".

LanceStern
05-11-2009, 11:10 PM
God forbid Federer looks ahead and sets a goal to win a tournament.

Federer loves putting maximum pressure on his shoulders and bragging about doing things he has no idea if he can do. I am really making superhuman efforts to refrain from calling him a complete idiot.

I guess Nadal was an idiot when at the AO2009 he was blogging about "I'm not leaving without the trophy" before the finals?

veroniquem
05-11-2009, 11:15 PM
:rolleyes:

oh no, fed said his goal was to win a tournament, what an utter and complete idiot. I guess he shouldn't have goals anymore.
He's really setting himself up for intense criticism if he doesn't win it now. What is the benefit of saying that kind of stuff? He will have all the time to say it if he qualifies for the final. Instead of that he's placing the bar really high straight away. His goal shoud be to play a good first round.

veroniquem
05-11-2009, 11:18 PM
God forbid Federer looks ahead and sets a goal to win a tournament.



I guess Nadal was an idiot when at the AO2009 he was blogging about "I'm not leaving without the trophy" before the finals?
I doubt Nadal ever said that. It is not his style at all. Maybe you're referring to a commercial that was shown on TV and pretended to be his blog. That was just a promo and had nothing to do with Nadal's actual blog. Nadal doesn't say such things and even if he did, before the final would be better timing than before the tournament starts when you should focus on getting past your first rounds.

gj011
05-11-2009, 11:19 PM
This is not smart from Federer. He is getting desperate.

He indeed have a cakewalk draw yet again, so he might make it to the final indeed, but still saying something like this after he didn't win a Masters for almost two years is just, well, not smart.

BorisBeckerFan
05-11-2009, 11:23 PM
It's good to be confident but clearly Fed isn't in a good place mentally right now. The people around him who care for him should get together and plan an intervention to salvage what's left of his tennis playing days. Just kidding.

Lotto
05-11-2009, 11:29 PM
Well to be honest he should be making the final. He has an "easy" enough half like. He can still beat any player in the world on any surface except for 3 on hard, 2 on clay and possibly 1 on grass.

And he has Murray in his half. No big deal on clay for him to be honest. Although, the Rome semi-final against Djokovic should have been no big deal. Federer was controlling the match until the rain delay, came out and held an easy service game and from there like, imploded or something....he started making errors out of nowhere after being in complete control. Very strange to be honest. It proves though he is still be the second best claycourter in the world though when he's there mentally. At the moment he's not at his best on any surface so its even hard to call him World No.2.....even though he is more than capable of taking Murray and DJoker out on any surface he's not at the moment. So, we'll see.

But I don't disagree with him saying he can win Madrid. He's got a MASSIVE chance to get to the final and then he's only one match away so.....and unless it's against a certain Rafael Nadal then he definitely has a huge shot at winning it.

LanceStern
05-11-2009, 11:33 PM
This is not smart from Federer. He is getting desperate.

He indeed have a cakewalk draw yet again, so he might make it to the final indeed, but still saying something like this after he didn't win a Masters for almost two years is just, well, not smart.

While I can get maybe a small amount of where people are coming from, it's so frustrating to see so much hate.

here is a former world #1, in a slight slump, pumping himself up and merely saying he feels good about his game right now. Leave it to internet forumers for no reason whatsoever to come around and try and berate and bring down the positive attitude and goals he has for himself.

It's like going to a football game, the coach feels excited and says he has hopes for his team to take it all the way to the superbowl, and a bunch of armchair coaches are sitting around saying the team sucks, the coach is delusional etc.

Leave the man alone and let him be happy with his game and how he feels. If he was being all sad, unsure and pessismistic then you'd have something to doom and gloom him about then too.

Comments on "Fed has an easy draw"
Karlovic, Davydenko, Giles Simon (a thorn in his side), Igor Andreev and Murray are not an "easy draw". come on.

Bud
05-11-2009, 11:42 PM
While I can get maybe a small amount of where people are coming from, it's so frustrating to see so much hate.

here is a former world #1, in a slight slump, pumping himself up and merely saying he feels good about his game right now. Leave it to internet forumers for no reason whatsoever to come around and try and berate and bring down the positive attitude and goals he has for himself.

It's like going to a football game, the coach feels excited and says he has hopes for his team to take it all the way to the superbowl, and a bunch of armchair coaches are sitting around saying the team sucks, the coach is delusional etc.

Leave the man alone and let him be happy with his game and how he feels. If he was being all sad, unsure and pessismistic then you'd have something to doom and gloom him about then too.


Karlovic, Davydenko, Giles Simon (a thorn in his side), Igor Andreev and Murray are not an "easy draw". come on.

He's playing Soderling later on This evening, too :wink:

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-11-2009, 11:51 PM
While I can get maybe a small amount of where people are coming from, it's so frustrating to see so much hate.

here is a former world #1, in a slight slump, pumping himself up and merely saying he feels good about his game right now. Leave it to internet forumers for no reason whatsoever to come around and try and berate and bring down the positive attitude and goals he has for himself.

It's like going to a football game, the coach feels excited and says he has hopes for his team to take it all the way to the superbowl, and a bunch of armchair coaches are sitting around saying the team sucks, the coach is delusional etc.

Leave the man alone and let him be happy with his game and how he feels. If he was being all sad, unsure and pessismistic then you'd have something to doom and gloom him about then too.


Karlovic, Davydenko, Giles Simon (a thorn in his side), Igor Andreev and Murray are not an "easy draw". come on. Fed has an easy draw come on. On clay he faces Karlovic who is average, Simon the hard-court specialist, who is out of form, Andreev who is out of the tournament and Murray the clay god lol. Davydenko is the only challenge but 8-0 H2H is pretty compelling.

<3tennis!!!
05-11-2009, 11:54 PM
i dont mind if fed doesnt win......i just love his tennis and always will. i love federer!:)

lemons
05-11-2009, 11:57 PM
What he said was roughly that he is now ready to win a sand court tournament.


Murray in Madrid: "I am not so good on sand. Consequently I can only think about the first round. Anything else does not make sense".


Sand? Um, are they playing beach volleyball in Madrid? :)

gzhpcu
05-12-2009, 12:10 AM
Sand? Um, are they playing beach volleyball in Madrid? :)
No, beach tennis....:)

http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/9991/sandj.jpg

sh@de
05-12-2009, 01:02 AM
Federer loves putting maximum pressure on his shoulders and bragging about doing things he has no idea if he can do. I am really making superhuman efforts to refrain from calling him a complete idiot.


So presumably that's not insulting Federer right? Hm... looks like you're a hypocrite. I seem to remember we had a recent argument in another thread. You were commenting that OP shouldn't criticise Nadal... and guess what? You're now going doing the same thing to Federer. ******* hypocrite much?

Realistically, I don't think Fed is going to win Madrid. But I always hope for the best for him.

Antonio Puente
05-12-2009, 01:35 AM
So presumably that's not insulting Federer right? Hm... looks like you're a hypocrite. I seem to remember we had a recent argument in another thread. You were commenting that OP shouldn't criticise Nadal... and guess what? You're now going doing the same thing to Federer. ******* hypocrite much?

Realistically, I don't think Fed is going to win Madrid. But I always hope for the best for him.

I don't understand. She said she's trying hard not to call him an idiot. Let's give her some credit. I know how she feels. With every post I type, I say to myself, Antonio, you cannot call Fed a chubby-chasing crybaby. Do not call Fed a chubby-chasing crybaby! I'm not sure how, but somehow, I resist the temptation. I have to say I'm proud of myself.

Knightmace
05-12-2009, 02:01 AM
Fed has an easy draw come on. On clay he faces Karlovic who is average, Simon the hard-court specialist, who is out of form, Andreev who is out of the tournament and Murray the clay god lol. Davydenko is the only challenge but 8-0 H2H is pretty compelling.
12-0.......

sh@de
05-12-2009, 02:04 AM
I don't understand. She said she's trying hard not to call him an idiot. Let's give her some credit. I know how she feels. With every post I type, I say to myself, Antonio, you cannot call Fed a chubby-chasing crybaby. Do not call Fed a chubby-chasing crybaby! I'm not sure how, but somehow, I resist the temptation. I have to say I'm proud of myself.

No, saying she'll 'refrain from calling him a complete idiot' is like a glaringly obvious statement of calling him a complete idiot. You might as well remove the 'refrain from', and the meaning would be the exact same. Stop trying to use underhand ways to insult Federer, when you complain all the time about people insulting Nadal (not you antonio, I mean you, veroniquem).

Safinator_1
05-12-2009, 02:04 AM
Well its always nice to go into a tournament and set a goal for yourself and something you want out of it. Though he should also set up for the fall if he doesn't win the tournament wouldn't that be just sad :(

Dutch-Guy
05-12-2009, 03:39 AM
Fed has all his slaves on his side of the draw.So it shouldn't be a problem for him to reach the finals.Still,he should let his racquet talks,instead of himeself.

seffina
05-12-2009, 03:53 AM
Since when is slavery legal again? BTW, Simon is NOT in Federer's side of the draw. I don't know why people keep on bringing him up. He's in Djokovic's quarter.

Anyways, again, I'm glad Roger's feeling confident, that's all. He likes to go into a tourny mentally challenging himself to win it. He has done this all of his years. When he was at the top and when he's second best. You don't just change your outlook just because of a points system. If he loses, he'll deal with it, but why should he go into a tournament without feeling like he can conquer the field?

vtmike
05-12-2009, 04:23 AM
With the way the Madrid clay courts are fast and high-bouncing I don't see it happening.

How can the court be fast & high bouncing?...They can either be fast or high bouncing...

vtmike
05-12-2009, 04:30 AM
He's really setting himself up for intense criticism if he doesn't win it now. What is the benefit of saying that kind of stuff? He will have all the time to say it if he qualifies for the final. Instead of that he's placing the bar really high straight away. His goal shoud be to play a good first round.

Wow you really are unbelievable!! I don't know if I should laugh at your posts or take them seriously anymore...He says such "stuff" because he is asked to time and gain to comment on his form, goals, coaches, etc. etc. etc...And as far as I know he is very good with journalists and fans, & always makes a point to give them some time...

All he said is that he is feels his game has improved after the practice hours he put in and his goal is to win the Madrid Masters...How can you possibly find anything wrong with that?? :shock: You think it beyond comprehension for a former num 1 to have a goal to win the Madrid Masters? Do you think Djokovic & Murray don't have similar goals?

This is not smart from Federer. He is getting desperate.

He indeed have a cakewalk draw yet again, so he might make it to the final indeed, but still saying something like this after he didn't win a Masters for almost two years is just, well, not smart.

Those two bold portions are pretty much self explanatory...I am not going to degrade myself to try and explain my point because it will be clear to any rational poster!

gzhpcu
05-12-2009, 04:32 AM
How can the court be fast & high bouncing?...They can either be fast or high bouncing...
Maybe because of the high altitude?

vtmike
05-12-2009, 04:36 AM
^^^ I don't think altitude has anything to with it...

seffina
05-12-2009, 04:43 AM
^^^ I don't think altitude has anything to with it...

That's how Roger explained the high bounce:


Federer, on the conditions in Madrid: "The ball bounces because of the altitude. I already felt it indoors here in September, October; it was a little bit harder to control. On clay, esepcially on a warm day, the ball already bounces high but even more so in Madrid so you can really use the spin and the kick serve. You can use quite a bit of an attacking game, which is good for me."

vtmike
05-12-2009, 04:48 AM
^^^ Oh! I wonder what the relation between altitude & high bounce is? Is there less drag (air friction) on the ball due to thinner air? That might explain the increase in speed...and since the court friction is the same, the bounce still remains high...Thats the only explanation I can come up with...any other reasons?

P_Agony
05-12-2009, 05:10 AM
Roger, will you please stop talking and atually start winning. Maybe take the time you spend on interviews and spend it on even more practicing, or better yet spend it on a shrink. Take Safin with you, you both need help.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 05:19 AM
No, saying she'll 'refrain from calling him a complete idiot' is like a glaringly obvious statement of calling him a complete idiot. You might as well remove the 'refrain from', and the meaning would be the exact same. Stop trying to use underhand ways to insult Federer, when you complain all the time about people insulting Nadal (not you antonio, I mean you, veroniquem).
Well, I'm still refraining but the things he says, boy...

Bud
05-12-2009, 05:27 AM
With the way the Madrid clay courts are fast and high-bouncing I don't see it happening.

How can the court be fast & high bouncing?...They can either be fast or high bouncing...

Maybe because of the high altitude?

^^^ I don't think altitude has anything to with it...

That's how Roger explained the high bounce:

Yes, fast and high-bouncing. That's been my observation.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 05:27 AM
:rolleyes:Wow you really are unbelievable!! I don't know if I should laugh at your posts or take them seriously anymore...He says such "stuff" because he is asked to time and gain to comment on his form, goals, coaches, etc. etc. etc...And as far as I know he is very good with journalists and fans, & always makes a point to give them some time...

All he said is that he is feels his game has improved after the practice hours he put in and his goal is to win the Madrid Masters...How can you possibly find anything wrong with that?? :shock: You think it beyond comprehension for a former num 1 to have a goal to win the Madrid Masters? Do you think Djokovic & Murray don't have similar goals?



Those two bold portions are pretty much self explanatory...I am not going to degrade myself to try and explain my point because it will be clear to any rational poster!
He didn't say that his goal is to win Madrid, he said he's "ready" to win Madrid. If you don't see it's a little foolish to announce you're gonna win a tournament before it starts, I don't think I can explain it to you, it's pretty much self explanatory, especially for someone who hasn't won a master shield since... yeah right, a long time ago :rolleyes: (and someone who hasn't beaten the other top 3 in a best of 3 set match for... wow really long too...)

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 05:29 AM
Yes, fast and high-bouncing. That's been my observation.
That should be good for Rafa, shouldn't it?

Bud
05-12-2009, 05:33 AM
Yes, fast and high-bouncing. That's been my observation.

That should be good for Rafa, shouldn't it?

I would think so. It may also be bad since it allows player's to hit through the court... like a hard court.

He may have trouble with some of the same players he has trouble with historically on hard courts (i.e. the aggressive players who take the ball early and hit flat).

seffina
05-12-2009, 05:36 AM
I think Rafa would prefer the courts a little slower than what they are here. But the high bounce should help him. He doesn't like them very slow (as far as I can tell), but a little bit of drag is good as it allows better point construction.

Either way, he's Rafa!

What I like about what Roger said is that it should help his serve. If his serve is on, that's half the match right there IMO.

vtmike
05-12-2009, 05:41 AM
Yes, fast and high-bouncing. That's been my observation.

You forgot to add this post in your post with mutiple quotes...

^^^ Oh! I wonder what the relation between altitude & high bounce is? Is there less drag (air friction) on the ball due to thinner air? That might explain the increase in speed...and since the court friction is the same, the bounce still remains high...Thats the only explanation I can come up with...any other reasons?

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 05:42 AM
While I can get maybe a small amount of where people are coming from, it's so frustrating to see so much hate.

here is a former world #1, in a slight slump, pumping himself up and merely saying he feels good about his game right now. Leave it to internet forumers for no reason whatsoever to come around and try and berate and bring down the positive attitude and goals he has for himself.

It's like going to a football game, the coach feels excited and says he has hopes for his team to take it all the way to the superbowl, and a bunch of armchair coaches are sitting around saying the team sucks, the coach is delusional etc.

Leave the man alone and let him be happy with his game and how he feels. If he was being all sad, unsure and pessismistic then you'd have something to doom and gloom him about then too.


Karlovic, Davydenko, Giles Simon (a thorn in his side), Igor Andreev and Murray are not an "easy draw". come on.
There's a huge difference between feeling good about your game and saying you're gonna win a tournament: one is healthy self confidence, the other one is overconfidence and burning bridges. Federer hasn't made a master final for a year (won one for almost 2 years), he also hasn't beaten Nadal, Fed or Djoko for months. He's had a problem recently of choking matches after leading comfortably in them. He doesn't need the extra pressure that those comments put on him. Then if he loses, people are gonna ask "why can't the press leave him alone?", well he's looking for it, no?
(Simon is not in his quarter and both him and Karlovic are helpless on clay, Andreev has withdrawn)

shadows
05-12-2009, 05:42 AM
I don't see why people always get so all over players for saying their goal is to win a tournament, to be number, to win a slam etc. If asked "do you think you can win "insert tourny" or "do you think you can beat "insert player", I'd much rather hear a player say yes than to say no, what kind of message does it send if you announce you don't think you can win :/

Fed just seems to feel his preparation has gone well and that he's in with a good chance (which having seen the draw he is, particularly to reach the final).

Sure I'll still back Rafa, but I wouldn't rule Fed out of having a shot.

vtmike
05-12-2009, 05:47 AM
:rolleyes:
He didn't say that his goal is to win Madrid, he said he's "ready" to win Madrid. If you don't see it's a little foolish to announce you're gonna win a tournament before it starts, I don't think I can explain it to you, it's pretty much self explanatory, especially for someone who hasn't won a master shield since... yeah right, a long time ago :rolleyes: (and someone who hasn't beaten the other top 3 in a best of 3 set match for... wow really long too...)

Way to twist things around :roll: Here is the exact quote fromt he OP...You are completely 200% biased! I really am going to start ignoring you because apparently anything that comes out of Federer's mouth is arrogant to you! I have had it with you...be happy hating on Federer and making him look like an evil, sadistic, arrogant as*hole!



In Monte Carlo, he said, he just wanted to see how his game was. In Rome, he was looking a bit more ahead. Now, he says, he feels he has the game to win and his goal is to win the title in Madrid. Said that since Madrid higher up is, the balls will be faster and bounce higher,so that will help his serve and he can play aggressively.

seffina
05-12-2009, 05:48 AM
You forgot to add this post in your post with mutiple quotes...I'm sure the way the clay is packed and the underlayer make a difference as well, but the lower air resistance must help a little. I had also heard there is such a thing as high altitude tennis balls, but I've no idea where I heard that...

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 05:48 AM
I would think so. It may also be bad since it allows player's to hit through the court... like a hard court.

He may have trouble with some of the same players he has trouble with historically on hard courts (i.e. the aggressive players who take the ball early and hit flat).
Isn't high bounce bad for flat hitters?

sh@de
05-12-2009, 05:50 AM
So it's ridiculous to have a goal of winning now is it? Why's Fed still playing then? If he's not ready to win, why should he even play? He might as well drop out now... jeez, you *******s are seriously pathetic.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 05:50 AM
Way to twist things around :roll: Here is the exact quote fromt he OP...You are completely 200% biased! I really am going to start ignoring you because apparently anything that comes out of Federer's mouth is arrogant to you! I have had it with you...be happy hating on Federer and making him look like evil, sadistic, arrogant as*hole!
Yes he should keep his mouth shut and shows HE HAS THE GAME TO WIN with his racquet. Stop talking big and act big for a change.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 05:52 AM
So it's ridiculous to have a goal of winning now is it? Why's Fed still playing then? If he's not ready to win, why should he even play? He might as well drop out now... jeez, you *******s are seriously pathetic.
It's ridiculous to SAY it when you're in a vulnerable position as Fed is right now.

drakulie
05-12-2009, 05:58 AM
Federer loves putting maximum pressure on his shoulders and bragging about doing things he has no idea if he can do. I am really making superhuman efforts to refrain from calling him a complete idiot.


Yet another classic from the second most clueless poster on the boards, and second biggest Nadal hater.

seffina
05-12-2009, 06:00 AM
I understand, that's your opinion. In my humble opinion, he doesn't have to become a different person because his ranking has dropped. I don't feel like his outlook and the way he has always dealt with things has to change. This is how he has always been. Yes, some fans and a lot of non fans feel like he should act differently, but some of us don't feel that way. I think he can talk the same way he always has. It's his prerogative. I only hope for improvement in his game from the previous months, not his outlook. I don't think it's harming him into losing matches, then why can't he say whatever he feels? But as I said, you're entitled to not like his outlook. It's really not that scandalous of a statement.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 06:03 AM
I don't see why people always get so all over players for saying their goal is to win a tournament, to be number, to win a slam etc. If asked "do you think you can win "insert tourny" or "do you think you can beat "insert player", I'd much rather hear a player say yes than to say no, what kind of message does it send if you announce you don't think you can win :/

Fed just seems to feel his preparation has gone well and that he's in with a good chance (which having seen the draw he is, particularly to reach the final).

Sure I'll still back Rafa, but I wouldn't rule Fed out of having a shot.
As far as I know "players" didn't say they're gonna win Madrid. Only Fed did. There must be a reason why noone else says this stuff. Does he have a chance? Sure but he could tone it down before the chance materializes.

vtmike
05-12-2009, 06:08 AM
Yet another classic from the second most clueless poster on the boards, and second biggest Nadal hater.

I don't know about second...I think its pretty close between the two of them...Who is trying to break into the top two though? Who is num 3 & 4?

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 06:09 AM
I understand, that's your opinion. In my humble opinion, he doesn't have to become a different person because his ranking has dropped. I don't feel like his outlook and the way he has always dealt with things has to change. This is how he has always been. Yes, some fans and a lot of non fans feel like he should act differently, but some of us don't feel that way. I think he can talk the same way he always has. It's his prerogative. I only hope for improvement in his game from the previous months, not his outlook. I don't think it's harming him into losing matches, then why can't he say whatever he feels? But as I said, you're entitled to not like his outlook. It's really not that scandalous of a statement.
He can say whatever he wants of course but since he seems to have felt the pressure recently on the court adding more ahead of time doesn't seem like a good idea. Hey he can say he's gonna win RG, Wimby and USO for all I care but it makes his on court meltdowns look even more embarrassing. In his own interest, he may want to stop doing that.

sh@de
05-12-2009, 06:22 AM
It's ridiculous to SAY it when you're in a vulnerable position as Fed is right now.

So he's vulnerable? He's world no. 2, he has no problems except against the other 3 of the top 4, he's even shown that his game is capable of beating them, it's his mental... block? thing? Who's to guess when he's going to come out of that slump? Or how do you know Djoker / Murray / Nadal won't have a bad day, and Fed will capitalise? Vulnerable? You must be joking. Last time I checked, he got to the semis in Doha, finals in Aus and even pushed Nadal to 5. Then he got to semis for Indian Wells and Miami and Rome. Sure, he keeps losing to the top 4, but I wouldn't say he's vulnerable.



He can say whatever he wants of course but since he seems to have felt the pressure recently on the court adding more ahead of time doesn't seem like a good idea. Hey he can say he's gonna win RG, Wimby and USO for all I care but it makes his on court meltdowns look even more embarrassing. In his own interest, he may want to stop doing that.

And who are you to second guess what's in Fed's interests or not? Please stop trying to sound like you know what's best for Fed and what isn't. You don't. It's quite obvious, and quite simple to comprehend.

drakulie
05-12-2009, 06:22 AM
I don't know about second...I think its pretty close between the two of them...Who is trying to break into the top two though? Who is num 3 & 4?


Honestly, there is enough "cluelessness" between the two of them to fill the top 100. :shock:

Bud
05-12-2009, 06:27 AM
You forgot to add this post in your post with mutiple quotes...

I didn't forget anything. I address posts as I read the thread from start to finish.

Morrissey
05-12-2009, 06:27 AM
If he isn't ready to win now when will he be ready? 2 years without a Masters shield isn't long enough?

So I guess between now and Cincy 2007 he wasn't ready to win huh? Good to know he can just flick the switch like that. :-)

vtmike
05-12-2009, 06:27 AM
Honestly, there is enough "cluelessness" between the two of them to fill the top 100. :shock:

Utter clueless domination!

jms007
05-12-2009, 06:29 AM
I don't see what the big deal is. Doesn't like every athlete in every sport on the planet say similar things before a tourny or a match?

vtmike
05-12-2009, 06:30 AM
I didn't forget anything. I address posts as I read the thread from start to finish.

Not a big deal...but post # 35 comes before post # 38 ;) ...Anyways it was your post...So your decision to leave out whatever you want to I guess :)

Bud
05-12-2009, 06:31 AM
Isn't high bounce bad for flat hitters?

It depends on whether they can take the ball early and be effective (i.e. Nalbandian, Davydenko, etc.)

The higher bounce aspect is more beneficial for Nadal's style of play as it puts players even more on the defense... pushing them further and further behind the baseline.

The part that benefits the flat hitters is the speed of this clay while the part that benefits Nadal is the high bounce of this clay. We'll have to see how it pans out... and who benefits most from each of those conditions.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 06:34 AM
So he's vulnerable? He's world no. 2, he has no problems except against the other 3 of the top 4, he's even shown that his game is capable of beating them, it's his mental... block? thing? Who's to guess when he's going to come out of that slump? Or how do you know Djoker / Murray / Nadal won't have a bad day, and Fed will capitalise? Vulnerable? You must be joking. Last time I checked, he got to the semis in Doha, finals in Aus and even pushed Nadal to 5. Then he got to semis for Indian Wells and Miami and Rome. Sure, he keeps losing to the top 4, but I wouldn't say he's vulnerable.





And who are you to second guess what's in Fed's interests or not? Please stop trying to sound like you know what's best for Fed and what isn't. You don't. It's quite obvious, and quite simple to comprehend.
Losing to the top 4 IS being vulnerable in the context of winning tournaments as is not making a master final for a year in the context of winning one.
How could it be in anyone's interest to talk their chances up and then fail to deliver? If he wins great but if he loses his words are gonna come back to bite him. Anyway, you can have a different opinion, it doesn't matter. If you think he's right, I don't have a problem with that.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 06:36 AM
Honestly, there is enough "cluelessness" between the two of them to fill the top 100. :shock:
As opposed to your posts which are the epitome of sophistication and intelligence as every poster on this board has had ample opportunity to observe.

Bud
05-12-2009, 06:37 AM
Losing to the top 4 is being vulnerable in the context of winning tournaments as is not making a master final for a year in the context of winning one.
How could it be in anyone's interest to talk their chances up and then fail to deliver? If he wins great but if he loses his words are gonna come back to bite him. Anyway, you can have a different opinion, it doesn't matter. If you think he's right, I don't have a problem with that.

I agree... Federer is highly vulnerable to both Murray and Djokovic, currently. He's in a virtual 2-year MS title drought and has not won a single title in 2009.

If he doesn't have a good showing in Madrid, making it to at least the semifinal, more eyebrows will raise as to the current state of his game.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 06:40 AM
It depends on whether they can take the ball early and be effective (i.e. Nalbandian, Davydenko, etc.)

The higher bounce aspect is more beneficial for Nadal's style of play as it puts players even more on the defense... pushing them further and further behind the baseline.

The part that benefits the flat hitters is the speed of this clay while the part that benefits Nadal is the high bounce of this clay. We'll have to see how it pans out... and who benefits most from each of those conditions.
OK, we'll see.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 06:44 AM
I don't see what the big deal is. Doesn't like every athlete in every sport on the planet say similar things before a tourny or a match?
Not that I know of. Do you have a quote from anyone else saying they're ready to win Madrid?

sh@de
05-12-2009, 06:46 AM
Losing to the top 4 IS being vulnerable in the context of winning tournaments as is not making a master final for a year in the context of winning one.
How could it be in anyone's interest to talk their chances up and then fail to deliver? If he wins great but if he loses his words are gonna come back to bite him. Anyway, you can have a different opinion, it doesn't matter. If you think he's right, I don't have a problem with that.

And you know the bolded part because...?

Bud
05-12-2009, 06:50 AM
And you know the bolded part because...?

She is implying IF he fails to deliver not when.

"If he wins, great...", etc.

drakulie
05-12-2009, 06:50 AM
As opposed to your posts which are the epitome of sophistication and intelligence as every poster on this board has had ample opportunity to observe.


Yet another clueless post by someone who repeatedly makes Nadal out to be the biggest sissy in the history of the ATP and WTA combined.

wangs78
05-12-2009, 06:54 AM
i dont mind if fed doesnt win......i just love his tennis and always will. i love federer!:)

Tru be to that.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 07:20 AM
And you know the bolded part because...?
Because of Rome 2009 (loses to Djoko after winning the first set and leading in the last 2), Monte-Carlo 2009 (losing to Wawrinka in straights), Miami 2009 (losing to Djoko after looking like he was gonna run away with the match), Indian Wells 2009 (losing to Murray, collapsing in the 3rd set), AO 2009 (after fighting for 4 sets, giving up the 5th in record time against Nadal), Doha 2009 (losing to Murray and making only 4 games in the last 2 sets), TMC 2008 (failing to qualify for the semis losing to Simon (whom he has never beaten so far) and to Murray again). Is that enough for you or you want more (examples of recent tournaments in which he failed to deliver)?

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 07:21 AM
Yet another clueless post by someone who repeatedly makes Nadal out to be the biggest sissy in the history of the ATP and WTA combined.
I forgot about inventive and never dull or repetitious...

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 07:22 AM
Because of Rome 2009 (loses to Djoko after winning the first set and leading in the last 2), Monte-Carlo 2009 (losing to Wawrinka in straights), Miami 2009 (losing to Djoko after looking like he was gonna run away with the match), Indian Wells 2009 (losing to Murray, collapsing in the 3rd set), AO 2009 (after fighting for 4 sets, giving up the 5th in record time against Nadal), Doha 2009 (losing to Murray and making only 4 games in the last 2 sets), TMC 2008 (failing to qualify for the semis losing to Simon (whom he has never beaten so far) and to Murray again). Is that enough for you or you want more (examples of recent tournaments in which he failed to deliver)?


I don't remember him talking up his chances before all those matches. It is kind of amusing how so many *********s seem to be more obsessed with federer and what he says than fed fans himself. I swear some it seems like some people just live to bash the guy.

shadows
05-12-2009, 07:24 AM
As far as I know "players" didn't say they're gonna win Madrid. Only Fed did. There must be a reason why noone else says this stuff. Does he have a chance? Sure but he could tone it down before the chance materializes.

I used players as a loose term because people on here like to jump on various players for various statements. Djokovic was jumped on for saying that he thought he could beat Rafa, Murray was jumped on for saying he was aiming for number one and so on.

I don't think what Roger said should be construed as him saying he's going to win and no one else has a chance, he does after all say that winning madrid is a goal and only states he feels he's ready to win on clay

Bud
05-12-2009, 07:24 AM
I don't remember him talking up his chances before all those matches.

Post Madrid... we'll see if he's just that... all talk or whether he can back that talk up with results.

If Federer doesn't have a good showing in Madrid... the whispers will continue to grow louder.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 07:28 AM
Post Madrid... we'll see if he's just that... all talk or whether he can back that talk up with results.


If he said that he is definitely going to win madrid, then I would laugh if he lost. However, he said he was ready and it was a goal. I take that as I practiced hard and I'm ready to try best to win. Some other person take it as "I'm going to win madrid". Its like taking a test. I can say that I'm ready to get a good grade, even Ace it, doesn't mean I think it is a guarantee. Its not all black or white.

Pirao
05-12-2009, 07:28 AM
I don't think he should have made those comments. He should go step by step, remember he got eliminated by Wawrinka recently (and I'm not saying Stan is a bad player, but if you're getting eliminated by him you can't hope to beat Nadal or Djokovic on clay right now). He should start by cutting down his numbers of UE.

seffina
05-12-2009, 07:33 AM
All this is making me hope that Roger really, really, really, really, really wins Madrid. Key word is hope here, btw. :) Not making a prediction, although I did predict a final appearance.

LanceStern
05-12-2009, 07:34 AM
I really can't believe you veroniquem.

Now he should tone down his statements in his press release, even though all he said was he feels good about his game, his goal is to win Madrid.

What is there to tone down?

If Federer was saying "Oh well let's see if I make it through the first round" or "I'm taking it one step at a time" posters and you too, would find something to rag on that saying "his confidence is shot" or "how far he has fallen".

In 9 years of message boards I've never used this ignore button before but my goodness, after this you make me want to do it.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 07:36 AM
If he said that he is definitely going to win madrid, then I would laugh if he lost. However, he said he was ready and it was a goal. I take that as I practiced hard and I'm ready to try best to win. Some other person take it as "I'm going to win madrid". Its like taking a test. I can say that I'm ready to get a good grade, even Ace it, doesn't mean I think it is a guarantee. Its not all black or white.
If you say you're gonna ace an exam then the general expectation is that you're gonna get an A, you know it, I know it and Fed knows it. And if you fail after that, ouch, harder to take. It's not rocket science really, just common sense.
Before the AO, Fed said he was shocked the journalists didn't put him down as the main favorite and after the AO he was crying. See what I mean?

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 07:38 AM
All this is making me hope that Roger really, really, really, really, really wins Madrid. Key word is hope here, btw. :) Not making a prediction, although I did predict a final appearance.
Exactly! Exactly my point. Once he's said that, he'd really better win. Extra pressure. Hard to take. Better off making it easier on himself.

thejoe
05-12-2009, 07:40 AM
Exactly! Exactly my point. Once he's said that, he'd really better win. Extra pressure. Hard to take. Better off making it easier on himself.

You think he really feels any extra pressure after making these comments? You act as if he cares or even knows about what we think...

shadows
05-12-2009, 07:41 AM
All this is making me hope that Roger really, really, really, really, really wins Madrid. Key word is hope here, btw. :) Not making a prediction, although I did predict a final appearance.

same. If he was to win here it'd definitely make RG a lot more interesting and would probably do wonders for his general confidence.

whether my wish that it'd make people slower to jump on him or not was one of your hopes I don't know, but that's another reason I'd like to see him get some success xD

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 07:45 AM
You think he really feels any extra pressure after making these comments? You act as if he cares or even knows about what we think...
Just put yourself in the same situation. You're telling the media you're good to win the next event. Then you step on the court. Do you feel less or more pressured?

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 07:45 AM
If you say you're gonna ace an exam then the general expectation is that you're gonna get an A, you know it, I know it and Fed knows it. And if you fail after that, ouch, harder to take. It's not rocket science really, just common sense.
Before the AO, Fed said he was shocked the journalists didn't put him down as the main favorite and after the AO he was crying. See what I mean?

No he said he didn't understand why murray was the main favorite, when nadal was no.1 and won olympics, djokovic was the defending champion, and he himself won the last slam. Please don't go around twisting everything he said. In fact he said he was confused as to why nadal was not the favorite. Btw, I said I was ready to ace the exam, not that I would and yes there is a difference. Things are not black and white. Its not rocket science, though , just common sense.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 07:47 AM
Just put yourself in the same situation. You're telling the media you're good to win the next event. Then you step on the court. Do you feel less or more pressured?

Probably not, because when I am playing, I'm not thinking about what I said in my last press conference. I still have no idea why you care if he puts pressure on himself or not. Not like you want him to win. I'm glad he speaks his mind and doesn't give sugarcoated bs answers just to please people. He just said that he feels like he is ready to win a tournament. I have no idea why he gets attacked or scrutinized for saying such a simple sentence.

seffina
05-12-2009, 07:52 AM
Exactly! Exactly my point. Once he's said that, he'd really better win. Extra pressure. Hard to take. Better off making it easier on himself.
But you're missing my point. That is my hope and wish as a fan. Who cares if there is pressure on me? There is absolutely no proof that Roger Federer's game suffers because of what he said in a press conference. Or that he feels extra pressure. We don't know. Maybe he would do worse without feeling confident and feeling like he has a great chance to go all the way. He has always been confident about his chances. I don't feel that what he says in press conferences affect his court play.

Look, I love the way Rafa deals with these things, but I love them because that outlook works for him. Roger doesn't work that way (from what I know of him and I've been a fan for almost ten years now.) He has been progressing. He was a lot better in Rome. There's no reason for him to not believe that he can build upon a semi appearance in Rome. He feels that the court conditions will help him serve better and play more aggressive. Fact remains, he's one of the few men in the Madrid field that has beaten Rafa on clay or has "rattled" him. Rattle doesn't mean beat, just disrupt his game. Roger's a big picture guy. Rafa's not. He's not going to change who he is as a person because of a drop in ranking and a few losses. Roger's actually having a better year points wise than last year! Yes, he doesn't look as sharp as he did at this point last year, but it's not complete crazy talk to think he could win. If he doesn't follow through, it won't be because he put extra pressure on himself in a press conference. It will be because he didn't play as well as his opponent on that particular day.

jelle v
05-12-2009, 07:53 AM
Not that I know of. Do you have a quote from anyone else saying they're ready to win Madrid?

Do you have a quote of Federer saying he is ready to win Madrid?

I'll just go ahead and answer that for you: No, that's because Federer never said that..

This is what Federer said, according to Tagesanzeiger:

In Rom sagten Sie, das erste Ziel sei der Halbfinal. Wie ist das in Madrid?

Ich bin jetzt in einer Phase der Sandplatzsaison, wo ich ein Turnier gewinnen will. In Monte Carlo wollte ich schauen, wie es läuft, in Rom blickte ich etwas weiter voraus, und nun habe ich das Gefühl, dass ich das Spiel habe, um den Titel zu holen. Mein Ziel ist deshalb der Turniersieg. Das ist zwar hochgesteckt, aber sicher möglich, wenn ich gut spiele.

Translation:

"in Rome you said your primary target was reaching the semi final. What's your goal in Madrid?"

"I'm now in a phase in the clay court season, that I want to win a tournament. In Monte Carlo I wanted to see how it would turn out, in Rome I was looking a little further ahead (in the draw I presume) and now I feel that I have the game to win the tournament. My goal therefore is to win the tournament. That is indeed a very high goal, but surely it is possible if I play well."

So there you go with your mindless Federer-bashing.. Of course you will have a lot of trolling to do because Federer said this, but that will be no surprise to anyone on this board.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 07:55 AM
But you're missing my point. That is my hope and wish as a fan. Who cares if there is pressure on me? There is absolutely no proof that Roger Federer's game suffers because of what he said in a press conference. Or that he feels extra pressure. We don't know. Maybe he would do worse without feeling confident and feeling like he has a great chance to go all the way. He has always been confident about his chances. I don't feel that what he says in press conferences affect his court play.

Look, I love the way Rafa deals with these things, but I love them because that outlook works for him. Roger doesn't work that way (from what I know of him and I've been a fan for almost ten years now.) He has been progressing. He was a lot better in Rome. There's no reason for him to not believe that he can build upon a semi appearance in Rome. He feels that the court conditions will help him serve better and play more aggressive. Fact remains, he's one of the few men in the Madrid field that has beaten Rafa on clay or has "rattled" him. Rattle doesn't mean beat, just disrupt his game. Roger's a big picture guy. Rafa's not. He's not going to change who he is as a person because of a drop in ranking and a few losses. Roger's actually having a better year points wise than last year! Yes, he doesn't look as sharp as he did at this point last year, but it's not complete crazy talk to think he could win. If he doesn't follow through, it won't be because he put extra pressure on himself in a press conference. It will be because he didn't play as well as his opponent on that particular day.

thank you! Like I said, I'm glad roger doesn't give sugarcoated answers and his honest about how he feels. He gets asked a question, he answers it honestly. Sorry he doesn't answer it the way some people think he should. Anyways, he said in rome, his goal was to get to the semifinal and he did. Lets hope he gets one step further.

gj011
05-12-2009, 07:56 AM
Wow you really are unbelievable!! I don't know if I should laugh at your posts or take them seriously anymore...He says such "stuff" because he is asked to time and gain to comment on his form, goals, coaches, etc. etc. etc...And as far as I know he is very good with journalists and fans, & always makes a point to give them some time...

All he said is that he is feels his game has improved after the practice hours he put in and his goal is to win the Madrid Masters...How can you possibly find anything wrong with that?? :shock: You think it beyond comprehension for a former num 1 to have a goal to win the Madrid Masters? Do you think Djokovic & Murray don't have similar goals?



Those two bold portions are pretty much self explanatory...I am not going to degrade myself to try and explain my point because it will be clear to any rational poster!

Obviously Federer worshipers here are getting desperate too. And quite nervous I must add.

tudwell
05-12-2009, 07:57 AM
This is just how Federer pumps himself up. Some people throw in a fist pump after a nice-looking shot. Federer announces to the world in his latest press conference that he wants to and is going to the win the tournament. Different strokes is all.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 07:57 AM
Do you have a quote of Federer saying he is ready to win Madrid?

I'll just go ahead and answer that for you: No, that's because Federer never said that..

This is what Federer said, according to Tagesanzeiger:



Translation:

"in Rome you said your primary target was reaching the semi final. What's your goal in Madrid?"

"I'm now in a phase in the clay court season, that I want to win a tournament. In Monte Carlo I wanted to see how it would turn out, in Rome I was looking a little further ahead (in the draw I presume) and now I feel that I have the game to win the tournament. My goal therefore is to win the tournament. That is indeed a very high goal, but surely it is possible if I play well."

So there you go with your mindless Federer-bashing.. Of course you will have a lot of trolling to do because Federer said this, but that will be no surprise to anyone on this board.

The way the OP translated it, fed said he was ready to win the tournament. Anyways, he admits that it is a high goal. He's not stupid or anything, no matter what certain *********s think.

fps
05-12-2009, 07:58 AM
right,

he's said it. he's said he's getting back to where he wants to be, and he's said he wants to win this one. so there isn't going to be a post-wedding capitulation here, no excuses. he must now get a win against one of the other big four this tourny.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 07:58 AM
If you say you're gonna ace an exam then the general expectation is that you're gonna get an A, you know it, I know it and Fed knows it. And if you fail after that, ouch, harder to take. It's not rocket science really, just common sense.
Before the AO, Fed said he was shocked the journalists didn't put him down as the main favorite and after the AO he was crying. See what I mean?

No he said he didn't understand why murray was the main favorite, when nadal was no.1 and won olympics, djokovic was the defending champion, and he himself won the last slam. Please don't go around twisting everything he said. In fact he said he was confused as to why nadal was not the favorite. Btw, I said I was ready to ace the exam, not that I would and yes there is a difference. Things are not black and white. Its not rocket science, though , just common sense.
When you say you're ready to ace an exam and you make a public statement of it, you're raising other people's expectations (whether you interpret it this way or not in your own mind), that's definitely not rocket science, that's psychology 101.
Before AO, Fed said "him" and others should be the favorite (him is the key word here). It may have been more comfortable for him not to be considered a favorite. After the final, he broke down because he felt HE SHOULD HAVE WON, he shouldn't have let his fans down. That's called cracking under pressure. When you're that sensitive to pressure, the best way to relieve it is to downplay the expectations beforehand and maybe my idea is bizarre but I do have a notion that Fed needs to shed some pressure right now, I don't know why, maybe looking at the way he's lost matches recently...

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 07:58 AM
This is just how Federer pumps himself up. Some people throw in a fist pump after a nice-looking shot. Federer announces to the world in his latest press conference that he wants to and is going to the win the tournament. Different strokes is all.

Nope, did not say that.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 08:01 AM
[QUOTE=icedevil0289;3410536]
When you say you're ready to ace an exam and you make a public statement of it, you're raising other people's expectations (whether you interpret it this way or not in your own mind), that's definitely not rocket science, that's psychology 101.
Before AO Fed said him and others should be the favorite (him is the key word here). It may have been more comfortable for him not to be considered as a favorite). After the final, he broke down because he felt HE SHOULD HAVE WON, he shouldn't have let his fans down. That's called cracking under pressure. When you're that sensitive to pressure, the best way to relieve it is to downplay the expectations beforehand and maybe my idea is bizarre but I do have a notion that Fed needs to shed some pressure right now, I don't know why, maybe looking at the way he's lost matches recently...

he technically did not say him and others should be the favorite, he said that murray should not be considered the outright favorite and gave reasons why. Again, I still don't get why you care. Perhaps he needs to shed some pressure, but imo, what he said, I don't think adds a whole lot of pressure.

jelle v
05-12-2009, 08:11 AM
The way the OP translated it, fed said he was ready to win the tournament. Anyways, he admits that it is a high goal. He's not stupid or anything, no matter what certain *********s think.

Yes, but I hope I made it clear that Federer didn't put it as roughly as "I'm ready to win this tournament". That is a summary that doesn't do justice to what he said.

He is aware that what he is aiming for, is very difficult to reach, but he is convinced that if he plays well, that is is POSSIBLE to win the tournament.

He doesn't even state that if he plays wel, he will win, but that it is POSSIBLE to win, but that it still will be very difficult.

I don't see any harm in that statement, because he is simply right.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 08:15 AM
But you're missing my point. That is my hope and wish as a fan. Who cares if there is pressure on me? There is absolutely no proof that Roger Federer's game suffers because of what he said in a press conference. Or that he feels extra pressure. We don't know. Maybe he would do worse without feeling confident and feeling like he has a great chance to go all the way. He has always been confident about his chances. I don't feel that what he says in press conferences affect his court play.

Look, I love the way Rafa deals with these things, but I love them because that outlook works for him. Roger doesn't work that way (from what I know of him and I've been a fan for almost ten years now.) He has been progressing. He was a lot better in Rome. There's no reason for him to not believe that he can build upon a semi appearance in Rome. He feels that the court conditions will help him serve better and play more aggressive. Fact remains, he's one of the few men in the Madrid field that has beaten Rafa on clay or has "rattled" him. Rattle doesn't mean beat, just disrupt his game. Roger's a big picture guy. Rafa's not. He's not going to change who he is as a person because of a drop in ranking and a few losses. Roger's actually having a better year points wise than last year! Yes, he doesn't look as sharp as he did at this point last year, but it's not complete crazy talk to think he could win. If he doesn't follow through, it won't be because he put extra pressure on himself in a press conference. It will be because he didn't play as well as his opponent on that particular day.
I understand everything you're saying but I still think he will be held accountable for what he's saying to the press and to me it's undeniable that there is a lot of pressure on him to do well in the last clay court event before RG. Now why wouldn't he want to get rid of the pressure is beyond me and I suspect from his recent losses (and the racquet breaking or exhibited frustration: last match against Djoko being another case of "I should have won it" statement afterwards) that the pressure is affecting him as well.

Blade0324
05-12-2009, 08:17 AM
Sounds to me like Breakpoint shared some of the Federer love crack with Federer himself. Now Fed is looking to win a tourney that is actually set up for him to have an early round exit. I think he sounds like a desparate man that is grasping at anything he can to try and build himself up to feel better. He is really damaged goods mentally right now.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 08:18 AM
[QUOTE=veroniquem;3410576]

he technically did not say him and others should be the favorite, he said that murray should not be considered the outright favorite and gave reasons why. Again, I still don't get why you care. Perhaps he needs to shed some pressure, but imo, what he said, I don't think adds a whole lot of pressure.
He technically said both
a-Murray should not be the favorite
b- Me and a couple other guys should.
That's where we disagree, I can see the pressure affect him big time in his recent losses (not saying he would win without it, just saying it seems to complicate things further for him).

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 08:21 AM
[QUOTE=icedevil0289;3410587]
He technically said both
a-Murray should not be the favorite
b- Me and a couple other guys should.
That's where we disagree, I can see the pressure affect him big time in his recent losses (not saying he would win without it, just saying it seems to complicate things further for him).

okay, fine we should just agree to disagree, because we are just going in circles here. We're just going to have to wait and see what happens. Like seffina said, if he does not win, its not because of what he said in an interview, its because he did not play well and his opponent did. Anyways, if he makes it to the final, I'll consider that a good showing. If nadal and him both make it to the final, you know most likely that nadal will win.

vtmike
05-12-2009, 08:23 AM
Do you have a quote of Federer saying he is ready to win Madrid?

I'll just go ahead and answer that for you: No, that's because Federer never said that..

This is what Federer said, according to Tagesanzeiger:

Translation:

"in Rome you said your primary target was reaching the semi final. What's your goal in Madrid?"

"I'm now in a phase in the clay court season, that I want to win a tournament. In Monte Carlo I wanted to see how it would turn out, in Rome I was looking a little further ahead (in the draw I presume) and now I feel that I have the game to win the tournament. My goal therefore is to win the tournament. That is indeed a very high goal, but surely it is possible if I play well."

So there you go with your mindless Federer-bashing.. Of course you will have a lot of trolling to do because Federer said this, but that will be no surprise to anyone on this board.

Great post & thanks for the translation...But the rule here is everything that comes out of Federer's mouth is arrogant!

Blade0324
05-12-2009, 08:41 AM
Great post & thanks for the translation...But the rule here is everything that comes out of Federer's mouth is arrogant!

That is because of the way he comes across when saying it. He sounds arrogant thus people interpret it that way. It's all about the way you say something, the look on your face and the tones in your speech. I understand that he just tries to be honest, but he really should learn that when talking to the media that being honest is not really what you want to do. You need to be reserved and pretty much say what they want to hear or it's going to be taken out of context and used against you. It's just a PR thing that it seems Fed and Nole are not very good at and other players are better at.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:08 AM
[QUOTE=veroniquem;3410640]

okay, fine we should just agree to disagree, because we are just going in circles here. We're just going to have to wait and see what happens. Like seffina said, if he does not win, its not because of what he said in an interview, its because he did not play well and his opponent did. Anyways, if he makes it to the final, I'll consider that a good showing. If nadal and him both make it to the final, you know most likely that nadal will win.
It would actually be the best moment for him (or anyone else) to meet Nadal as Nadal has already won a lot and may already have his mind on RG rather than Madrid but that's not my point, my point is if he loses, of course it won't be BECAUSE OF an interview but what he said will still make the loss worse.

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:12 AM
Sounds to me like Breakpoint shared some of the Federer love crack with Federer himself. Now Fed is looking to win a tourney that is actually set up for him to have an early round exit. I think he sounds like a desparate man that is grasping at anything he can to try and build himself up to feel better. He is really damaged goods mentally right now.

I agree with you for the most part. It seems his statement was about boosting his own self-esteem more than anything.

We'll see by the results if he's delusional or truly still believes in himself.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:14 AM
Great post & thanks for the translation...But the rule here is everything that comes out of Federer's mouth is arrogant!
What is not arrogant about "I have the game to win the tournament"? Let's see if he can back up such a remarkable statement. (What makes it even funnier is that Madrid is a brand new tournament where all players are still trying to find their marks. It's not even like it's a tournament where he would have won several times in the past like Hamburg. Can't he at least wait a few matches to make such a definitive comment about an event he has 0 experience of and can't possibly know how comfortable he's gonna be in ? Once again, common sense is not Fed's forte).

The-Champ
05-12-2009, 09:15 AM
Fed is ready to win Madrid?

I think everyone who entered the draw is ready.

NamRanger
05-12-2009, 09:16 AM
What is not arrogant about "I have the game to win the tournament"? Let's see if he can back up such a remarkable statement. (What makes it even funnier is that Madrid is a brand new tournament where all players are still trying to find their marks. It's not even like it's a tournament where he would have won several times in the past like Hamburg. Can't he at least wait a few matches to make such a definitive comment about an event he has 0 experience of and can't possibly know how comfortable he's gonna be in it ? Once again, common sense is not Fed's forte).



The most remarkable part about this whole post is the fact that you actually think Federer does not have the game to win the tournament.

thejoe
05-12-2009, 09:16 AM
What is not arrogant about "I have the game to win the tournament"? Let's see if he can back up such a remarkable statement. (What makes it even funnier is that Madrid is a brand new tournaments where all players are still trying to find their marks. It's not even like it's a tournament where he would have won several times in the past like Hamburg. Can't he at least wait a few matches to make such a definitive comment about an event he has 0 experience of and can't possibly know how comfortable he's gonna be in it ? Once again, common sense is not Fed's forte).

It is the truth! If Nadal said it, no one would object, least of all you. You actively seek out ways to bash Federer. What is the point? It amuses me how you see yourself as objective. You are not. At all.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:16 AM
What is not arrogant about "I have the game to win the tournament"? Let's see if he can back up such a remarkable statement. (What makes it even funnier is that Madrid is a brand new tournaments where all players are still trying to find their marks. It's not even like it's a tournament where he would have won several times in the past like Hamburg. Can't he at least wait a few matches to make such a definitive comment about an event he has 0 experience of and can't possibly know how comfortable he's gonna be in it ? Once again, common sense is not Fed's forte).

wow, you are more and more the most ridiculous poster on these forums, you read into anything said what you wish to make your wanna be lover nadal a hero. my god can you not leave the bias at the door even for one post. your credibility here is already almost zero, dont make it worse please.

if rafa had made that same remark would you still be offended? of course not, bias and hypocrasy*

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:17 AM
It is the truth! If Nadal said it, no one would object, least of all you. You actively seek out ways to bash Federer. What is the point? It amuses me how you see yourself as objective. You are not. At all.

agree 10000 times over

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:17 AM
The most remarkable part about this whole post is the fact that you actually think Federer does not have the game to win the tournament.

Right now, he doesn't.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:17 AM
What is not arrogant about "I have the game to win the tournament"? Let's see if he can back up such a remarkable statement. (What makes it even funnier is that Madrid is a brand new tournament where all players are still trying to find their marks. It's not even like it's a tournament where he would have won several times in the past like Hamburg. Can't he at least wait a few matches to make such a definitive comment about an event he has 0 experience of and can't possibly know how comfortable he's gonna be in ? Once again, common sense is not Fed's forte).

:rolleyes:
10 char

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:18 AM
Right now, he doesn't.

that may well be true, but if he steps onto the court thinking that way, he has 0% chance to win, and well know thats true.

thejoe
05-12-2009, 09:18 AM
^Of course he does. He should have made the final in Rome, and can beat anyone on clay except Nadal.

NamRanger
05-12-2009, 09:19 AM
Right now, he doesn't.


He was just in the semis of a Masters tournament and was in position to win that match and make it to the finals. I'd say he's got the game still.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:19 AM
(What makes it even funnier is that Madrid is a brand new tournament where all players are still trying to find their marks.

amazing, how you use the fact its a new tournament to back your claims in this thread but use, "tradition" to back up your hero nadals words about the clay being blue.


you ma'am are a *******, nothing more, nothing less.

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:20 AM
that may well be true, but if she steps onto the court thinking that way, he has 0% chance to win, and well know thats true.

Did Fed have a sex change operation we didn't hear about?

Cesc Fabregas
05-12-2009, 09:20 AM
^Of course he does. He should have made the final in Rome, and can beat anyone on clay except Nadal.

Exactly, some of the Murray fans think Murray is now better on clay than Federer which is laughable.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:20 AM
Did Fed have a sex change operation we didn't hear about?

blah typo, its fixed

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:21 AM
He was just in the semis of a Masters tournament and was in position to win that match and make it to the finals. I'd say he's got the game still.

He's title-less in 2009 and hasn't won a Master's Series event in almost 2 years.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:21 AM
wow, you are more and more the most ridiculous poster on these forums, you read into anything said what you wish to make your wanna be lover nadal a hero. my god can you not leave the bias at the door even for one post. your credibility here is already almost zero, dont make it worse please.

if rafa had made that same remark would you still be offended? of course not, bias and hypocrasy*

it is kind of ironic, but I believe she told namranger or someone else that he was out of line for criticizing nadal's opinion of madrid or something like that, yet she has no problem doing the same thing about what fed says. The amount of hypocrisy in her posts just keeps building and building. I found quite a few her posts amusing in the thread about madrid and blue clay.

thejoe
05-12-2009, 09:21 AM
He's title-less in 2009 and hasn't won a Master's Series event in almost 2 years.

So? He won a GS title in September, and made the final of the last one, nearly winning it.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:21 AM
it is kind of ironic, but I believe she told namranger or someone else that he was out of line for criticizing nadal's opinion of madrid or something like that, yet she has no problem doing the same thing about what fed says. The amount of hypocrisy in her posts just keeps building and building. I found quite a few her posts amusing in the thread about madrid and blue clay.

i loved baiting that thread repeatedly for 4 hours of entertainment.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:22 AM
The most remarkable part about this whole post is the fact that you actually think Federer does not have the game to win the tournament.
Really? And yet he hasn't had the game to win any tournament for the last 6 months, hasn't won a master on clay for the last 2 years. Why exactly would I trust that this one (Madrid) is gonna be a sure win for him even before the first point gets played? His obvious progress on the surface? The ease with which he has been beating his main rivals recently? Please enlighten me.

jelle v
05-12-2009, 09:24 AM
What is not arrogant about "I have the game to win the tournament"? Let's see if he can back up such a remarkable statement. (What makes it even funnier is that Madrid is a brand new tournament where all players are still trying to find their marks. It's not even like it's a tournament where he would have won several times in the past like Hamburg. Can't he at least wait a few matches to make such a definitive comment about an event he has 0 experience of and can't possibly know how comfortable he's gonna be in ? Once again, common sense is not Fed's forte).

Where are you getting these quotes...? wow.. it's mind blowing..

From what I read, all he says is that if he plays well, it is possible for him to win the tournament, but that it will be very difficult, but is still is his goal. Now, what is so arrogant about that.. nothing, but you keep on trolling.

edit:
Really? And yet he hasn't had the game to win any tournament for the last 6 months, hasn't win a master on clay for the last 2 years. Why exactly would I trust that this one (Madrid) is gonna be a sure win for him even before the first point gets played? His obvious progress on the surface? The ease with which he has been beating his main rivals recently? Please enlighten me.

Wow.. no one is claiming that Madrid is a sure win for Federer.. no one.. keep trolling..

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:24 AM
So? He won a GS title in September, and made the final of the last one, nearly winning it.

So, he's won just 1 GS title and 0 MS titles since the 2007 USO.

thejoe
05-12-2009, 09:25 AM
Really? And yet he hasn't had the game to win any tournament for the last 6 months, hasn't win a master on clay for the last 2 years. Why exactly would I trust that this one (Madrid) is gonna be a sure win for him even before the first point gets played? His obvious progress on the surface? The ease with which he has been beating his main rivals recently? Please enlighten me.

He is number 2 in the world and has "the game" to win anything he enters. He has not, and we have not said he will win it. Only you are suggesting that he means this, to make him look bad, as you always do.

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:25 AM
it is kind of ironic, but I believe she told namranger or someone else that he was out of line for criticizing nadal's opinion of madrid or something like that, yet she has no problem doing the same thing about what fed says. The amount of hypocrisy in her posts just keeps building and building. I found quite a few her posts amusing in the thread about madrid and blue clay.

i loved baiting that thread repeatedly for 4 hours of entertainment.

So, you admit to trolling, intentionally.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:26 AM
So, he's won just 1 GS title and 0 MS titles since the 2007 USO.

thing is, any of the top 4 can and will win titles again and most likely this year, why not it be here than there or somewhere else?

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:26 AM
He is number 2 in the world and has "the game" to win anything he enters. He has not, and we have not said he will win it. Only you are suggesting that he means this, to make him look bad, as you always do.

He's holding onto number 2 by the skin of his teeth.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:26 AM
wow, you are more and more the most ridiculous poster on these forums, you read into anything said what you wish to make your wanna be lover nadal a hero. my god can you not leave the bias at the door even for one post. your credibility here is already almost zero, dont make it worse please.

if rafa had made that same remark would you still be offended? of course not, bias and hypocrasy*
I didn't bring Nadal in this thread, you do. In fact the only thing you do is bash Nadal in every thread, not that it bothers me, please feel free to indulge but don't act like you're the "anti-bashing" brigade of the board.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:27 AM
So, you admit to trolling, intentionally.

rofl

10 char

i responded in hopes to get more false info from her, but made NO post that didnt include relevant information. thus not a rules infraction

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:27 AM
I didn't bring Nadal in this thread, you do. In fact the only thing you do is bash Nadal in every thread, not that it bothers me, please feel free to indulge but don't act like you're the "anti-bashing" brigade of the board.

please i beg you, find a thread where i bash nadal.. just one post please!

i bash *******s, not nadal as i respect his game and his non use of bashing in his press releases.

whereas, you yourself, are one of the biggest bashers in existance.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:28 AM
Where are you getting these quotes...? wow.. it's mind blowing..

From what I read, all he says is that if he plays well, it is possible for him to win the tournament, but that it will be very difficult, but is still is his goal. Now, what is so arrogant about that.. nothing, but you keep on trolling.

edit:


Wow.. no one is claiming that Madrid is a sure win for Federer.. no one.. keep trolling..
Where am I getting this quote? ("I have the game to win the tournament") From the article you posted, maybe you should also read it before posting it!

vtmike
05-12-2009, 09:28 AM
So, he's won just 1 GS title and 0 MS titles since the 2007 USO.

So? Whats your point?

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:28 AM
rofl

10 char

i responded in hopes to get more false info from her, but made NO post that didnt include relevant information. thus not a rules infraction

K, just checking :)

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:29 AM
So? Whats your point?

If you've been following the thread... my point is Federer doesn't currently have the game to assume he's ready to win the Madrid title.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:29 AM
please i beg you, find a thread where i bash nadal.. just one post please!

i bash *******s, not nadal as i respect his game and his non use of bashing in his press releases.
Didn't you just "call him out" on his complaints about the blue clay?
Ah hypocrisy is so annoying...

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:31 AM
So, you admit to trolling, intentionally.

why are clikcing the report button repeatedly? and if so, why? what have i ever done to you?

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:31 AM
Didn't you just "call him out" on his complaints about the blue clay?
Ah hypocrisy is so annoying...

yes i did, i did call him out, and as i stated in THAT VERY POST, it was the very first time. lemme go copy and paste it for you in a second.

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:33 AM
why are clikcing the report button repeatedly? and if so, why? what have i ever done to you?

What are you blabbing about? I've got better things to do than report your silly posts.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:33 AM
lol nadal might have alot of money from tennis but lets not try to compare his salary to those NBA guys you speak of. its not even close, his lifetime earnings might look nice on paper but compare it to the 72 mil a year jordan made or maybe what Kobe makes now or even lebron. that comparison isnt fair.

secondly, whats he complaining about really. the height of the place on the planet. sadly, thats kinda lame, and this is the first time ive read something nadal said that was totally classless. that city cannot be held accountable for its geographic positioning.

third, whats his complaint with blue clay? he says history and tradition, then remove clay and carpet and hardcourts all together. o wait that surely wouldnt please him either.

i call and spade and spade no matter who is speaking. this is the first time ive had to call nadal out on a press conference for being obsrud. and anyone else going crazy over blue clay better realize quickly that people alot smarter than you and me have made these decisions, and they are trying to save our beloved sport. you know, the one with the worst ratings and viewer numbers on the freaking planet. let them experiement, if its helps bring in fans and tennis revenue then its good. if it doesnt then you can sit back and give all the i told you sos you want. if tradition really meant that much to anyone wimbledon wouldnt now have a roof. that should be 100345856842590 times more prevelant than blue clay.


THIS IS THE ENTIRE POST< READ IT CAREFULLY

Cyan
05-12-2009, 09:33 AM
Hmmmm. Interesting. In order for Fed to win Madrid he is going to have to beat either Rafa(if he decides not to tank this tournament early) or Nole in the final. Rafa and Nole are the 2 best claycourters in the world. We are not in 2007 any more... See, no matter how much the *******s in the ATP rig and fix the draw to help Fed by putting his pigeons like Blake, Davydenko and Roddick in his quarter, Fed still is going to have to beat one of the top 2 claycourters in the world to win this. Murray who has not showed anything special on clay so far is in his half, of course. :rolleyes:

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:33 AM
Didn't you just "call him out" on his complaints about the blue clay?
Ah hypocrisy is so annoying...

hahaha, oh god the irony.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:34 AM
What are you blabbing about? I've got better things to do than report your silly posts.

im curious, as i cannot put a finger on it, are you a nadal fan or do you have another favorite>?

jelle v
05-12-2009, 09:34 AM
Where am I getting this quote? From the article you posted, maybe you should also read it before posting it!

Aha, so I see.. so you are selectively quoting out of context.. keep trolling.. Again, you can rest assured that Federer is aware that he has set himself a very difficult to reach goal. He simply feels that if he plays well, it is POSSIBLE for him to win the tournament. How arrogant of him.. :cry:

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:34 AM
Hmmmm. Interesting. In order for Fed to win Madrid he is going to have to beat either Rafa(if he decides not to tank this tournament early) or Nole in the final. Rafa and Nole are the 2 best claycourters in the world. We are not in 2007 any more... See, no matter how much the *******s in the ATP rig and fix the draw to help Fed by putting his pigeons like Blake, Davydenko and Roddick in his quarter, Fed still is going to have to beat one of the top 2 claycourters in the world to win this. Murray who has not showed anything special on clay so far is in his half, of course. :rolleyes:

I'd love to see Federer play Murray in this tournament. Hopefully, both will make it that far.

Bud
05-12-2009, 09:35 AM
im curious, as i cannot put a finger on it, are you a nadal fan or do you have another favorite>?

I'm a tennis fan... and call it like I see it.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:38 AM
lol nadal might have alot of money from tennis but lets not try to compare his salary to those NBA guys you speak of. its not even close, his lifetime earnings might look nice on paper but compare it to the 72 mil a year jordan made or maybe what Kobe makes now or even lebron. that comparison isnt fair.

secondly, whats he complaining about really. the height of the place on the planet. sadly, thats kinda lame, and this is the first time ive read something nadal said that was totally classless. that city cannot be held accountable for its geographic positioning.

third, whats his complaint with blue clay? he says history and tradition, then remove clay and carpet and hardcourts all together. o wait that surely wouldnt please him either.

i call and spade and spade no matter who is speaking. this is the first time ive had to call nadal out on a press conference for being obsrud. and anyone else going crazy over blue clay better realize quickly that people alot smarter than you and me have made these decisions, and they are trying to save our beloved sport. you know, the one with the worst ratings and viewer numbers on the freaking planet. let them experiement, if its helps bring in fans and tennis revenue then its good. if it doesnt then you can sit back and give all the i told you sos you want. if tradition really meant that much to anyone wimbledon wouldnt now have a roof. that should be 100345856842590 times more prevelant than blue clay.


THIS IS THE ENTIRE POST< READ IT CAREFULLY

she of all people has no right to tell people not to criticize a player and what he says and say its out of line because thats what she pretty much does half the time here.

vtmike
05-12-2009, 09:38 AM
im curious, as i cannot put a finger on it, are you a nadal fan or do you have another favorite>?

Oh he is a Nadal fan in the same league as N_F & Ver...Ok maybe a level lower than them as those two are supereme

thejoe
05-12-2009, 09:39 AM
Hmmmm. Interesting. In order for Fed to win Madrid he is going to have to beat either Rafa(if he decides not to tank this tournament early) or Nole in the final. Rafa and Nole are the 2 best claycourters in the world. We are not in 2007 any more... See, no matter how much the *******s in the ATP rig and fix the draw to help Fed by putting his pigeons like Blake, Davydenko and Roddick in his quarter, Fed still is going to have to beat one of the top 2 claycourters in the world to win this. Murray who has not showed anything special on clay so far is in his half, of course. :rolleyes:

For Gods sake :roll: You're boring everyone with this constant crap-stream.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:39 AM
I'm a tennis fan... and call it like I see it.

fair enough, and since im a roddick fan and only dislike to an extreme degree serena williams, i have no true favorite during clay season either. i dont like to see federer do well at all since he has stood in my fav's way for so long. i have no problems with nadal other than his defensive playstyle. to me its less than exciting tennis. i attack ***** in general be them fed or nadal or any

gshaffer23
05-12-2009, 09:39 AM
So let me get this straight... all of this because Fed says he is ready and playing well enough to win the tournament??

Who in their right mind says such stuff? I mean, the other top players have no thoughts about being ready and playing well enough to win the tournament right?

Cracks me up reading some of this stuff.... when any of us can pick up a racquet and win 13 majors then we should comment on what a guy should or shouldn't say leading into a tournament. We have no idea what goes on in the head of a competitor the likes of Fed, Nadal, etc...

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:40 AM
Oh he is a Nadal fan in the same league as N_F & Ver...Ok maybe a level lower than them as those two are supereme

even N_F didn't say anything. I believe his posts had something to do with the surface and if how high bouncing it is.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:41 AM
she of all people has no right to tell people not to criticize a player and what he says and say its out of line because thats what she pretty much does half the time here.

she doesnt bother me, neither do her out of context quotes. if she starts attacking monfils, roddick or isner i might get a little upset, but otherwise i find the bias entertaining to read and debate with. in the blue madrid post myself and 2 of my firends were here at my house after league practice cracking up reading all the responses.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:42 AM
even N_F didn't say anything. I believe his posts had something to do with the surface and if how high bouncing it is.

N_F made one major argument, the blue was ugly. thats about it as far as i can remember.

Cyan
05-12-2009, 09:43 AM
For Gods sake :roll: You're boring everyone with this constant crap-stream.

Lets see if Murray mans up on clay then.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:43 AM
yes i did, i did call him out, and as i stated in THAT VERY POST, it was the very first time. lemme go copy and paste it for you in a second.
You do it often enough. You even posted that the "why I don't like to see Nadal at #1" thread is much more credible than the "I like to see Nadal at #1 one". Sure, I see your point, let's move on.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:44 AM
deleted til i can copy paste this reference

thejoe
05-12-2009, 09:44 AM
Lets see if Murray mans up on clay then.

That's not my point. It's the conspiracy theory crap that annoys me.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:45 AM
she of all people has no right to tell people not to criticize a player and what he says and say its out of line because thats what she pretty much does half the time here.
He was the one telling me not to, not the opposite. I'm 100% in favor of criticizing and 100% against unsubstanciated bashing.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:45 AM
N_F made one major argument, the blue was ugly. thats about it as far as i can remember.

no I was talking about for this thread. Even N_F didn't attack fed for what he said. He just commented on the surface. As for as the madrid blue clay thread, I just got confused because I wasn't sure if certain people were taking about looks or the way it plays, because first they said they don't like it because it looks ugly and someone said if it plays the same its no big deal and then they respond by saying it doesn't play the same and then someone brings up wimbledon which imo is a bigger change and then they say its still grass, little green blades. I got really confused. Oh well.

seffina
05-12-2009, 09:45 AM
lol nadal might have alot of money from tennis but lets not try to compare his salary to those NBA guys you speak of. its not even close, his lifetime earnings might look nice on paper but compare it to the 72 mil a year jordan made or maybe what Kobe makes now or even lebron. that comparison isnt fair.

secondly, whats he complaining about really. the height of the place on the planet. sadly, thats kinda lame, and this is the first time ive read something nadal said that was totally classless. that city cannot be held accountable for its geographic positioning.

third, whats his complaint with blue clay? he says history and tradition, then remove clay and carpet and hardcourts all together. o wait that surely wouldnt please him either.

i call and spade and spade no matter who is speaking. this is the first time ive had to call nadal out on a press conference for being obsrud. and anyone else going crazy over blue clay better realize quickly that people alot smarter than you and me have made these decisions, and they are trying to save our beloved sport. you know, the one with the worst ratings and viewer numbers on the freaking planet. let them experiement, if its helps bring in fans and tennis revenue then its good. if it doesnt then you can sit back and give all the i told you sos you want. if tradition really meant that much to anyone wimbledon wouldnt now have a roof. that should be 100345856842590 times more prevelant than blue clay.Sorry for getting off topic, but I wanted to mention two things. You're obviously entitled to your right to call out Nadal if you dislike his opinions. I just wanted to clarify that Nadal never blamed Madrid for being at a high altitude. He only said that he felt like a tourny like Rome or MC or Barcelona that has similar elevation as Paris should precede RG so the transition is easy for everyone. Then he went on to say that these are conditions that everyone has to deal with, so he'll deal with them as well.

Secondly, he was asked if he liked the blue clay and he said no, he preferred to stick with the traditional red. Again, it was an answer to a direct question asking his opinion. He hadn't set out to complain against it.

As I mentioned in that thread, I don't care for the blue clay, but it's not a huge deal to me if they use it. One blue clay tournament out of 30 clay tournaments is not a big deal even if it plays differently. It's worth experimenting even if I personally don't have a hard time viewing the ball on the regular courts. And as I said in that thread, sponsor money definitely makes this a worthwhile experiment as long as it is done through the proper channels (like Federer hoped.)

Alright, back to the regularly scheduled discussion on Fed thinking Fed should think Fed could... and so on.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:46 AM
You do it often enough. You even posted that the "why I don't like to see Nadal at #1" thread is much more credible than the "I like to see Nadal at #1 one". Sure, I see your point, let's move on.

this thread is simply trying to pick a fight, its fail.


the other thread was posting a link to someone who at least had credintials above forum posting, some of it may be true you said, but half of it is merely trolling if not more than half. grow up dude.


thereis that post in question.. i simply stated that an amateur poster had less credibility than someone who at least wrote for a living and made money doing it. keep grasping at straws, its working really.

vtmike
05-12-2009, 09:46 AM
even N_F didn't say anything. I believe his posts had something to do with the surface and if how high bouncing it is.

Yeah she makes N_F look like an objective & rational poster in this thread :shock: ...didn't know that could be done!

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:46 AM
He was the one telling me not to, not the opposite. I'm 100% in favor of criticizing and 100% against unsubstanciated bashing.

weren't you the one who who said deltox or who ever wa s"out of line" for criticizing nadal's opinion or whatever?

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:47 AM
Sorry for getting off topic, but I wanted to mention two things. You're obviously entitled to your right to call out Nadal if you dislike his opinions. I just wanted to clarify that Nadal never blamed Madrid for being at a high altitude. He only said that he felt like a tourny like Rome or MC or Barcelona that has similar elevation as Paris should precede RG so the transition is easy for everyone. Then he went on to say that these are conditions that everyone has to deal with, so he'll deal with them as well.

Secondly, he was asked if he liked the blue clay and he said no, he preferred to stick with the traditional red. Again, it was an answer to a direct question asking his opinion. He hadn't set out to complain against it.

As I mentioned in that thread, I don't care for the blue clay, but it's not a huge deal to me if they use it. One blue clay tournament out of 30 clay tournaments is not a big deal even if it plays differently. It's worth experimenting even if I personally don't have a hard time viewing the ball on the regular courts. And as I said in that thread, sponsor money definitely makes this a worthwhile experiment as long as it is done through the proper channels (like Federer hoped.)

Alright, back to the regularly scheduled discussion on Fed thinking Fed should think Fed could... and so on.

yes i know, it was cleared up later in that thread. and i conceded the points about altitude. my whole argument that thread was simple, try it once to see if more people watch and do polls to see how the tv viewers felt about it, nothing more.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:47 AM
Yeah she makes N_F look like an objective & rational poster in this thread :shock: ...didn't know that could be done!

I know its going to sound shocking, but N_F is cool. You know what your going to get from him post of the time, it doesn't bother me one bit.

gzhpcu
05-12-2009, 09:48 AM
Man, I'll think twice before starting a thread about Federer or Nadal in the future... Didn't think I'd stir up such a wasp's nest...:shock:

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:50 AM
Man, I'll think twice before starting a thread about Federer or Nadal in the future... Didn't think I'd stir up such a wasp's nest...:shock:

lmao! perhaps you should have left it in the other thread you created, but its all good. Its amazing how such a simple sentence like 'i'm ready to win madrid" could get so much scrutiny.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:50 AM
fair enough, and since im a roddick fan and only dislike to an extreme degree serena williams, i have no true favorite during clay season either. i dont like to see federer do well at all since he has stood in my fav's way for so long. i have no problems with nadal other than his defensive playstyle. to me its less than exciting tennis. i attack ***** in general be them fed or nadal or any
Oh Nadal's game is less than exciting but you've never bashed Nadal ever right? I'm just imagining it...
As I said hypocrisy is one thing I don't like.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:50 AM
Man, I'll think twice before starting a thread about Federer or Nadal in the future... Didn't think I'd stir up such a wasp's nest...:shock:

it always does, federer fans and nadal fans have some severe hatred going on. and for reference it doesnt have to name them indivudally. just mention goat, Master shields, clay courts, the FO or anything giving reference to those things and its on like donkey kong.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:51 AM
Oh Nadal's game is less that exciting but you've never bashed Nadal ever right? I'm just imagining it...
As I said hypocrisy is one thing I don't like.

again with the irony Btw do you read what you write before posting it. Since when was calling someone's game not that exciting considered bashing?

vtmike
05-12-2009, 09:53 AM
I'm a tennis fan... and call it like I see it.

Yeah sure you do... :roll:

Federer's style of play is monumentally more bland than Nadal's. Nadal and his opponents often produce nail-biting rallies ending with huge roars of crowd approval as the point is ended via brilliant shot by Nadal or his opponent.

The entertainment value of a Nadal match is twice that of any Federer match... past or present.

The only thing exciting about a current Federer match (assuming he's not playing Nadal) is anticipating the mental meltdown and the accompanying shock from bloggers and the press.

:lol:

gzhpcu
05-12-2009, 09:53 AM
it always does, federer fans and nadal fans have some severe hatred going on. and for reference it doesnt have to name them indivudally. just mention goat, Master shields, clay courts, the FO or anything giving reference to those things and its on like donkey kong.
Wonder why? They are both fine players...:confused:

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:54 AM
this thread is simply trying to pick a fight, its fail.


the other thread was posting a link to someone who at least had credintials above forum posting, some of it may be true you said, but half of it is merely trolling if not more than half. grow up dude.


thereis that post in question.. i simply stated that an amateur poster had less credibility than someone who at least wrote for a living and made money doing it. keep grasping at straws, its working really.
The other thread was written by a renowned Nadal hater who had already bashed him in numerous other articles. Of course you were not supposed to know that but his so-called arguments should have sufficed as they were as preposterous and as possibly abusive to Nadal's game as they could possibly be.

Breakaz54z
05-12-2009, 09:54 AM
Sorry for getting off topic, but I wanted to mention two things. ...

COMPLETELY off topic but, I like your avatar. Hotaru no Hikari... nice.

In relation to this thread, I agree with the first posters, let Federer have his confidence. I'd rather not see players mopey on court.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:54 AM
Oh Nadal's game is less that exciting but you've never bashed Nadal ever right? I'm just imagining it...
As I said hypocrisy is one thing I don't like.

giving my opinion is now conisdered bashing?

let me take a moment to clarify for you when comparing fed v nadal in my eyes

1. technically fed is a better player although its not paying off now.
2. federer loosk better on court with his movement.
3. fed has the better serve and forhand
4. nadal have way better footsppeed
5. nadal has a much better backhand and uses tons more spin
6. nadal has a tougher mentality
7. nadal is the undisputed #1 at this time in tennis
8. federer will win his 14 slam sometime
9. nadal will get close to or tie or may even break 12-15 slams
10. nadal only has one real rival on clay in my eyes and its nole
11. it makes me sick when fed is in roddicks 1/4
12 i respect nadal for not bashing in PC's altohugh i wish he did use his opinion more often
13. screw it thats enough to show i dont have bias between the two

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:55 AM
it always does, federer fans and nadal fans have some severe hatred going on. and for reference it doesnt have to name them indivudally. just mention goat, Master shields, clay courts, the FO or anything giving reference to those things and its on like donkey kong.
And you participated 100% in making it so.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:55 AM
The other thread was written by a renowned Nadal hater who had already bashed him in numerous other articles. Of course you were not supposed to know that but his so-called arguments should have sufficed as they were as preposterous and as possibly abusive to Nadal's game as they could possibly be. be .

ok, but he gave opinions of without intention of trying to start a war on these forums, unlike the other thread which stated obvious untruths in the thread to start nothing more than a flame war.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:56 AM
And you participated 100% in making it so.

really in my 2 months as a member? i started it all, thats awesome assumptions there ma'am

drakulie
05-12-2009, 09:56 AM
Oh Nadal's game is less that exciting but you've never bashed Nadal ever right? I'm just imagining it...
As I said hypocrisy is one thing I don't like.

No one on this board has "bashed" Nadal more than you or Nadal_Freak. Constantly making him out to be a wuss, and excusing every single error he makes on a court. >>>>


The sun was in his eyes,
he is tired,
exhausted,
he has a blister,
he had a tough draw,
he was forced to play at night,
he wasn't scheduled to play on center courts,
the clay court schedule isn't fair
there aren't enough clay court events
the ATP schedule isn't fair
he is made to play two days in a row
he is being drug tested, etc.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 09:57 AM
giving my opinion is now conisdered bashing?

let me take a moment to clarify for you when comparing fed v nadal in my eyes

1. technically fed is a better player although its not paying off now.
2. federer loosk better on court with his movement.
3. fed has the better serve and forhand
4. nadal have way better footsppeed
5. nadal has a much better backhand and uses tons more spin
6. nadal has a tougher mentality
7. nadal is the undisputed #1 at this time in tennis
8. federer will win his 14 slam sometime
9. nadal will get close to or tie or may even break 12-15 slams
10. nadal only has one real rival on clay in my eyes and its nole
11. it makes me sick when fed is in roddicks 1/4
12 i respect nadal for not bashing in PC's altohugh i wish he did use his opinion more often
13. screw it thats enough to show i dont have bias between the two
You have every right to criticize whoever and whatever but do not under any circumstances jump at my throat like you did in this thread because of something I'm criticizing after that.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:58 AM
giving my opinion is now conisdered bashing?

let me take a moment to clarify for you when comparing fed v nadal in my eyes

1. technically fed is a better player although its not paying off now.
2. federer loosk better on court with his movement.
3. fed has the better serve and forhand
4. nadal have way better footsppeed
5. nadal has a much better backhand and uses tons more spin
6. nadal has a tougher mentality
7. nadal is the undisputed #1 at this time in tennis
8. federer will win his 14 slam sometime
9. nadal will get close to or tie or may even break 12-15 slams
10. nadal only has one real rival on clay in my eyes and its nole
11. it makes me sick when fed is in roddicks 1/4
12 i respect nadal for not bashing in PC's altohugh i wish he did use his opinion more often
13. screw it thats enough to show i dont have bias between the two

lol. She probably won't read through all of it. She'll probably stop at no. 1 and get angry. Anyways, its quite ironic that she thinks your being hypocritical. Again wasn't she the same person who told you were out of line for criticizing nadal in the other thread?

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:59 AM
And you participated 100% in making it so.

i think i may have formed my first deltoxhater on these forums.

seffina
05-12-2009, 09:59 AM
it always does, federer fans and nadal fans have some severe hatred going on. and for reference it doesnt have to name them indivudally. just mention goat, Master shields, clay courts, the FO or anything giving reference to those things and its on like donkey kong.

Try being a fan of both. It's like a meat grinder. :)

--------
Btw, gzhpcu, I've appreciated both of your threads very much. Thanks for the article and the pictures!

COMPLETELY off topic but, I like your avatar. Hotaru no Hikari... nice.Buchou! Thanks!

mandy01
05-12-2009, 09:59 AM
To be honest I do not think Roger should think about the title too much incase he is, even if he's earned the right to.I dont care about what he said in the PC.Its just a PC afterall.I just feel that putting extra pressure on himself will hurt him.I dont care about what fans think,but I dont want him to be a victim of his own pressure.Roger,for a long time thrived on pressure.He's always maintained that he enjoys the pressure,he enjoys the challenge.But pressure is something which geats to the greatest of humans .And esp.this year,it seems to be getting to Roger.This is I believe evidenced by what happened in Australia.
Just because something worked for you in the past,dosent mean it always will.
The fact that its now Nadal who's assumed the role of being the favourite on pretty much all surfaces,could actually be used by Roger to relax a bit.
I know he wants to win.I know he desperately wants to do better than he has done this year.I just dont want to see him being greatly led down on the eve of a GS even if it isnt where he hasnt won before. All these are of course purely my speculations.But anyway, I hope that he will be able to do well.That if he is expecting to go far,he is able to do so.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 09:59 AM
No one on this board has "bashed" Nadal more than you or Nadal_Freak. Constantly making him out to be a wuss, and excusing every single error he makes on a court. >>>>


The sun was in his eyes,
he is tired,
exhausted,
he has a blister,
he had a tough draw,
he was forced to play at night,
he wasn't scheduled to play on center courts,
the clay court schedule isn't fair
there aren't enough clay court events
the ATP schedule isn't fair
he is made to play two days in a row
he is being drug tested, etc.


lmao!! Good point.

deltox
05-12-2009, 09:59 AM
lol. She probably won't read through all of it. She'll probably stop at no. 1 and get angry. Anyways, its quite ironic that she thinks your being hypocritical. Again wasn't she the same person who told you were out of line for criticizing nadal in the other thread?

in short yes, she has double standards its apparent.

jelle v
05-12-2009, 09:59 AM
You have every right to criticize whoever and whatever but do not under any circumstances jump at my throat like you did in this thread because of something I'm criticizing after that.

Are you threatening him.. :shock:

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:00 AM
Try being a fan of both. It's like a meat grinder. :)

--------
Btw, gzhpcu, I've appreciated both of your threads very much. Thanks for the article and the pictures!

Buchou! Thanks!

i am a fan of the game honestly, i pull for the non top 4 more than anything else.

todays greatest news for me was that isner is going to the FO. made me smile inside. worst news this year for me is monfils injury problems.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 10:01 AM
i am a fan of the game honestly, i pull for the non top 4 more than anything else.

todays greatest news for me was that isner is going to the FO. made me smile inside.

congrats to isner!

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:01 AM
ok, but he gave opinions of without intention of trying to start a war on these forums, unlike the other thread which stated obvious untruths in the thread to start nothing more than a flame war.
He was completely flaming but pretending not to do so while doing so, something very commonly done and even worse pretending to give a veneer of "science" to his personal hatred.
But that's irrelevant to this thread anyway.

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:03 AM
You have every right to criticize whoever and whatever but do not under any circumstances jump at my throat like you did in this thread because of something I'm criticizing after that.

how did i jump at (you meant down) your throat? i attack your posts with zeal, because you have to much bias in every single post. i do not attack nadal freak or other nadal fans. they at least admit wrongs, unlike you and your perfectionist opinions.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:03 AM
Are you threatening him.. :shock:
No, I'm telling him not to have double standards (which seems to be something important to him as well).

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:05 AM
He was completely flaming but pretending not to do so while doing so, something very commonly done and even worse pretending to give a veneer of "science" to his personal hatred.
But that's irrelevant to this thread anyway.

you my friend are delusional. your are either misreading my posts or intentionally warping my words.

you are also the very one who attacked my thread about the most disliked top 10 active player. someone reported it to get it pulled down calling it a thread causing hatred.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:05 AM
how did i jump at (you meant down) your throat? i attack your posts with zeal, because you have to much bias in every single post. i do not attack nadal freak or other nadal fans. they at least admit wrongs, unlike you and your perfectionist opinions.
My problem is that you have as much bias as me. Unless you admit that, there's no reason why I should pay attention to your opinion at all.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 10:06 AM
He was completely flaming but pretending not to do so while doing so, something very commonly done and even worse pretending to give a veneer of "science" to his personal hatred.
But that's irrelevant to this thread anyway.

and the other thread about why someone likes nadal as no.1 and fed at no.2 wasn't flaming, or was it because you actually happen to agree that you didn't see it that way? Btw as far as that thread goes, didn't the OP just present a link to someone's blog. I didn't think it was the actual OP's opinion. Maybe I'm wrong.

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:06 AM
No, I'm telling him not to have double standards (which seems to be something important to him as well).

please give me a reference to my double standards. do you think i didnt say federers woman was fugly? did i not say federer needed to be mentally stronger, did i not say that federer was wayy past his prime. you arent paying attention.

Cyan
05-12-2009, 10:06 AM
Hopefully we get a Rafa-Murray or a Nole-Murray final in Madrid. That would be awesome.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:06 AM
you my friend are delusional. your are either misreading my posts or intentionally warping my words.

you are also the very one who attacked my thread about the most disliked top 10 active player. someone reported it to get it pulled down calling it a thread causing hatred.
I was not talking about you, I was talking about the guy who wrote the "why I don't like to see Nadal at #1" (the post you defended as " having credibility").

mandy01
05-12-2009, 10:06 AM
No one on this board has "bashed" Nadal more than you or Nadal_Freak. Constantly making him out to be a wuss, and excusing every single error he makes on a court. >>>>


The sun was in his eyes,
he is tired,
exhausted,
he has a blister,
he had a tough draw,
he was forced to play at night,
he wasn't scheduled to play on center courts,
the clay court schedule isn't fair
there aren't enough clay court events
the ATP schedule isn't fair
he is made to play two days in a row
he is being drug tested, etc.http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/drunk-irish-048.gif Brilliant drak!

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:07 AM
My problem is that you have as much bias as me. Unless you admit that, there's no reason why I should pay attention to your opinion at all.

please let me know who my bias is towards?


if you say roddick i agree, if you say monfils i agree, if you say serena i agree, if you say isner i agree, to anyone else i whole heartedly disagree.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 10:08 AM
please let me know who my bias is towards?


if you say roddick i agree, if you say monfils i agree, if you say serena i agree, if you say isner i agree, to anyone else i whole heartedly disagree.

you said that nadal's game is not that exciting. Your's such a nadal hater. Please don't pretend otherwise. :)

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:08 AM
I was not talking about you, I was talking about the guy who wrote the "why I don't like to see Nadal at #1" (the post you defended as " having credibility".

well then my apologies, as you quoted me. i dont know that guy, i dont agree with everything he said, but he by no means said federer was better at every aspect of tennis . the other thread said that exactly in favor of nadal.

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:09 AM
you said that nadal's game is not that exciting. Your's such a nadal hater. Please don't pretend otherwise. :)

i concede, you got me. i cant lie, i dont personally find nadals game as exciting as the attackers and flat hitters on tour today.


gonna go crawl in my hole now that ive been found out ;)

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:11 AM
No it wasn't the OP although the OP seemed to agree with it as well. The other thread was in reply to that original thread. I certainly feel that if people start posting threads about Nadal being an undeserving #1, people are welcome to present counterarguments.

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:12 AM
No it wasn't the OP although the OP seemed to agree with it as well. The other thread was in reply to that original thread. I certainly feel that if people start posting threads about Nadal being an undeserving #1, people are welcome to present counterarguments.

nooen can honestly say he is undeserving to be #1, number dont lie, as pointed out in the serena thread. its just the lack of attacking that most people in my opinion have a problem with.

he plays a different game as a #1, instead of attacking he forces errors. boring for me, although others may have a different opinion.

LanceStern
05-12-2009, 10:13 AM
What was this thread about originally again?

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:14 AM
really in my 2 months as a member? i started it all, thats awesome assumptions there ma'am
No in this particular thread, Mister.

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:14 AM
I was not talking about you, I was talking about the guy who wrote the "why I don't like to see Nadal at #1" (the post you defended as " having credibility").

he did at least take some time to break down the reasoning behind his rants, whereas the other post just made baseless accusations

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 10:15 AM
nooen can honestly say he is undeserving to be #1, number dont lie, as pointed out in the serena thread. its just the lack of attacking that most people in my opinion have a problem with.

he plays a different game as a #1, instead of attacking he forces errors. boring for me, although others may have a different opinion.

the person actually said nadal was quite deserving of no.1, just didn't like to see it because he doesn;t enjoy nadal's brand of tennis. Fair enough to me.

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:15 AM
What was this thread about originally again?

ATTACKING ,, err no wait, its about federer stating an opinion of himself. kinda got lost for a second myself.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:15 AM
nooen can honestly say he is undeserving to be #1, number dont lie, as pointed out in the serena thread. its just the lack of attacking that most people in my opinion have a problem with.

he plays a different game as a #1, instead of attacking he forces errors. boring for me, although others may have a different opinion.
Yes I disagree that he never attacks but you derailed this thread toward Nadal when this thread has absolutely nothing to do with him. So I'm not gonna discuss that now.

drakulie
05-12-2009, 10:16 AM
http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/Laughing/drunk-irish-048.gif Brilliant drak!


Yeah, it's amazing that she and the freak get on people when they simply want another player to win, or give an opponent of his credit for their win, and yet they are the one's who are outright bashing Nadal, and making excuse after petty excuse. One would think the guy is Serena Williams' twin.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:16 AM
he did at least take some time to break down the reasoning behind his rants, whereas the other post just made baseless accusations
"baseless"? I disagree, all the quotes were true. Anyway as I said: off topic, let it go.

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:16 AM
No in this particular thread, Mister.

mister, wow, your making me feel all old and respected now, please refrain from such remarks. im more of a dude, or man, than a mister

rofl

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:18 AM
"baseless"? I disagree, all the quotes were true. Anyway as I said: off topic, let it go.

all the things he said was true? i mean com on he was attacked for wearing certain clothing at wimby. you said it all right there. your bias shines thru like a ray of sunshine on a cloudy day once again. let it go, its done as long as your remarks leave me out of it from here out.

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:18 AM
ATTACKING ,, err no wait, its about federer stating an opinion of himself. kinda got lost for a second myself.
Yes an opinion that he's ready to win Madrid. We're all happy he's gonna win his first tournament of the season and we have no doubt that his on court performance is gonna back up that claim 100%.

Bud
05-12-2009, 10:19 AM
Oh he is a Nadal fan in the same league as N_F & Ver...Ok maybe a level lower than them as those two are supereme

I'd prefer you didn't speak for me.

I stated I'm a tennis fan and that's the truth ;-)

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:19 AM
mister, wow, your making me feel all old and respected now, please refrain from such remarks. im more of a dude, or man, than a mister

rofl
You called me ma'am. I'm trying to match your language level.

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:20 AM
Yes an opinion that he's ready to win Madrid. We're all happy he's gonna win his first tournament of the season and we have no doubt that his on court performance is gonna back up that claim 100%.

well in my opinion i kinda resemble brad pitt, but ya know, its not shared by everyone

:)

dont stop now, im 14 posts away from hitting the 1k mark on the lighter side.

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 10:20 AM
Yes an opinion that he's ready to win Madrid. We're all happy he's gonna win his first tournament of the season and we have no doubt that his on court performance is gonna back up that claim 100%.

I'm ready to win madrid does not equal I am definitely going to win. You make it sound like he said that he is 100% sure he is going to win the tournament.

Bud
05-12-2009, 10:22 AM
Yeah sure you do... :roll:

That was the truth. Sometimes, the truth hurts (you) :oops:

vtmike
05-12-2009, 10:22 AM
I'd prefer you didn't speak for me.

I stated I'm a tennis fan and that's the truth ;-)

Sure you are :roll: Your hate filled post is not going to change facts...

Federer's style of play is monumentally more bland than Nadal's. Nadal and his opponents often produce nail-biting rallies ending with huge roars of crowd approval as the point is ended via brilliant shot by Nadal or his opponent.

The entertainment value of a Nadal match is twice that of any Federer match... past or present.

The only thing exciting about a current Federer match (assuming he's not playing Nadal) is anticipating the mental meltdown and the accompanying shock from bloggers and the press.

:lol:

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:24 AM
the person actually said nadal was quite deserving of no.1, just didn't like to see it because he doesn;t enjoy nadal's brand of tennis. Fair enough to me.
The person was saying Nadal was deserving while explaining why he was actually not, a very common trick. Anyway off topic, I won't elaborate on it here.

vtmike
05-12-2009, 10:25 AM
I'm ready to win madrid does not equal I am definitely going to win. You make it sound like he said that he is 100% sure he is going to win the tournament.

Yup she's very good at twisting things to make her point...now she will bring up a completely different quote to make her point :)

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:25 AM
well in my opinion i kinda resemble brad pitt, but ya know, its not shared by everyone

:)

dont stop now, im 14 posts away from hitting the 1k mark on the lighter side.
Ah congratulations!

Bud
05-12-2009, 10:25 AM
Sure you are :roll: Your hate filled post is not going to change facts...

No sense continually posting it... like I said... the truth is obviously uncomfortable for you to hear :oops:

icedevil0289
05-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Yup she's very good at twisting things to make her point...now she will bring up a completely different quote to make her point :)

I just find it very amusing now actually.

mandy01
05-12-2009, 10:26 AM
That was the truth. Sometimes, the truth hurts (you) :oops:
rubbish.

The entertainment value of a Nadal match is twice that of any Federer match... past or present-This especially is some of the worst crap I've heard in a looong time. :roll:

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:27 AM
You called me ma'am. I'm trying to match your language level.

i find miss or missy rude and disrespectful so i used the only other term i could come up with at the time, nothing more.

Bud
05-12-2009, 10:27 AM
Murray/Bolelli match starting :)

Bud
05-12-2009, 10:28 AM
rubbish.

The entertainment value of a Nadal match is twice that of any Federer match... past or present-This especially is some of the worst crap I've heard in a looong time. :roll:

Uh oh... Miss Mandy is stalking me again :twisted:

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:28 AM
I'm ready to win madrid does not equal I am definitely going to win. You make it sound like he said that he is 100% sure he is going to win the tournament.
"I have the game to win Madrid". That's what he said. What does it mean if not I should win Madrid? I'm afraid we're a little lost in translation here.

mandy01
05-12-2009, 10:30 AM
Uh oh... Miss Mandy is stalking me again :twisted: Lol..replying to your post is stalking you when infact you started to attack my posts first :mrgreen:
Sure... :roll:

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:30 AM
"I have the game to win Madrid". That's what he said. What does it mean if not I should win Madrid? I'm afraid we're a little lost in translation here.

i think the proper way to state would be. "I have the ability and potential to win it"

seffina
05-12-2009, 10:30 AM
well in my opinion i kinda resemble brad pitt, but ya know, its not shared by everyone

:)

dont stop now, im 14 posts away from hitting the 1k mark on the lighter side.

Which Brad Pitt? The one from Snatch? The one from Fight Club? Or the one from TCCoBB? If the previous two, hello there! Heh.

Congrats on the 1K. Honesly, I wish I could remove about 1500 posts from my post counts. Reminds me how much time I waste here. :(

Bud
05-12-2009, 10:30 AM
Lol..replying to your post is stalking you when infact you started to attack my posts first :mrgreen:
Sure... :roll:

Lol! No, that's incorrect :oops:

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:31 AM
i find miss or missy rude and disrespectful so i used the only other term i could come up with at the time, nothing more.
OK no offense but I don't like "ma'am". (why not madam by the way?) Just say nothing, it'll be fine.

Bud
05-12-2009, 10:32 AM
well in my opinion i kinda resemble brad pitt, but ya know, its not shared by everyone

:)

dont stop now, im 14 posts away from hitting the 1k mark on the lighter side.

Which Brad Pitt? The one from Snatch? The one from Fight Club? Or the one from TCCoBB? If the previous two, hello there! Heh.

Congrats on the 1K. Honesly, I wish I could remove about 1500 posts from my post counts. Reminds me how much time I waste here. :(

I'm thinking Snatch :)

mandy01
05-12-2009, 10:32 AM
Lol! No, that's incorrect :oops:
anything that you dont agree with or you dont want to accept is incorrect..:mrgreen: :oops: yeah..right :roll:

thejoe
05-12-2009, 10:32 AM
OK no offense but I don't like "ma'am". (why not madam by the way?) Just say nothing, it'll be fine.

^Or madame. ;)

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:33 AM
I'm thinking Snatch :)

actually thats probably the most true of the comparisons honestly, but i like to think one of the others, but that doesnt mean its gonna be true.

in all honesty i look almost exactly like dale earnhardt jr, as sad as that is =(

veroniquem
05-12-2009, 10:35 AM
i think the proper way to state would be. "I have the ability and potential to win it"
I think the proper way to state it is "I'm not worrying about the title right now, I'm focusing on my first opponent".

deltox
05-12-2009, 10:35 AM
OK no offense but I don't like "ma'am". (why not madam by the way?) Just say nothing, it'll be fine.

sorry in NC, ma'am is the most respectful way to address someone who isnt known to you.