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King of Aces
05-17-2009, 07:56 AM
This has happened before the same way. Nothing new.

At Hamburg Nadal faced Hewitt in a tough semifinal and then faced Roger in the final the next day to lose in the best of three sets. However Rafa went on to win the FO in a best of five

At Madrid Nadal had to face Djokovic in a tough semifinal and once again lost to Federer in the best of three.....but will go on to win the FO in the hot sun in a best of five.

NamRanger
05-17-2009, 07:58 AM
At Hamburg Nadal faced Djokovic in a tough semifinal and then faced Roger in the final the next day to lose in the best of three sets. However Rafa went on to win the FO in a best of five

At Madrid Nadal had to face Djokovic in a tough semifinal and once again lost to Federer in the best of three.....but will go on to win the FO in the hot sun in a best of five.


Good thing you got your history completely wrong.


Hamburg 07 Nadal played Hewitt in the SF. Federer won 2-6, 6-2, 6-0 in the final.


Hamburg 08 Nadal played Djokovic in the SF. Nadal won the final.



Sigh, Nadal fans always getting facts wrong.

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 07:59 AM
Good thing you got your history completely wrong.


Hamburg 07 Nadal played Hewitt in the SF. Federer won 2-6, 6-2, 6-0 in the final.


Hamburg 08 Nadal played Djokovic in the SF. Nadal won the final.



Sigh, Nadal fans always getting facts wrong.

thanks...changing now.

GasquetGOAT
05-17-2009, 08:01 AM
Good thing you got your history completely wrong.


Hamburg 07 Nadal played Hewitt in the SF. Federer won 2-6, 6-2, 6-0 in the final.


Hamburg 08 Nadal played Djokovic in the SF. Nadal won the final.



Sigh, Nadal fans always getting facts wrong.

LOL the OP is an idiot.

oberyn
05-17-2009, 08:03 AM
thanks...changing now.

In 2007, Nadal faced Federer in the finals of the last clay court masters event before the French Open. Nadal played a 3-setter in the semifinals. Nadal came in on a long match winning streak on clay. Federer beat Nadal in the final.

Today, Nadal faced Federer in the finals of the last clay court masters event before the French Open. Nadal played a 3-setter in the semifinals. Nadal came in on a long match winning streak on clay. Federer beat Nadal in the final.

As someone else already pointed out, Nadal didn't play Djokovic in 2007 in the Hamburg semis.

While I don't think it's "bad news" for Nadal to have lost this match, I DEFINITELY don't see how it's somehow bad news for Federer to play as well as he did, on clay, against Nadal, heading into the French Open. LOL.

Turning Pro
05-17-2009, 08:08 AM
Good thing you got your history completely wrong.


Hamburg 07 Nadal played Hewitt in the SF. Federer won 2-6, 6-2, 6-0 in the final.


Hamburg 08 Nadal played Djokovic in the SF. Nadal won the final.



Sigh, Nadal fans always getting facts wrong.


Fed is going to be destroyed at the French by Nadal, IF Djokovic dosen't get to him first,lol.

Blinkism
05-17-2009, 08:24 AM
Nadal, up to this point, has had the EXACT same season (except for the notable exception of winning the Australian Open) as he's had in 2007 - Indian Wells Champ, Monte Carlo+Barcelona+Rome, 3rd Clay Master's Finalist (Hamburg, in the case of 2007).

And he still went on to win the FO.

Bad news, though, is that he didn't win Wimbledon that year.

IvanAndreevich
05-17-2009, 08:29 AM
All this prediction crap is just that - crap.

Jchurch
05-17-2009, 08:29 AM
I'd give Federer a 20 percent chance of winning the FO. But, if he is able to come up with a game plan that is suitable to the surface and dictate play as he did today, then he will when the FO. I wonder if Nadal will be rested up enough for the FO, seeing as he is playing an exhibition this week.

8PAQ
05-17-2009, 08:33 AM
This has happened before the same way. Nothing new.

At Hamburg Nadal faced Hewitt in a tough semifinal and then faced Roger in the final the next day to lose in the best of three sets. However Rafa went on to win the FO in a best of five

At Madrid Nadal had to face Djokovic in a tough semifinal and once again lost to Federer in the best of three.....but will go on to win the FO in the hot sun in a best of five.

So you are saying Fed will get to his 4th FO final. WOW! That's awesome! That really made my day. 4 FO finals. So much better than just 1 FO semi for Sampras. So much better!

Gorecki
05-17-2009, 11:12 AM
Good thing you got your history completely wrong.


Hamburg 07 Nadal played Hewitt in the SF. Federer won 2-6, 6-2, 6-0 in the final.


Hamburg 08 Nadal played Djokovic in the SF. Nadal won the final.



Sigh, Nadal fans always getting facts wrong.

NAM.. im disapointed at you...:) is that a way to treat a ******* after such painfull moment?:twisted:

NamRanger
05-17-2009, 11:14 AM
NAM.. im disapointed at you...:) is that a way to treat a ******* after such painfull moment?:twisted:



There is no such thing as mercy on these boards Gorecki, you of all people should know that!!!! :twisted:

mzzmuaa
05-17-2009, 11:15 AM
federer won in 3 sets last time. and ended up going to 4 at the FO.
this time he owned Nadal in 2 sets, in the face of a hostile spanish crowd. let's see what happens

ChuDat
05-17-2009, 11:15 AM
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Gorecki
05-17-2009, 11:22 AM
There is no such thing as mercy on these boards Gorecki, you of all people should know that!!!! :twisted:

Nam... you old geezer.... i never waste an oportunity to wash my hands like Nero...


let it burn!:twisted:

vtmike
05-17-2009, 11:27 AM
This has happened before the same way. Nothing new.

At Hamburg Nadal faced Hewitt in a tough semifinal and then faced Roger in the final the next day to lose in the best of three sets. However Rafa went on to win the FO in a best of five

At Madrid Nadal had to face Djokovic in a tough semifinal and once again lost to Federer in the best of three.....but will go on to win the FO in the hot sun in a best of five.

Ok so based on your post if history is indeed repeating itself, then Fed will win Wimbledon & USO this year just like he did that year? I can live with that but can you? ;)

federerdomination
05-17-2009, 11:29 AM
Ok so based on your post if history is indeed repeating itself, then Fed will win Wimbledon & USO this year just like he did that year? I can live with that but can you? ;)

lol I'll take the Wimbledon + USO wins

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 11:42 AM
federer won in 3 sets last time. and ended up going to 4 at the FO.
this time he owned Nadal in 2 sets, in the face of a hostile spanish crowd. let's see what happens

Yeah but he beat Nadal 6-0 at Hamburg and then he folded at the FO.

Don't get me wrong.....Federer did a great job and was the better player today.

But I am just saying that there is a HUGE difference between the best of three and a best of five.

In fact Rogers record in five setters is not very good at all while Nadals is spectacular.

aphex
05-17-2009, 12:33 PM
Good thing you got your history completely wrong.


Hamburg 07 Nadal played Hewitt in the SF. Federer won 2-6, 6-2, 6-0 in the final.


Hamburg 08 Nadal played Djokovic in the SF. Nadal won the final.



Sigh, Nadal fans always getting facts wrong.

lol

what a ret.***

Cyan
05-17-2009, 01:45 PM
This has happened before the same way. Nothing new.

At Hamburg Nadal faced Hewitt in a tough semifinal and then faced Roger in the final the next day to lose in the best of three sets. However Rafa went on to win the FO in a best of five

At Madrid Nadal had to face Djokovic in a tough semifinal and once again lost to Federer in the best of three.....but will go on to win the FO in the hot sun in a best of five.

I remember after Hamburg 2007 fed said he had cracked the nadal code on clay and now knew how to beat him... oops.

vtmike
05-17-2009, 01:46 PM
I remember after Hamburg 2007 fed said he had cracked the nadal code on clay and now knew hot to beat him... oops.

Any reference to your claim?

Cyan
05-17-2009, 01:48 PM
Nadal, up to this point, has had the EXACT same season (except for the notable exception of winning the Australian Open) as he's had in 2007 - Indian Wells Champ, Monte Carlo+Barcelona+Rome, 3rd Clay Master's Finalist (Hamburg, in the case of 2007).

And he still went on to win the FO.

Bad news, though, is that he didn't win Wimbledon that year.

He didnt win the AO that year as well. Fed did.

Cyan
05-17-2009, 01:49 PM
Any reference to your claim?

Do a google search.

vtmike
05-17-2009, 01:51 PM
He didnt win the AO that year as well. Fed did.

delete post

vtmike
05-17-2009, 01:53 PM
Do a google search.

Nothing came other than journalists asking if he can crack the Nadal code on clay...Provide a reference to your claim...Not calling you a liar, but I would be surprised if Fed said something like that...

mzzmuaa
05-17-2009, 02:02 PM
Yeah but he beat Nadal 6-0 at Hamburg and then he folded at the FO.

Don't get me wrong.....Federer did a great job and was the better player today.

But I am just saying that there is a HUGE difference between the best of three and a best of five.

In fact Rogers record in five setters is not very good at all while Nadals is spectacular.

I can't remember anyone besides Safin and Nadal in recent years who has beaten Federer in a five set match. In fact, Nadal is the only one who can consistently push him to five sets.
His record in best of fives is ridiculously good (losing only to Nadal and Djokovic in the past few years). As with his H2H against Nadal(reaching clay finals), his five set record suffers from his excellence(ability to close out in 3/4 and only being pushed to five against really top form opponents).
Federer would gain more of an advantage than Nadal in a switch from a best of three to a best of five, because Nadal is more prone to physically breaking down(wimb 07) and becoming tired. I can't remember when I last saw Federer gasping for air.

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 02:07 PM
I can't remember anyone besides Safin and Nadal in recent years who has beaten Federer in a five set match. In fact, Nadal is the only one who can consistently push him to five sets.
His record in best of fives is ridiculously good (losing only to Nadal and Djokovic in the past few years). As with his H2H against Nadal(reaching clay finals), his five set record suffers from his excellence(ability to close out in 3/4 and only being pushed to five against really top form opponents).
Federer would gain more of an advantage than Nadal in a switch from a best of three to a best of five, because Nadal is more prone to physically breaking down(wimb 07) and becoming tired. I can't remember when I last saw Federer gasping for air.

When Federer gets pushed to five sets his record is less than stellar.

mzzmuaa
05-17-2009, 02:16 PM
That's exactly what I said, but I'm quite certain that you are exaggerating how bad his record is.
Why don't you show it or link it?

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 02:22 PM
That's exactly what I said, but I'm quite certain that you are exaggerating how bad his record is.
Why don't you show it or link it?

Just lazy.

anyway, bottom line is that I think this is a wake up call to Nadal.

I am glad that Rafa lost....he is going to get to work....no one fights harder or works harder. Federer is going to have hos hands full at the FO.

The bull has now seen red!

We have not seen the pirate shorts or the sleevelss shirts...nadal has become complacent. The old fighting Rafa will now return.

We are going to hear something that we have not heard for a long time..................:

VAMOS!!!!!

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/member.php?u=48860

vtmike
05-17-2009, 02:25 PM
^^^ Err I think I heard Vamos a lot today...

matchmaker
05-17-2009, 02:44 PM
Nothing came other than journalists asking if he can crack the Nadal code on clay...Provide a reference to your claim...Not calling you a liar, but I would be surprised if Fed said something like that...

Yes he said that, in different interviews. He was euphoric and convinced he could win against Nadal on clay. We all know what happened a bit later in 2007 and 2008 was no different.

T1000
05-17-2009, 02:48 PM
All this prediction crap is just that - crap.

Unless its Gorecki's 13 curse prediction:twisted:

icedevil0289
05-17-2009, 02:50 PM
Unless its Gorecki's 13 curse prediction:twisted:

I thought it was rickson who kept going on about the curse of 13. He even had it in his sig.

mzzmuaa
05-17-2009, 03:41 PM
Yes he said that, in different interviews. He was euphoric and convinced he could win against Nadal on clay. We all know what happened a bit later in 2007 and 2008 was no different.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that might just be because he actually won against Nadal on clay.

vtmike
05-17-2009, 03:42 PM
Yes he said that, in different interviews. He was euphoric and convinced he could win against Nadal on clay. We all know what happened a bit later in 2007 and 2008 was no different.

Ok then provide a reference...That's all I'm asking for...

LanceStern
05-17-2009, 03:57 PM
When Federer gets pushed to five sets his record is less than stellar.

You aren't proving yourself. Name the times Fed has been beaten when he's been pushed to 5 sets.

AO2009 - Nadal
AO2009 vs. Berdych - Federer won
Wimbledon2008 - Nadal
USOpen 2008 vs. Andreev - Federer won
Wimbledon2007 vs. Nadal - Federer won
AO2007 vs. Tipsarevic - Federer won
Rome2006 vs. Nadal - Nadal won

He's rarely pushed to 5 sets, and the only won that has beaten him in the 5th has been Nadal

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 03:58 PM
You aren't proving yourself. Name the times Fed has been beaten when he's been pushed to 5 sets.

AO2009 - Nadal
AO2009 vs. Berdych - Federer won
Wimbledon2008 - Nadal
USOpen 2008 vs. Andreev - Federer won
Wimbledon2007 vs. Nadal - Federer won
AO2007 vs. Tipsarevic - Federer won
Rome2006 vs. Nadal - Nadal won

He's rarely pushed to 5 sets, and the only won that has beaten him in the 5th has been Nadal

Yes of course Fed has beaten people when he has been stretched to five sets.

But his record when he is pushed to five sets is only average.

West Coast Ace
05-17-2009, 04:14 PM
This has happened before the same way. Nothing new.

At Hamburg Nadal faced Hewitt in a tough semifinal and then faced Roger in the final the next day to lose in the best of three sets. However Rafa went on to win the FO in a best of five

At Madrid Nadal had to face Djokovic in a tough semifinal and once again lost to Federer in the best of three.....but will go on to win the FO in the hot sun in a best of five.Maybe, maybe not. If you have to curl up in a ball and repeat that over and over to get to sleep tonight, that's cool. Mix in some "Madrid is at altitude!" Whatever.

Today's match wasn't really that tough - Fed didn't let it degenerate into a baseline slugfest as he has - very stupidly and unsuccessfully - in the past. So Rafa's effort Saturday wasn't an issue. In addition Rafa had the early match - Fed played at night against JMDP.

I still think if Fed serves well and plays aggressively as he did today he has a 50-50 or better shot against Rafa. There are some things a counterpuncher just can't defend against - that's the downside of the strategy - if an aggressive player is on the counterpuncher gets worn down and demoralized.

We'll know in 3 weeks...

bolo
05-17-2009, 04:16 PM
This has happened before the same way. Nothing new.

At Hamburg Nadal faced Hewitt in a tough semifinal and then faced Roger in the final the next day to lose in the best of three sets. However Rafa went on to win the FO in a best of five

At Madrid Nadal had to face Djokovic in a tough semifinal and once again lost to Federer in the best of three.....but will go on to win the FO in the hot sun in a best of five.


the spirit of your post is correct. I will be predicting nadal will win the RG probably just as easily as last year. Vamos nadal!

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 04:20 PM
the spirit of your post is correct. I will be predicting nadal will win the RG probably just as easily as last year. Vamos nadal!

This entire discussion already happened two years ago.....weird I feel like I am watching an episode of lost:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=134064&page=40

bolo
05-17-2009, 04:24 PM
This entire discussion already happened two years ago.....weird I feel like I am watching an episode of lost:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=134064&page=40

It will be a good learning experience for the folks who started following tennis in the last 2 years. :)

sureshs
05-17-2009, 04:48 PM
Federer will come into the FO thinking he has improved his game because of this win. Nadal has already forgotten the loss and will enter the FO with a clean slate. Federer will find that he will meet a different Nadal than today, if he (Fed) even makes it to the final. No altitude, no funny bounces, and an energetic Nadal.

RoddickAce
05-17-2009, 04:52 PM
Federer will come into the FO thinking he has improved his game because of this win. Nadal has already forgotten the loss and will enter the FO with a clean slate. Federer will find that he will meet a different Nadal than today, if he (Fed) even makes it to the final. No altitude, no funny bounces, and an energetic Nadal.

hmm I'm sure Fed will know that conditions at the FO will be a bit different than the ones in Madrid. And to be honest, it wouldn't have been better for Fed had he lost to Nadal or Delpo. That would shatter his confidence even more if he lost after he said he worked on his game. A win is the best thing that coulda happened for him going into the FO.

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 05:34 PM
Federer will come into the FO thinking he has improved his game because of this win. Nadal has already forgotten the loss and will enter the FO with a clean slate. Federer will find that he will meet a different Nadal than today, if he (Fed) even makes it to the final. No altitude, no funny bounces, and an energetic Nadal.

RAFAEL NADAL:

"To me, this tournament has nothing to do with Paris. This tournament is practically another surface compared to Paris," said Nadal, who was troubled with the odd bounces and faster pace brought on by higher altitude. "The conditions favored him more than me."



ROGER FEDERER:

"I don't think he's going to take any damage away from this," Federer said. "I'm sure he's going to be rock solid in Paris again."

vtmike
05-17-2009, 05:37 PM
RAFAEL NADAL:

"To me, this tournament has nothing to do with Paris. This tournament is practically another surface compared to Paris," said Nadal, who was troubled with the odd bounces and faster pace brought on by higher altitude. "The conditions favored him more than me."

Now heres how a Fed fan version of Veroniquem would react...

"That arrogant Nadal not giving any credit to Federer yet again! All he is doing is blaming his loss on the surface & altitude! How about giving credit where credit is due for a change! He is just being delusional if he thinks this will not hurt him in RG."

Again that is NOT my opinion :D

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 05:40 PM
Now heres how a Fed fan version of Veroniquem would react...

"That arrogant Nadal not giving any credit to Federer yet again! All he is doing is blaming his loss on the surface & altitude! How about giving credit where credit is due for a change!"

Again that is NOT my opinion :D

Actually Nadal does make a very valid point....not all clay is created equal.

I have played both in Spain and in France and the surfaces are completely different.

The clay in Madrid is sort of a sandy clay....similar to the red clay here in the United States.

But in France the clay is actually made from crushed brick and dirt. Its far slower.

.

icedevil0289
05-17-2009, 05:41 PM
Now heres how a Fed fan version of Veroniquem would react...

"That arrogant Nadal not giving any credit to Federer yet again! All he is doing is blaming his loss on the surface & altitude! How about giving credit where credit is due for a change! He is just being delusional if he thinks this will not hurt him in RG."

Again that is NOT my opinion :D


haha, don't you think you're being too harsh on her? Btw, has she posted at all today?

icedevil0289
05-17-2009, 05:42 PM
Actually Nadal does make a very valid point....not all clay is created equal.

I have played both in Spain and in France and the surfaces are completely different.

The clay in Madrid is sort of a sandy clay....similar to the red clay here in the United States.

But in France the clay is actually made from crushed brick and dirt. Its far slower.

.

you actually play tennis? Odd, based on your posts, I never really got that impression

vtmike
05-17-2009, 05:42 PM
Actually Nadal does make a very valid point....not all clay is created equal.

I have played both in Spain and in France and the surfaces are completely different.

The clay in Madrid is sort of a sandy clay....similar to the red clay here in the United States.

But in France the clay is actually made from crushed brick and dirt. Its far slower.

.

Don't argue with me...I said that's not my opinion!

vtmike
05-17-2009, 05:43 PM
haha, don't you think you're being too harsh on her? Btw, has she posted at all today?

No she hasn't! :shock: :lol:

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 05:44 PM
you actually play tennis? Odd, based on your posts, I never really got that impression

New jersey smells really bad....thats why its known as the armpit of NY.....;)

vtmike
05-17-2009, 05:46 PM
New jersey smells really bad....thats why its known as the armpit of NY.....;)

So your armpit smells like New Jersey?

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 05:47 PM
So your armpit smells like New Jersey?

No it smells like Houston. ;).

Any state that has an airport named after Bush is pretty sad. ;)

vtmike
05-17-2009, 05:51 PM
No it smells like Houston. ;).

Any state that has an airport named after Bush is pretty sad. ;)

Is that what you do all day? smell your armpit and compare it to the smell of cities? That is pretty sad if you ask me...that explains your lack ability to use your brain...

icedevil0289
05-17-2009, 05:53 PM
Is that what you do all day? smell your armpit and compare it to the smell of cities? That is pretty sad if you ask me...that explains your lack ability to use your brain...

Can't use what you don't have:wink:

King of Aces
05-17-2009, 05:54 PM
Tennis: McEnroe says Madrid altitude could help US shock Spain

NEW YORK, Sept 4, 2008 (AFP)

Playing in Madrid's high altitude could help give reigning champion United States an edge against disgruntled Spain when the rivals meet in a Davis Cup semi-final tie, US captain Patrick McEnroe said.

McEnroe announced Thursday at the US Open that eighth-ranked Andy Roddick, ninth-rated James Blake and the doubles duo of Mike and Bob Bryan will play for the 11th time in a row as the American lineup in the September 19-21 clash.

"It's good for us. It helps us a little bit," McEnroe said. "They are still a big favorite. It's still 25,000 people in a bull ring cheering against us. The altitude could be an edge for us."


*****Now we know why Roddick did so well

http://tennis.bnpparibas.com/en/news/?AFP=080904200728.wrdoxgoc