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raiden031
05-17-2009, 01:12 PM
We've all had our fun picking on the Nadal fans, now I'm hoping for a serious, sarcasm-free discussion.

What has the results in Madrid shown us with RG right around the corner?

NamRanger
05-17-2009, 01:14 PM
That Federer is mentally prepared and has a gameplan that works. Nadal is still the favorite going into RG, as he is the world#1 and has never been beaten there, but this year looks to be a dogfight.



Not only that, but Djokovic is also good enough to beat either guy, and is also another contender for the title.

Cyan
05-17-2009, 01:15 PM
That Rafa struggles to return Fed's serve in the altitude.

clayman2000
05-17-2009, 01:16 PM
Madrid has shown us that Nadal was right in calling it out. This tournament should be the first clay masters. Then Rome, then MC, then RG. There is no way that RG will play anywhere near as fast as Madrid. I f you dont beleive me than watch highlights of the Fed and Roddick match. I thought it was a grass court with all the service winners

Ray Mercer
05-17-2009, 01:24 PM
It shows us that in order for Nadal to lose the following things will likely have to happen.

1. Djokovic end up in Nadal's half of the draw. If he end up in Fed's half the winner of that match will be pretty beat down for the final.

2. Djokovic puts up a decent effort in the semi final and takes Rafa to four sets

3. Federer serves excellent, above 70%

4. Federer cuts down on the number of unforced errors and his forehand is on.

It seems to me that when Nadal has time to set his feet and rip the forehand to Roger's backhand he wins the point 80% of the time. When Roger plays an aggresive shot to Nadal's backhand he usually gets a short ball which he can crush with the forehand.

All in all it will take a number of things falling into place for Roger to win it. It's not impossible though.

samster
05-17-2009, 01:29 PM
Agree with Ray Mercer, when Fed is serving well, he is hard to stop. Fed didn't serve well at the AO 2009 and he paid for it.

stevepidge
05-17-2009, 01:46 PM
It shows us that in order for Nadal to lose the following things will likely have to happen.

1. Djokovic end up in Nadal's half of the draw. If he end up in Fed's half the winner of that match will be pretty beat down for the final.

2. Djokovic puts up a decent effort in the semi final and takes Rafa to four sets

3. Federer serves excellent, above 70%

4. Federer cuts down on the number of unforced errors and his forehand is on.

It seems to me that when Nadal has time to set his feet and rip the forehand to Roger's backhand he wins the point 80% of the time. When Roger plays an aggresive shot to Nadal's backhand he usually gets a short ball which he can crush with the forehand.

All in all it will take a number of things falling into place for Roger to win it. It's not impossible though.


WRONG

Nadal had a walkover BEFORE Djokovic.

Federer was NOT serving 70% he was at 63% which is NORMAL

the big telling stat was FED winning 68% of his SECOND service points through great placement and playing aggressively.

The points were not long enough for nadal to be winded Federer merely dictated the play today and perfected the weakness that Djokovic exposed.

Ray Mercer
05-17-2009, 01:58 PM
WRONG

Nadal had a walkover BEFORE Djokovic.

Federer was NOT serving 70% he was at 63% which is NORMAL

the big telling stat was FED winning 68% of his SECOND service points through great placement and playing aggressively.

The points were not long enough for nadal to be winded Federer merely dictated the play today and perfected the weakness that Djokovic exposed.


How am I wrong? Federer will need to serve excellent to win. You know for a fact at Roland Garros Nadal will stand 10 feet behind the baseline to get the serve back in play. The surface will also likely not allow Federer's serve to be as effective. I agree that he will also need to place the ball well. When Nadal has time to set up and rip the forehand to Roger's backhand he wins most of the points. The tactic that worked well for Roger today was the forehand down the line. Taking the forehand or the backhand down the line to Nadal's backhand is a great strategy.

Ray Mercer
05-17-2009, 02:07 PM
WRONG

Nadal had a walkover BEFORE Djokovic.

Federer was NOT serving 70% he was at 63% which is NORMAL

the big telling stat was FED winning 68% of his SECOND service points through great placement and playing aggressively.

The points were not long enough for nadal to be winded Federer merely dictated the play today and perfected the weakness that Djokovic exposed.


How am I wrong? Federer will need to serve excellent to win. You know for a fact at Roland Garros Nadal will stand 10 feet behind the baseline to get the serve back in play. The surface will also likely not allow Federer's serve to be as effective. I agree that he will also need to place the ball well. When Nadal has time to set up and rip the forehand to Roger's backhand he wins most of the points. The tactic that worked well for Roger today was the forehand down the line. Taking the forehand or the backhand down the line to Nadal's backhand is a great strategy.

shadows
05-17-2009, 02:08 PM
That Fed can still do it
That Nole can push Rafa
That Rafa, even when playing below his best can still dig out big wins on a surface he's not keen on
That DelPo can be a danger on clay as well as HC
That despite Murray still developing on clay he's behind the top guys
That Lubo's still got it
That Wawrinka really does have a lovely backhand
That the Manolo Santana stadium looks awesome
That Blake can manage to string together a couple of clay wins outside of minor tournaments
That Haas still has a lovely looking game
That Fed hits a very nice dropshot
That Simon is still a bit out of form
That despite that Tsonga is still the worst french player on clay
That Verdasco really is getting to be quite a consistent performer
That serve and volley needs a great serve if it's to have any effect vs Rafa
That Davydenko's injury problems are a little worrying
That Cilic is definitely weak on clay
That aside from Monaco the clay court specialists are failing to produce

CocaCola
05-17-2009, 02:39 PM
OMG Fed fans have raised again...I'm out untill RG end's.

janipyt05
05-17-2009, 02:55 PM
^^ they where quiet for a while welcome back FED fans :-) aww bless something for them to talk about

Gorecki
05-17-2009, 03:09 PM
That Fed can still do it
That Nole can push Rafa
That Rafa, even when playing below his best can still dig out big wins on a surface he's not keen on
That DelPo can be a danger on clay as well as HC
That despite Murray still developing on clay he's behind the top guys
That Lubo's still got it
That Wawrinka really does have a lovely backhand
That the Manolo Santana stadium looks awesome
That Blake can manage to string together a couple of clay wins outside of minor tournaments
That Haas still has a lovely looking game
That Fed hits a very nice dropshot
That Simon is still a bit out of form
That despite that Tsonga is still the worst french player on clay
That Verdasco really is getting to be quite a consistent performer
That serve and volley needs a great serve if it's to have any effect vs Rafa
That Davydenko's injury problems are a little worrying
That Cilic is definitely weak on clay
That aside from Monaco the clay court specialists are failing to produce

That this is how a smart person with tennis knowledges posts

ps: this was the only post worth reading so far in the Gazzilion threads that were opened after Madrid Final...