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Tennis_Maestro
05-17-2009, 01:44 PM
We are in @ for the 5th in the series, this being the 2009 French Open event.... first in the Grandslam editions.

Miami Masters prediction Champion - Shadows
Miami Masters prediction Runner up - Tennis_Maestro
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=252020 - Miami Masters

Monte Carlo Masters prediction Champion - Shadows
Monte Carlo Masters prediction Runner up - Tennis_Maestro
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=254587 - Monte Carlo Masters

Rome Masters prediction Champion's - Chelsea_Kiwi, VivalaVida, and Shadows
Rome Masters prediction Runner up - Tennis_Maestro
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=257531 - Rome Masters

Madrid Masters prediction Champion - Safinator_1
Madrid Masters prediction Runner up - Tennis_Maestro
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=259191 - Madrid Masters

FRENCH OPEN PREDICTION CHAMPION - ?????????
FRENCH OPEN PREDICTION RUNNER UP - ?????????

Points Scoring Rules: (MUST READ) - Slight variaton from Masters Series
If you predict the correct winner but the wrong score in sets, you'll get two points. However, if you also nail the score line in sets, (ie, Nadal beats Murray 2 set to love) you’ll get five points. Each predictor can pick the winner and runner up of the tournament (approximately a day before the FIRST ROUND MATCH)

Come the conclusion of the tournament – ten points will be given to each predictor that predicts BOTH the correct winner and runner up and five points for the one or the other.

HERE'S THE SLIGHT ADDITION IN POINTS SCORING- Predictor's are also now able to take a stab @ the range in how many games shall be played in each match..

For example...

Nadal v Verdasco - Nadal wins 6-4, 5-7, 7-6, 6-2

This match would've consisted of 45 games ... if someone has a prediction for the range of games for this match being 45-50 games.. they'll score an additional 5 points.

These ranges can be from 12-17 or 66-71 even .. as long as they are within 5s.

If you grasp a sudden urge to change one or more predictions that you may already have posted, please make a new post, so I am aware of the time it was posted and can validate that the prediction was made before the respective match / matches. (Editing posts makes matters complicated)

Seffina is your points adjudicator!

Overall Masters Series Prediction League Grand Leaderboard Standings:

1. Shadows - 35 points
2. Tennis_Maestro - 32 points
3. Seffina - 16 points
4. Viva_LavidA - 16 points
5. Chelsea_kiwi - 12 points
6.TheNatural - 11 points
7. Safinator_1 - 10 points
8. GJ011 - 8 1/2 points
9. Icedevil0289 - 6 points
10. Egn - 6 points
10. TheDuh - 6 points
10. JoshDragon - 6 Points
11. JayChu - 5 1/2
12. SliceKick - 5 points
12. L_Gonzalez 5 points
12. Oscar_2424 - 5 points
13. Aphex - 4 points
14. Shell, 3 Points
14. Mizuno - 3 Points

Shall work out the rest later....

^^From performances of the last 4 Masters Series events

Grand Slam Event Points System:
First place - 20 Points
Second place - 18 Points
Third place - 16 Points
Fourth place - 15 Points
Fifth place - 14 points
Sixth place - 13 points
Seventh place - 12 points
Eigth place - 11 points
Ninth place - 10 points
Tenth place - 9 points
Eleventh place - 8 points
Twelth place - 7 points
Thirteenth place - 6 points
Fourteenth place - 5 points
Fifthteenth place - 4 points
Sixteenth place - 3 points
Seventeenth place - 2 points
Eighteenth place - 1 point
Nineteenth place or lower - 1/2 for trying

Please post here to Check in:
1) Tennis_Maestro
2) JoshDragon
3) Shadows
4) CocaCola
5) Icedevil0289
6) tudwell
7) FedererDomination
8 ) Egn
9) RoddickAce
10) Slickick95
11) VivalaVida
12) Jaychu
13) jamesblakefan#1
14) Chelsea_Kiwi
15) gj011
16) MizunoMX20
17) All-rounder
18 ) papucla10
19) batz
20) FlamEnemY
21) theduh
22) aphex
23) fedtastic

Purostaff
05-17-2009, 02:00 PM
cliffs?.....

JoshDragon
05-17-2009, 02:07 PM
Sign me up.

shadows
05-17-2009, 02:10 PM
definitely in

CocaCola
05-17-2009, 02:32 PM
In and can't wait...

icedevil0289
05-17-2009, 02:32 PM
in and ready to rock and roll

tudwell
05-17-2009, 02:37 PM
I'll give it a shot.

federerdomination
05-17-2009, 02:41 PM
I'll try it.

egn
05-17-2009, 02:53 PM
I am in hopefully i won't get busy like last time.

Tennis_Maestro
05-17-2009, 02:58 PM
Welcome FedererDomination! :D

RoddickAce
05-17-2009, 02:59 PM
I'm in! 10 char

Tennis_Maestro
05-17-2009, 03:04 PM
Welcome RoddickAce! :D

shadows
05-17-2009, 03:05 PM
ooh looks like we'll get another big turnout ^_^

I've just realised I'm going to miss the second of week of wimbledon being away in france....kind of gutted xD

slicekick95
05-17-2009, 03:06 PM
Im in. Isnt the games played thing a bit unneccessary, i mean we're already picking the amount of sets.

Tennis_Maestro
05-17-2009, 03:09 PM
Im in. Isnt the games played thing a bit unneccessary, i mean we're already picking the amount of sets.

I'm trying to give this one a bit of spice considering its a Grandslam bro.

What do most people think about it?

Tennis_Maestro
05-17-2009, 03:10 PM
ooh looks like we'll get another big turnout ^_^

I've just realised I'm going to miss the second of week of wimbledon being away in france....kind of gutted xD

You can email me or Seffina your predictions bro, its no sweat.

shadows
05-17-2009, 03:12 PM
I like it, I think it adds a bit extra for the GSs which is good, I also think that with a range of games being available it's not an unreasonably difficult thing to be predicting.

You can email me or Seffina your predictions bro, its no sweat.

Festival, I might be out cold on a beach somewhere =p

VivalaVida
05-17-2009, 03:57 PM
I'm in. Should be epic. :)

JayChu
05-17-2009, 04:21 PM
WOOT....Roland Garros!
count me in as well :D

jamesblakefan#1
05-17-2009, 04:51 PM
In it to win it. Good luck to whoever's scoring. Any thought towards picking womens winner (just the finals), just for fun to see who's right, since its so wide open?

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-17-2009, 08:12 PM
In. This should be interesting, lets try hope for a big turnout hopefully 30+.

gj011
05-17-2009, 08:52 PM
I am signing in, but can we do without shenanigans about copying predictions, like for Madrid.

Also all predictions have to be posted here, before the start of the match. No emails, messengers and other private channels.
If this is not the rule I am not playing. Simply the game loses the point that way, and is not fair to everyone.

It would be nice to increase values for later predictions (R16/QF/SF/F/W) or game will be practically decided after first couple of rounds, since most of the matches would already be played.

And no need to add number of games ranges. Just complicates things and adds no entertainment value.

gj011
05-17-2009, 08:57 PM
ooh looks like we'll get another big turnout ^_^

I've just realised I'm going to miss the second of week of wimbledon being away in france....kind of gutted xD

You should be in France during second week of RG :)

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-17-2009, 08:59 PM
I am signing in, but can we do without shenanigans about copying predictions, like for Madrid.

Also all predictions have to be posted here, before the start of the match. No emails, messengers and other private channels.
If this is not the rule I am not playing. Simply the game loses the point that way, and is not fair to everyone.

Also it would be nice to increase values for later predictions (R16/QF/SF/F/W) or game will be practically decided after first couple of rounds, since most of the matches would already be played.

Also scoring should be somehow changed since now we have best of five matches.

And no need to add number of games ranges. Just complicates things and no entertainment value added. I agree with the bolded parts. I do think however that if the prediction copying happens again you should just make your picks at the latest time possible and/or if prediction copying continues a point penalty should be enforced.

gj011
05-17-2009, 09:00 PM
In it to win it. Good luck to whoever's scoring. Any thought towards picking womens winner (just the finals), just for fun to see who's right, since its so wide open?

Yes we could include women somehow. And not just for the final.

gj011
05-17-2009, 09:04 PM
I agree with the bolded parts. I do think however that if the prediction copying happens again you should just make your picks at the latest time possible and/or if prediction copying continues a point penalty should be enforced.

I changed my mind about scoring change. That is why I deleted it. 5 points for correct set score and 2 for winner is actually more suited for the best of five. We should maybe change scoring for the next masters, since difference between 5 and 2 points is too big for best of 3 where there are only two different results possible for the same winner.

But I am open to change in scoring.

jamesblakefan#1
05-17-2009, 09:22 PM
I also agree with more points for later rounds. And maybe just pick the women's matches with seeds involved???

MizunoMX20
05-18-2009, 02:29 AM
Great job again TM!

I like the idea of awarding points for the right amount of games, but I feel it shouldn't be as much points rewarded as when you get both winner and scoreline correct. Maybe an additional two points instead of five would be appropriorate? Otherwise I feel it would become too much of a gambling game.

So:

- 5 points for both winner and scoreline correct
- 2 points for winner correct

- + 2 points for correct amount of games


Then for the increase value of predictions later in the tournament:

R1: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R2: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R3: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R4: 10 or 4 + 4 or 0
QF: 10 or 4 + 4 or 0
SF: 15 or 6 + 6 or 0
F: 20 or 8 + 8 or 0


I think it's very important to do this increased value, because we have to take into account that this is a Slam, where there will be 64 (!!!) matches played in the First round, 32 in Second and 16 in Third, which would mean the Prediction League coulld be well over after the Third Round, and that's definately not something we would want.

shadows
05-18-2009, 05:54 AM
You should be in France during second week of RG :)

Haha, I seem to have my timings out huh, I'm leaving England for the second week of wimby for France where the FO happens a month earlier ><

slicekick95
05-18-2009, 12:37 PM
I agree with gj and Chelsie, the later rounds should have more points to even things out. Also, to pick the amount of games for every single match is just too much work. I dont know, just my opinion. Maybe we could do that for the sf's and the finals.

All-rounder
05-18-2009, 12:42 PM
OK I'm IN lets give it a try

papucla10
05-18-2009, 12:45 PM
I want IN. New to this.

batz
05-18-2009, 12:47 PM
I'm in for this one please.

FlamEnemY
05-18-2009, 12:49 PM
In.

I hope for a Djokovic-Federer semi...

theduh
05-19-2009, 12:07 AM
Please count me in, didn't saw this thread due to the massive Fed Vs. Nadal Madrid whatever finals LOL!

theduh
05-19-2009, 12:12 AM
I'm in. Should be epic. :)

Epic for sure! This should be a good one.

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-19-2009, 11:36 PM
I think this number of game thing should be only used for Quarters, Semis and the Final.

My reason for this is it make the game more interesting towards the end rather then basically it being decided already who has won. This solves the problem of more points in later rounds. Also it makes the game less complicated at the start as it is way to complicated other wise.

shadows
05-20-2009, 02:03 AM
I think this number of game thing should be only used for Quarters, Semis and the Final.

My reason for this is it make the game more interesting towards the end rather then basically it being decided already who has won. This solves the problem of more points in later rounds. Also it makes the game less complicated at the start as it is way to complicated other wise.

now that's a great suggestion, it becomes easier to try predict the scoreline in the later matches due to player familiarity and thus an extra variable will give them a bit more spice

i like it!

aphex
05-20-2009, 02:24 AM
in..................

gj011
05-20-2009, 05:06 AM
I think this number of game thing should be only used for Quarters, Semis and the Final.

My reason for this is it make the game more interesting towards the end rather then basically it being decided already who has won. This solves the problem of more points in later rounds. Also it makes the game less complicated at the start as it is way to complicated other wise.

Yes not a bad suggestion. We could also add women's matches from say 4th round or QF to add more possible points towards the end, if we don't wont to award more points for later round matches.

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-21-2009, 12:51 AM
Yes not a bad suggestion. We could also add women's matches from say 4th round or QF to add more possible points towards the end, if we don't wont to award more points for later round matches. Yes I agree on the womens picks. Although it should start in the QF although would this mean before the womens draw starts we would have to pick a winner/runner-up.

Obviously this should only be done for the Grand Slam events mainly because there isn't many masters events that have both the mens & womens playing in the same week but also because it adds a new element to Grand Slam events for this prediction league and seperates it from the Masters events.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 02:48 AM
bump for the draw being out.

theduh
05-22-2009, 03:13 AM
I will predict the finals as early as now.

Nadal Vs. Fed.

Fed winner
Nadal runner-up

I know, I know wishful thinking it is, but it doesn't hurt.

gj011
05-22-2009, 03:21 AM
Winner Nadal
RU Djokovic

thejoe
05-22-2009, 03:35 AM
What's the weather like? That could seriously hurt Nole's chances. If it isn't too hot, I see him making the final, but if the weather goes against him, I see an early exit.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 11:18 AM
I'm tired of arguing about the draw. Let's make some picks!!! Schedule should be out tomorrow for sunday right? LAPENTTI IN 5 OVER DJOKOVIC!!!!!!!!!!! jk

CocaCola
05-22-2009, 11:39 AM
Winner Djokovic
RU Nadal

slicekick95
05-22-2009, 12:19 PM
Come on guys, start signing up, 10 people is not enough for a grandslam!
To Tennis Maestro: I think we are in agreement that picking the number of games for every match is a bit too match

Also,
Winner:Rafael Nadal
Runner Up:Novak Djokovic

maximo
05-22-2009, 12:23 PM
Murray FTW!! :P

fedtastic
05-22-2009, 12:23 PM
Winner : Federer

Runner up : Nadal

Can't help it. I'm a Fed fan. hehe.

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-22-2009, 02:23 PM
Winner: Nadal
Runner-up: Federer

I do hope it is in reverse however.

Heres the draw for all:

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/draws/ms/index.html

All-rounder
05-22-2009, 02:37 PM
Winner: Nadal
Runner up: Djokovic

I still have faith in federer finger crossed

RoddickAce
05-22-2009, 03:09 PM
W: Nadal
RU: Federer

federerdomination
05-22-2009, 03:16 PM
Winner: Federer
Runner-Up: Nadal

JayChu
05-22-2009, 05:29 PM
Winner: Nadal
Runner-Up: Djokovic

Sorry Fedheads...but i dont see Federer reaching the finals again

papucla10
05-22-2009, 07:27 PM
Winner: Federer
Runner-Up: Nadal

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 07:59 PM
Come on guys, start signing up, 10 people is not enough for a grandslam!

I don't think the original list has been update yet. There's at least 20 people who said they're in, probably closer to 30.

JoshDragon
05-22-2009, 08:05 PM
Winner: Nadal
Runner-up: Federer

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-22-2009, 10:29 PM
List of people competing in the French Open prediction league:

1) Tennis_Maestro
2) JoshDragon
3) Shadows
4) CocaCola
5) Icedevil0289
6) tudwell
7) FedererDomination
8 ) Egn
9) RoddickAce
10) Slickick95
11) VivalaVida
12) Jaychu
13) jamesblakefan#1
14) Chelsea_Kiwi
15) gj011
16) MizunoMX20
17) All-rounder
18 ) papucla10
19) batz
20) FlamEnemY
21) theduh
22) aphex
23) fedtastic

Lets try get it to 30 guys.

VivalaVida
05-22-2009, 10:42 PM
Winner: Nadal
RU: Federer

FlamEnemY
05-23-2009, 12:00 AM
Winner: Djokovic
RU: Nadal

Wishfulk thinking it is! But it's fun :)

jamesblakefan#1
05-23-2009, 12:34 AM
I was gonna be different and pick someone else, but everyone else is being different, so

Win: Nadal
RU: Federer

shadows
05-23-2009, 02:00 AM
Winner: Nadal
R/U: Fed

jamesblakefan#1
05-23-2009, 03:17 AM
Schedule's out:
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/scores/schedule/index.html

Can we get a final saying on the rules? Are we picking games or not?

MizunoMX20
05-23-2009, 07:04 AM
Winner: Nadal
Runner Up: Federer

Tennis_Maestro
05-23-2009, 08:23 AM
Been busy recently, sorry.

The games betting rule will apply from the 4th round onwards and will be worth 2 points.

Tennis_Maestro
05-23-2009, 08:28 AM
Winner: Nadal
Runner up Federer

batz
05-23-2009, 08:35 AM
winner:rafa
runner up: roger

CocaCola
05-23-2009, 08:58 AM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 4
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 4
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Karlovic in 5
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Gaudio in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Ouanna in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis in 5
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Montcourt in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 5
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 4

icedevil0289
05-23-2009, 09:00 AM
Winner: Rafael Nadal
RU: Roger Federer

Tennis_Maestro
05-23-2009, 10:33 AM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin 3/0
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon 3/1
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco 3/0
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray 3/1
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt 3/1
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Gaudio 3/1
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Ouanna 3/1
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis 3/1
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro 3/1
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer 3/0
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev 3/2
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic 3/0
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Montcourt 3/1
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick 3/0
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela 3/0
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner 3/1

MizunoMX20
05-23-2009, 10:49 AM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 4
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 4
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 4
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Grnaollers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Querrey in 5
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Gremelmayr in 4
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 5
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 3
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Polansky in 4

egn
05-23-2009, 11:05 AM
Winner Rafael Nadal
Runner Up Roger Federer

Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 4
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Karlovic in 5
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Gaudio in 4
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 4
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev in 5
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Montcourt in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Polansky in 4

jamesblakefan#1
05-23-2009, 11:12 AM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] -Odesnik in 5
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 4
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Grannolers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 4
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Gremelmayr in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Montcourt in 5
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 4
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 5

batz
05-23-2009, 11:16 AM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] -Odesnik in 4
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Grannolers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Querry in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Gremelmayr in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 4
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Brands in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 4
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 3

slicekick95
05-23-2009, 11:21 AM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 4
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Gaudio in 4
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Querrey in 5
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Polansky in 4

fedtastic
05-23-2009, 12:36 PM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin 3/0
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon 3/1
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco 3/0
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray 3/1
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt 3/2
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Gaudio 3/1
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Ouanna 3/1
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis 3/2
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro 3/0
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer 3/1
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev 3/1
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic 3/0
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Montcourt 3/1
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick 3/1
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela 3/1
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner 3/1

gj011
05-23-2009, 01:03 PM
Been busy recently, sorry.

The games betting rule will apply from the 4th round onwards and will be worth 2 points.

I would prefer if we do women matches from 4th round rather than games.

Tennis_Maestro
05-23-2009, 01:56 PM
I would prefer if we do women matches from 4th round rather than games.

Women's tennis is a joke. Whoever chokes least wins and thats real talk.

FlamEnemY
05-23-2009, 02:14 PM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 4
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Gaudio in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 3
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 3

shadows
05-23-2009, 02:46 PM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 4
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Querrey in 5
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev in 4
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 4
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 3
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Brands in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 4
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 3

RoddickAce
05-23-2009, 02:57 PM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin: 3-1
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon: 3-0
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco: 3-0
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray:3-1
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Karlovic: 3-2
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek: 3-0
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers: 3-1
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Querrey: 3-1
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Calleri: 3-1
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer: 3-0
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev: 3-0
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic: 3-0
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu: 3-0
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Brands: 3-1
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela: 3-0
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner 3-0

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-23-2009, 03:24 PM
Picks changed see post below.

gj011
05-23-2009, 03:31 PM
Women's tennis is a joke. Whoever chokes least wins and thats real talk.

So? It is still GS tennis. I think games number prediction is really tedious, not interesting at all and require no skills. Pure luck. I will not do them. I will pick one same answer for all the matches if that rule is forced on rest of us.

What I don't like here is that there were many suggestions what to do, and most people were against games predictions, still you ignored all that, appeared just before the tournament and made a rule based on your preference.

gj011
05-23-2009, 03:34 PM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] -Simon in 4
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Grannolers in 3
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Calleri in 4
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Gremelmayr in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 4
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Hsun Lu in 5
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Brands in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 4
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 4

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-23-2009, 03:58 PM
Picks changed see post below.

icedevil0289
05-23-2009, 05:45 PM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 4
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Querrey in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 3

tudwell
05-23-2009, 05:59 PM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Gaudio in 4
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Querrey in 5
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev in 4
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 4
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 5


Prediction for final:

Nadal def. Federer

seffina
05-23-2009, 06:01 PM
Winner - Rafael Nadal
Runner Up - Roger Federer

Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 4
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 3
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Querrey in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Gremelmayr in 4
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3 (I've some crazy delusions regarding his clay abilities, no? Don't worry, you'll see the proof in later rounds.)
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 5
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 5

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-23-2009, 06:07 PM
Winner - Rafael Nadal
Runner Up - Roger Federer

Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 4
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 3
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Querrey in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Gremelmayr in 4
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3 (I've some crazy delusions regarding his clay abilities, no? Don't worry, you'll see the proof in later rounds.)
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 5
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 5
Surprised you hadn't already signed in.

theduh
05-23-2009, 07:24 PM
Winner : Federer

Runner up : Nadal

Can't help it. I'm a Fed fan. hehe.

Winner: Federer
Runner-Up: Nadal

Winner: Federer
Runner-Up: Nadal

I will predict the finals as early as now.

Nadal Vs. Fed.

Fed winner
Nadal runner-up

I know, I know wishful thinking it is, but it doesn't hurt.

Let's keep the faith guys!

theduh
05-23-2009, 07:25 PM
Changed Hewitt in 5 to my above pick.

Chelsea you need to repost your entire list. That is according to the rule.

theduh
05-23-2009, 07:28 PM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 4
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 4
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 3
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Gremelmayr in 4
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 5
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 4
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 4

VivalaVida
05-23-2009, 08:59 PM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] -Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 4
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Grannolers in 3
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 4
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Gremelmayr in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 4
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Hsun Lu in 4
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) -Brands in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 4

Love Game
05-23-2009, 09:25 PM
Points Scoring Rules: (MUST READ) - Slight variaton from Masters Series
If you predict the correct winner but the wrong score in sets, you'll get two points. However, if you also nail the score line in sets, (ie, Nadal beats Murray 2 set to love) you’ll get five points. Each predictor can pick the winner and runner up of the tournament (approximately a day before the FIRST ROUND MATCH)


this is the first post i've read, so maybe this point comes up further along, but since it's already late and i might not get thru it all, i'll ask it now:

How is the above rules paragraph different from the rules for the masters?

{5 points for correctly predicting the # of sets}
{2 points for just predicting the winner correctly}

isn't that the same as the rules for the masters?

since it's best of 5
instead of best of 3
there are more chances to get the # of sets wrong, so it's harder to get the # of sets correct, so shouldnt those who guess the # of sets correctly get more points for doing so?

i'm sure i must have some assumption incorrect here, because there are a bunch of savvy tennis aficionados here, so please let me know where i've gone wrong.

BTW, sign me up. If I can't hang, i'll let you know! :razz:

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-23-2009, 09:33 PM
Chelsea you need to repost your entire list. That is according to the rule. Ok thanks mate:

Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 5
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 5
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 3

Should I delete my previous picks to avoid confusion?

Love Game
05-23-2009, 09:34 PM
I agree with gj and Chelsie, the later rounds should have more points to even things out. Also, to pick the amount of games for every single match is just too much work. I dont know, just my opinion. Maybe we could do that for the sf's and the finals.

I initially agreed with this also; however, it takes more time to figure out the winners in the earlier rounds because there are more of them; therefore, it almost evens out getting easier as the tournament goes on because there are less predictions to make AND we've had a chance to see how the players are doing, also making it a little easier. ?or not? :razz:

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-23-2009, 09:37 PM
this is the first post i've read, so maybe this point comes up further along, but since it's already late and i might not get thru it all, i'll ask it now:

How is the above rules paragraph different from the rules for the masters?

{5 points for correctly predicting the # of sets}
{2 points for just predicting the winner correctly}

isn't that the same as the rules for the masters?

since it's best of 5
instead of best of 3
there are more chances to get the # of sets wrong, so it's harder to get the # of sets correct, so shouldnt those who guess the # of sets correctly get more points for doing so?

i'm sure i must have some assumption incorrect here, because there are a bunch of savvy tennis aficionados here, so please let me know where i've gone wrong.

BTW, sign me up. If I can't hang, i'll let you know! :razz: You missed out the bit below it which was what he was talking about:


HERE'S THE SLIGHT ADDITION IN POINTS SCORING- Predictor's are also now able to take a stab @ the range in how many games shall be played in each match..

For example...

Nadal v Verdasco - Nadal wins 6-4, 5-7, 7-6, 6-2

This match would've consisted of 45 games ... if someone has a prediction for the range of games for this match being 45-50 games.. they'll score an additional 5 points.

These ranges can be from 12-17 or 66-71 even .. as long as they are within 5s.

NOTE: This is for only for the 4th round matches and beyond not the first 3 rounds.

gj011
05-23-2009, 09:39 PM
You missed out the bit below it which was what he was talking about:



NOTE: This is for only for the 4th round matches and beyond not the first 3 rounds.

We should cast votes for this addition. I don't agree with it and I saw several other people as well, while TM keeps pushing it.

Love Game
05-23-2009, 09:44 PM
I would prefer if we do women matches from 4th round rather than games.

Women's tennis is a joke. Whoever chokes least wins and thats real talk.

jmo: people are more interesting than numbers; therefore, guessing women w/b more interesting than guessing numbers of games :D imho

Love Game
05-23-2009, 09:47 PM
You missed out the bit below it which was what he was talking about:

HERE'S THE SLIGHT ADDITION IN POINTS SCORING- Predictor's are also now able to take a stab @ the range in how many games shall be played in each match..

For example...

Nadal v Verdasco - Nadal wins 6-4, 5-7, 7-6, 6-2

This match would've consisted of 45 games ... if someone has a prediction for the range of games for this match being 45-50 games.. they'll score an additional 5 points.

These ranges can be from 12-17 or 66-71 even .. as long as they are within 5s.

NOTE: This is for only for the 4th round matches and beyond not the first 3 rounds.

but ... doesn't that address the issue of GAMES, not the issue of SETS? :confused:

I was asking about predicting best of 5 sets versus predicting best of 3 sets:)

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-23-2009, 09:48 PM
We should cast votes for this addition. I don't agree with it and I saw several other people as well, while TM keeps pushing it. Ok I vote in favour of picking womens game from the 4th round onwards instead of the number of games in mens matches from the 4th round onwards.



It is amazing how often I agree with you in this thread gj011.

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-23-2009, 09:48 PM
but ... doesn't that address the issue of GAMES, not the issue of SETS? :confused:

I was asking about predicting best of 5 sets versus predicting best of 3 sets:) There was no change there just abit misleading.

jamesblakefan#1
05-23-2009, 09:52 PM
The games thing wouldn't be too bad in the Rof16, as there would only be 4 matches a day by this pt. Why not compromise and do both?

Love Game
05-23-2009, 09:56 PM
There was no change there just abit misleading.

that's what I was asking. IOW should there not be an increased # of points for guessing 5 sets than there are for guessing 3 sets? because of the fact that it's harder to guess 4 correctly and even harder to guess 5 correctly than it is to guess 3 correctly? :)

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-23-2009, 11:10 PM
that's what I was asking. IOW should there not be an increased # of points for guessing 5 sets than there are for guessing 3 sets? because of the fact that it's harder to guess 4 correctly and even harder to guess 5 correctly than it is to guess 3 correctly? :) Ok I see your point but it is probably too late. Are you going to make your picks?

gj011
05-23-2009, 11:11 PM
Ok I vote in favour of picking womens game from the 4th round onwards instead of the number of games in mens matches from the 4th round onwards.



It is amazing how often I agree with you in this thread gj011.

It is going to snow tomorrow :)

Love Game
05-23-2009, 11:19 PM
It took me an hour, but here goes:
My choice for winner: Nadal
R/U Djokovic

SUNDAY 24 MAY

Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20]
Safin 3:0
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7]
Simon 3:2
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8]
Verdasco 3:1
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG)
Murray 3:1
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26]
Hewitt 3:2
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG)
Stepanek 3:1
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA)
Granollers 3:0
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA)
Querrey 3:2
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG)
Almagro 3:1
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14]
Ferrer 3:0
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ)
Golubev 3:1
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13]
Cilic 3:1
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA)
Lu 3:0
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA)
Brands 3:1
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON)
Sela 3:1
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER)
Petzschner 3:0

Note: First match in 1 hr, 35 min. :D

Love Game
05-23-2009, 11:21 PM
It is going to snow tomorrow :)

I wonder how many will agree! :razz:

aphex
05-24-2009, 02:13 AM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin: 3-1
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon: 3-0
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco: 3-1
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Chela:3-2
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Karlovic: 3-0
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek: 3-1
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers: 3-0
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis: 3-1
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro: 3-0
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer: 3-0
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev: 3-0
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic: 3-1
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu: 3-1
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick: 3-1
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela: 3-0
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner 3-0

tennisplaya
05-24-2009, 02:31 AM
Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin: 3-1
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon: 3-0
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco: 3-1
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Chela:3-2
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Karlovic: 3-0
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek: 3-1
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers: 3-0
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis: 3-1
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro: 3-0
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer: 3-0
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev: 3-0
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic: 3-1
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu: 3-1
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick: 3-1
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela: 3-0
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner 3-0

way too late

theduh
05-24-2009, 02:43 AM
Ok thanks mate:

Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA) v Marat Safin (RUS)[20] - Safin in 3
Wayne Odesnik (USA) v Gilles Simon (FRA)[7] - Simon in 3
Florent Serra (FRA) v Fernando Verdasco (ESP)[8] - Verdasco in 3
Andy Murray (GBR)[3] v Juan Ignacio Chela (ARG) - Murray in 3
Lleyton Hewitt (AUS) v Ivo Karlovic (CRO)[26] - Hewitt in 5
Radek Stepanek (CZE)[18] v Gaston Gaudio (ARG) - Stepanek in 3
Marcel Granollers (ESP) v Josselin Ouanna (FRA) - Granollers in 4
Ernests Gulbis (LAT) v Sam Querrey (USA) - Gulbis in 4
Nicolas Almagro (ESP)[31] v Agustin Calleri (ARG) - Almagro in 3
Frederico Gil (POR) v David Ferrer (ESP)[14] - Ferrer in 3
Denis Gremelmayr (GER) v Andrey Golubev (KAZ) - Golubev in 3
Jan Hernych (CZE) v Marin Cilic (CRO)[13] - Cilic in 3
Yen-Hsun Lu (TPE) v Mathieu Montcourt (FRA) - Lu in 5
Daniel Brands (GER) v Robert Kendrick (USA) - Kendrick in 4
Dudi Sela (ISR) v Jean-Rene Lisnard (MON) - Sela in 3
Peter Polansky (CAN) v Philipp Petzschner (GER) - Petzschner in 3

Should I delete my previous picks to avoid confusion?

No you don't need to. TM should count the last post.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 02:53 AM
So? It is still GS tennis. I think games number prediction is really tedious, not interesting at all and require no skills. Pure luck. I will not do them. I will pick one same answer for all the matches if that rule is forced on rest of us.

What I don't like here is that there were many suggestions what to do, and most people were against games predictions, still you ignored all that, appeared just before the tournament and made a rule based on your preference.

To be fair, there were 2 or 3 who were in favour of the range in games rule as well as 2 or 3 that weren't. Predicting the range of games played between 2 opponents whom fans are familiar with (post 3rd round) suggests you can apply some tennis nouse to the fore, rather than depend on pure luck .. its similar to predicting set scores but harder.

In terms of adding an extra dimension to the tournament, seeing as it is a grandslam, aside from the obvious option of increasing the amount of points scored from landing the right result in sets, there wasn't much else that could be worked with.

I like it, I think it adds a bit extra for the GSs which is good, I also think that with a range of games being available it's not an unreasonably difficult thing to be predicting.

Great job again TM!

I like the idea of awarding points for the right amount of games, but I feel it shouldn't be as much points rewarded as when you get both winner and scoreline correct. Maybe an additional two points instead of five would be appropriorate? Otherwise I feel it would become too much of a gambling game.

^^There were fans in agreement of the system and as you've seen, i have deployed some of their ideas.

In reply to LoveGame and Chelsea_Kiwi as well...

Although the French Open starts today :D I feel its best we have a resounding vote on suggestions made and enforce rules from there.

Type 1 - If in favour of range in game number predictions from the Quarter Finals on wards

Type 2 - If in favour of a sliding points system - meaning points won for correctly predicting winner's and the scorelines would increase as the rounds progress..

If you typed 2, are you comfortable with:

R1: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R2: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R3: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R4: 10 or 4 + 4 or 0
QF: 10 or 4 + 4 or 0
SF: 15 or 6 + 6 or 0
F: 20 or 8 + 8 or 0

^If not and you answered yes, please give your suggestion

Type 3 - If in favour of the introduction of Women's matches to the scene

If you typed 3, pick one of the following to start from:

Quarter Finals
Semi Finals
Final

Note: Votes will be counted as soon as 15 have been taken.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 02:57 AM
Here are mine lol

1 and 2

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 02:58 AM
1. Even though I thought it was Rof16 onward?

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 03:00 AM
I think 2 puts too much onto the Finals. Maybe lessen the gap between getting it right and getting it wrong?

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 03:01 AM
1. Even though I thought it was Rof16 onward?

I think a few people were more in favour of it being from the quarters.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 03:04 AM
I think 2 puts too much onto the Finals. Maybe lessen the gap between getting it right and getting it wrong?

R1: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R2: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R3: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R4: 7 or 4 + 4 or 0
QF: 8 or 5 + 5 or 0
SF: 9 or 5 + 5 or 0
F: 10 or 5 + 5 or 0

What do you reckon? :D This is spot on for me. :D

BRB In 40 or so minutes.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 03:06 AM
I go for 1 and 2, if you change the finals to 15 and 6. I feel 12 pts is too big of a swing that late in the game.

gj011
05-24-2009, 03:08 AM
There were more that 2 or 3 who were against game predictions.

For 2 and 3.
Against 1.

For 2. What are last two columns for? If for games predictions, it should not slide up if introduced at all.

gj011
05-24-2009, 03:09 AM
I think 2 puts too much onto the Finals. Maybe lessen the gap between getting it right and getting it wrong?

I don't think it does. If anything gap should be bigger. There is only one final and 64 first round matches.

gj011
05-24-2009, 03:10 AM
R1: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R2: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R3: 5 or 2 + 2 or 0
R4: 7 or 4 + 4 or 0
QF: 8 or 5 + 5 or 0
SF: 9 or 5 + 5 or 0
F: 10 or 5 + 5 or 0

What do you reckon? :D This is spot on for me. :D

BRB In 40 or so minutes.

No. First was better.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 03:13 AM
There were more that 2 or 3 who were against game predictions.

For 2 and 3.
Against 1.

For 2. What are last two columns for? If for games predictions, it should not slide up if introduced at all.

Scoreline ---- Match result
R1: 5 and 2
R2: 5 and 2
R3: 5 and 2
R4: 7 and 4
QF: 8 and 5
SF: 9 and 5
F: 10 and 5

Vote count so far:

4 voted

In favour of type 1 - 3 People
In favour of type 2 - 3 People
In favour of type 3 - 1 Person

8 People to qualify for each rule change.

shadows
05-24-2009, 03:14 AM
For 1 (from r16 on)

don't mind 2, as long as a happy balance is struck

not too bothered about 3

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 03:20 AM
We should keep the women's out of it, after seein that ivanovic match.
Scoreline ---- Match result

R1: 5 and 2
R2: 5 and 2
R3: 5 and 2
R4: 7 and 4
QF: 8 and 5(+2)
SF: 9 and 5(+2)
F: 10 and 5(+2)

I'm OK with this, with the +2 for getting the games right. Within 5 games range right?

gj011
05-24-2009, 03:31 AM
Scoreline ---- Match result
R1: 5 and 2
R2: 5 and 2
R3: 5 and 2
R4: 7 and 4
QF: 8 and 5
SF: 9 and 5
F: 10 and 5

Vote count so far:

4 voted

In favour of type 1 - 3 People
In favour of type 2 - 3 People
In favour of type 3 - 1 Person

8 People to qualify for each rule change.

8 is not enough. Half of registered and if someone who is not on registered people list votes, required number is increased to include half of total.

Also people should be allowed to vote against.
Also you should count all the people who already voted before your post.
Also I voted for the different scale for 2. One that was published first. This scale is false because ratios between scoreline and result points change from round to round and that should not be the case. All should be multipliers of 5 and 2. Also not enough increase for the latest rounds. As I said there are 64 round 1 matches and only one final. You seem to ignore that fact.

Too much twisting and tricks here for just a simple game this was supposed to be.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 03:41 AM
What happens when someone retires? Does the match not count?

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 07:50 AM
For crying out loud, stop moaning GJO11 .. your like a woman .. never satisfied and always bi*ching, if you don't like it, don't play .. it really is as simple as that.

I've set up a game for people to play in here, your there complaining about slight technicalities to the game and then when i offer up a method of making technical adjustments / tweaks which everyone agrees on, you moan further.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 07:51 AM
What happens when someone retires? Does the match not count?

Yes, unless its during the match.

gj011
05-24-2009, 08:05 AM
For crying out loud, stop moaning GJO11 .. your like a woman .. never satisfied and always bi*ching, if you don't like it, don't play .. it really is as simple as that.

I've set up a game for people to play in here, your there complaining about slight technicalities to the game and then when i offer up a method of making technical adjustments / tweaks which everyone agrees on, you moan further.

Well, sorry to say, but you are not doing a very good job. It is as simple as that.

All my objections are quite valid. You ignore suggestions and votes if you are not in favor of them. You tried with games predictions for one of the masters and people said that we don't want them, now you push them again ignoring multiple voices against. Also you singlehandedly decide that 1/3 of the votes is enough to add new rule. What kind of voting is that?
People should vote in favor or against it. No just count votes in favor. Or it should be clear absolute majority of all people playing.

And forgot to say that not everyone agreed with any of your "tweaks" as you claim. Not even close. Not even close to any reasonable majority.

Ok I won't complain any more, I made my case, but you should be more open to what many people here are suggesting.

If games prediction is pushed on us, my prediction for all matches is 30-35 games. I am making it now for the whole tournament and I will not repeat it or be bothered with it any more.

shadows
05-24-2009, 08:29 AM
Let's vote on how many votes are needed for an idea to be approved!

and then let's vote on how many votes about that vote about the number of votes needed for an idea to be approved should be!

=p

TM is doing a fine job of organizing and running a fun forum event (with the help of miss math). It's an idea he had and it's something a lot of people have been enjoying. I don't see why you have to get so up in arms about things GJ, TM would be well within his rights just to pick the rules for his idea and to tell everyone to play within them rather than allowing discussion. Instead, if there are some alternatives he's happy to reconsider, but when he does then all you do is criticize him further :/

just have fun and care less.

gj011
05-24-2009, 08:29 AM
Yes, unless its during the match.

We just had one during the match. Yen-Hsun Lu retired against Mathieu Montcourt after one set. I guess 2 points should be awarded for all correct winner predictions for this match.

gj011
05-24-2009, 08:36 AM
Let's vote on how many votes are needed for an idea to be approved!

and then let's vote on how many votes about that vote about the number of votes needed for an idea to be approved should be!

=p

TM is doing a fine job of organizing and running a fun forum event (with the help of miss math). It's an idea he had and it's something a lot of people have been enjoying.

I don't see why you have to get so up in arms about things GJ, TM would be well within his rights just to pick rules and not be open to opinions. Instead he does ask everyone if there is some contention, and then all you do is criticize him further.

As I said, sorry but he is not doing a fine job. I am withing my rights to voice that. I was enjoying the game at the beginning, but during Madrid masters it stared to deteriorate with all those accusations and behind the closed door predictions, and now is just getting really bad with what he is trying to push.

This is supposed to be a simple fun game for people who want to play and I don't feel it is that any more.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 08:44 AM
Well, sorry to say, but you are not doing a very good job. It is as simple as that.

All my objections are quite valid. You ignore suggestions and votes if you are not in favor of them. You tried with games predictions for one of the masters and people said that we don't want them, now you push them again ignoring multiple voices against. Also you singlehandedly decide that 1/3 of the votes is enough to add new rule. What kind of voting is that?
People should vote in favor or against it. No just count votes in favor. Or it should be clear absolute majority of all people playing.

And forgot to say that not everyone agreed with any of your "tweaks" as you claim. Not even close. Not even close to any reasonable majority.

Ok I won't complain any more, I made my case, but you should be more open to what many people here are suggesting.

If games prediction is pushed on us, my prediction for all matches is 30-35 games. I am making it now for the whole tournament and I will not repeat it
or be bothered with it any more.

LOL!

Re-read my post, my suggested "tweaks" are as part of a voting poll for people to decide which they feel more @ ease with. You feel at ease with nothing but acting arrogant, cynical and extremely narrow minded about any idea anyone other than yourself suggests. I created a voting pannel for people to vote in, if i counted votes against as well as votes for, we wouldn't have any sort incling as to what THE MAJORITY want.

There are just about 25 odd player's playing this game, if i were to hold out for each and everyone to vote, we could potentially not have an idea of what system is being ran until the end of the first week.

Pushed on "us"? Sorry, no one here is forcing player's to play with certain rules, that is you acting out as spokesperson for all competitors. Tbh i couldn't care less what your predictions are, your doing an amazingly good job @ sucking the life out of this game with the constant bombardment of negative posting.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 08:50 AM
As I said, sorry but he is not doing a fine job. I am withing my rights to voice that. I was enjoying the game at the beginning, but during Madrid masters it stared to deteriorate with all those accusations and behind the closed door predictions, and now is just getting really bad with what he is trying to push.

This is supposed to be a simple fun game for people who want to play and I don't feel it is that any more.

A simple and fun game it was.. yet others AS WELL yourself have on numerous occasions made request to adding extra dimensions to the game, so that it doesn't become overly repetitive.

gj011
05-24-2009, 08:53 AM
LOL!

Re-read my post, my suggested "tweaks" are as part of a voting poll for people to decide which they feel more @ ease with. You feel at ease with nothing but acting arrogant, cynical and extremely narrow minded about any idea anyone other than yourself suggests. I created a voting pannel for people to vote in, if i counted votes against as well as votes for, we wouldn't have any sort incling as to what THE MAJORITY want.

There are just about 25 odd player's playing this game, if i were to hold out for each and everyone to vote, we could potentially not have an idea of what system is being ran until the end of the first week.

Pushed on "us"? Sorry, no one here is forcing player's to play with certain rules, that is you acting out as spokesperson for all competitors. Tbh i couldn't care less what your predictions are, your doing an amazingly good job @ sucking the life out of this game with the constant bombardment of negative posting.

Sorry, but you are the one who acts arrogant here ignoring and twisting any suggestion that you don't like and pushing scoring changes that most of us don't like.
You suck the life out of this game, first by accusing other people and posting predictions behind closed doors during Madrid masters and now making changes to the game no one asked for.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 08:55 AM
Let's vote on how many votes are needed for an idea to be approved!

and then let's vote on how many votes about that vote about the number of votes needed for an idea to be approved should be!

=p

TM is doing a fine job of organizing and running a fun forum event (with the help of miss math). It's an idea he had and it's something a lot of people have been enjoying. I don't see why you have to get so up in arms about things GJ, TM would be well within his rights just to pick the rules for his idea and to tell everyone to play within them rather than allowing discussion. Instead, if there are some alternatives he's happy to reconsider, but when he does then all you do is criticize him further :/

just have fun and care less.

Thank you. He talks about having fun, yet he's the one thats been getting serious. lol

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 09:04 AM
Sorry, but you are the one who acts arrogant here ignoring and twisting any suggestion that you don't like and pushing scoring changes that most of us don't like.
You suck the life out of this game, first by accusing other people and posting predictions behind closed doors during Madrid masters and now making changes to the game no one asked for.

First of all...

I've never ignored a single suggestion, if one person puts one suggestion forward, yet the majority of others don't particularly appreciate his/her idea, how in the blazes would it be logical to take that person's idea on board? Because those have been the only times i've ever ignored a suggestion.

Second of all....

My accusation during the Madrid Master's series prediction league was justifiable and proven right by him admitting to it. YOU even called it suspicious, yet you spring it up in to matters now. I emailed Sefina, 1 prediction, don't like it, don't play, no one else was uncomfortable with the idea.

Third of all.....

No one other than you was irritated by me pointing out Safinator's little trick. However, if you read through posts on this page alone you'll gage an idea that many are irritated by your constant badgering of the rules and such fourth.

JoshDragon
05-24-2009, 09:06 AM
As I said, sorry but he is not doing a fine job. I am withing my rights to voice that. I was enjoying the game at the beginning, but during Madrid masters it stared to deteriorate with all those accusations and behind the closed door predictions, and now is just getting really bad with what he is trying to push.

This is supposed to be a simple fun game for people who want to play and I don't feel it is that any more.

If you don't like these events you don't have to participate in them.

I like the way that Tennis Maestro is running them. Other people seem to like it as well.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 09:12 AM
I can clearly see how predicting the range of games in a competitive match might end up giving a sort of tedious feel to proceedings, so i've progressed the idea for applying to latter stages of the tournament.

If people are still not liking that, then they can say so.

JoshDragon
05-24-2009, 09:19 AM
I can clearly see how predicting the range of games in a competitive match might end up giving a sort of tedious feel to proceedings, so i've progressed the idea for applying to latter stages of the tournament.

If people are still not liking that, then they can say so.

I don't think it's tedious, I like the way that it is. The only thing that I would suggest is to double the amount of points after the third or fourth round. This way you're still in danger of losing your position if you don't guess right.

gj011
05-24-2009, 09:21 AM
First of all...

I've never ignored a single suggestion, if one person puts one suggestion forward, yet the majority of others don't particularly appreciate his/her idea, how in the blazes would it be logical to take that person's idea on board? Because those have been the only times i've ever ignored a suggestion.

Second of all....

My accusation during the Madrid Master's series prediction league was justifiable and proven right by him admitting to it. YOU even called it suspicious, yet you spring it up in to matters now. I emailed Sefina, 1 prediction, don't like it, don't play, no one else was uncomfortable with the idea.

Third of all.....

No one other than you was irritated by me pointing out Safinator's little trick. However, if you read through posts on this page alone you'll gage an idea that many are irritated by your constant badgering of the rules and such fourth.

Again you are not telling the whole truth. Many people said sending predictions behind closed doors via email and messenger is unacceptable.

Also you ignored many suggestions made at the beginning of this thread. Many people said they don't like games predictions and gave several other suggestions. You ignored all that, appeared just before the tournament and announced the rules ignoring all that. Not nice IMO. Just go back and read the whole thread.

Also at the end you come up with suggestions that make no sense at all. Like that latest scale with changing ratios from round to round.

Scoreline ---- Match result
R1: 5 and 2
R2: 5 and 2
R3: 5 and 2
R4: 7 and 4
QF: 8 and 5
SF: 9 and 5
F: 10 and 5

R1, R2, R3 ratio between points awarded is 5/2 = 2.5
R4 ratio is 7/4 = 1.75
QF 8/5 = 1.6
SF 9/5 = 1.8
F 10/5 = 2.

The ratio should be constant. Why is correct set score in QF worth much less than correct set score in 1st round or Final, comparing to just picking a correct winner in the same round?
Just one example.

gj011
05-24-2009, 09:26 AM
I can clearly see how predicting the range of games in a competitive match might end up giving a sort of tedious feel to proceedings, so i've progressed the idea for applying to latter stages of the tournament.

If people are still not liking that, then they can say so.

Many already said so. Please go back and read the thread.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 09:29 AM
gj, I think you should calm down, take it easy, and stop worrying about every aspect of the game being perfect. IMO, the Maestro has done a fair and balanced job, so stop trying to make it so that you speak for everyone, when you clearly don't.

gj011
05-24-2009, 09:32 AM
gj, I think you should calm down, take it easy, and stop worrying about every aspect of the game being perfect. IMO, the Maestro has done a fair and balanced job, so stop trying to make it so that you speak for everyone, when you clearly don't.

I am not saying I speak for everyone, but there are people who share my opinion.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 09:45 AM
OK, well then you voice your opinion, instead of saying the same over and over. Stop being so negative and trying to sabotage the game just because you don't get your way.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 09:55 AM
I am not saying I speak for everyone, but there are people who share my opinion.

Who???????

gj011
05-24-2009, 09:56 AM
OK, well then you voice your opinion, instead of saying the same over and over. Stop being so negative and trying to sabotage the game just because you don't get your way.

Well that is pretty unfair statement.

I am not trying to sabotage anything, I am just saying that TM is making the game worse than it was so far, and ignoring other peoples opinion.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 09:56 AM
The ratio should be constant. Why is correct set score in QF worth much less than correct set score in 1st round or Final, comparing to just picking a correct winner in the same round?
Just one example.

Because, as its already been mentioned and talked about many times before.... it is easier to predict the outcome of high calibre well known tennis stars as opposed to the relatively unknown streaky player's, whos game we aern't as familiar with.

gj011
05-24-2009, 09:57 AM
Who???????

I have to repeat myself again, since TM ignores everything he does not like.

Go back and read the thread from the beginning.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 09:58 AM
Well that is pretty unfair statement.

I am not trying to sabotage anything, I am just saying that TM is making the game worse than it was so far, and ignoring other peoples opinion.

Making it worse... in your opinion.... :D

I've already provided countless evidence to prove your claim as being severely incorrect in regards to taking people's opinion's on board.

gj011
05-24-2009, 09:59 AM
Because, as its already been mentioned and talked about many times before.... it is easier to predict the outcome of high calibre well known tennis stars as opposed to the relatively unknown streaky player's, whos game we aern't as familiar with.

You didn't get it. The ratio between points awarded for the correct set score and just correct winner have to be constant for all rounds. It has nothing to do with what you are saying.

Also why is ratio biggest for the first round, than second biggest for the final and lowest for the QF?

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 10:00 AM
You know what gj011, just don't play, honestly.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 10:01 AM
Completed Matches
Safin def. Sidorenko 6-4,6-4,6-4 (3 sets)
Simon def. Odesnik 3-6,7-5,6-2,4-6,6-3 (5 sets)
Verdasco def Serra 6-2,6-1,6-4 (3 sets)
Murray def. Chela 6-2,6-2,6-1 (3 sets)
Hewitt def. Karlovic 6-7,6-7,7-6,6-4,6-3 (5 sets)
Stepanek def. Gaudio 6-3,6-4,6-1 (3 sets)
Ouanna def. Grannollers 7-5,2-6,3-6,7-6,6-1 (5 sets)
Ferrer def. Gil 6-2,6-4,6-4 (3 sets)
Almagro def. Calleri 6-4,6-1,6-3 (3 sets)
Golubev def. Gremelmayr 6-3,6-3,6-2 (3 sets)
Cilic def. Hernych 6-0,6-4,6-3 (3 sets)
Montcourt def Lu 6-2 (retired)
Kendrick def. Brands 6-7,7-5,7-6,4-6,6-3 (5 sets)
Petzschner def Polansky 5-7,6-2,7-6,4-6,6-3 (5 sets)
Sela def Lisnard 6-4,6-3,4-6,6-3 (4 sets)

Gulbis vs Querrey is only match left.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 10:05 AM
You didn't get it. The ratio between points awarded for the correct set score and just correct winner have to be constant for all rounds. It has nothing to do with what you are saying.

Also why is ratio biggest for the first round, than second biggest for the final and lowest for the QF?

What so called law states it should be constant? It has a lot to do with that, as any one with 1% of tennis knowledge would be able to predict a win for Nadal / Federer / Djokovic against any other opponent in the Quarter finals.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 10:06 AM
^^^I'd say just stop worrying about him. If he doesn't wanna play by the rules, he won't win, simple as that.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 10:11 AM
^Fully Agreed

gj011
05-24-2009, 10:23 AM
What so called law states it should be constant? It has a lot to do with that, as any one with 1% of tennis knowledge would be able to predict a win for Nadal / Federer / Djokovic against any other opponent in the Quarter finals.

Yes and you value that more with lower ratio. As I said makes no sense.

There is no law but it simply makes no sense. And you still didn't quite get what is wrong with ratios not being constant.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 10:35 AM
Yes and you value that more with lower ratio. As I said makes no sense.

There is no law but it simply makes no sense. And you still didn't quite get what is wrong with ratios not being constant.

Could you shut up about ratios? It's just picking freakin' matches. No need to get all mathematical about it. Please. If others agree with you, they'll say so. Until then, Shut the _ up.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 10:38 AM
Completed Matches
Safin def. Sidorenko 6-4,6-4,6-4 (3 sets)
Simon def. Odesnik 3-6,7-5,6-2,4-6,6-3 (5 sets)
Verdasco def Serra 6-2,6-1,6-4 (3 sets)
Murray def. Chela 6-2,6-2,6-1 (3 sets)
Hewitt def. Karlovic 6-7,6-7,7-6,6-4,6-3 (5 sets)
Stepanek def. Gaudio 6-3,6-4,6-1 (3 sets)
Ouanna def. Grannollers 7-5,2-6,3-6,7-6,6-1 (5 sets)
Ferrer def. Gil 6-2,6-4,6-4 (3 sets)
Almagro def. Calleri 6-4,6-1,6-3 (3 sets)
Golubev def. Gremelmayr 6-3,6-3,6-2 (3 sets)
Cilic def. Hernych 6-0,6-4,6-3 (3 sets)
Montcourt def Lu 6-2 (retired)
Kendrick def. Brands 6-7,7-5,7-6,4-6,6-3 (5 sets)
Petzschner def Polansky 5-7,6-2,7-6,4-6,6-3 (5 sets)
Sela def Lisnard 6-4,6-3,4-6,6-3 (4 sets)
Gulbis def Querrey 7-6,6-1,3-6,6-1 (4 sets)

Love Game
05-24-2009, 10:39 AM
nvm jbf faster on the draw:D

-------------------

i'm sorry i missed out on the disagreement.
don't at this moment understand both sides.

can't we all just get along? :cry: :cry: :cry:

(j/k ... rodney king moment)

JoshDragon
05-24-2009, 10:44 AM
Yes and you value that more with lower ratio. As I said makes no sense.

There is no law but it simply makes no sense. And you still didn't quite get what is wrong with ratios not being constant.

Let's just move on from this argument. I agree with Jamesblakefan#1 it's just picking matches. No reason to get upset over it.

gj011
05-24-2009, 10:56 AM
Let's just move on from this argument. I agree with Jamesblakefan#1 it's just picking matches. No reason to get upset over it.

Let's just do the right thing and then move on. It is still not clear what are the rules?

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 11:07 AM
We're just doing regular picks for the first three rounds. Then after that, I think most people aren't too upset about the games thing, except for you. And I think most people don't have a problem with increased scoring in later rounds. I'm ok with the original scale, if it's easier and ends the argument. And womens is going to be left out.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 11:34 AM
Any update on scores so far?

gj011
05-24-2009, 11:38 AM
We're just doing regular picks for the first three rounds. Then after that, I think most people aren't too upset about the games thing, except for you. And I think most people don't have a problem with increased scoring in later rounds. I'm ok with the original scale, if it's easier and ends the argument. And womens is going to be left out.

And this is decided when?

There are other people who don't like games picks, read the thread, and also it was already rejected once before.
Why do you reject women's picks, it is basically you and TM who are against? It is much more interesting than lame games picks.

As I said, you guys just make rules as you see fit ignoring others.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 11:44 AM
^^^Can't we just figure it out later? We have time before the games picks would be made anyways, so when people come to check scores, they can weigh in and give their opinion. It is not an urgent thing one way or another. If you had these concerns, why bring them up at the eleventh hour, on the day play starts?

shadows
05-24-2009, 11:51 AM
And this is decided when?

There are other people who don't like games picks, read the thread, and also it was already rejected once before.
Why do you reject women's picks, it is basically you and TM who are against? It is much more interesting than lame games picks.

As I said, you guys just make rules as you see fit ignoring others.

no offence intended here but I read back through the thread to be certain and the only people who initially objected to the games rule being used here were yourself, chelsea and slice. Since then Chelsea and slice both said that it would probably be a workable option if it was introduced for the later rounds only, with chelsea still preferring to opt with predicting the womens results.

Incidentally out of the small number of people to have replied to TMs 3 proposals so far you are the only one who's opted for the womens results option.

gj011
05-24-2009, 11:54 AM
^^^Can't we just figure it out later? We have time before the games picks would be made anyways, so when people come to check scores, they can weigh in and give their opinion. It is not an urgent thing one way or another. If you had these concerns, why bring them up at the eleventh hour, on the day play starts?

No you are not correct here, several of us brought concerns several days ago. It was TM who was missing, showed up just before tournament started and just made up rules, ignoring what other had to say.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 11:55 AM
And this is decided when?

There are other people who don't like games picks, read the thread, and also it was already rejected once before.
Why do you reject women's picks, it is basically you and TM who are against? It is much more interesting than lame games picks.

As I said, you guys just make rules as you see fit ignoring others.

I was the one who originally brought women's picks into the discussion! But now, I feel as though it would be too complicated, and others weren't so high on picking women's matches, given the unpredictability of the women's field. So why don't you understand the concept of compromise?

gj011
05-24-2009, 12:04 PM
I was the one who originally brought women's picks into the discussion! But now, I feel as though it would be too complicated, and others weren't so high on picking women's matches, given the unpredictability of the women's field. So why don't you understand the concept of compromise?

OK let's compromise. If many people don't pick any option until 4th round, drop women and use first proposed scale to increase points in later rounds (with constant ratios and more points added). Also I would like to drop games picks, but if you guys insist to keep them, do them then, and I will just stay with my prediction of 30-35 games for all matches and not be bothered by them.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 12:07 PM
Fair enough.

seffina
05-24-2009, 01:10 PM
I'm out of town at the moment, so sorry for the lack of formatting and lateness.

Name
1 Chelsea_Kiwi 58
2 jamesblakefan#1 50
2 theduh 50
4 CocaCola 49
5 fedtastic 48
5 seffina 48
5 tudwell 48
8 FlamEnemy 47
8 icedevil0289 47
10 Tennis_Maestro 45
11 gj011 43
11 slicekick95 43
13 shadows 42
13 VivalaVida 42
15 batz 41
15 egn 41
17 aphex 39
17 Love_Game 39
18 RoddickAce 35
19 MizunoMX20 34
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I prefer the guessing the games from 4th round onwards. It might be a failure, but I would like to try it and see how it goes. I don't like the matches being worth more in the later rounds as they simply aren't any harder to predict. I would personally enjoy predicting the ladies matches, however, I feel that not everyone would be on an even footing. Not many that participate follow the matches and it would just not be right to make them predict them. I'm also disappointed that only nineteen people participated today. Anyways, have a good day all.

seffina
05-24-2009, 01:30 PM
MONDAY'S MATCHES:

Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA)
Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2]
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA)
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA)
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17
Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA)
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT)
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG)
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28]
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25]
Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA)
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP)
Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL)
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA)
Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP)
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE)
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19]
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT)
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI)
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER)
Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE)
Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL)
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS)
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG)
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX)
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP)
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL)
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG)

gj011
05-24-2009, 01:41 PM
MONDAY'S MATCHES:

Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA) Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2] Federer in 4
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA) PHM in 4
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA) Roddick in 4
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] Wawrinka in 3
Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) Chardy in 3
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) Davydenko in 3
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG) Schwank in 4
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] Andreev in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA) Zverev in 3
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) Tipsarevic in 5
Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL) Vliegen in 3
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA) Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP) Andujar in 5
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE) Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] Berdych in 5
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT) Massu in 4
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI) Junqueira in 4
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER) Bozoljac in 5
Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE) Hernandez in 3
Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL) Istomin in 4
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) Kunitsyn in 4
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) Arguello in 5
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) Youzhny in 4
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) Acasuso in 3
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) Hanescu in 3
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG) Melzer in 4

thejoe
05-24-2009, 01:51 PM
MONDAY'S MATCHES:

Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA) Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2] Federer in 4
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA) PHM in 4
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA) Roddick in 4
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] Wawrinka in 3
Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) Chardy in 3
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) Davydenko in 3
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG) Schwank in 4
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] Andreev in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA) Zverev in 3
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) Tipsarevic in 5
Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL) Vliegen in 3
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA) Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP) Andujar in 5
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE) Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] Berdych in 5
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT) Massu in 4
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI) Junqueira in 4
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER) Bozoljac in 5
Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE) Hernandez in 3
Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL) Istomin in 4
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) Kunitsyn in 4
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) Arguello in 5
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) Youzhny in 4
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) Acasuso in 3
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) Hanescu in 3
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG) Melzer in 4


How much do you hate the guy? Seriously?

VivalaVida
05-24-2009, 02:14 PM
1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA)- Rafa in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2] Roger in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA) PM in 3
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA) A rod in 3
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17 Stan in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) Chardy in 4
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG) Schwank in 4
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28]- Lopez in 3
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] Andreev in 4
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA)- Starace in 3
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) -Tipsy in 4
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL) Vliegen in 3
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA) Soderling in3
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP) Ginepri in 4
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE)- Gonzo in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] Tomas in 3
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT) Massu in 5
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI)- Deigo in 4
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER)- Kiefer in 3
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE)- Herandez in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL)- Istomin in 3
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS)- Kunitsyn in 4
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) Arguello in 5
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) Youzhny in 3
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) Acasuso in 3
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) Hanescu in 3
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG)- Melzer in3

VivalaVida
05-24-2009, 02:16 PM
How much do you hate the guy? Seriously?
It's no big deal. He is prob taking some risks for points. I mean tipservic is gj011's fav player and gj011 put him down to win in 5 sets. So I think he is being fair.

CocaCola
05-24-2009, 02:17 PM
MONDAY

Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 4
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka in 4
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 3
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 3
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - Zverev in 4
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Tipsarevic in 5
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 3
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 5
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Bolelli in 5
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu in 3
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Junqueira in 4
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Bozoljac in 5
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Giraldo in 5
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Gabashvili in 4
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello in 4
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - Youzhny in 3
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 3
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in 4
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer in 4

gj011
05-24-2009, 02:31 PM
How much do you hate the guy? Seriously?

Wow. Are you going to bully other people over picks now, if you don't like them. :shock:

I didn't pick Federer to lose anyway. Even if I did, they are my picks.

fedtastic
05-24-2009, 02:58 PM
MONDAY

Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 4
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka in 4
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 3
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 4
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 4
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - Zverev in 4
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Montanes in 5
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 4
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 5
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Berdych in 4
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu in 4
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Junqueira in 5
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 5
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 4
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Giraldo in 5
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Gabashvili in 4
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello in 5
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - Muller in 4
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 3
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in 4
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer in 4

aphex
05-24-2009, 02:59 PM
Wow. Are you going to bully other people over picks now, if you don't like them. :shock:

I didn't pick Federer to lose anyway. Even if I did, they are my picks.

this was the only drama-free thread in all of general pro player discussion
and you you managed to f.uck that up----tennis_maestro is way too kind with you...why don't you do us all a favour and

http://refreshed.notian.net/STFU.jpg

aphex
05-24-2009, 03:03 PM
Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 3
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka in 3
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 5
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 5
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - fognini in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - starace in 4
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Montanes in 3
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 4
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 3
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - bolleli in 4
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - koelleler in 4
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - capdeville in 3
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 5
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Giraldo in 5
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Gabashvili in 4
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello in 4
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - youhzny in 3
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 4
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in3
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer in 3

RoddickAce
05-24-2009, 03:28 PM
Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 3
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 4
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka in 3
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 4
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 5
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 4
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 3
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - Starace in 4
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Tipsarevic in 3
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 4
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 3
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Berdych in 4
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu in 4
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Junqueira in 3
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 3
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 4
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Istomin in 4
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Gabashvili in 4
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello in 3
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - Youhzny in 3
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 4
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in3
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer in 3

Love Game
05-24-2009, 03:59 PM
this was the only drama-free thread in all of general pro player discussion
and you you managed to f.uck that up----tennis_maestro is way too kind with you...why don't you do us all a favour and

http://refreshed.notian.net/STFU.jpg

i'm not fond of telling other members to "stfu" or "gtfo" because it's really not in the spirit of this family forum ... and it's a violation of rule #1 ... probably for a reason. i really dont want to come on this thread if this is the kind of thing i'll be reading.

i also cant really go along with some members posting their votes in secret while others dont, because if everybody posted their votes in secret ... would the thread hold the same interest for readers of the thread? :confused: my guess is "no," tho others may not agree.

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bottom line: i'll give it one more day to see if it's taking me too much time to come up with my picks, plus trying to keep up with the pros and cons

plus: I didnt find an answer (did I miss it?) from either TM or Seffina (I'm guessing you two are in charge of these things) as to my question about the 5 points for guessing sets correctly regardless if it's 5 sets youre guessing (as in the slams) or 3 (as in the masters) ........ Would one of you please let me know on that?

rant off ... one more try ... :D

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 04:29 PM
i'm not fond of telling other members to "stfu" or "gtfo" because it's really not in the spirit of this family forum ... and it's a violation of rule #1 ... probably for a reason. i really dont want to come on this thread if this is the kind of thing i'll be reading.

i also cant really go along with some members posting their votes in secret while others dont, because if everybody posted their votes in secret ... would the thread hold the same interest for readers of the thread? :confused: my guess is "no," tho others may not agree.

===========

bottom line: i'll give it one more day to see if it's taking me too much time to come up with my picks, plus trying to keep up with the pros and cons

plus: I didnt find an answer (did I miss it?) from either TM or Seffina (I'm guessing you two are in charge of these things) as to my question about the 5 points for guessing sets correctly regardless if it's 5 sets youre guessing (as in the slams) or 3 (as in the masters) ........ Would one of you please let me know on that?

rant off ... one more try ... :D

I already answered your question earlier, so yes you did miss it.

All voted suggestions in terms of rules for games, sliding points system and the women's draw will be counted once the 3rd round has started.

Until then can we please all stop the bickering and just enjoy the game.

Tennis_Maestro
05-24-2009, 04:39 PM
Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal 3/0
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer 3/0
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu 3/0
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3/0
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka 3/0
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy 3/1
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko 3/0
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank 3/0
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez 3/1
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - starace 3/1
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Tipsarevic 3/0
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen 3/1
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling 3/1
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri 3/1
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez 3/0
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] -Berdych 3/1
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu 3/1
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - capdeville 3/1
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer 3/1
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez 3/0
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Giraldo 3/2
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Gabashvili 3/1
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello 3/1
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - youhzny 3/0
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso 3/1
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu 3/0
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer 3/0

JoshDragon
05-24-2009, 04:50 PM
MONDAY'S MATCHES:

1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA) Rafa in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2] Roger in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA) Mathieu in 3
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA) Roddick in 4
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17 Wawrinka in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) Chardy in 4
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG) Rufin in 4
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] Lopez in 4
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] Andreev in 4
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA) Starace in 4
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) Montanes in 4
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL) Machado in 4
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA) Soderling in 3
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP) Ginepri in 5
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE) Gonzalez in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] Berydych in 4
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT) Massu in 3
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI) Junqueira in 3
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER) Bozoljac in 4
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE) Minar in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL) Istomin in 3
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) Kunitsyn in 4
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) Bellucci in 5
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) Youhzny in 3
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) Agasuso in 4
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) Hanescu in 4
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG) Melzer in 3

icedevil0289
05-24-2009, 05:06 PM
1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA)- Rafa in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2] Roger in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA) Mathieu in 3
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA) Roddick in 3
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17 Stan in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) Chardy in 4
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG) Schwank in 3
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28]- Lopez in 3
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] Andreev in 4
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA)- Starace in 3
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) - Tipsarevic in 4
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL) Vliegen in 3
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA) Soderling in 4
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP) Ginepri in 4
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE)- Gonzo in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] Berdych in 4
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT) Massu in 5
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI)- Deigo in 4
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER)- Kiefer in 3
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE)- Herandez in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL)- Istomin in 3
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS)- Kunitsyn in 4
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) Arguello in 4
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) Youzhny in 4
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) Acasuso in 3
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) Hanescu in 3
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG)- Melzer in3

tudwell
05-24-2009, 05:17 PM
1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA)- Nadal in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2]- Federer in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA)- Mathieu in 3
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA)- Roddick in 3
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17]- Wawrinka in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA)- Chardy in 4
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG)- Schwank in 3
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28]- Lopez in 4
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25]- Andreev in 3
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA)- Starace in 4
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) - Montanes in 4
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL)- Vliegen in 5
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA)- Soderling in 4
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP)- Ginepri in 4
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE)- Gonzo in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19]- Berdych in 3
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT)- Massu in 4
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI)- Junqueira in 4
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER)- Kiefer in 3
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE)- Herandez in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL)- Istomin in 4
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS)- Kunitsyn in 4
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) Bellucci in 4
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) Youzhny in 3
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) Acasuso in 4
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) Hanescu in 4
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG)- Melzer in 3

MizunoMX20
05-24-2009, 05:54 PM
I vote for option 2 with probably an ever bigger increase in the amount of points awarded towards the latter stages of the tournament.

There's 64 matches in R1, so that leads to:

64 * 5 = 320 points available in R1


There's 1 final, so that leads to:

1 * 5 = 5 points available in Final


That doesn't make a lot of sense at all.


Furthermore, I would agree with the number of games being from the quarters and on, but only if we introduce the increased points system.

MizunoMX20
05-24-2009, 05:57 PM
1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA)- Nadal in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2]- Federer in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA)- Mathieu in 3
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA)- Roddick in 3
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17]- Wawrinka in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA)- Phau in 5
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG)- Schwank in 3
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28]- Lopez in 4
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25]- Andreev in 5
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA)- Zverev in 4
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) - Tipsarevic in 5
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL)- Vliegen in 5
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA)- Soderling in 3
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP)- Ginepri in 4
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE)- Gonzo in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19]- Berdych in 4
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT)- Massu in 4
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI)- Junqueira in 4
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER)- Kiefer in 4
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE)- Herandez in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL)- Istomin in 4
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS)- Kunitsyn in 4
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) Bellucci in 4
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) Youzhny in 4
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) Acasuso in 3
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) Darcis in 4
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG)- Melzer in 3

seffina
05-24-2009, 06:28 PM
1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA)- Nadal in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2]- Federer in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA)- Mathieu in 3
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA)- Roddick in 3
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17]- Wawrinka in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA)- Chardy in 4
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG)- Schwank in 3
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28]- Lopez in 3
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25]- Fognini in 5
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA)- Zverev in 4
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) - Montanes in 4
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL)- Vliegen in 3
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA)- Soderling in 3
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP)- Ginepri in 4
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE)- Gonzozlez in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19]- Berdych in 4
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT)- Massu in 3
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI)- Junqueira in 5
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER)- Kiefer in 3
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE)- Herandez in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL)- Istomin in 5
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS)- Gabashvili in 4
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) Bellucci in 4
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) Youzhny in 3
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) Acasuso in 3
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) Hanescu in 4
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG)- Melzer in 3

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Love_Game, I'm not in charge of anything. I just tally up the scores. We get five points for the correct number sets, two for the incorrect as far as i understand it. Same as the Masters.

Let's just have fun everyone... it's just fun trying to predict the matches and it gives me a minor stake in matches I might not have cared about before.

theduh
05-24-2009, 07:26 PM
1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 3
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17 - Wawrinka in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 4
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 4
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 3
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA) - Starace in 3
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) - Janko in 4
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 4
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 4
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzales in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Berdych in 4
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu in 4
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Jungueira in 5
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 3
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Giraldo in 4
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Kunitsyn in 5
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello in 4
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) - Youzhny in 3
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 3
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in 3
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG) Melzer in 3

salsainglesa
05-24-2009, 07:32 PM
can i still sign in?

theduh
05-24-2009, 07:32 PM
For the love of God!!! Guys this is the is only the first season of our little game here (hopefully there's another season next year) so we can not just force rule change days before or during the tournament it self. I suggest that we stick with the current rules and point system then we can all have a look at it during right AFTER the FO.

We can "tweak\add\edit" the things we like weeks before Wimbledon and end up with a very nice and "non" biased system. Thoughts please.

theduh
05-24-2009, 07:33 PM
can i still sign in?

Sure you can, but you basically missed the first day and winner - runner up predictions.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 07:54 PM
Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 3
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka in 3
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 5
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 4
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 3
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - Zverev in 5
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Montanes in 4
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 3
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 4
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Berdych in 4
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Koellerer in 4
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Capdeville in 4
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 3
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Giraldo in 4
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Kunitsyn in 5
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello in 5
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - Youzhny in 5
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 4
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in 3
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer in 3

salsainglesa
05-24-2009, 08:17 PM
1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 4
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17 - Wawrinka in 4
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 5
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 4
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 3
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA) - Zverev in 4
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) - Janko in 4
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 3
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Andujar in 4
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzales in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Bolelli in 5
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu in 4
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Capdeville in 4
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 3
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Giraldo in 4
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Kunitsyn in 5
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello in 4
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) - Youzhny in 3
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Ventura in 5
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) - Darcis in 3
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG) Melzer in 4

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-24-2009, 09:25 PM
Ok this has gone crazy I see. I will vote in favour of option 1 as there appear to be many not behind option 3. I am strongly against option 2 as I believe it makes the early rounds meaningless. The discussion before was that it is harder to pick earlier rounds which is true so if we give more points to say the final it says it is harder to pick a final (10 points) then two earlier round matches which in some cases is simply not true.

For this prediction league we should leave it as it is (predicting games from 4th/Q round onwards) and change it for the next league which is Wimbledon.

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-24-2009, 09:39 PM
MONDAY

Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 3
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka in 3
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 4
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 3
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - Zverev in 4
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Montanes in 5
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 4
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 4
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Berdych in 4
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu in 5
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Capdeville in 5
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 4
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Istomin in 4
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Kunitsyn in 4
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello in 4
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - Youzhny in 3
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 3
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in 3
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer in 3

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 09:46 PM
I agree. But there should be some pts change for later rnds, just not from 5 to 20 or 5 to 16.

1st 3 rounds:5---2
Rof16 & QF: 6---3 (+2 for correct games range)
SF: 7---4 (+2 for correct games range)
F: 8---5 (+2 for correct games range)

Thoughts?

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-24-2009, 09:59 PM
I agree. But there should be some pts change for later rnds, just not from 5 to 20 or 5 to 16.

1st 3 rounds:5---2
Rof16 & QF: 6---3 (+2 for correct games range)
SF: 7---4 (+2 for correct games range)
F: 8---5 (+2 for correct games range)

Thoughts? Yes I agree 100% with this. If we are to change it at all however.

shadows
05-24-2009, 10:03 PM
Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 3
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka in 3
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 4
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 4
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Fognini in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - Zverev in 4
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Tipsy in 5
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 4
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Andujar in 4
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Berdych in 4
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu in 4
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Capdeville in 5
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 3
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Istomin in 4
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Gabashvilli in 5
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Belluci in 4
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - Youzhny in 3
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 3
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in 3
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer in 3

slicekick95
05-24-2009, 11:21 PM
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Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 3
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka in 3
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 4
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 4
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - Zverev in 4
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Tipsy in 4
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 4
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 4
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Berdych in 4
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu in 4
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Capdeville in 5
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 3
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Istomin in 4
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Gabashvilli in 5
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Belluci in 4
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - Muller in 4
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 3
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in 3
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer in 4

gj011
05-24-2009, 11:59 PM
I agree. But there should be some pts change for later rnds, just not from 5 to 20 or 5 to 16.

1st 3 rounds:5---2
Rof16 & QF: 6---3 (+2 for correct games range)
SF: 7---4 (+2 for correct games range)
F: 8---5 (+2 for correct games range)

Thoughts?

What happened with the compromise. Pushing this nonsense again?

I thought we agreed on the other scale. This scale has changing ratios and point increase is way too small.

Definitely against this one. This is really bad. Better not increase points at all then. Point increase is so small that it is meaningless. Also please realize that ratio has to be the same for all rounds (5/2 = 2.5).

gj011
05-25-2009, 12:01 AM
Ok this has gone crazy I see. I will vote in favour of option 1 as there appear to be many not behind option 3. I am strongly against option 2 as I believe it makes the early rounds meaningless. The discussion before was that it is harder to pick earlier rounds which is true so if we give more points to say the final it says it is harder to pick a final (10 points) then two earlier round matches which in some cases is simply not true.

For this prediction league we should leave it as it is (predicting games from 4th/Q round onwards) and change it for the next league which is Wimbledon.

If we don't significantly increase points for later round the game will be meaningless after 3rd round. Simply there will be not enough points left and winner will be likely decided. See this:

I vote for option 2 with probably an ever bigger increase in the amount of points awarded towards the latter stages of the tournament.

There's 64 matches in R1, so that leads to:

64 * 5 = 320 points available in R1


There's 1 final, so that leads to:

1 * 5 = 5 points available in Final


That doesn't make a lot of sense at all.


Furthermore, I would agree with the number of games being from the quarters and on, but only if we introduce the increased points system.

batz
05-25-2009, 12:04 AM
Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
Alberto Martin (ESP) v Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 3
Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17] - Wawrinka in 3
Bjorn Phau (GER) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 3
Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 4
Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
Fabio Fognini (ITA) v Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Fognini in 4
Mischa Zverev (GER) v Potito Starace (ITA) - Zverev in 4
Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v Albert Montanes (ESP) - Tipsy in 5
Rui Machado (POR) v Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 3
Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
Robby Ginepri (USA) v Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 5
Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzalez in 3
Simone Bolelli (ITA) v Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Bolleli in 4
Nicolas Massu (CHI) v Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Koellerer in 4
Diego Junqueira (ARG) v Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Capdeville in 4
Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 3
Oscar Hernandez (ESP)v Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
Denis Istomin (UZB) v Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Istomin in 3
Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Gabashvili in 4
Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Belluci in 4
Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v Gilles Muller (LUX) - Youzhny in 3
Jose Acasuso (ARG) v Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 3
Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in 3
Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v Sergio Roitman (ARG) - Melzer in 3

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-25-2009, 12:18 AM
If we don't significantly increase points for later round the game will be meaningless after 3rd round. Simply there will be not enough points left and winner will be likely decided. See this: I don't see your point though? Everyone has the same chance to get those 1st round points and there is actually going to be like 7-10 points on offer for the final round so why does someone who is like 20 points behind and gets one pick right deserve to be ahead of someone who has got far more picks right and just made one error?

Basically you are saying people who have good knowledge of early round games don't deserve their lead they get going into the latter rounds. 10 points is the absolute max that can be offered for one match including game bonuses...

theduh
05-25-2009, 12:24 AM
Reposting!!!

1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA) - Nadal in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2] - Federer in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA) - Mathieu in 3
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17 - Wawrinka in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 4
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) - Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG) - Schwank in 4
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28] - Lopez in 3
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 3
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA) - Starace in 3
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) - Janko in 4
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL) - Vliegen in 4
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA) - Soderling in 3
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP) - Ginepri in 4
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE) - Gonzales in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19] - Berdych in 4
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT) - Massu in 4
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI) - Jungueira in 5
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER) - Kiefer in 3
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL) - Giraldo in 4
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS) - Kunitsyn in 5
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Arguello in 4
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) - Youzhny in 3
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) - Acasuso in 3
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) - Hanescu in 3
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG) Melzer in 3

jamesblakefan#1
05-25-2009, 12:56 AM
I don't see your point though? Everyone has the same chance to get those 1st round points and there is actually going to be like 7-10 points on offer for the final round so why does someone who is like 20 points behind and gets one pick right deserve to be ahead of someone who has got far more picks right and just made one error?

Basically you are saying people who have good knowledge of early round games don't deserve their lead they get going into the latter rounds. 10 points is the absolute max that can be offered for one match including game bonuses...

Agreed. gj seems to be the only vocal disaproover left.

MizunoMX20
05-25-2009, 02:31 AM
For the love of God!!! Guys this is the is only the first season of our little game here (hopefully there's another season next year) so we can not just force rule change days before or during the tournament it self. I suggest that we stick with the current rules and point system then we can all have a look at it during right AFTER the FO.

I made suggestions over a week ago, well before the tournament started, just nobody really responded to it.

No increase in points would make the later rounds meaningless, not the other way round, like I've heard someone say before.

To make my point more clear:

After three rounds there will be 64 + 32 + 16 = 112 matches played.
That's 112 * 5 = 560 points available.

From then on there will be 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 15 matches played.
That's 15 * 5 = 75 points available.

It's pretty obvious to me that the difference in points between the participants in the game will be so big that there will be nothing more to play for for a big number of people, which would make the game meaningless from R4 and on. I can tell you right now there will be a lot of people who're not gonna vote anymore, and since we have just 19 participants, this is not something we would want.

If we do the increase in points, it should look something like this:

R4: 8 * 10 = 80
QF: 4 * 10 = 40
SF: 2 * 15 = 30
F: 1 * 20 = 20

80 + 40 + 30 + 20 = 170

170 vs. 560 in my opinion is much better than 75 vs. 560 for R1 + R2 + R3 vs. R4 + QF + SF + F.

theduh
05-25-2009, 02:57 AM
I made suggestions over a week ago, well before the tournament started, just nobody really responded to it.

No increase in points would make the later rounds meaningless, not the other way round, like I've heard someone say before.

To make my point more clear:

After three rounds there will be 64 + 32 + 16 = 112 matches played.
That's 112 * 5 = 560 points available.

From then on there will be 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 15 matches played.
That's 15 * 5 = 75 points available.

It's pretty obvious to me that the difference in points between the participants in the game will be so big that there will be nothing more to play for for a big number of people, which would make the game meaningless from R4 and on. I can tell you right now there will be a lot of people who're not gonna vote anymore, and since we have just 19 participants, this is not something we would want.

If we do the increase in points, it should look something like this:

R4: 8 * 10 = 80
QF: 4 * 10 = 40
SF: 2 * 15 = 30
F: 1 * 20 = 20

80 + 40 + 30 + 20 = 170

170 vs. 560 in my opinion is much better than 75 vs. 560 for R1 + R2 + R3 vs. R4 + QF + SF + F.

My bad I didn't saw your post. Suggestion is not bad at all. May be we could apply these during Wimbledon.

jamesblakefan#1
05-25-2009, 04:23 AM
Surely the Zvrev/Starace match can't count. Zverev retired at 1 set all.

gj011
05-25-2009, 05:28 AM
I don't see your point though? Everyone has the same chance to get those 1st round points and there is actually going to be like 7-10 points on offer for the final round so why does someone who is like 20 points behind and gets one pick right deserve to be ahead of someone who has got far more picks right and just made one error?

Basically you are saying people who have good knowledge of early round games don't deserve their lead they get going into the latter rounds. 10 points is the absolute max that can be offered for one match including game bonuses...

I don't see yours at all. See Mizuno's posts who are conveniently ignored by everyone.
The game will lose any meaning after 2nd or 3rd round if point values are not increased.

This is like saying why the final winer gets more ATP points than winer in 2nd round comparing to loser in the same matches, because a win is a win. :shock:

gj011
05-25-2009, 05:33 AM
Agreed. gj seems to be the only vocal disaproover left.

No I am not the only one. It is Mizuno and me on one side and Kiwi and you on the other. Don't act like it is everyone vs me while it is just 2:2. Many other people said they prefer point increase as well.

I am asking again. What happened with the compromise, you conveniently ignore now.

And don't ignore the fact that your scale suck and is completely inappropriate. It is just an easy way out to avoid any meaningful point increase.
Do you people have even basic math skills? Ratios have to be constant from round to round, for game to have any sense at all.

gj011
05-25-2009, 05:34 AM
double post.

gj011
05-25-2009, 05:36 AM
Surely the Zvrev/Starace match can't count. Zverev retired at 1 set all.

Changing rules on the fly again? What is wrong with you people.

Whoever picked Starace should get 2 points.

I picked Zverev BTW.

FlamEnemY
05-25-2009, 06:30 AM
Late again... I missed more than half of the matches -.-
I'll post scores for the rest.



4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA) - Roddick in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA) - Chardy in 3
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25] - Andreev in 3
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE) - Hernandez in 3
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) - Belucci in 4
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG) Melzer in 3

Tennis_Maestro
05-25-2009, 07:11 AM
I don't see your point though? Everyone has the same chance to get those 1st round points and there is actually going to be like 7-10 points on offer for the final round so why does someone who is like 20 points behind and gets one pick right deserve to be ahead of someone who has got far more picks right and just made one error?

Basically you are saying people who have good knowledge of early round games don't deserve their lead they get going into the latter rounds. 10 points is the absolute max that can be offered for one match including game bonuses...

This has been my point all along, however, if there are a majority in people that want to increase points as the rounds progress, i'm content with going along with that, but making it as gradual an increase as possible.

MizunoMX20
05-25-2009, 09:29 AM
Phau has been replaced by Alves, so I guess the Alves vs. Chardy match should be discarded?

So what's the final verdict on the rules of the competition? I think that when today's matches are over, we will get a better picture of how big the differences in points will be. My opinion remains the same, it would be a real shame if someone is leading the competition by 16 points come the semi's, which would mean there's nothing left to play for.

CocaCola
05-25-2009, 09:39 AM
BTW, I vote for option 1 and 2...

jamesblakefan#1
05-25-2009, 11:07 AM
Phau has been replaced by Alves, so I guess the Alves vs. Chardy match should be discarded?

So what's the final verdict on the rules of the competition? I think that when today's matches are over, we will get a better picture of how big the differences in points will be. My opinion remains the same, it would be a real shame if someone is leading the competition by 16 points come the semi's, which would mean there's nothing left to play for.

It wouldn't be a shame, since a majority of the matches are played before the semis. If someone gets a big lead, it means they earned it. The poit value in later rounds should go up, but not enough to where someone can go from say tenth to first by picking one match correctly.

jamesblakefan#1
05-25-2009, 11:27 AM
Nikolay Davydenko (10), Russia, def. Stefan Koubek, Austria, 6-2, 6-1, 6-4 3 sets
Mikhail Youzhny, Russia, def. Gilles Muller, Luxembourg, 7-6 (2), 6-1, 6-4. 3 sets
Stanislas Wawrinka (17), Switzerland, def. Nicolas Devilder, France, 6-3, 5-7, 2-6, 6-4, 6-4.5 sets
Potito Starace, Italy, def. Mischa Zverev, Germany, 6-7 (5), 7-5, 1-0, retired.
Robin Soderling (23), Sweden, def. Kevin Kim, United States, 7-6 (4), 7-6 (4), 6-2. 3 sets
Nicolas Massu, Chile, def. Daniel Koellerer, Austria, 6-3, 6-4, 1-6, 2-6, 6-3. 5 sets
Nicolas Kiefer, Germany, def. Ilia Bozoljac, Serbia, 7-6 (4), 3-6, 7-5, 6-4.4 sets
Denis Istomin, Uzbekistan, def. Santiago Giraldo, Colombia, 6-3, 6-7 (2), 6-3, 7-6 (4).4 sets
Victor Hanescu (30), Romania, def. Steve Darcis, Belgium, 7-6 (8), 7-6 (5), 7-6 (3).3 sets
Rafael Nadal (1), Spain, def. Marcos Daniel, Brazil, 7-5, 6-4, 6-3.3 sets
Fernando Gonzalez (12), Chile, def. Jiri Vanek, Czech Republic, 6-3, 6-2, 6-3.3 sets
Rui Machado, Portugal, def. Kristof Vliegen, Belgium, 6-2, 6-4, 4-6, 2-6, 6-3.5 sets
Roger Federer (2), Switzerland, def. Alberto Martin, Spain, 6-4, 6-3, 6-2.3 sets
Paul-Henri Mathieu (32), France, def. Laurent Recouderc, France, 6-4, 6-4, 6-1.3 sets
Guillaume Rufin, France, def. Eduardo Schwank, Argentina, 6-1, 6-3, 6-3. 3 sets
Janko Tipsarevic, Serbia, def. Albert Montanes, Spain, 3-6, 7-6 (3), 7-6 (5), 6-4.4 sets
Feliciano Lopez (28), Spain, def. Franco Ferreiro, Brazil, 6-7 (3), 4-6, 7-6 (4), 7-5, 6-2.5 sets
Teimuraz Gabashvili, Russia, def. Igor Kunitsyn, Russia, 6-7 (6), 7-6 (5), 6-3, 6-1.4 sets
Pablo Andujar, Spain, def. Robby Ginepri, United States, 6-4, 7-6 (7), 7-6 (3).3 sets
Simone Bolelli, Italy, def. Tomas Berdych (19), Czech Republic, 6-4, 6-4, 5-7, 4-6, 6-3.5 sets
Jose Acasuso, Argentina, def. Santiago Ventura, Spain, 3-6, 7-6 (5), 6-0, 6-3.4 sets
Jurgen Melzer (24), Austria, def. Sergio Roitman, Argentina, 6-4, 7-6 (4), 6-0.3 sets
Andy Roddick (6), United States, def. Romain Jouan, France, 6-2, 6-4, 6-2.3 sets
Jeremy Chardy, France, def. Thiago Alves, Brazil, 6-2, 7-6 (10), 6-3.3 sets
Martin Vassallo Arguello, Argentina, def. Thomaz Bellucci, Brazil, 6-4, 6-7 (4), 5-5, retired.
Diego Junqueira, Argentina, def. Paul Capdeville, Chile, 3-6, 7-5, 6-1, 6-3 4 sets
Ivo Minar (Czech Republic) def. Oscar Hernandez (Spain) 6-3
7-6(4) 6-3 3 sets
Igor Andreev def. Fabio Fognini 1-6,6-3,6-1,3-6,7-5 5 sets

jamesblakefan#1
05-25-2009, 11:38 AM
I made suggestions over a week ago, well before the tournament started, just nobody really responded to it.

No increase in points would make the later rounds meaningless, not the other way round, like I've heard someone say before.

To make my point more clear:

After three rounds there will be 64 + 32 + 16 = 112 matches played.
That's 112 * 5 = 560 points available.

From then on there will be 8 + 4 + 2 + 1 = 15 matches played.
That's 15 * 5 = 75 points available.

It's pretty obvious to me that the difference in points between the participants in the game will be so big that there will be nothing more to play for for a big number of people, which would make the game meaningless from R4 and on. I can tell you right now there will be a lot of people who're not gonna vote anymore, and since we have just 19 participants, this is not something we would want.

If we do the increase in points, it should look something like this:

R4: 8 * 10 = 80
QF: 4 * 10 = 40
SF: 2 * 15 = 30
F: 1 * 20 = 20

80 + 40 + 30 + 20 = 170

170 vs. 560 in my opinion is much better than 75 vs. 560 for R1 + R2 + R3 vs. R4 + QF + SF + F.

I'm ok with this, I'd just say make the QF and SF 10, and F 15. And gj, I'm merely giving suggestions. I have no power in final decisions, just voicing what I feel the scale could be. TBH I could care less at this pt. But it seems as though you have to have it EXACTLY the way you want things to be. And when someone disagrees with you, you attack viciously and unwarranted. So I have a feeling you will never be happy until you get your way and your scale, which is not fair.

At this pt., whatever suggestion is final, I don't care. I just don't want to see someone have the opportunity to go from 15th place to 1st place simply by picking the finals right or going against what the leaders say, just to pick up points. That is my only concern.

If someone earns a lead by picking matches correctly, they shouldn't lose it just b/c someone who didn't do well in early rnd matches doesn't think it's fair. In the end, consistency and good picks will win out. THe game would only be meaningless for those who did terribly on early round matches, which is the way it should be.

MizunoMX20
05-25-2009, 12:21 PM
I'm ok with this, I'd just say make the QF and SF 10, and F 15. And gj, I'm merely giving suggestions. I have no power in final decisions, just voicing what I feel the scale could be. TBH I could care less at this pt. But it seems as though you have to have it EXACTLY the way you want things to be. And when someone disagrees with you, you attack viciously and unwarranted. So I have a feeling you will never be happy until you get your way and your scale, which is not fair.

At this pt., whatever suggestion is final, I don't care. I just don't want to see someone have the opportunity to go from 15th place to 1st place simply by picking the finals right or going against what the leaders say, just to pick up points. That is my only concern.

If someone earns a lead by picking matches correctly, they shouldn't lose it just b/c someone who didn't do well in early rnd matches doesn't think it's fair. In the end, consistency and good picks will win out. THe game would only be meaningless for those who did terribly on early round matches, which is the way it should be.

I'm also merely making suggestions. And I understand your concern aswell. It's just that I can tell you right now I'm absolutely certain that come the final, it will be impossible to jump from 15th place to 1st place, I'm actually quite certain by then it will be impossible to jump from say 4th to 1st.

That's why I say let's try using the point scale - and your scaling is fine with me - and see how it works out. If we don't, then we'll have maximum two people contending for top position from QF onwards, and we risk the chance of number 1 copying number 2's picks again. It's more fun when there's 3, maybe 4 people contending from QF onwards in my opinion.

It's good I think that you motivate your statement, because - like gj said - before there wasn't discussion really, and people just ignored my suggestions aswell as other people's suggestions.

Cheers.

gj011
05-25-2009, 12:29 PM
I'm ok with this, I'd just say make the QF and SF 10, and F 15. And gj, I'm merely giving suggestions. I have no power in final decisions, just voicing what I feel the scale could be. TBH I could care less at this pt. But it seems as though you have to have it EXACTLY the way you want things to be. And when someone disagrees with you, you attack viciously and unwarranted. So I have a feeling you will never be happy until you get your way and your scale, which is not fair.

At this pt., whatever suggestion is final, I don't care. I just don't want to see someone have the opportunity to go from 15th place to 1st place simply by picking the finals right or going against what the leaders say, just to pick up points. That is my only concern.

If someone earns a lead by picking matches correctly, they shouldn't lose it just b/c someone who didn't do well in early rnd matches doesn't think it's fair. In the end, consistency and good picks will win out. THe game would only be meaningless for those who did terribly on early round matches, which is the way it should be.

Again you are not telling the truth. We agreed on a compromise to drop the women picks and about the scale to be used and then you change that and push your nonsense scale again. Not nice. Not at all.

The scale should be as Mizuno proposed:

1, 2, 3, (maybe even 4) rounds, 5 and 2
QF (and possibly 4 th) 10 and 4
SF 15 and 6
F 20 and 8.

I would even add more points for later rounds personally, but this is a good compromise. Anything less than this is useless and meaningless. Especially 7 and 4, 8 and 5 or 9 and 5, because those ratios greatly devalue correct set pick over just a winner pick in rounds where used, and that is simply not right.
Can you understand at least such a basic math?

Love Game
05-25-2009, 12:41 PM
I already answered your question earlier, so yes you did miss it.

All voted suggestions in terms of rules for games, sliding points system and the women's draw will be counted once the 3rd round has started.

Until then can we please all stop the bickering and just enjoy the game.

still don't know what the answer was :(
could you post me a link? :confused:


1. Rafael Nadal (ESP)[1] v. Marcos Daniel (BRA)- Nadal in 3
2. Alberto Martin (ESP) v. Roger Federer (SUI)[2]- Federer in 3
3. Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA)[32] v. Laurent Recouderc (FRA)- Mathieu in 3
4. Andy Roddick (USA)[6] v. Romain Jouan (FRA)- Roddick in 3
5. Nicolas Devilder (FRA) v. Stanislas Wawrinka (SUI)[17]- Wawrinka in 3
6. Bjorn Phau (GER) v. Jeremy Chardy (FRA)- Chardy in 4
7. Nikolay Davydenko (RUS)[10] v. Stefan Koubek (AUT) Davydenko in 3
8. Guillaume Rufin (FRA) v. Eduardo Schwank (ARG)- Schwank in 3
9. Franco Ferreiro (BRA) v. Feliciano Lopez (ESP)[28]- Lopez in 3
10. Fabio Fognini (ITA) v. Igor Andreev (RUS)[25]- Fognini in 5
11. Mischa Zverev (GER) v. Potito Starace (ITA)- Zverev in 4
12. Janko Tipsarevic (SRB) v. Albert Montanes (ESP) - Montanes in 4
13. Rui Machado (POR) v. Kristof Vliegen (BEL)- Vliegen in 3
14. Robin Soderling (SWE)[23] v. Kevin Kim (USA)- Soderling in 3
15. Robby Ginepri (USA) v. Pablo Andujar (ESP)- Ginepri in 4
16. Fernando Gonzalez (CHI)[12] v. Jiri Vanek (CZE)- Gonzozlez in 3
17. Simone Bolelli (ITA) v. Tomas Berdych (CZE)[19]- Berdych in 4
18. Nicolas Massu (CHI) v. Daniel Koellerer (AUT)- Massu in 3
19. Diego Junqueira (ARG) v. Paul Capdeville (CHI)- Junqueira in 5
20. Ilia Bozoljac (SRB) v. Nicolas Kiefer (GER)- Kiefer in 3
21. Oscar Hernandez (ESP) v. Ivo Minar (CZE)- Herandez in 3
22. Denis Istomin (UZB) v. Santiago Giraldo (COL)- Istomin in 5
23. Igor Kunitsyn (RUS) v. Teimuraz Gabashvili (RUS)- Gabashvili in 4
24. Thomaz Bellucci (BRA) v. Martin Vassallo Arguello (ARG) Bellucci in 4
25. Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) v. Gilles Muller (LUX) Youzhny in 3
26. Jose Acasuso (ARG) v. Santiago Ventura (ESP) Acasuso in 3
27. Victor Hanescu (ROU)[30] v. Steve Darcis (BEL) Hanescu in 4
28. Jurgen Melzer (AUT)[24] v. Sergio Roitman (ARG)- Melzer in 3

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Love_Game, I'm not in charge of anything. I just tally up the scores. We get five points for the correct number sets, two for the incorrect as far as i understand it. Same as the Masters.

Let's just have fun everyone... it's just fun trying to predict the matches and it gives me a minor stake in matches I might not have cared about before.

somehow i missed them all, accidentally tuned in to the last game in the andreev/fognini match, when the announcer said something like: Fognini followed up so fast that Andreev didn't even have time to get down on himself! :lol:

sadly, I fell asleep last night, listening to an audio book (one of the earlier ones by dan brown entitled "deception point"), hadn't set my alarm, and ended up missing everything on Monday.

so, please withdraw my name from the roster of participants since i screwed the pooch on this one. also, i'm too confused at this point about the secret ballots and the point system, so i'll sit this one out. after all, by the time i tuned into the andreev match, he had already exchanged his sleeveless for a regular tee, so i'll take that as an unfavorable omen, since this is the first time that's happened to me since igor started going sleeveless in AO 2009!

Best of luck to all!!! http://i35.tinypic.com/zvv1w7.gif

CocaCola
05-25-2009, 02:52 PM
Forgot about Santoro.,....

CocaCola
05-25-2009, 02:54 PM
Is someone calculating the results?

MizunoMX20
05-25-2009, 03:00 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 5
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 4
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 3
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Clement in 4
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Schuettler in 3
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Stachovsky in 5
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 3
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 3
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 3
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 3
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 5
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 4

MizunoMX20
05-25-2009, 03:01 PM
REPOST INCLUDING SANTORO MATCH:

Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 5
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 4
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 3
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Clement in 4
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Schuettler in 3
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Stachovsky in 5
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 3
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 3
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 3
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 3
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 5
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 4
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 5

fedtastic
05-25-2009, 03:20 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 5
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 4
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ferrero in 5
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Tursunov in 5
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Gicquel in 4
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 5
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 4
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 4
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 4
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 4
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 5
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 4
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 5

tudwell
05-25-2009, 03:52 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 4
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 3
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 4
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Tursunov in 4
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Gicquel in 5
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 3
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 4
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 4
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 5
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 4
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 4
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Greul in 5
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 4
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 3

CocaCola
05-25-2009, 04:04 PM
TUESDAY

REPOST

Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 3
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 3
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 4
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Clement in 5
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Schuettler in 5
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 4
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 4
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 4
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Baghdatis in 5
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 4
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 3
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 5
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 3
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 4

Tennis_Maestro
05-25-2009, 04:06 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic 3/0
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga 3/1
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils 3/0
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro 3/0
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake 3/0
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic 3/1
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Clement 3/1
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Schuettler 3/2
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish 3/1
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul 3/0
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev 3/1
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo 3/0
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas 3/0
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber 3/1
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco 3/1
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck 3/1
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki 3/0
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Greul 3/1
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi 3/1
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro 3/1

RoddickAce
05-25-2009, 05:10 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 3
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 3
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 3
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Tursunov in 3
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Schuettler in 5
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 3
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 5
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 3
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 5
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 3
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 3
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Greul in 3
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Garcia-Lopez in 4
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 4

slicekick95
05-25-2009, 05:24 PM
I vote for option 2

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Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 3
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 4
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 4
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 4
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Tursunov in 4
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Gicquel in 5
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 3
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 4
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Mannarino in 5
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Tomic in 5
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 4
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 4
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 5
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 5
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 4
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 4

VivalaVida
05-25-2009, 05:57 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 4
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 3
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 3
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Tursunov in 4
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Schuettler in 4
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 3
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 5
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 3
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 3
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 4
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 3
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Greul in 4
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 4
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 4

icedevil0289
05-25-2009, 06:19 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 4
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 4
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ferrero in 4
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Tursunov in 5
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Gicquel in 4
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 5
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 4
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 4
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 4
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 4
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 4
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 4
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 4

theduh
05-25-2009, 06:38 PM
Reposting!!!

jamesblakefan#1
05-25-2009, 06:42 PM
Again you are not telling the truth. We agreed on a compromise to drop the women picks and about the scale to be used and then you change that and push your nonsense scale again. Not nice. Not at all.

The scale should be as Mizuno proposed:

1, 2, 3, (maybe even 4) rounds, 5 and 2
QF (and possibly 4 th) 10 and 4
SF 15 and 6
F 20 and 8.

I would even add more points for later rounds personally, but this is a good compromise. Anything less than this is useless and meaningless. Especially 7 and 4, 8 and 5 or 9 and 5, because those ratios greatly devalue correct set pick over just a winner pick in rounds where used, and that is simply not right.
Can you understand at least such a basic math?

You are a total...I don't even know what to say. I only gave it as a suggestion, then changed it to 15 in the finals. IMO, giving 20 and 8 in the finals is too big of a gap. IMO, someone shouldn't be able to win the game just by picking the finals correctly. I already said drop womens, so that's out of the discussion. My scale was a suggestion. Look, gj, it's obvious you just like to start fights to boost your self-esteem. For now, I am done with this discussion. Let's just deal w/the picks for now, and let TM decide what to do, since it is he who created the game from the start.

seffina
05-25-2009, 06:51 PM
I'm finally home! It was a fun week away, but it's good to be back as well. I haven't had the chance to watch a single match yet, so hopefully tomorrow is filled with some good ones.

Anyways, I wanted to clarify a few things. The rules for counting matches as we have done in the past are as follows:

1. If there is a walkover, the match is void.
2. If there is a retirement, whoever guessed the correct winner gets two points.
3. If there's a replacement, if you picked the person that was replaced and the replacement wins, you get the points accordingly (depending on the sets). If the opponent wins and you picked them, you get the points accordingly.

The scores below were calculated according to the above rules. If there is a strong desire to change them by many, I shall recalculate them.

______________________________________
WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS...

http://i39.tinypic.com/dg1kdv.jpg

A note on the lowest score: it's always the lowest amount of points scored for someone who predicted all the matches.

Round Up the Usual Suspects:

http://i42.tinypic.com/v4nkug.jpg

jamesblakefan#1
05-25-2009, 06:57 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 5
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 4
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 3
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Clement in 4
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Gicquel in 3
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 3
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 4
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 5
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 3
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 3
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 4
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 5
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 3
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 5

seffina
05-25-2009, 07:45 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Benneteau in 4
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 4
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 4
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 3
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Clement in 4
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Schuettler in 4
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 3
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 5
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 3
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Navarro in 5
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 3
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 3
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 4
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 4

gj011
05-25-2009, 08:18 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Benneteau in 4
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 4
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 5
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 4
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Clement in 3
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Gicquel in 3
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Gonzalez in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 3
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 4
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 3
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Navarro in 5
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 3
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 3
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Rochus in 4
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 3

theduh
05-25-2009, 08:28 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 4
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 3
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 4
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ferrero in 4
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Tursunov in 4
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Schuettler in 4
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 3
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 4
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Korolev in 4
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 4
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 4
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 3
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 4
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 4
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 4

theduh
05-25-2009, 08:29 PM
I'm finally home! It was a fun week away, but it's good to be back as well. I haven't had the chance to watch a single match yet, so hopefully tomorrow is filled with some good ones.

Anyways, I wanted to clarify a few things. The rules for counting matches as we have done in the past are as follows:

1. If there is a walkover, the match is void.
2. If there is a retirement, whoever guessed the correct winner gets two points.
3. If there's a replacement, if you picked the person that was replaced and the replacement wins, you get the points accordingly (depending on the sets). If the opponent wins and you picked them, you get the points accordingly.

The scores below were calculated according to the above rules. If there is a strong desire to change them by many, I shall recalculate them.

______________________________________
WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE PARIS...

http://i39.tinypic.com/dg1kdv.jpg

A note on the lowest score: it's always the lowest amount of points scored for someone who predicted all the matches.

Round Up the Usual Suspects:

http://i42.tinypic.com/v4nkug.jpg

Nice layout Seff!!! Appreciate you having the time to do all of this.

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-25-2009, 08:50 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 4
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 3
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 3
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Blake in 3
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 3
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Tursunov in 5
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Schuettler in 4
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 4
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Gimeno-Traver in 5
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Haas in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 3
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 4
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 3
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 5
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Seppi in 3
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 5

salsainglesa
05-25-2009, 09:34 PM
Nicolas Lapentti (ECU) v. Novak Djokovic (SRB)[4] - Djokovic in 3
Julien Benneteau (FRA) v. Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA)[9] - Tsonga in 4
Bobby Reynolds (USA) v. Gael Monfils (FRA)[11] - Monfils in 3
Juan Martin Del Potro (ARG)[5] v. Michael Llodra (FRA) - Del Potro in 4
James Blake (USA)[15] v. Leonardo Mayer (ARG) - Mayer in 4
Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) v. Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) - Ljubicic in 5
Dmitry Tursunov (RUS)[21] v. Arnaud Clement (FRA) - Tursunov in 3
Marc Gicquel (FRA) v. Rainer Schuettler (GER)[27] - Gicquel in 4
Maximo Gonzalez (ARG) v. Mardy Fish (USA)[22] - Fish in 4
Brian Dabul (ARG) v. Sergiy Stakhovsky (UKR) - Dabul in 4
Evgeny Korolev (RUS) v. Daniel Gimeno-Traver (ESP) - Gimeno-Traver in 4
Tommy Robredo (ESP)[16] v. Adrian Mannarino (FRA) - Robredo in 3
Andrei Pavel (ROU) v. Tommy Haas (GER) - Pavel in 3
Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)[29] v. Bernard Tomic (AUS) - Kohlschreiber in 3
Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) v. Juan Monaco (ARG) - Monaco in 3
Ivan Navarro (ESP) v. Andreas Beck (GER) - Beck in 4
Viktor Troicki (SRB) v. Lukasz Kubot (POL) - Troicki in 4
Victor Crivoi (ROU) v. Simon Greul (GER) - Crivoi in 4
Guillermo Garcia-Lopez (ESP) v. Andreas Seppi (ITA) - Garcia-Lopez in 3
Fabrice Santoro (FRA) v. Christophe Rochus (BEL) - Santoro in 5