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Cesc Fabregas
05-18-2009, 01:56 PM
For me the best running forehand ever is Pete Sampras an incredible shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6JNBs-X_9Q&feature=channel_page

IvanAndreevich
05-18-2009, 02:16 PM
Would you really call that a running forehand? It wasn't so far from him.

timnz
05-18-2009, 02:48 PM
Lendl had more variety on his forehand, inside out, running down the line etc. He hit a running forehand from so far out of the court in Australian one time to Edberg it was astonishing to watch, you couldn't believe that someone could make that shot.

I agree Sampras' was impressive, but if you saw a lot of footage of Lendl doing his, you would change your mind.

His power also was enormous. I remember in 1988 and 1989 playing Agassi he would hit a running forehand to Agassi deep in the court and Agassi was in position for it but it just had so much power Agassi couldn't control it.

BTURNER
05-18-2009, 03:15 PM
I don't know about running forehand, but Lendl's was better stroke. It was powerful enough to hit clean winners on grass, hard courts and indoors. It was steady enough to outrally others on clay too.

Kemitak
05-18-2009, 04:30 PM
I'm always impressed by Fernando Gonzalez' forhand...

35ft6
05-18-2009, 06:35 PM
Nadal has a great running forehand, too. Pete's was sick, though. Nadal is amazing cuz he hits forehands on the run almost as well as if he was set up, but for some reason, Pete hit his running forehand BETTER than if he was just set up. More pace, pin point accuracy, more conviction. Weird.

prattle128
05-18-2009, 07:18 PM
yeah, nadals is fun to watch just because he can whack the ball with so much spin, like vs. verdasco in the AO semis, when he hit a running forehand with incredible amounts of sidespin to get it in, just a great shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdnwqHUlY_k

380pistol
05-18-2009, 09:42 PM
For me the best running forehand ever is Pete Sampras an incredible shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6JNBs-X_9Q&feature=channel_page

You can add these....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB8zBsPHGNA&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMQKjhEpTiA&feature=related&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOjY6KUv_EM @6:54

Nadal and Lendl are #2 and #3, but Sampras has the greatest running forehand ever.

Cesc Fabregas
05-18-2009, 11:07 PM
You can add these....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB8zBsPHGNA&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMQKjhEpTiA&feature=related&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOjY6KUv_EM @6:54

Nadal and Lendl are #2 and #3, but Sampras has the greatest running forehand ever.

Yep first point of this tiebreak a sick running forehand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv2w0RtOgKI

pc1
05-19-2009, 06:36 AM
I'm not picking anyone over the other but here's some names to consider, Nastase, Borg, Lendl, Sampras (loved the way he dared people to hit to the opening on his forehand side), Laver, Nadal, Federer (surprised with all the Federer fans that he hasn't been mentioned much), Mecir.

SAFINATORZ
05-19-2009, 06:42 AM
during his hey days ppl say jimmy connors and JohnnY mac had pretty good running forehands.
IN my opinion Pete sampras had the Best running forehand, esp when played against guys like agassi and courier. He can go from defense to offense in seconds.

pc1
05-19-2009, 06:50 AM
during his hey days ppl say jimmy connors and JohnnY mac had pretty good running forehands.
IN my opinion Pete sampras had the Best running forehand, esp when played against guys like agassi and courier. He can go from defense to offense in seconds.

They both were terrific too and Connors actually had a better running backhand in my opinion.

One guy who I thought had a terrible running forehand for the player of his level was Agassi. Sure it was good but he was much better when he was controlling play with his forehand. It was nearly as good a running forehand as Sampras.

RoddickAce
05-19-2009, 07:09 AM
Nadal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUkHnNTtUFY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLhTjjCIf7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROQKOSqHYPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibxK4dXSzQ0&feature=related

Fed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtxoAIT19_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5V1v_FTkXk

Pete:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_DFjZvwShU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W11gut65AA

All three have amazing running forehands, so this one is a tough one...I'd have to go with Nadal just because of his crazy curving spins, and how he can cover the court so fast to get to practically any wide shot and rip the shot.

Al Czervik
05-19-2009, 07:21 AM
Yeah, the Ape's hook forehand from right to left was sick.

truthorbust
05-19-2009, 07:24 AM
Pete and Becker.. in that order.

mental midget
05-19-2009, 09:20 AM
my guess is lendl probably hit the greatest number of winners off this shot.

pete won more majors, more highlight clips out there, but lendl's running topspin forehand really took it to a whole new level back in the day.

Cenc
05-19-2009, 09:25 AM
is this even a question?
imo sampras' running forehand is one of the best shots ever seen in tennis, by FAR the best running forehand ever

l_gonzalez
05-19-2009, 09:30 AM
the one i hit today... full sprint angled cross-court running forehand and it landed right on the sideline... shame there's no hawk eye at the park courts because i swear i hit it at about 750mph... Just shy of breaking the sound barrier.

kingbishop
05-19-2009, 09:49 AM
LOL are you serious haha the shot that Sampras hit Nadal can do in his sleep.....Nadal by far has the most impressive running forehand hitting shots that Sampras could never hit

380pistol
05-19-2009, 10:21 AM
The order remains.....

1. Sampras
2. Nadal
3. Lendl

Cesc Fabregas
05-19-2009, 10:23 AM
The order remains.....

1. Sampras
2. Nadal
3. Lendl

Not too sure about Nadal his grip makes it hard for him on fast surfaces.

thejackal
05-19-2009, 10:31 AM
from what Ive seen, running forward: federer; running laterally: nadal and sampras

Cenc
05-19-2009, 10:34 AM
LOL are you serious haha the shot that Sampras hit Nadal can do in his sleep.....Nadal by far has the most impressive running forehand hitting shots that Sampras could never hit

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nadal has a great running forehand but he definitely isnt able to completely turn the rally over with just one shot the way sampras was doing for so many years

l_gonzalez
05-19-2009, 10:35 AM
I would say Sampras. He deliberately left space on that side to tempt his opponent... It was almost like he was saying: "Go on, I dare you. I double dare you to hit it to my forehand corner"

Cenc
05-19-2009, 10:36 AM
from what Ive seen, running forward: federer; running laterally: nadal and sampras

FEDERER??? do you know what running forehand is? fed has the best attacking forehand during the rally but definitely not even close to sampras or even nadal when we are talking about the running forehand

matchmaker
05-19-2009, 10:46 AM
Sampras, no doubt. Nadal second.

380pistol
05-19-2009, 10:49 AM
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nadal has a great running forehand but he definitely isnt able to completely turn the rally over with just one shot the way sampras was doing for so many years

I tend to agree. See....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zKCLaPPskI&fmt=18
@ 0:54, 1:35, 2:05-2:15
http://www.fandome.com/video/91753/Pete-On-Point/
@ 0:12, 0:25, 0:36, 0:42

Argento full
05-19-2009, 10:49 AM
Lendl and Borg

Jim Courier fan
05-19-2009, 11:38 AM
courier :) - ;)

LDVTennis
05-19-2009, 05:32 PM
I'll make a pitch for Steffi Graf.

Here are the clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxp1BC-81vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trn0vmk6Cxg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-k4xcEHVM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOu7I2fRdu4 (Must see!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixKbUuRIQJU (See point at 1:01 of clip.)

Unlike Sampras, Steffi could hit her running forehand just as well on clay as on hard courts and grass.

380pistol
05-19-2009, 11:01 PM
I'll make a pitch for Steffi Graf.

Here are the clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxp1BC-81vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Trn0vmk6Cxg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-k4xcEHVM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOu7I2fRdu4 (Must see!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixKbUuRIQJU (See point at 1:01 of clip.)

Unlike Sampras, Steffi could hit her running forehand just as well on clay as on hard courts and grass.

Maybe among women, I'd give it to her, but overall it belongs to Pete. Sampras could hit his running forehand on the moon!!!!!!

The-Champ
05-20-2009, 12:55 PM
Running fh cc - Sampras

Running fh dtl - Nadal

BTURNER
05-20-2009, 01:21 PM
Steffi Graf's forehand is the most dominating single groundstroke in the history of the sport. No question in my mind.

helloworld
05-20-2009, 10:34 PM
Steffi Graf's forehand is the most dominating single groundstroke in the history of the sport. No question in my mind.

Against women you mean...

AndrewD
05-20-2009, 10:45 PM
Nadal and Lendl are #2 and #3, but Sampras has the greatest running forehand ever.

LOL, so says the man with the objective handle LOL.

Plain and simple:
Lendl's running forehand was so much better there's no point in comparing them. Ken Fletcher also had a much better running forehand so did Tom Okker, John Newcombe and a host of other players. Unlike them, Sampras lacked disguise in his shot. It was graceful and it was powerful BUT it wasn't well disguised. Lendl, on the other hand, could hit any type of forehand but not telegraph the shot.

grafselesfan
05-20-2009, 10:48 PM
Against women you mean...

What does it matter. It is a more dominanting a shot against other women than any other women has against other women, or any man has against other men. If a female swimmer or runner won more golds and was more dominant than any other in history you would say they are the most dominant in history man or women. It wouldnt matter that there were hundreds of men who could run or swim faster.

timnz
05-20-2009, 11:06 PM
I have been watching tennis for 35 years and no-one in that time has had a better running forehand than Lendl. Sampras was very good, but it didn't have the reach that Lendl had to the far right of the court.

theagassiman
05-21-2009, 12:52 AM
What about Edberg's?
I remember some commentators saying in the early 90's that it was the best running forehand in the world, better than Lendl's.

Strange, since he his rallying forehand wasn't that great.

35ft6
05-21-2009, 02:19 AM
^ Eastern and continental are actually pretty good for pounding/flicking shots on the run. Even now, if I'm really on the move, I might use an eastern forehand grip, especially if I'm running at a low ball.

380pistol
05-21-2009, 10:00 PM
LOL, so says the man with the objective handle LOL.

Plain and simple:
Lendl's running forehand was so much better there's no point in comparing them. Ken Fletcher also had a much better running forehand so did Tom Okker, John Newcombe and a host of other players. Unlike them, Sampras lacked disguise in his shot. It was graceful and it was powerful BUT it wasn't well disguised. Lendl, on the other hand, could hit any type of forehand but not telegraph the shot.

So Lendl's running forehand was "SO MUCH BETTER" based on disguise, and he "DID NOT TELEGRAPH THE SHOT"... good to know.

Objective, from the same guy who said Sampras was "lucky" ad didn;t face great opposition, and no one who dominates does. So Sampras, Borg, Graf, Ali, Jordan, Russell, Gretzky... they all never faced great competition. Wow.

rod99
05-22-2009, 03:34 AM
What about Edberg's?
I remember some commentators saying in the early 90's that it was the best running forehand in the world, better than Lendl's.

Strange, since he his rallying forehand wasn't that great.

no, not even close

VetoRight
05-24-2009, 04:16 PM
Thomas Muster has great running forehand too.
See this video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTs_rLSJe8Q

mental midget
05-24-2009, 04:47 PM
huge edberg fan, literally, i'm 7 feet tall, but it would be the definition of FANatic to include him in this conversation.

i think lendl is the answer to this question, as much respect as i have for sampras.

35ft6
05-25-2009, 01:49 AM
Steffi Graf's forehand is the most dominating single groundstroke in the history of the sport. No question in my mind. I agree. Her slice backhand was good, but it's amazing that somebody, man or woman, could win that many grand slams by hitting mostly slice backhands when they weren't a serve and volleyer, that's how good her forehand and footwork were.

380pistol
05-25-2009, 09:36 AM
I agree. Her slice backhand was good, but it's amazing that somebody, man or woman, could win that many grand slams by hitting mostly slice backhands when they weren't a serve and volleyer, that's how good her forehand and footwork were.

Steffi's slice was a problem. Many people assume it was a defensive shot. It stayed very low and skidded, and she could also use it to attack. but her foreand was a beast. Best among women.... period. Best running forehand among women.... who but Graf? The didn't call her Fraulein Forehand for nothing.

Running forehand for men..... thy name is Pistol.

Frank Silbermann
05-26-2009, 03:55 AM
Best running forehand ever was Fred Perry. When he was the #1 people often said that it was riskier to make him hit on-the-run than to hit the ball down the middle to him. His extreme continental grip gave him amazing leverage on the racket when all stretched out, and as a rising ball expert he tended to play close in. Put the two together and he could hit amazing angles when stretched out wide.

jimbo333
05-26-2009, 07:07 AM
I'm always impressed by Fernando Gonzalez' forhand...

I agree, he has the best running forehand, standing forehand and probably sitting forehand:)

drakulie
05-26-2009, 07:14 AM
Most popular>>> Sampras.

Best>>>> Federer.

drakulie
05-26-2009, 07:14 AM
Most popular>>> Sampras.

Best>>>> Federer.

Cesc Fabregas
05-26-2009, 07:25 AM
Most popular>>> Sampras.

Best>>>> Federer.

Rally forehand yes Federer has the better forehand but running forehand Sampras and its not even close.

380pistol
05-26-2009, 09:40 AM
Rally forehand yes Federer has the better forehand but running forehand Sampras and its not even close.

I tend to agree. I inclinded to give the overall forehand edge to Federer. But running forehand it's not even close.... Pistol all day.

The-Champ
05-26-2009, 04:13 PM
I tend to agree. I inclinded to give the overall forehand edge to Federer. But running forehand it's not even close.... Pistol all day.


Running forehand cross court goes to Pete. Running forehand DTL definitely goes to Nadal...wouldn't you agree?

Rez_PS2
06-03-2009, 06:36 PM
Pete's was a great shot but I think it's overrated by some....It had some limitations. He hit some screamers with it and could turn the point around in one hit, but people seem to forget how many he missed. Against Agassi, for example, He probably hit 1 good/great (which everyone remembers from the highlight reel) one then followed it up with about 4 or 5 that were either way long or into the bottom of the net (which people selectively forget). I was and still am a massive Sampras fan and it was frustrating as hell to see how many unforced errors he made off that side. He did use it well though...He wasn't as good as traditional baseliners from the back of the court so he figured his best chance to win the point was to go for the outright win rather than continuing with the rally. Federer on the other hand, can't really end the point outright with it but he uses it to get back into the point and neutralise an opponents agressive play. He gets a tonne of them back into a neutral position with plenty of spin and misses a lot less than Pete does. His limitation is that he tends to make a lot of errors on it when he goes for it too much (when he gets desperate)...can't flatten it out and hit it as hard as Sampras.

okdude1992
06-03-2009, 06:58 PM
Running forehand cross court goes to Pete. Running forehand DTL definitely goes to Nadal...wouldn't you agree?

agreed. nadal gets so much ridiculous spin while the power sampras generated was incredible. but apparently i need to find some lendl clips due to the high marks he is receiving in this area

GPG
06-03-2009, 07:05 PM
Gonzo, Roger and then Nadal. They do the best forehands while running

380pistol
06-03-2009, 10:29 PM
Running forehand cross court goes to Pete. Running forehand DTL definitely goes to Nadal...wouldn't you agree?

Nah. Don't get me wrong Nadal has an excellent running forehand, but Pete with his long arms along with his eastern grip were more conducive for hitting running forehands. Also Sampras' penchant for hitting a flatter ball helps. I've seen Sampras go down the line too many times to outright give it to Rafa, though like I said Nadal has a fine one himself.

NLBwell
06-07-2009, 05:55 PM
Newcombe's buggywhip forehand - would hit it around the player at net and curve it in the court. Mostly because he did it with a wood racket (or aluminum) and gut strings - no big head and luxilon.

julesb
06-09-2009, 03:01 PM
Clearly Monica Seles.

380pistol
06-09-2009, 10:45 PM
Clearly Monica Seles.

I guess you misunderstood the question. He said running forehand!!!!

Dark Victory
06-09-2009, 11:19 PM
Nah. Don't get me wrong Nadal has an excellent running forehand, but Pete with his long arms along with his eastern grip were more conducive for hitting running forehands. Also Sampras' penchant for hitting a flatter ball helps. I've seen Sampras go down the line too many times to outright give it to Rafa, though like I said Nadal has a fine one himself.
Keen observation. I think it has to do with the lateral weight transfer, angle and torque that an eastern grip can give to a forehand on the run. Federer has to square up a bit to hit his running forehand with the semi-western. He often manages to do so because his footwork and anticipation is so great. But on the occasions when he can't get into just the right position, he stutter steps and the shot looks awkward.

volleynets
06-10-2009, 01:44 AM
I am surprised at the few times Nadal has been picked. I think Nadal has to have the best running forehand. He hits passing winners off of it almost every time when the opponent is at the net.

Ledigs
10-21-2009, 08:43 PM
Steffi Sampras and nadal in that order. Doesn't matter if she's a man or woman, what matters is what you do against your competition. She can't help she's not 6'3" 200 lbs. The sexism on here is irritating to say the least. If I hear "for a woman" one more time...

jrepac
10-22-2009, 07:05 AM
Lendl
Sampras
Nadal

Honorary mention to Newk...


Sampras hit some great forehands I agree, but Ivan was a master at this shot...how he generated that pace and spin on the run was simply amazing...

Datacipher
10-22-2009, 04:17 PM
The order remains.....

1. Sampras
2. Nadal
3. Lendl

I'd go along with this, but it's very very close. I MIGHT Lendl over Nadal in terms of the actual shot, Lendl could blast it through better...but Nadal is faster at actually getting to the ball.

Datacipher
10-22-2009, 04:24 PM
So Lendl's running forehand was "SO MUCH BETTER" based on disguise, and he "DID NOT TELEGRAPH THE SHOT"... good to know.
.

Yes, that was just a SILLY assertion. Sampras DID NOT hit winner after winner, year after year, on the running forehand with it being readable.

In fact, tour players, are so fast, and have such good anticipation, that no matter how hard you hit a shot on the run, if it's readable, you're going to be in trouble 8 of 10 times. If it's readable, they'll cover it most of the time, and all they have to do is redirect it into your wide open court to put you in a world of hurt, and that's something every one of them can do if they can just get to it. What made Sampras' forehand great (and the others mentioned here), was his ability to whip the racquet up at the last second and drive it down the line OR deep crosscourt or even buggy whip a short angle, without the opponent getting a good read on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMQKjhEpTiA&feature=related

Yes, so readable. Too bad he was only playing schmucks who for SOME reason couldn't read it.

timnz
10-22-2009, 08:40 PM
In the late 80's Ivan Lendl was playing Edberg at the Sydney Indoor tournament. In those days that was a big tournament. I saw this on TV, but what I recall is that Edberg hit an extremely wide shot to Ivan's Forehand side. There was no way in heaven and earth that he was even going to reach the ball -but he did reach it, he was nearly in the crowd by the time he hit it and hit it he did for a winner. The acceleration, control and power he showed was extraordinary. It was such a spectacular shot it was shown on regular TV replays I recall.

I watched Sampras many times, and yes his running forehand was impressive, but I just don't think he had the reach that Ivan did.

Lendl had extraordinary power off it as well. The ball would come back to opponents who were sometimes waiting for it but couldn't control it because of the depth and power.

Datacipher
10-23-2009, 12:52 AM
Steffi Sampras and nadal in that order. Doesn't matter if she's a man or woman, what matters is what you do against your competition. She can't help she's not 6'3" 200 lbs. The sexism on here is irritating to say the least. If I hear "for a woman" one more time...

Actually it's your sexism that is disgusting. Showing favoritism simply because she is a woman is sickening and condesending. An insult to both her and her competition. Yes, she "can't help" it that's she a woman. No, she doesn't need you to pretend he forehand is on par with the men. Those who say "for a woman" are simply acknowledging a truthful fact that allows them to give her credit, nor false credit. Grow up and drop the sexism.

lawrence
10-23-2009, 01:12 AM
from what Ive seen, running forward: federer; running laterally: nadal and sampras

Running fh cc - Sampras

Running fh dtl - Nadal

agree with these

dannykl
10-23-2009, 03:42 AM
Steffi Sampras and nadal in that order. Doesn't matter if she's a man or woman, what matters is what you do against your competition. She can't help she's not 6'3" 200 lbs. The sexism on here is irritating to say the least. If I hear "for a woman" one more time...

You go too far by accusing people of sexism just because they only want to acknowledge Steffi has the best running forehand in women's game instead of asserting hers is the best overall in tennis history.

You can argue Graf has the best overall but you have to listen to and understand the arguments who favour Pete or Ivan Lendl or Nadal as the best as well.

To me both positions are defensible depending on different perspectives.
From the viewpoint of the degree of dominance and the damage it caused to opponents, Steffi's running forehand is probably the best in tennis history.
Her opponents are probably more vulnarable to her running forehand than Pete or Ivan's opponent are to their running forehand.

Sampras' and Lendl's running forehand, however, seem more powerful than Steffi's, and Lendl's running forehand is as consistent as Steffi's,so it is also legitimate to claim powerwise Pete or Lendl has better running forehand than Graf.

Personnally I think Steffi's running forehand is as good as Pete's. Her excellent footwork and court speed allow her to execute this shot with power, accuracy and consistency, which is an amazing combination. However I definitely can see the point those people who argue for Lendl or Sampras as the best ever. I think it is insane to call them sexism.

Acctually I think you yourself make you look more like a sexist, a sexist agaisnt man who does not allow people contend that some male players have better running forehand than Graf.

BounceHitBounceHit
10-23-2009, 05:13 AM
Federer, Sampras, Lendl, Graf..........yep. BHBH :) (oh, and Agassi's didn't stink either)

Ledigs
10-23-2009, 01:33 PM
You can argue Graf has the best overall but you have to listen to and understand the arguments who favour Pete or Ivan Lendl or Nadal as the best as well.

Personnally I think Steffi's running forehand is as good as Pete's. Her excellent footwork and court speed allow her to execute this shot with power, accuracy and consistency, which is an amazing combination. However I definitely can see the point those people who argue for Lendl or Sampras as the best ever. I think it is insane to call them sexism.

Acctually I think you yourself make you look more like a sexist, a sexist agaisnt man who does not allow people contend that some male players have better running forehand than Graf.

I do understand the arguments for each player's forehand. They are all well thought out. I'm not speaking out against THOSE arguments.

I did not choose Steffi just because she is a woman. I am talking objectively about her forehand vs. Sampras and the others you mentioned. IN MY OPINION, it was the most dominant vs. her competition.

When I said certain speech in here was sexist, I was talking about people who say that her forehand is good "for a woman". That term is sexist. When people contend that Sampras has a better running forehand, they have excellent reasoning and it could be true. When SOME dismiss Steffi from the entire thread because she is a woman and her forehand wouldn't be as effective against a man, that is what I'm calling sexist. All that matters is how she uses it against competition of her own sex. Same with Sampras, same with Lendl. Same with Nadal.

Ledigs
10-23-2009, 01:34 PM
Also I'm not saying everyone who chooses a man is sexist. That's preposterous. I'm saying that everyone who dismisses Steffi entirely or says that her forehand is only good "for a woman" is sexist.

Winners or Errors
10-23-2009, 03:01 PM
Also I'm not saying everyone who chooses a man is sexist. That's preposterous. I'm saying that everyone who dismisses Steffi entirely or says that her forehand is only good "for a woman" is sexist.

I'm not following. Why is it sexist to say that Steffi's forehand wouldn't hold a candle to the top 100 men's forehands in the same period? It's probably true. Against your competition is fine, but let's be realistic.

Since Steffi would not even have been competitive against the top 100 men of her own era, how is it sexist to leave her forehand off the list?

Maybe I'm just dense, but for the same reason Steffi can't play in the GOAT discussion I think she's out of this one.

Datacipher
10-23-2009, 07:51 PM
Also I'm not saying everyone who chooses a man is sexist. That's preposterous. I'm saying that everyone who dismisses Steffi entirely or says that her forehand is only good "for a woman" is sexist.

Thanks for spelling out your ugly sexism once again. I suppose everyone who doesn't think Mal Washington was the greatest player of all time is a racist. And you ACCUSE others of racism? UGLY.

Datacipher
10-23-2009, 07:55 PM
I'm not following. Why is it sexist to say that Steffi's forehand wouldn't hold a candle to the top 100 men's forehands in the same period? It's probably true. Against your competition is fine, but let's be realistic.
.

It's preposterous of course. My running forehand is one of my best shots. One could argue that against MY competition, it's arguably more effective than any pro's! But of course that's asinine.

And to the accuse anyone who would not subscribe to such a ridiculous methodolgy of measuring the "best" forehand of sexism? That's just ugly reverse sexism.


PS There's also no point in even trying to imagine Sampras's running forehand against Seles! LOL.

BTURNER
10-23-2009, 11:08 PM
Sidestepping the sexism arguments, Steffi's forehand ( note I do not modify with 'running' ) may be the single most dominant weapon I have seen in the tennis sport, her entire game was built around using it as exclusively as possible. Almost every victory against any type of player, on any surface, she can credit her forehand for. Her speed allowed it , sometimes her serve set it up, and her backhand was a fortress but over and over again, even when players attacked her backhand wing, the forehand ended up forcing errors or claiming outright winners. Lendl's forehand is the best among the guys. The running part just confuses this up IMO