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atatu
05-19-2009, 06:44 PM
I have to admit I've never heard of this kid until the week, but he was nails for USC all week and he crushed Buchanan in the team finals today, what do you guys know about him ?

tennislife22
05-19-2009, 07:30 PM
I have to admit I've never heard of this kid until the week, but he was nails for USC all week and he crushed Buchanan in the team finals today, what do you guys know about him ?

He's a good player. I played him last year and lost in three sets. Huge forehand and really quick. Im impressed he beat buchanon, he must have really improved this year at usc

TennisTaxi
05-19-2009, 08:37 PM
Daniel is a great kid, he is from So Cal and has been a top player since he was lin the 10's! He did a great job for USC today. :):)

iamgoat
05-19-2009, 10:54 PM
Why so many Nguyens!?!?!?!??!??

Jessica
05-19-2009, 11:42 PM
Why so many Nguyens!?!?!?!??!??

I've noticed that too lol

Bud
05-20-2009, 01:23 AM
Why so many Nguyens!?!?!?!??!??

I've noticed that too lol

I think Nguyen is the Vietnamese equivalent to 'Smith' or 'White'... just a very common name.

scraps234
05-20-2009, 06:49 AM
yeah it is^^^ is it pronounce weun

TennisTaxi
05-20-2009, 11:32 AM
yeah it is^^^ is it pronounce weun

It is usually pronounced WIN but I laugh when someone at a tournament desk will call the name out for matches as NUGEN or GEAN:-?

GRANITECHIEF
05-20-2009, 03:01 PM
Did he go to Santa Barbara high school last year?

atatu
05-20-2009, 03:18 PM
Yes, he did. According to Tennisrecruiting.net he was a 5 star, but not a blue chip recruit who was ranked about 20th nationally.

MIGHTY MANFRED THE WONDER
05-20-2009, 03:18 PM
Yeah, yeah I played him, too....pinned him down to some close tie breakers before I realized it wouldn't look good on his record, so I let him off the court with a stern warning about his footwork, and gave him some quick serve tips which he gratefully incorporated just before the NCAAs.....
:)

GRANITECHIEF
05-20-2009, 03:36 PM
OK, i remember watching him play and get beat in the finals of a local open tournamant. I was impressed by how solid he was. I watched the televised part of NCAA and he was rockin.

Sephiroth619
05-20-2009, 03:48 PM
It is usually pronounced WIN but I laugh when someone at a tournament desk will call the name out for matches as NUGEN or GEAN:-?

It's actually pronounced Ngwien with an upward inflection.

WIN is for pronouncing Huynh.

TennisTaxi
05-20-2009, 04:01 PM
It's actually pronounced Ngwien with an upward inflection.

WIN is for pronouncing Huynh.

I'm not Vietnamese, I am sure you know better than I...but I was close :)

Sephiroth619
05-20-2009, 05:46 PM
but I was close :)

Indeed you were.



By the way, does anyone know how tall this Dan Nguyen is? I searched for him on youtube and saw some clips. I'm just curious as to how tall he is.

TennisTaxi
05-20-2009, 06:36 PM
No more than 5'11"

Indeed you were.



By the way, does anyone know how tall this Dan Nguyen is? I searched for him on youtube and saw some clips. I'm just curious as to how tall he is.

BradBaughman
05-20-2009, 08:30 PM
i think his win was more about styles then anything , i think he's one of those guys who will just because he will have Bucan's no.,

but he is very fast

atatu
05-21-2009, 08:03 AM
i think his win was more about styles then anything , i think he's one of those guys who will just because he will have Bucan's no.,

but he is very fast

Well he also beat Mueller from Stanford, and was about to beat Reyes Varela from Texas...

ClarkC
05-21-2009, 08:48 AM
Yes, he did. According to Tennisrecruiting.net he was a 5 star, but not a blue chip recruit who was ranked about 20th nationally.

Of course, that means he finished his senior year in blue chip territory (top 25), but the last update to the star rankings is on about October 1. Still, he was not very high in that blue chip territory. Not at the elite level of someone like Chase Buchanan, who was #1 a year later, yet Nguyen beat him.

BradBaughman
05-21-2009, 03:20 PM
Well he also beat Mueller from Stanford, and was about to beat Reyes Varela from Texas...

His coach wanted us to get together and hit , heck i guess with all this recent success he's having i think ill give him a call and say sorry for not taking him up on it lol,,

But his results are looking great he's under the radar so im sure he's surprising everyone , good job to him i hope it continues!!

T10s747
05-21-2009, 06:09 PM
Of course, that means he finished his senior year in blue chip territory (top 25), but the last update to the star rankings is on about October 1. Still, he was not very high in that blue chip territory. Not at the elite level of someone like Chase Buchanan, who was #1 a year later, yet Nguyen beat him.

That's why tennisrecruiting.net is not the end all. They don't even adjust for age so it's flawed. Dan is solid, quick as a bunny and only 5'7"-8"

flat
05-21-2009, 11:55 PM
i think his win was more about styles then anything , i think he's one of those guys who will just because he will have Bucan's no.,

but he is very fast

Just saw pieces of the USC vs OSU on ESPN2. I've never seen any of these guys play, and only saw a few games here & there (ESPN2 didn't show the whole match)...so FWIW....

Buchanan looked very tight to me at the end of the doubles, where they lost a very close one to USC (Kecki & someone who was better than Kecki...). He didn't volley on two of the shots on match point where he should have, and imho did not step forward on the final passing shot and thus the ball got passed him.

They didn't show the beginning of the Nguyen vs. Buchanan match, but only the final game. Buchanan's balls were flying, had 3 or 4 easy unforced errors. So my guess is Buchanan got tight after the doubles and the nerves stayed with him thru the singles....

ClarkC
05-22-2009, 11:56 AM
That's why tennisrecruiting.net is not the end all. They don't even adjust for age so it's flawed. Dan is solid, quick as a bunny and only 5'7"-8"

Actually, it means you need to know how to use the site.

Maybe everyone raving about Daniel Nguyen based on a single match against Chase Buchanan should examine a wider base of results for him. He was not in the top 6 for USC for a good bit of the year. Jason McNaughton went into a little bit of a slump at #6, so Daniel got in. Earlier in the year he mostly did not play except when someone was hurt, as when Robert Farah was hurt for a while and everyone moved up.

How did Daniel Nguyen do against Lee Singer of Virginia? Singer was only #7 and made the lineup when injuries and slump affected Steven Rooda.

One match against Buchanan and everyone goes nuts. Obviously, Buchanan did not play well recently for OSU.

BradBaughman
05-22-2009, 06:07 PM
Daniel Nyugen is gonna be top 100 atp in the next 3yrs its settled

atatu
05-24-2009, 12:00 AM
Actually, it means you need to know how to use the site.

Maybe everyone raving about Daniel Nguyen based on a single match against Chase Buchanan should examine a wider base of results for him. He was not in the top 6 for USC for a good bit of the year. Jason McNaughton went into a little bit of a slump at #6, so Daniel got in. Earlier in the year he mostly did not play except when someone was hurt, as when Robert Farah was hurt for a while and everyone moved up.

How did Daniel Nguyen do against Lee Singer of Virginia? Singer was only #7 and made the lineup when injuries and slump affected Steven Rooda.

One match against Buchanan and everyone goes nuts. Obviously, Buchanan did not play well recently for OSU.

I'm not sure anyone is "going nuts" or "raving" about him, the reason I started the thread is because I had never heard of him and was curious to see if anyone knew much about him. At any rate, he did come through for SC at the NCAA's...

T10s747
05-25-2009, 10:30 PM
Actually, it means you need to know how to use the site.

Dude, I know how to use the site. It's still flawed because it doesn't adjust for age. If you are 18 and beat 14 year old blue chips playing up, you will be handsomely rewarded. Which should not be the case. If you are a 14 year old blue chip and lose to 3-4 star 18s, it will hurt your ranking.

tennislife22
05-25-2009, 10:49 PM
Dude, I know how to use the site. It's still flawed because it doesn't adjust for age. If you are 18 and beat 14 year old blue chips playing up, you will be handsomely rewarded. Which should not be the case. If you are a 14 year old blue chip and lose to 3-4 star 18s, it will hurt your ranking.

That's just not true... I am sure someone with more time can explain this, but a win over a blue chip who is fourteen is not necessarily better for your ranking than a 4 star who is 18. They use head to head rankings between classes as well, so your rewarded based on how good your opponent is, not by their age.

T10s747
05-26-2009, 07:01 AM
That's just not true... I am sure someone with more time can explain this, but a win over a blue chip who is fourteen is not necessarily better for your ranking than a 4 star who is 18. They use head to head rankings between classes as well, so your rewarded based on how good your opponent is, not by their age.

You are wrong. You contradicted yourself in the last sentence, "not by age," it's head to head based on stars without regard to age.

dallasoliver
05-26-2009, 01:32 PM
If you are 18 and beat 14 year old blue chips playing up, you will be handsomely rewarded. Which should not be the case. If you are a 14 year old blue chip and lose to 3-4 star 18s, it will hurt your ranking.

The College Recruiting Lists (the primary ranking at TennisRecruiting.net) does NOT take Stars into account. The College Recruiting Lists ONLY use match results as input. There is no direct use of Stars, age, etc.

I believe our ranking system to be unique in that it uses ALL results to come up with one single national ranking. Once we have computed the ranking, we then filter the list by graduation year... and then additional filters are applied to yield region, and state rankings.

Specifically, when Player A beats Player B, Player A will get credit for beating Player B. Beating a 14-year-old Blue Chip does not necessarily earn the same amount of credit as beating an 18-year-old Blue Chip - our system will rank both of those players and award credit accordingly.

Two notes...

(1) People ask us about differences between the strengths of various classes, and there are indeed some "stronger" classes and some "weaker" classes. Coaches are able to mingle classes together in a single ranking, and many of them have commented on the strength of particular classes.

(2) The RPI algorithm does have some of the problems to which you allude. But we consider the TennisRPI to be a secondary ranking.

I hope this helps. Happy to field questions.

Best,
Dallas

T10s747
05-26-2009, 02:42 PM
Beating a 14-year-old Blue Chip does not necessarily earn the same amount of credit as beating an 18-year-old Blue Chip - our system will rank both of those players and award credit accordingly.


Dallas - question: "not necessarily" but that can happen, right? If a 50th ranked 18 year old beats a #1 ranked 14 year old will this match earn more points than beating a 25th ranked blue chip 18 year old? Your system makes no adjustment for age year, does it?

dallasoliver
05-26-2009, 03:59 PM
Dallas - question: "not necessarily" but that can happen, right? If a 50th ranked 18 year old beats a #1 ranked 14 year old will this match earn more points than beating a 25th ranked blue chip 18 year old? Your system makes no adjustment for age year, does it?

Our system has relative rankings for both the #1 14-year-old and the #25 18-year-old. Usually, the #25 18-year-old will have a higher rank value, and so beating the 18-year-old will earn more credit.

While our system "does not take age into account", that doesn't mean that we treat, say, all Blue Chips the same. We lump ALL the kids in one big group and rank them, independent of age. The 18-year-olds tend to be better than the 17-year-olds, who tend to be better than the 16-year-olds, and so on...

Makes sense?

Best,
Dallas

flat
05-26-2009, 04:13 PM
Our system has relative rankings for both the #1 14-year-old and the #25 18-year-old. Usually, the #25 18-year-old will have a higher rank value, and so beating the 18-year-old will earn more credit.

While our system "does not take age into account", that doesn't mean that we treat, say, all Blue Chips the same. We lump ALL the kids in one big group and rank them, independent of age. The 18-year-olds tend to be better than the 17-year-olds, who tend to be better than the 16-year-olds, and so on...

Makes sense?



Makes sense to me. Seems easy enough to publish the full, unfiltered single ranking list on your site somewhere? You probably don't need to make it prominent or easy to find, but for those willing to dig a little deeper, it'd be interesting stuff.

btw, I'm a happy, paying user of your site so far. Your willingness to answer questions on this board makes it even better.

kctennis1005
05-26-2009, 07:19 PM
Makes sense to me. Seems easy enough to publish the full, unfiltered single ranking list on your site somewhere? You probably don't need to make it prominent or easy to find, but for those willing to dig a little deeper, it'd be interesting stuff.

btw, I'm a happy, paying user of your site so far. Your willingness to answer questions on this board makes it even better.

the full ranking list is pretty close to the one found on tennisinformation.com

ClarkC
05-27-2009, 03:18 PM
the full ranking list is pretty close to the one found on tennisinformation.com

I don't see a mingled list there. They have a Boys' 18 list, a Boys' 16 list, etc.

flat
06-02-2009, 10:18 AM
I don't see a mingled list there. They have a Boys' 18 list, a Boys' 16 list, etc.

I don't see it either.

Sorry, this is off topic from the original thread...and I'm hoping Dallas is still hanging around.

Based on the full list (purely based on head2head, and no age filter), you should be able to calculate on a weekly basis what the "prediction accuracy" is based on your list? Filter out the statistical outliers (people that's played N or less matches in the last 6 months, etc)...it feels like your list should give pretty accurate predication?

You can then publish like TennisRecruting net's Easter Bowl picks, or Orange Bowl picks...

Just a thought....

35ft6
06-02-2009, 01:01 PM
He looked good in his match against Ohio State. I was surprised to see in Buchanan's bio, he was a stud in the juniors:advanced to the quarterfinals of the juniors tournament of the 2008 U.S. Open in New York ... crowned the 2008 Easter Bowl Champion in Palm Desert, Calif. ... early in his junior career, became the youngest winner ever at the Vero Beach Futures Event when he won at the age of 16 ... competing in the Les Petit – the premier world championship for competitors 14 and under – won the coveted title at 13 years old Kind of scary how deep college tennis is that this dude is playing 6 singles.

Nguyen looked like a baby Somdev. Good game for college. And that's awesome. No reason why he has to be a future top 50 ATP player at all.

tennislife22
06-02-2009, 02:35 PM
You are wrong. You contradicted yourself in the last sentence, "not by age," it's head to head based on stars without regard to age.

obviously i wasn't wrong since dallas confirmed what I said a post later...

dallasoliver
06-02-2009, 06:52 PM
Seems easy enough to publish the full, unfiltered single ranking list on your site somewhere? You probably don't need to make it prominent or easy to find, but for those willing to dig a little deeper, it'd be interesting stuff.

Flat -

Sorry I have not responded sooner on this.

Currently, this is a feature that only college coaches can access. We try to hold back some information for coaches so that they purchase our premium Coaching Advantage service. So right now, we have no plans to make this data generally available.

Sorry for that.

Best,
Dallas

dallasoliver
06-02-2009, 07:06 PM
Based on the full list (purely based on head2head, and no age filter), you should be able to calculate on a weekly basis what the "prediction accuracy" is based on your list? Filter out the statistical outliers (people that's played N or less matches in the last 6 months, etc)...it feels like your list should give pretty accurate predication?

You can then publish like TennisRecruting net's Easter Bowl picks, or Orange Bowl picks...

Hi Flat -

Good insight, and we have had discussions along these lines. There are ranking systems that do what you are talking about - where the system assigns each player a rank value and then ratios of these rank values can be used to predict the likelihood of a winner.

Two issues...

(1) The values assigned by our system are not meaningful statistics in and of themselves. If we published the values, people would not be able to intuitively understand what they mean. And the ratios are not necessarily meaningful.

(2) Publishing "odds" like you mention seems to be very close to gambling. Not that gambling on junior tennis is done anywhere (at least, nowhere that we know about!), but that is a line we don't want to go anywhere near.

I hope this helps.

Best,
Dallas

flat
06-02-2009, 09:35 PM
Thanks Dallas. I can understand and accept both of your replies. Makes sense.

skraggle
06-04-2009, 09:44 AM
I saw a kid named Denis Nguyen play in Arcadia last year, and he tore apart his open opponent with ease. Probably the best non-pro player I've seen in person.

subaru3169
06-04-2009, 03:08 PM
I saw a kid named Denis Nguyen play in Arcadia last year, and he tore apart his open opponent with ease. Probably the best non-pro player I've seen in person.

where in arcadia, the santa anita courts??

skraggle
06-04-2009, 03:48 PM
where in arcadia, the santa anita courts??

Yeah, Rusty Miller courts near the golf course.

subaru3169
06-04-2009, 03:53 PM
Yeah, Rusty Miller courts near the golf course.

oh nice.. i used to train there as a junior

nowadays, i recently started playing there sat nights.. always packed=/