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Bundey
05-19-2009, 05:53 PM
I personally think that Federer has a better chance to take RG than Nadal does at flushing. There are about eight guys who have a legitimate chance to beat Nadal on fast hardcourts, and only two, Nadal and Djoker who can beat Federer on clay, but Djoker is doubtful in a 5 setter.

Serendipitous
05-19-2009, 05:56 PM
I'll take option number 2, thank you.

If Federer doesn't win Roland Garros this year, he will never win it.


Nice thread.

jamesblakefan#1
05-19-2009, 06:05 PM
I personally think that Federer has a better chance to take RG than Nadal does at flushing. There are about eight guys who have a legitimate chance to beat Nadal on fast hardcourts, and only two, Nadal and Djoker who can beat Federer on clay, but Djoker is doubtful in a 5 setter.

Who'd you say would have a chance vs. Rafa at USO? I'd say:
Fed
Djokovic
Murray
Roddick
Verdasco
Tsonga
Nalbandian (if healthy)
Blake

And that's just including guys in the top 20, and not including maybe's of guys who've beaten Nadal on HC before (Berdych, Davydenko, Ferrer). So I don't think the career slam for Rafa is as much of a lock as everyone expects.

Bundey
05-19-2009, 06:21 PM
Fed
Djokovic
Murray
Roddick
Verdasco
Tsonga
Nalbandian
Del potro
Daveydenko
all have legit chances vs Rafa on a fast hardcourt.

Fed really only have two obstacles at RG. Rafa and Novak

sh@de
05-19-2009, 06:42 PM
Must be option two. Although Fed only has two obstacles at RG, Djoker and Nadal, the latter of the two is... unbreakable. At RG anyway, I think. I suppose Nadal is harder to defeat at RG than Fed is at the US Open.

veroniquem
05-19-2009, 06:51 PM
Tough tough question.
Obviously the argument in favor of Fed is: 3 RG finals (if he keeps making finals, why couldn't he win 1 one day?). At the very least one could say Fed's been the closest to doing it so far.
The arguments in favor of Nadal are: he's young, he has more opportunities left than Fed, he has won his first hard court slam this season after making the semi last year, so why wouldn't he do the same at USO? (and don't give me that crap about the surface as Nadal won the Olympics on a fast hard court as similar as possible to USO)

Noveson
05-19-2009, 06:55 PM
Fed
Djokovic
Murray
Roddick
Verdasco
Tsonga
Nalbandian
Del potro
Daveydenko
all have legit chances vs Rafa on a fast hardcourt.

Fed really only have two obstacles at RG. Rafa and Novak

But Nadal can beat all of those people. Federer has a miniscule chance of beating Nadal at RG in my opinion.

jamesblakefan#1
05-19-2009, 06:56 PM
Does Nadal really have that many opportunities. Yes, he's younger, but even he's starting to doubt how much he can hold up with the current schedule. He has 2, maybe 3 or 4 more shots at the USO, after that you can't automatically say he'll be a contender there anymore. Just because of his playing style and his injury history.

Rickson
05-19-2009, 06:58 PM
Veron, do you believe in the curse of 13 now?

veroniquem
05-19-2009, 07:00 PM
Veron, do you believe in the curse of 13 now?
Yes Rickson, your clairvoyance is amazing :)
(so glad it won't strike at RG!)

jamesblakefan#1
05-19-2009, 07:04 PM
But Nadal can beat all of those people. Federer has a miniscule chance of beating Nadal at RG in my opinion.

But can he beat them at the USO? I'm not so sure about that.

And nice pic Rickson, I'm a big fan of Ms. Kardashian's *ahem* work.

VivalaVida
05-19-2009, 07:05 PM
Rafa at the US open. Roger is not getting any better at the US open and is turning 28. Nadal, on the other hand, is getting better year after year and is 22. I think the US open should be his within 1 or 2 years

jamesblakefan#1
05-19-2009, 07:17 PM
Too many people are looking at it as a Rafa vs Roger thing, if they were to meet in the finals. What's to say Rafa will even be able to make it that far, he hasn't so far? Semis is close, but Fed has made the finals, something Rafa has yet to do at the USO.

VivalaVida
05-19-2009, 07:22 PM
Too many people are looking at it as a Rafa vs Roger thing, if they were to meet in the finals. What's to say Rafa will even be able to make it that far, he hasn't so far? Semis is close, but Fed has made the finals, something Rafa has yet to do at the USO.
I just googled Simona Halep... :shock: her movement must be seriously deterred by those.:shock:

Rickson
05-19-2009, 07:26 PM
Veron, you must feel good that the curse is over for Rafa. Did Roger use his ace in his sleeve too soon? He did if he wanted RG with a guarantee, but now he'll prove it on his own if he can. No curse to guide him along this time.

veroniquem
05-19-2009, 07:31 PM
Veron, you must feel good that the curse is over for Rafa. Did Roger use his ace in his sleeve too soon? He did if he wanted RG with a guarantee, but now he'll prove it on his own if he can. No curse to guide him along this time.
Yes, relieved the curse is gone, it was a close call (what if Djoko had beaten Rafa in the semi? :shock:) That's why Rafa gave everything he had in the Djoko match, he obviously knew about the curse :)

jamesblakefan#1
05-19-2009, 07:35 PM
I just googled Simona Halep... :shock: her movement must be seriously deterred by those.:shock:

Unfortunate news on that front

http://argwus.blogspot.com/2009/05/simona-halep-to-have-surgery.html

But that's besides the point. Let's not forget that Fed took a set off of Nadal in 07 French.

oneleggedcardinal
05-19-2009, 07:36 PM
Yes, relieved the curse is gone, it was a close call (what if Djoko had beaten Rafa in the semi? :shock:) That's why Rafa gave everything he had in the Djoko match, he obviously knew about the curse :)

That's because he has an account here...now if we could just figure out who he is...I think he's Breakpoint or Tennis_Hero.

theagassiman
05-19-2009, 08:17 PM
I'll take option number 2, thank you.

If Federer doesn't win Roland Garros this year, he will never win it.


Nice thread.

Agree.
Unfortunately.

[d]ragon
05-19-2009, 08:19 PM
As much as I'm rooting for Fed, Nadal winning the USO is much more likely

sh@de
05-20-2009, 05:15 AM
ragon;3443749']As much as I'm rooting for Fed, Nadal winning the USO is much more likely

Same here.

helloworld
05-20-2009, 05:46 AM
If Nadal can beat Fed at Wimbledon, he can beat Fed anywhere.

Rickson
05-20-2009, 06:43 AM
And if Federer can beat Nadal on clay...

deltox
05-20-2009, 07:00 AM
i think nadal will play in more USOs than roger will FOs in total. But i dont think nadal will get more chances. i mean he wont make the finals every time like roger has the french. But as stated earlier, on a good day, there is quite a long list that can beat nadal on USO HCs, but there is only a handful stopping fed from making the finals til hes done. doubt i would really bet either way on this one. The oly thing i can see favoring one more than the other is that Fed is hot right now going into this years FO and Nadal will be at the end of a long season when the USO comes around.

its really a coin flip as to which one will actually pull the trigger on the last slam first

Cyan
05-20-2009, 07:15 AM
Nole......................

Edberg&Becker
05-20-2009, 07:51 AM
fed ten char

Bud
05-20-2009, 08:21 AM
If Nadal can beat Fed at Wimbledon, he can beat Fed anywhere.

And if Federer can beat Nadal on clay...

He's already beaten Nadal on clay. If/when he beats him at RG, then we'll talk.

gunnd5000
05-20-2009, 08:50 AM
Fed
Djokovic
Murray
Roddick
Verdasco
Tsonga
Nalbandian
Del potro
Daveydenko
all have legit chances vs Rafa on a fast hardcourt.

Fed really only have two obstacles at RG. Rafa and Novak

u need to put blake on there for US with the crowd behind him he has a chance
and murray snt the greatest on clay tbh but has a good chance against him

Bundey
05-20-2009, 12:28 PM
But Nadal can beat all of those people. Federer has a miniscule chance of beating Nadal at RG in my opinion.

Yea that would be the flip side to the arguement. Quality vs quantity. To me Nadal is at a greater risk of losing in at the US, because from about the round of sixteen on there could be someone who gets hot at the right time and knocks him off. Federer probably won't face too much opposition until the semis if Djokovic is on his half. (Knock on wood.)

bluetrain4
05-20-2009, 12:35 PM
I'm betting either they both do it, or neither one does it.

Rickson
05-20-2009, 12:45 PM
Getting nervous since the curse of 13 came true, Bud? You're gonna owe me a roll of overgrip soon.

Bundey
05-20-2009, 12:54 PM
I'm betting either they both do it, or neither one does it.

Why does one person pulling off the feat have any relativity to the other pulling it off in your mind?

Getting nervous since the curse of 13 came true, Bud? You're gonna owe me a roll of overgrip soon.

What exactly is this curse of 13 that everyone speaks of?

DownTheLine
05-20-2009, 01:01 PM
I am saying fed. Federer was doing bad last year and still won in straight sets and him just beating nadal.

boredone3456
05-20-2009, 01:47 PM
Nadal at the Open. He has proven he can beat Fed at GS Level on hardcourts and considering Fed has done worse and worse every year against Nadal at Roland Garros I don't see Fed getting it. His last best shot was last year and he won a total of 4 games against Rafa. The only way Fed will win the French is if Nadal gets taken out before the final which is very unlikely. Fed almost lost to Berdych at the Aussie, 3 years ago that would not have happened, Fed could easily lose before the finals of the French if he gets someone who isn't intimidated by him and takes it to him.

As for Nadal yes there are more people that can beat him at the US Open, but with Fed more vulnerable now than ever Nadal has got to be at the top of the pack to captilize and claim the US Open. Especially if Fed keeps playing so inconsistantly he may be # 3 or 4 by the us open if he doesn't whip his head on straight soon. And if he drops there...he will have a likely 50/50 shot at having Nadal in the semi's, which he doesn't want. Nadal is way more likely to get the US Open than Fed is to get the French, Unless Nadal gets abducted by aliens I don't see fed beating him in paris, the best hope he can have is to not get annihialted like last year.

flying24
05-20-2009, 01:57 PM
Who'd you say would have a chance vs. Rafa at USO? I'd say:
Fed
Djokovic
Murray
Roddick
Verdasco
Tsonga
Nalbandian (if healthy)
Blake

And that's just including guys in the top 20, and not including maybe's of guys who've beaten Nadal on HC before (Berdych, Davydenko, Ferrer). So I don't think the career slam for Rafa is as much of a lock as everyone expects.

What a joke. You must be another TW clown. I am not even a Nadal fan, but you are downright nuts and delusional with a list like that. James freaking Blake a better shot at winning the U.S Open than Nadal, ROTFFFFLLLLLLL!!! The nearly 30 year old who has only been to 3 slam quarters and cant even beat Nadal head on slow hard courts anymore despite the favorable matchup. Nadal last year dead tired still surpassed Blake's best ever U.S Open. Of course only someone who calls himself JamesBlakefan thinks Blake has a better shot at the U.S Open than Nadal.

Tsonga, based on what, one dream hard court event which was still topped twice by Rafa's at the both the Olympics and Australian Open this year, and is still 1-3 head to head vs Rafa on hard courts against despite the favorable matchup.

Nalbandian, the mid 20s guy who has never been to a slam final anywhere except a fluke Wimbledon final on his worst surface, who has had all his best career results indoors, whose best results where all from 2003-2007. Oh yeah not to mention there is almost no chance of him even playing the U.S Open this year.

Roddick who since 2004 hasnt beaten Nadal on anything other than lightning grease court which is even much faster than the U.S Open in a best 2 of 3, and who hasnt been past the quarters of any slam other than the Australian Open since 2006 now.

Verdasco who couldnt even beat Nadal playing out of his mind at the Australian Open, and who has done nothing in slam events other than that.

Federer, Djokovic, and Murray I could see "maybe" although I dont neccessarily agree on all 3. The others put down the crack pipe. Steff Graf or Martina Navratilova have a better shot coming out of retirement and winning Wimbledon with back to back double bagels over the Williams than James Blake does of ever winning a slam title at this point.

GameSampras
05-20-2009, 02:40 PM
I dont see why Djoker, Fed or Murray couldnt whallop Nadal at the USO. Its not a secret that Nadal's game just doesnt fit well on faster courts where he comes neutralized pretty quickly. Fed just showed us on faster clay, Murray showed us last year at the USO. Nadal has the advantage on the slower courts against his opponents where his defense comes in handy.

jamesblakefan#1
05-20-2009, 02:48 PM
What a joke. You must be another TW clown. I am not even a Nadal fan, but you are downright nuts and delusional with a list like that. James freaking Blake a better shot at winning the U.S Open than Nadal, ROTFFFFLLLLLLL!!! The nearly 30 year old who has only been to 3 slam quarters and cant even beat Nadal head on slow hard courts anymore despite the favorable matchup. Nadal last year dead tired still surpassed Blake's best ever U.S Open. Of course only someone who calls himself JamesBlakefan thinks Blake has a better shot at the U.S Open than Nadal.

Tsonga, based on what, one dream hard court event which was still topped twice by Rafa's at the both the Olympics and Australian Open this year, and is still 1-3 head to head vs Rafa on hard courts against despite the favorable matchup.

Nalbandian, the mid 20s guy who has never been to a slam final anywhere except a fluke Wimbledon final on his worst surface, who has had all his best career results indoors, whose best results where all from 2003-2007. Oh yeah not to mention there is almost no chance of him even playing the U.S Open this year.

Roddick who since 2004 hasnt beaten Nadal on anything other than lightning grease court which is even much faster than the U.S Open in a best 2 of 3, and who hasnt been past the quarters of any slam other than the Australian Open since 2006 now.

Verdasco who couldnt even beat Nadal playing out of his mind at the Australian Open, and who has done nothing in slam events other than that.

Federer, Djokovic, and Murray I could see "maybe" although I dont neccessarily agree on all 3. The others put down the crack pipe. Steff Graf or Martina Navratilova have a better shot coming out of retirement and winning Wimbledon with back to back double bagels over the Williams than James Blake does of ever winning a slam title at this point.

Shows how good of a reader you are. I didn't say those guys had a better chance at winning the USO. I said those guys were all capable of beating Nadal at the USO, which I stand by. So you, sir, should learn to read before telling me to put down the crack pipe. :)

GameSampras
05-20-2009, 02:53 PM
Shows how good of a reader you are. I didn't say those guys had a better chance at winning the USO. I said those guys were all capable of beating Nadal at the USO, which I stand by. So you, sir, should learn to read before telling me to put down the crack pipe. :)

Well a slim chance I guess for guys like Blake and Nalbandian. Very slim. Their best days are gone. If they had best days that is. No doubt Nadal could be taken out by the other top 3 players though at the USO which is definitely Nadal's weakest surface

grafselesfan
05-20-2009, 02:54 PM
Blake does not have any shot of beating Nadal at the U.S Open. The guy is finished. If they play at the U.S Open Blake wont get a set. If Verdasco ever beats Nadal it wont be a grand slam, he couldnt even do it in Australia playing the tennis of his life. Nalbandian is definitely not even playing the U.S Open this year and he never posts a big win over anyone at a slam, except Federer 2003-earlier. Roddick definitely isnt going to beat Nadal in a slam event either, he is a player Roddick will always have to avoid if he wants to be a run in the future at a slam before he retires. So even though flying misinterpreted your post he is still right. The only one of those who can beat Nadal at the U.S Open maybe is Federer, Murray, Djokovic, and Tsonga.

grafselesfan
05-20-2009, 02:58 PM
Well a slim chance I guess for guys like Blake and Nalbandian. Very slim. Their best days are gone. If they had best days that is. No doubt Nadal could be taken out by the other top 3 players though at the USO which is definitely Nadal's weakest surface

Nalbandian had best days. Sometimes even lasting a full week. Never a full two weeks though, never mind a full year. Blake's only beat days were at his absolute peak playing pre-prime in diapers Nadal on fast hard courts or playing Davydenko his longtime beetch.

jamesblakefan#1
05-20-2009, 03:00 PM
Blake does not have any shot of beating Nadal at the U.S Open. The guy is finished. If they play at the U.S Open Blake wont get a set. If Verdasco ever beats Nadal it wont be a grand slam, he couldnt even do it in Australia playing the tennis of his life. Nalbandian is definitely not even playing the U.S Open this year and he never posts a big win over anyone at a slam, except Federer 2003-earlier. Roddick definitely isnt going to beat Nadal in a slam event either, he is a player Roddick will always have to avoid if he wants to be a run in the future at a slam before he retires. So even though flying misinterpreted your post he is still right. The only one of those who can beat Nadal at the U.S Open maybe is Federer, Murray, Djokovic, and Tsonga.

You don't think Roddick would have a shot vs Nadal if they played at the Open? You gotta take Home Court advantage into consideration. And don't forget what Roddick did to Nadal in Dubai. I'm not saying that he'd be favored, but if Nadal came in "tired" vs. Roddick, you've gotta think Roddick would have a shot. Same with Blake.

veroniquem
05-20-2009, 03:00 PM
And if Federer can beat Nadal on clay...
We're talking about slams though...

grafselesfan
05-20-2009, 03:04 PM
You don't think Roddick would have a shot vs Nadal if they played at the Open? You gotta take Home Court advantage into consideration. And don't forget what Roddick did to Nadal in Dubai. I'm not saying that he'd be favored, but if Nadal came in "tired" vs. Roddick, you've gotta think Roddick would have a shot. Same with Blake.

Home court advantage hasnt helped Roddick get past the quarters more than once since 2003, and that was only with a joke draw in 2006 (washed up out of top 20 Hewitt in the quarters, Youzhny in the semis, LOL!). Home court advantage couldnt even help Roddick get past an off form and shaky Djokovic in the quarters last year, the player in the top 4 he has by far his most success against. No Roddick has no shot of beating Nadal at the U.S Open, home court and all. When is Roddick's last big win in a slam event? Dubai is probably the fastest court on tour, it isnt a grand slam, and it was before Nadal's major hard courts improvement in mid 2008. Simon has beaten late 2008 Nadal on a slower hard court than that and I give him no shot of beating Nadal at the U.S Open also.

As for Blake, like I said stick a fork in him. I know you are a fan but get real here.

jamesblakefan#1
05-20-2009, 03:08 PM
I don't think you can say no shot. If both were 100%, then I'd give Nadal the edge. But if they met in the QF or SF, and Nadal were "tired" as he often seems to get, particularly at the USO after the HC season, then Roddick would definetly have a shot. Most would've said Murray would have no shot last yr, but he was able to do it. So I definetly would give Roddick a shot.

grafselesfan
05-20-2009, 03:12 PM
Roddick couldnt even beat a tired, off form, and sluggish Djokovic last year. While one could argue Djokovic being better than Nadal on a fast hard court, Roddick no doubt finds Djokovic a better matchup for him than Nadal. So I fully expect a tired and less than his best Nadal would definitely beat any Roddick at the U.S Open. We will have to agree to disagree.

jamesblakefan#1
05-20-2009, 03:14 PM
Agree to disagree. I still have hope for Blake! LOL

T1000
05-20-2009, 04:14 PM
Federer, he has only two obstacles at the French, nadal and joke. Nadal is not good enough on fast hardcourts. he's "tired" at the end of the year and gets easy draws that do not help him.

tennis-hero
05-20-2009, 04:19 PM
i voted Nadal for the US OPEN

of course NAdal sucks on hard courts, as evidenced by the fact that Roddick has bagled Nadal at the US OPEN

but, with such a weak current era (unlike 04-07 the strongest era in the last 50 years) then even Rafa can win the US open

jamesblakefan#1
05-20-2009, 04:25 PM
i voted Nadal for the US OPEN

of course NAdal sucks on hard courts, as evidenced by the fact that Roddick has bagled Nadal at the US OPEN

but, with such a weak current era (unlike 04-07 the strongest era in the last 50 years) then even Rafa can win the US open

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

fastdunn
05-20-2009, 04:58 PM
Hmm. this is a tough one. Generally, it appears to be tougher for Federer to win French Open but all he needs is one slip from Nadal.

I would say they both will achieve a career slam.

veroniquem
05-20-2009, 05:49 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nadal got beaten by prime Roddick at USO at the tender age of 18 years old.
Federer was much worse, he got beaten in straights at the age of 20 by 31 year old Agassi and managed to get only 3 games out of the first 2 sets!
At the age of 21, Federer went from bad to worse by being straight setted in the 4th round by Max Mirnyi.
Federer sucks so much that at 18 years old he wasn't even capable of playing the USO!
Although Sampras would fare considerably better than Federer in his early USO years, at 18 he still got straight setted by Jay Berger who had the privilege to hand poor Pete a breadstick as well (4th round).
So I don't see anything shocking in Nadal's result at all...

jamesblakefan#1
05-20-2009, 05:56 PM
Nadal got beaten by prime Roddick at USO at the tender age of 18 years old.
Federer was much worse, he got beaten in straights at the age of 20 by 31 year old Agassi and managed to get only 3 games out of the first 2 sets!
At the age of 21, Federer went from bad to worse by being straight setted in the 4th round by Max Mirnyi.
Federer sucks so much that at 18 years old he wasn't even capable of playing the USO!
Although Sampras would fare considerably better than Federer in his early USO years, at 18 he still got straight setted by Jay Berger who had the privilege to hand poor Pete a breadstick as well (4th round).
So I don't see anything shocking in Nadal's result at all...

No, I was laughing at him saying that now is a weak era, and 2 yrs ago was the strongest era in the past 50 yrs.

veroniquem
05-20-2009, 05:58 PM
No, I was laughing at him saying that now is a weak era, and 2 yrs ago was the strongest era in the past 50 yrs.
I know, I'm sorry, I meant it as a reply to his post but I did something wrong and ended up quoting your post instead.

deltox
05-20-2009, 06:04 PM
Roddick is actually a very bad matchup for nadal on USO courts. I doubt seriously nadal wants to see him in his quarter at the open this year. Him or Tsnoga honestly

veroniquem
05-20-2009, 06:09 PM
Roddick is actually a very bad matchup for nadal on USO courts. I doubt seriously nadal wants to see him in his quarter at the open this year. Him or Tsnoga honestly
USO 2007, Nadal-Tsonga, Nadal won: 7-6, 6-2, 6-1.

gj011
05-20-2009, 06:11 PM
LOL, how is this even a question. Nadal of course.

Federer has no chance to complete career GS.

dh003i
05-20-2009, 06:37 PM
Must be option two. Although Fed only has two obstacles at RG, Djoker and Nadal, the latter of the two is... unbreakable. At RG anyway, I think. I suppose Nadal is harder to defeat at RG than Fed is at the US Open.

Seeing as how Federer's won the USO 5 times in a row, evidence doesn't support that theory.

And the field at he USO is a lot stronger than that at he FO, as all kinds of players are good or can be very dangerous on those fast hard-courts.

In today's game, the USO is the most difficult major to win, although Wimbledon is the most prestigious.

Also, while Nadal has improved greatly on hard-courts, there are still quite a few number of players who can take them out.

I still think Federer has a shot at the FO, this year and for a couple more years.

As for Nadal at the USO, that's a difficult time of the year for him, he seems to be worn down by then. But he'll definitely have his chances. He's certainly good enough on HC to win the USO, something I wouldn't have thought about him a few years ago. But there are of course a number of players who are extremely dangerous to him there and can and have taken him out.

clayman2000
05-20-2009, 06:51 PM
USO 2007, Nadal-Tsonga, Nadal won: 7-6, 6-2, 6-1.

Ya what was Tsonga in 07, a lazy Muhammad Ali look alike. Today it would be a different story


Look if Roddick played Nadal at the USO, Nadal is easily the favourite. But, if Roddick uses his head the whole match, he has a fighting chance. Remember, the 08 Roddick is a completely different player. IF you saw Roddick v Federer both at IW and Madrid you would see he is hitting way more agressivly

veroniquem
05-20-2009, 06:56 PM
Ya what was Tsonga in 07, a lazy Muhammad Ali look alike. Today it would be a different story


Look if Roddick played Nadal at the USO, Nadal is easily the favourite. But, if Roddick uses his head the whole match, he has a fighting chance. Remember, the 08 Roddick is a completely different player. IF you saw Roddick v Federer both at IW and Madrid you would see he is hitting way more agressivly
I saw Nadal-Roddick at IW...