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Xuxa Kuerten
05-20-2009, 07:46 PM
Hello. Once in a while we're able to see a player with a not so high ranking achieving good results on majors (QF, maybe SF). Do you think it could happen in RG? Who do you pick as an eventual dark horse (considering only players out of top 20)? My bet is on Juan Monaco.

tennisplaya
05-20-2009, 09:06 PM
Davydenko. Not out of the top 20 but he hasn't played that much in recent months.

iamgoat
05-20-2009, 09:09 PM
Martin Vassallo-Arguello. At least QF.

VictorS.
05-20-2009, 09:23 PM
My darkhorse to win the whole thing: Jo-Willy Tsonga.

Clay is obviously not his best surface. However, he's got a big game which is tough on any surface. In addition, he's a very emotionally driven player. If he can ride the emotional high of playing in front of his home crowd, I could definitely see him make some noise.

Disclaimer: I don't think Tsonga is going to win. He's just a dark horse. Also, I know you said outside the top 20. But the way the top players have been dominating I think it's virtually impossible for someone outside the top 20 to win a slam at the moment.

mrDamien
05-20-2009, 09:25 PM
I think Simon. One of the rising star from French Federation. He got his game pretty good recently.

vndesu
05-20-2009, 09:25 PM
maybe gulbis

ChuDat
05-20-2009, 09:31 PM
Andy Roddick

IvanAndreevich
05-20-2009, 09:39 PM
^ Wow those are all some pretty lame dark horse picks IMO.

sh@de
05-20-2009, 09:43 PM
Juan Monaco.

Xuxa Kuerten
05-20-2009, 10:31 PM
My darkhorse to win the whole thing: Jo-Willy Tsonga.

Clay is obviously not his best surface. However, he's got a big game which is tough on any surface. In addition, he's a very emotionally driven player. If he can ride the emotional high of playing in front of his home crowd, I could definitely see him make some noise.

Disclaimer: I don't think Tsonga is going to win. He's just a dark horse. Also, I know you said outside the top 20. But the way the top players have been dominating I think it's virtually impossible for someone outside the top 20 to win a slam at the moment.

Tsonga is my fav. player nowadays. He reminds me of Guga in a certain way. It would be fantastic for tennis if he becomes more consistent and reach at least a QF in RG.

I've asked for someone outside the top 20 exactly because I think the field it's extremely concentrated on the same guys, so to consider a surprise performance of someone who is not on that list would be interesting. But I'm not regarding the possibility of this dark horse winning the tournament; it would be nice already if this player reach a QF or a SF (eventually defeating one of the "fantastic fours"). I guess Monaco may have a slight but important chance if he continues to raise his level (as he's doing since the beginning of the clay season).

MajinX
05-20-2009, 10:39 PM
I think Simon. One of the rising star from French Federation. He got his game pretty good recently.

u must not have been watching tennis the last month, simon is getting upsetted left and right, dont think he made one QF in the last 3 clay masters and he just lost a couple matches just now in the world championships.

bdawg
05-20-2009, 10:45 PM
How about Del Potro?

CyBorg
05-20-2009, 10:45 PM
Yeah, Simon has been atrocious as of late.

Cesc Fabregas
05-20-2009, 10:49 PM
Simon sucks on clay his game is about re-directing pace.

Avril_lover7
05-20-2009, 10:53 PM
juan monaco - del potro - gulbis - fredrico jequel - Fabio Fignini

seem to me , they're all good enough to bother the BIG NAMES !

Avril_lover7
05-20-2009, 11:01 PM
^^
fredrico ,,
i only saw him playing Nadal on hard courts ,,

but he seem he can do something ..

:)

Ripster
05-20-2009, 11:33 PM
Agree with Juan Monaco as a dark horse to make it really deep. Maybe quarterfinals or even semis depending on his draw. I don't see him winning RG though.

iamgoat
05-20-2009, 11:34 PM
juan monaco - del potro - gulbis - fredrico jequel - Fabio Fignini

seem to me , they're all good enough to bother the BIG NAMES !

but JMDP is a big name.

shadows
05-21-2009, 12:22 AM
I shall not pick Monaco as a dark horse since he now seems sort of...too obvious xD

I like Paul Henri Mathieu as a French Dark Horse, the others (aside from monfils, though it's looking like he won't play) really don't have the game for clay. Tsonga definitely won't enjoy the conditions and Simon has been playing pretty terribly. I'm a big fan of Chardy but he's not ready for a big GS performance yet imo.

Fognini is one lower ranked guy I like for causing trouble, particularly if the seeds he comes across match up well for him. Mentally if he goes down he's liable to go down quick, but if he can get into the game and enjoy things he'll be tough.

I also quite fancy Kohlschreiber to do something as long as he doesn't get a horrid early match up. He's taken out a couple of decent players lately, Almagro and Cilic for instance in Madrid, and he's been playing well in the Arag event too this week.

AsgerHO
05-21-2009, 01:56 AM
I wonīt go for Monaco - I donīt know how serious his injury is, and as mentioned he seems too obvious.
I think Oscar Hernandez has potential to do some damage - he hasnīt the game to beat any of the top guys, but I could see him win at least some rounds. Heīs been playing well lately.
Wawrinka also seems as an interesting bet to me

Also that Nadal guy seems to be playing some good tennis...

Dutch-Guy
05-21-2009, 02:42 AM
Fernando Gone-zalez(Gonzalez).

Avril_lover7
05-21-2009, 07:23 AM
but JMDP is a big name.

i know ,,

but he would be a dark horse ,,
as a new champion of RG ,,


no one expects him to win it ,,

they only expect him to perform well and reach a QF or SF ....

joeri888
05-21-2009, 07:50 AM
I'm hoping Ferrero, but not expecting. I think Monaco will do very well, he's a good pick.

I also wonder if Wawrinka is finally going to step up the plate at a Slam

Xuxa Kuerten
05-21-2009, 08:53 AM
I shall not pick Monaco as a dark horse since he now seems sort of...too obvious xD

I like Paul Henri Mathieu as a French Dark Horse, the others (aside from monfils, though it's looking like he won't play) really don't have the game for clay. Tsonga definitely won't enjoy the conditions and Simon has been playing pretty terribly. I'm a big fan of Chardy but he's not ready for a big GS performance yet imo.

Fognini is one lower ranked guy I like for causing trouble, particularly if the seeds he comes across match up well for him. Mentally if he goes down he's liable to go down quick, but if he can get into the game and enjoy things he'll be tough.

I also quite fancy Kohlschreiber to do something as long as he doesn't get a horrid early match up. He's taken out a couple of decent players lately, Almagro and Cilic for instance in Madrid, and he's been playing well in the Arag event too this week.

Kohlschreiber is indeed a very good bet. I think he does have the game to reach the final rounds of RG, but he still lacks some consistency and nerves to do so. But he's one of those players that could do some damage, no matter how full of good players is his draw.

I consider Fognini a petite Federer. He has tons of talent, has beautiful strokes and is even more used to play on clay. But he's by far the most "casual" player of the tour. Never seem to care about what's going on the match; he easily lose his interest when he starts to make mistakes and just doesn't seem to play two good matches in a row. It's a real shame, because he could be one of those clay court specialists that I'm so looking for to make the circuit even more interesting.

sUnTaO
05-21-2009, 08:54 AM
Ana Ivanovic ,maybe lol

Antonio Puente
05-21-2009, 09:06 AM
Crazy Dani, I pray. Would love to see a Nadal/Koellerer final.

deltox
05-21-2009, 01:32 PM
if he was healthy id have said monfils, but since he isnt ill have to go with Davydenko and JMDP

Serendipitous
05-21-2009, 05:57 PM
Ernests Gulbis

NLBwell
05-21-2009, 06:29 PM
Martin Verkerk
I bet he reaches the finals.



Somebody in the future will google this and think I had an amazing prediction.

Nadal_Freak
05-21-2009, 06:38 PM
Monfils as a return.

vtmike
05-21-2009, 06:41 PM
Nadal is the dark horse now that we have a new King of Clay! :lol: ;)

Blade0324
05-21-2009, 06:42 PM
Roger Federer. A not so good player that may have a chance...












... never mind he'll never win it.

Fedace
05-21-2009, 06:47 PM
I pick Amer Delic.

Tennis_Bum
05-21-2009, 09:01 PM
Simon sucks on clay his game is about re-directing pace.

In other word, a pusher. Can't push on clay. Murray is about the same therefore he didn't advance beyond quarter at master clay tournaments.

jamesblakefan#1
05-21-2009, 09:05 PM
I actually find Murray to be kinda a dark horse now, everyone kinda thinks hes gonna go out in the 3rd or 4th round. I think he can make the QF or SF, depending on the draw. It would be interesting if he were to play Fed in the SF, then who knows. It may be Murray/Djokovic in the finals. Stranger thinks have happened.

dataseviltwin
05-21-2009, 09:07 PM
Juan Monaco.

superb dirtballer, who's on a roll...

grafrules
05-21-2009, 09:09 PM
Tsonga is hopeless on clay. I nearly spit out my drink laughing at people discussing his prospects for the French. 2nd round if he is lucky.

TheTruth
05-21-2009, 09:14 PM
Juan Monaco.

I agree. I love Monaco's game! I like the Argentines!

TheTruth
05-21-2009, 09:17 PM
I shall not pick Monaco as a dark horse since he now seems sort of...too obvious xD

I like Paul Henri Mathieu as a French Dark Horse, the others (aside from monfils, though it's looking like he won't play) really don't have the game for clay. Tsonga definitely won't enjoy the conditions and Simon has been playing pretty terribly. I'm a big fan of Chardy but he's not ready for a big GS performance yet imo.

Fognini is one lower ranked guy I like for causing trouble, particularly if the seeds he comes across match up well for him. Mentally if he goes down he's liable to go down quick, but if he can get into the game and enjoy things he'll be tough.

I also quite fancy Kohlschreiber to do something as long as he doesn't get a horrid early match up. He's taken out a couple of decent players lately, Almagro and Cilic for instance in Madrid, and he's been playing well in the Arag event too this week.


Great post. Pretty in-depth!

veroniquem
05-21-2009, 09:33 PM
Del Potro (as long as he doesn't have to play Fed)

Avril_lover7
05-21-2009, 09:45 PM
i'm thinking Monaco is gonna disappoint most of us ..

he's not getting ready for RG very well ..

he's playing in German the world team champions ..

and also injured !!!

:(

OddJack
05-21-2009, 09:55 PM
Juan Martin Del Potro

gunnd5000
05-22-2009, 12:34 AM
to do well but not to win it Hewit and Allegro

IvanAndreevich
05-22-2009, 12:44 AM
Federer. Everyone has written him off already.

Xuxa Kuerten
05-22-2009, 09:16 AM
I pick Amer Delic.

Delic lost to brazilian Franco Ferreiro in the last round of the qualy. Let's see if he'll be a LL. I consider Ferreiro more talented than Bellucci, but he's 3 years older than him and is a mental midget ...

fedtastic
05-22-2009, 09:20 AM
I think its either Juan Monaco aka pico or Albert Montanes can be the dark horses. I like Monaco, I hope he does well.

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 09:21 AM
Federer. Everyone has written him off already.

Well he's a shoe in for the semis atleast.

Kemitak
05-22-2009, 09:32 AM
Safin is the perpetual Dark Horse, assuming he show up.

lum
05-22-2009, 10:43 AM
Peter Polansky (I could only hope).

Realistically, Monaco is the obvious choice. Kohlschreiber, Berdych, Wawrinka and Andreas Beck would be my next choices to go far/cause upsets.

yellowoctopus
05-22-2009, 10:46 AM
Davydenko. Not out of the top 20 but he hasn't played that much in recent months.

Yup, that's where I put my money.

epicsocks
05-22-2009, 11:13 AM
Monfils...

THESEXPISTOL
05-22-2009, 11:20 AM
Juan Monaco

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 11:35 AM
Juan Monaco pulled out in Rotterdam w/a wrist injury. Uh oh.

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/1/en/scores/