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batz
05-22-2009, 02:11 AM
http://tirage-rg.fft.fr/web/tab.htm

Novak is in Fed's half.

harrpau7
05-22-2009, 02:15 AM
Looks like the final this year could be Nadal v Djokovic then.

Mind you Fed seems to raise his game in slams, so if Fed/Joker were to meet in the semi it would be an awesome game.

allcourter2008
05-22-2009, 02:17 AM
So Djokovic is in Federer's half for the 5th time in the last 6 slams?

mandy01
05-22-2009, 02:18 AM
tough draw for Fed.
Hope this'll shut up some lost souls who go on about conspiracy theories ...

mandy01
05-22-2009, 02:19 AM
So Djokovic is in Federer's half for the 5th time in the last 6 slams? yep..and funnily its the *******s who keep on blabbering like broken records about anti-Nadal conspiracies.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 02:19 AM
So Djokovic is in Federer's half for the 5th time in the last 6 slams?

Fed still has Roddick though:).

allcourter2008
05-22-2009, 02:21 AM
Nadal's potential opponents:

Q / Gremelmayr or Hewitt / Söderling / Wawrinka or Verdasco / Gonzalez or Murray / Federer or Djokovic


Federer's potential opponents:

Martin / Mathieu / Haas or Chardy / Monfils or Roddick or some draw-filler / Djokovic / Nadal

vtmike
05-22-2009, 02:23 AM
tough draw for Fed.
Hope this'll shut up some lost souls who go on about conspiracy theories ...

One can only hope...

theduh
05-22-2009, 02:24 AM
OMG!!! have to wait forever to see the entire draw! Anyway looks like a tough draw for Fed.

Wow Gaston gets a wild card! Hopes he does well and pass the 1st round.

theduh
05-22-2009, 02:25 AM
One can only hope...

Boy, I saw Do not trust the hope.

jelle v
05-22-2009, 02:25 AM
Nadal's potential opponents:

Q / Gremelmayr or Hewitt / Soderling / Wawrinka or Verdasco / Gonzalez or Murray / Federer or Djokovic

Federer's potential opponents:
Martin / PHM / Hass or Chardy / Monfils or Roddick or some draw filler / Djokovic / Nadal

Wow seriously? That is one easy draw for Nadal.. Federer definitely has a much harder draw.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 02:27 AM
Here's the complete draw

[1] NADAL, Rafael ESP v [Q]
KUNITSYN, Igor RUS v GABASHVILI, Teimuraz RUS
GREMELMAYR, Denis GER v GOLUBEV, Andrey KAZ
HEWITT, Lleyton AUS v [26] KARLOVIC, Ivo CRO

[23] SODERLING, Robin SWE v KIM, Kevin USA
ISTOMIN, Denis UZB v [Q]
[Q] v KIEFER, Nicolas GER
GIL, Frederico POR v [14] FERRER, David ESP

[10] DAVYDENKO, Nikolay RUS v KOUBEK, Stefan AUT
JUNQUEIRA, Diego ARG v CAPDEVILLE, Paul CHI
MASSU, Nicolas CHI v KOELLERER, Daniel AUT
DEVILDER, Nicolas FRA v [17] WAWRINKA, Stanislas SUI

[31] ALMAGRO, Nicolas ESP v CALLERI, Agustin ARG
GULBIS, Ernests LAT v QUERREY, Sam USA
[Q] v PETZSCHNER, Philipp GER
SERRA, Florent FRA v [8] VERDASCO, Fernando ESP

[3] MURRAY, Andy GBR v CHELA, Juan Ignacio ARG
ZVEREV, Mischa GER v STARACE, Potito ITA
TIPSAREVIC, Janko SRB v MONTANES, Albert ESP
[Q] v [28] LOPEZ, Feliciano ESP

[18] STEPANEK, Radek CZE v [WC] GAUDIO, Gaston ARG
LU, Yen-Hsun TPE v [Q]
SELA, Dudi ISR v [Q]
HERNYCH, Jan CZE v [13] CILIC, Marin CRO

[12] GONZALEZ, Fernando CHI v [Q]
[Q] v VLIEGEN, Kristof BEL
GRANOLLERS, Marcel ESP v [WC] OUANNA, Josselin FRA
[WC] SIDORENKO, Alexandre FRA v [20] SAFIN, Marat RUS

[30] HANESCU, Victor ROU v DARCIS, Steve BEL
YOUZHNY, Mikhail RUS v MULLER, Gilles LUX
[Q] v KENDRICK, Robert USA
ODESNIK, Wayne USA v [7] SIMON, Gilles FRA

[5] DEL POTRO, Juan Martin ARG v LLODRA, Michael FRA
TROICKI, Viktor SRB v [Q]
BELLUCCI, Thomaz BRA v VASSALLO ARGUELLO, Martin ARG
[Q] v [25] ANDREEV, Igor RUS

[21] TURSUNOV, Dmitry RUS v CLEMENT, Arnaud FRA
SANTORO, Fabrice FRA v ROCHUS, Christophe BEL
BAGHDATIS, Marcos CYP v MONACO, Juan ARG
BENNETEAU, Julien FRA v [9] TSONGA, Jo-Wilfried FRA

[16] ROBREDO, Tommy ESP v [WC] MANNARINO, Adrian FRA
KOROLEV, Evgeny RUS v GIMENO-TRAVER, Daniel ESP
GARCIA-LOPEZ, Guillermo ESP v SEPPI, Andreas ITA
GONZALEZ, Maximo ARG v [22] FISH, Mardy USA

[29] KOHLSCHREIBER, Philipp GER v [WC] TOMIC, Bernard AUS
FERRERO, Juan Carlos ESP v LJUBICIC, Ivan CRO
DABUL, Brian ARG v [Q]
LAPENTTI, Nicolas ECU v [4] DJOKOVIC, Novak SRB

[6] RODDICK, Andy USA v [WC] JOUAN, Romain FRA
HERNANDEZ, Oscar ESP v MINAR, Ivo CZE
NAVARRO, Ivan ESP v BECK, Andreas GER
GICQUEL, Marc FRA v [27] SCHUETTLER, Rainer GER

[24] MELZER, Jurgen AUT v ROITMAN, Sergio ARG
[WC] RUFIN, Guillaume FRA v SCHWANK, Eduardo ARG
[Q] v [Q]
REYNOLDS, Bobby USA v [11] MONFILS, Gael FRA

[15] BLAKE, James USA v [Q]
PAVEL, Andrei ROU v HAAS, Tommy GER
PHAU, Bjorn GER v CHARDY, Jeremy FRA
BOLELLI, Simone ITA v [19] BERDYCH, Tomas CZE

[32] MATHIEU, Paul-Henri FRA v [WC] RECOUDERC, Laurent FRA
GINEPRI, Robby USA v ANDUJAR, Pablo ESP
ACASUSO, Jose ARG v [Q]
MARTIN, Alberto ESP v [2] FEDERER, Roger SUI

vtmike
05-22-2009, 02:28 AM
Boy, I saw Do not trust the hope.

OTOH what a cakewalk of a draw Nadal has...This is a conspiracy against Federer!! :lol: ;) :D

Thor
05-22-2009, 02:30 AM
Wow seriously? That is one easy draw for Nadal.. Federer definitely has a much harder draw.

Federer should cruise to the QF where i think hell meet Monfils(Although the top seed is Roddick - yea right).
Nadal will potentially meet Ferrer in the 4th and Verdasco in the QF.

Dont know about a "MUCH HARDER DRAW" for fed,but i expect nothing will deny us the Djokovic - Federer SF clash.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 02:30 AM
Well if Roger gets beat in the final. We all know its because he is tired yeah!

LMAO!! Yeah no question about that! Fed will be tired if he gets to Nadal in the finals... :lol:

Chelsea_Kiwi
05-22-2009, 02:33 AM
Why does 1st seed always play 3rd and 2nd always play 4th :mad: Obviously rigged that Djok is playing Fed and giving Nadal a cakewalk draw aswell.

mandy01
05-22-2009, 02:36 AM
OTOH what a cakewalk of a draw Nadal has...This is a conspiracy against Federer!! :lol: ;) I wonder if any draw is tough for Nadal at RG...
But really I'm starting to doubt peoples' education on this site.Every GS there has to be someone crying conspiracy!:lol:
Mostly *********s :roll:

joeri888
05-22-2009, 02:38 AM
Why does 1st seed always play 3rd and 2nd always play 4th :mad: Obviously rigged that Djok is playing Fed and giving Nadal a cakewalk draw aswell.

Nadal was on Murray's side in Australia.

gj011
05-22-2009, 02:40 AM
The only good thing about the draw is that Djokovic is in Fed's half.

Feds quarter is by far the easiest out of top 4. Why I am not surpried at all to see Roddick and Blake there.
Plus injured Monfils, Scheuttler, ...
Yet another tournament where Federer gets a joke cakewalk of a quarter.

Djokovic's and Nadal's quarters are quite hard OTOH. Djokovic has in form Ljubicic, Monaco, DelPotro, plus Lapentti in the first round. Nadal's quarter is quite hard too with Verdasco, Ferrer, Davydenko, Wawrinka, ...

Murray quarter is second easiest after Federer's. The only decent opponent there is Gonzo.

allcourter2008
05-22-2009, 02:41 AM
Monaco could reach QF, there he has a (very slim) chance to grind down Djokovic. If he wins the first set this slim chance could get pretty big.

westside
05-22-2009, 02:42 AM
Chela v Murray, Hewitt v Karlovic, Ljubicic v Ferrero are the first round matches i'm looking foward to

Would be interesting to see how Tomic and Guadio will go

bizarre_opinion
05-22-2009, 02:42 AM
i think overall nadal's side of the draw is slightly tougher then fed's. Nadal could possibly face ferrer, verdasco, murray on the route to the final. Where as fed has roddick and djokovic.

Fedexeon
05-22-2009, 02:43 AM
Djokovic seems to have the toughest draw out there.

allcourter2008
05-22-2009, 02:43 AM
Djokovic's and Nadal's quarters are quite hard OTOH. Djokovic has in form Ljubicic, Monaco, DelPotro, plus Lapentti in the first round. Nadal's quarter is quite hard too with Verdasco, Ferrer, Davydenko, Wawrinka, ...


In-form Ljubicic? You're desperate!
If Ljubicic is a threat to Djokovic, he better withdraws right now.

Del Potro is useless on clay (against Nadal, Fed and Djoko). Just watch how easy Federer disposed of him.

PimpMyGame
05-22-2009, 02:43 AM
Djoko and JMDP are in the same quarter, that could be interesting

mandy01
05-22-2009, 02:44 AM
Here come the conspiracy cries! :lol: :lol:

gj011
05-22-2009, 02:45 AM
In-form Ljubicic? You're desperate! If Ljubicic is a thread to Djokovic, he better withdraws right now.

DelPotro is useless on clay (against Nadal, Fed and Djoko), just watch how easy Federer disposed of him.

While Roddick and Blake are quite good clay courters. :roll:

Did you watch last couple of Masters at all? Ljubicic is making QF and playing nice on clay. Also Del Potro played decent tennis in Madrid. Didn't some of Federer fans say that Federer - DelPotro was the real final in Madrid?

vtmike
05-22-2009, 02:46 AM
tough draw for Fed.
Hope this'll shut up some lost souls who go on about conspiracy theories ...

That didn't take too long :lol: VVV


Feds quarter is by far the easiest out of top 4. Why I am not surpried at all to see Roddick and Blake there.
Plus injured Monfils, Scheuttler, ...
Yet another tournament where Federer gets a joke cakewalk of a quarter.


http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 02:47 AM
The draw is rigged!!! Blake has to play ON CLAY in the 1st Round! I thought this was a hardcourt tourney? They've changed it at the last minute to get Blake out early. I know it.

batz
05-22-2009, 02:47 AM
I wonder if Murray/chela is likely to be this Sunday? Novak was the highest seed to play last year on the Sunday and it would make sense to give Roger/Rafa/Novak the extra days rest given their efforts in Madrid.

Telepatic
05-22-2009, 02:48 AM
Roddick/Blake lol

allcourter2008
05-22-2009, 02:48 AM
Did you watch last couple of Masters at all?
Yes.
I saw a 30 year old grandpa that served well and hit some nice backhands, but moved like a snail (compared to top4).
Definately a terrifying sight for the top clay courters :).

And just to warn you from the upcoming disappointments, Djokovic is just playing for runner-up.

gj011
05-22-2009, 02:50 AM
Djokovic seems to have the toughest draw out there.

You got that right. While Federer's is the easiest.

fps
05-22-2009, 02:51 AM
The only good thing about the draw is that Djokovic is in Fed's half.

Feds quarter is by far the easiest out of top 4. Why I am not surpried at all to see Roddick and Blake there.
Plus injured Monfils, Scheuttler, ...
Yet another tournament where Federer gets a joke cakewalk of a quarter.

Djokovic's and Nadal's quarters are quite hard OTOH. Djokovic has in form Ljubicic, Monaco, DelPotro, plus Lapentti in the first round. Nadal's quarter is quite hard too with Verdasco, Ferrer, Davydenko, Wawrinka, ...

Murray quarter is second easiest after Federer's. The only decent opponent there is Gonzo.

you used to be a lot more sensible and easygoing than you are now. federer isn't going to be playing blake, he's not going through. roddick won't be getting past monfils if he's fit either. you can't just "say names" and expect to impress us with them- lapentti?? seriously? *in-form* ljubicic? only thing in-form i can see about him this year is he's actually making it to main event tournaments. you may disagree with that and fair enough, but i doubt you disagree with the following:

frankly nothing in the draw mattered apart from which side djokovic was on- if he played rafa in the semis they'd fight each other to a standstill leaving federer with a chance of winning in the final. on federer's side the opposite will happen and nadal, enormous favourite against anyone in a one-off, rested match on clay in the first place, will slam whoever makes the final.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 02:51 AM
Early upsets: I got Odesnik taking out Simon, who's played like crap recently. Oscar to take out A-Rod in the 2nd. Bolleli may beat Berdych. Is Monfils still in the draw?

gj011
05-22-2009, 02:52 AM
That didn't take too long :lol: VVV


It is the truth, like it or not.

gj011
05-22-2009, 02:53 AM
Early upsets: I got Odesnik taking out Simon, who's played like crap recently. Oscar to take out A-Rod in the 2nd. Bolleli may beat Berdych. Is Monfils still in the draw?

Yes he is still in the draw, just to pull out later and make it even easier for Federer. :mad:

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 02:55 AM
Monfils is hurt. It's not like he's gonna be a threat even if he stays in. What do you have against Fed.

You can't predict the draw and what's easy. Just look at your avatar.

mandy01
05-22-2009, 02:57 AM
It is the truth, accroding to me.
There fixed it for you.Seriously mate,lighten up.There are no conspiracies.

aphex
05-22-2009, 02:58 AM
The only good thing about the draw is that Djokovic is in Fed's half.

Feds quarter is by far the easiest out of top 4. Why I am not surpried at all to see Roddick and Blake there.
Plus injured Monfils, Scheuttler, ...
Yet another tournament where Federer gets a joke cakewalk of a quarter.

Djokovic's and Nadal's quarters are quite hard OTOH. Djokovic has in form Ljubicic, Monaco, DelPotro, plus Lapentti in the first round. Nadal's quarter is quite hard too with Verdasco, Ferrer, Davydenko, Wawrinka, ...

Murray quarter is second easiest after Federer's. The only decent opponent there is Gonzo.


http://www.linenoiz.com/pics/funny/its_a_conspiracy.jpg

theduh
05-22-2009, 03:01 AM
OTOH what a cakewalk of a draw Nadal has...This is a conspiracy against Federer!! :lol: ;) :D

throw up in my mouth a little bit LOL!

tennisplaya
05-22-2009, 03:03 AM
Assessment of the draw:

Federer has a crippled Monfils n his 1/4
Murray has Gonzales in his quarter
all the rest of the top clay players are in the 1/4 of Nole or Nadal.

allcourter2008
05-22-2009, 03:06 AM
Assessment of the draw:

Federer has a crippled Monfils n his 1/4
Murray has Gonzales in his quarter
all the rest of the top clay players are in the 1/4 of Nole or Nadal.

Most of them will neutralize each other. Warinka, Davydenko, Verdasco and Almagro are in the same 1/16.

gj011
05-22-2009, 03:13 AM
you used to be a lot more sensible and easygoing than you are now. federer isn't going to be playing blake, he's not going through. roddick won't be getting past monfils if he's fit either. you can't just "say names" and expect to impress us with them- lapentti?? seriously? *in-form* ljubicic? only thing in-form i can see about him this year is he's actually making it to main event tournaments. you may disagree with that and fair enough, but i doubt you disagree with the following:

frankly nothing in the draw mattered apart from which side djokovic was on- if he played rafa in the semis they'd fight each other to a standstill leaving federer with a chance of winning in the final. on federer's side the opposite will happen and nadal, enormous favourite against anyone in a one-off, rested match on clay in the first place, will slam whoever makes the final.

Lapentti on clay is a tough 1st round opponent. Toughest than what other 3 top 4 have to face in the first. That is all I am saying. Also you didn't watch Madrid obviously. Ljubicic made the QF beating Tsonga and Simon, and that is not first Masters QF he made recently.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 03:21 AM
Lapentti on clay is a tough 1st round opponent. Toughest than what other 3 top 4 have to face in the first. That is all I am saying. Also you didn't watch Madrid obviously. Ljubicic made the QF beating Tsonga and Simon, and that is not first Masters QF he made recently.

Nicholas Lapentti? You mean the guy who's 7-8 this yr, 32 yrs old, and 108 in the world? OH NO!!!!!!!!!!! NOT LAPENTTI!!!! ANYONE BUT LAPENTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iriraz
05-22-2009, 03:26 AM
For a grandslam first round where a top seed can meet any random qualifier,journeyman or wildcard Lapentti is a tough start for Djokovic.

gj011
05-22-2009, 03:28 AM
For a grandslam first round where a top seed can meet any random qualifier,journeyman or wildcard Lapentti is a tough start for Djokovic.

Exactly. But try to explain that to these hot heads.

Rhino
05-22-2009, 03:29 AM
Wow Gaston gets a wild card! Hopes he does well and pass the 1st round.

I don't think he'll beat Stephanek unfortunately but it would be awesome if could pull off an upset.

thejoe
05-22-2009, 03:29 AM
Lapentti on clay is a tough 1st round opponent. Toughest than what other 3 top 4 have to face in the first. That is all I am saying. Also you didn't watch Madrid obviously. Ljubicic made the QF beating Tsonga and Simon, and that is not first Masters QF he made recently.

Really? Last time I checked, Federer is playing a younger, higher ranked opponent. Ljubicic makes a couple of fluke runs and suddenly he is a major threat?

Exactly. But try to explain that to these hot heads.

You're the hot head here mate.

EDIT: Cool! Feliciano is seeded 28!

Gen
05-22-2009, 03:31 AM
Federer has a cupcake draw just once again ... which is fully compensated by Djok being in his half. Since the start of the drawing operations I prayed that Djok gets his birthday present and be planted in Federer's half, so that he can get to the final for the first time.

I am happy, despite a gang of good claycourters like Ferrer, Davydenko, Wawrinka, Verdasco being in Nadal's half.

Djok has Del Pony, Monaco and Robredo to worry about, but it looks manageable.

So .... happy birthday, Novak! And aide!

anointedone
05-22-2009, 03:31 AM
Nicholas Lapentti? You mean the guy who's 7-8 this yr, 32 yrs old, and 108 in the world? OH NO!!!!!!!!!!! NOT LAPENTTI!!!! ANYONE BUT LAPENTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He is a veteran player who has been in a slam quarterfinals and even a slam semifinal before, and whose best surface is clay. How many of the lower ranked 1st round opponents can say all that.

dr325i
05-22-2009, 03:32 AM
That didn't take too long :lol: VVV



http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/facepalm.jpg

Actually, as USUAL, you started the "conspiracy theory" crap first (joking or not...), but you just don't realize that...

You're just sitting, provoking and waiting for gj011 move, then try to sound like a smart ***** with comments like the above.

Mind your own business and TRY to contribute to the thread sometimes...

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 03:33 AM
C'mon you gotta be kiddin me. How many slams has Nicholas Lapentti won in his illustrious career? You really think Djokovic is gonna be losing sleep over LAPENTTI? If you really think that, you must not have a lotta faith in Novak. Be serious here. How much would you put on Lapentti winning the match? Zip. Zero. No chance.

ace-nelis
05-22-2009, 03:35 AM
Andy murray has a tough start against chela

Cyan
05-22-2009, 03:36 AM
Nole got his birthday present. Now he can make the final.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 03:37 AM
Lapentti lost 6-3, 6-0 to Nadal in Rome. Djokovic just played an epic classic vs. Nadal. Lapentti isn't in Djokovic's league. He should not be used to prove that Djokovic has a tough draw. LAPENTTI!!! I thought the guy was retired a year ago. He's still playing???

anointedone
05-22-2009, 03:38 AM
Through your histrionics you are missing the point. The point isnt that Lapentti has a good shot to beat Djokovic, which he clearly doesnt. Just that it is a tougher first round than most.

iriraz
05-22-2009, 03:40 AM
It`s not that Lapentti has a huge shot in beating Djokovic.But if he plays well he could play a long match even if he would loose in straight sets.We saw how long one match in three sets could go

gj011
05-22-2009, 03:42 AM
C'mon you gotta be kiddin me. How many slams has Nicholas Lapentti won in his illustrious career? You really think Djokovic is gonna be losing sleep over LAPENTTI? If you really think that, you must not have a lotta faith in Novak. Be serious here. How much would you put on Lapentti winning the match? Zip. Zero. No chance.

We are comparing draws here, and Lappenti is a feisty experienced clay courter, tough opponent on clay in the 1st round, and tougher than what other top players got. That is all I am saying. Not that Novak will lose any sleep over him.

P_Agony
05-22-2009, 03:44 AM
I'm actually happy Novak is on Fed's side.

If Fedeer wins, it'll be the ultimate test before the final. He'll come more prepared, and it'll be harder for Nadal to surprise him.
If Federer losses, at least he avoid a 5th loss to Nadal on RG.

I'm hoping Federer shows top form (unlike last year, when he got to the final despite a crappy form).

jelle v
05-22-2009, 03:50 AM
Through your histrionics you are missing the point. The point isnt that Lapentti has a good shot to beat Djokovic, which he clearly doesnt. Just that it is a tougher first round than most.

But what's the value of that? Djokovic will still beat Lapentti easily.. The true point here, is that GJ11 is making it sound as if Federer got an easy draw, which he hasn't. GJ11 is always discrediting Federer, for whatever reason he can find. It's sad really, always searching for ways to burn a player. First Djokovic should be in Federer's half, otherwise it would be conspiracy, now Djokovic is in Federer's half and still it isn't good enough, because Djokovic faces Lapentti in the first round? Come on.. please.. Djokovic will have no problem whatsoever with Lapentti if Djokovic plays his level of the past weeks.

jelle v
05-22-2009, 03:52 AM
We are comparing draws here, and Lappenti is a feisty experienced clay courter, tough opponent on clay in the 1st round, and tougher than what other top players got. That is all I am saying. Not that Novak will lose any sleep over him.

No.. that's not all you are saying.. you were saying this:

The only good thing about the draw is that Djokovic is in Fed's half.

Feds quarter is by far the easiest out of top 4. Why I am not surpried at all to see Roddick and Blake there.
Plus injured Monfils, Scheuttler, ...
Yet another tournament where Federer gets a joke cakewalk of a quarter.

Djokovic's and Nadal's quarters are quite hard OTOH. Djokovic has in form Ljubicic, Monaco, DelPotro, plus Lapentti in the first round. Nadal's quarter is quite hard too with Verdasco, Ferrer, Davydenko, Wawrinka, ...

Murray quarter is second easiest after Federer's. The only decent opponent there is Gonzo.

gj011
05-22-2009, 03:53 AM
But what's the value of that? Djokovic will still beat Lapentti easily.. The true point here, is that GJ11 is making it sound as if Federer got an easy draw, which he hasn't. GJ11 is always discrediting Federer, for whatever reason he can find. It's sad really, always searching for ways to burn a player. First Djokovic should be in Federer's half, otherwise it would be conspiracy, now Djokovic is in Federer's half and still it isn't good enough, because Djokovic faces Lapentti in the first round? Come on.. please.. Djokovic will have no problem whatsoever with Lapentti if Djokovic plays his level of the past weeks.

Are you saying Federer does not have an easy quarter. :shock:

gj011
05-22-2009, 03:55 AM
No.. that's not all you are saying.. you were saying this:

I was replying to blakefan#1 who was talking about Lapentti. So your post is pointless.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 03:56 AM
Djokovic went to 4 1st round last yr and still made the SF. So what does it matter? Your argument of him getting tired after one match makes him seem week, which is a discredit to Novak.

And if you're comparing, Chela is at least on the same level as Lapentti as far as a tough matchup. What about Verdasco drawing Serra? Or Tsonga drawing Benneteau? Who'd you rather him face in the first round, Zombified Phillipe Chatrier? Would that be easy enough to satisfy you???

P_Agony
05-22-2009, 03:56 AM
Oh my god, reading some of the gj011 quotes in here is just too funny.

Federer can get Nadal 1st round, Murray 2nd round, Djoko 3rd round, and gj011 will still consider it an easy draw.

The guy is losing credibility by the minute.

This is in fact the 1st time in a long time where IMO the top 4 got about as equally tough draw as you can get.

thejoe
05-22-2009, 03:59 AM
I was replying to blakefan#1 who was talking about Lapentti. So your post is pointless.

Dude, Lapentti's best performances came exactly 10 years ago. Give it up. It is as easy a first round opponent as you could get.

gj011
05-22-2009, 03:59 AM
Oh my god, reading some of the gj011 quotes in here is just too funny.

Federer can get Nadal 1st round, Murray 2nd round, Djoko 3rd round, and gj011 will still consider it an easy draw.

The guy is losing credibility by the minute.

This is in fact the 1st time in a long time where IMO the top 4 got about as equally tough draw as you can get.

So those Fed trolls are seriously going to claim that Federer does not have an easy joke of a quarter. Come on.

mandy01
05-22-2009, 04:01 AM
Whiners are out :D

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 04:01 AM
Predictable. When you have no defenses left, you attack. Namecalling wont help you here.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 04:03 AM
Don't get worked up fellas.We may see some upsets.

jelle v
05-22-2009, 04:04 AM
I was replying to blakefan#1 who was talking about Lapentti. So your post is pointless.

Yes and blakefan was replying in a general way to the discussion about Federer having a cupcake draw and Djokovic got screwed over because he has to play frikking Lapentti the first round. A point you brought up with your nonsense post that I quoted. So don't go saying that all you are saying is that Lapentti is a tough first round opponent, because that clearly is NOT ALL you are saying.

fps
05-22-2009, 04:06 AM
Are you saying Federer does not have an easy quarter. :shock:

the quality of the player is never factored into the difficulty of a quarter on this forum. it's an easy quarter because fed dominates certain players in it, like roddick. why? because federer is a damn fine player. it's not going to be an easy quarter for Alberto Martin, I can guarantee that. but you can't say, for instance "OMG nadal has almagro verdasco davydenko and wawrinka", because he's only going to play one of them.

these top 3 guys are going to beat everyone in getting to the semis, no draw is *hard* when you factor in how good they are. Bearing in mind that they spend a tonne of time practising off-court in addition to playing their matches- Nadal especially does ferocious work on the morning of matches- *tiredness* is not something that will be brought on by playing these opponents in the early rounds, and if it is steps can be taken by limiting the other training to reduce that. They can recover from 2hr 20 min matches as if they were 1 hr 20 min matches, it doesn't make a difference. Tiredness becomes a factor when they have to play 3hr+ matches two rounds in a row, or play two days in a row, and none of the guys in the first week are going to present those kinds of problems, and the scheduling won't get tighter until later if days are lost.

federer and djokovic being on the same side of the draw is worse for their individual chances of winning the title than anything nadal has to face. we know this because everyone's asking whether nadal will be tired for the final having played his guys, whereas there is a degree of uncertainty about which of djokovic and federer will even MAKE the final.

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:06 AM
Predictable. When you have no defenses left, you attack. Namecalling wont help you here.

I was attacked first by that troll. Truth twisting is becoming a norm here.

Are you agreeing with him that Federer's draw, aside getting Djokovic in SF, is difficult? :shock:

Also several people tried to explain you about Lapentti and the 1st round opponents, but you still don't get it. No need to try any more.

fps
05-22-2009, 04:10 AM
So those Fed trolls are seriously going to claim that Federer does not have an easy joke of a quarter. Come on.

so who do you think is going to win that second round showdown between djokovic and ljubicic? gonna be a close one no?

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:11 AM
Yes and blakefan was replying in a general way to the discussion about Federer having a cupcake draw and Djokovic got screwed over because he has to play frikking Lapentti the first round. A point you brought up with your nonsense post that I quoted. So don't go saying that all you are saying is that Lapentti is a tough first round opponent, because that clearly is NOT ALL you are saying.

That was all I was saying about Lapentti. Jeez. That is what discussion was about between him and me at that point.

The part you bolded is still valid. Federer indeed have, yet again, by far, an easiest draw out of top 4. It was just not part of the conversation there. So you missed the point.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 04:11 AM
My whole point originally was, it's impossible to tell what an "easy" draw is. There's always going to be upsets, tough matches that nobody expects to be tough. I tried to point that out to you by using Tipsy taking Fed to 10-8 in the 5th as an example. No one expected that when the draw came out. Sure the draw can look easier or tougher when it comes out, but it all changes by the 2nd week, more often than not.

And fine, Lapentti is tougher than Fed playing a qualifier in the 1st round. There. Are you happy now? But after the 1st round, you cannot predict the draw, at least past the 2nd round.

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:12 AM
so who do you think is going to win that second round showdown between djokovic and ljubicic? gonna be a close one no?

It is third round.

jelle v
05-22-2009, 04:13 AM
Are you saying Federer does not have an easy quarter. :shock:

I'm saying that Federer doesn't have an easy draw.. that's something different, isn't it..

Federer in his draw, will (probably) face:

r1: Martin
r2: Acasuso
r3: Paul Henri Mathieu
r4: Bolelli or Berdych or Haas
r5: Roddick or Monfils

And while there is no doubt in my mind that Federer will win this, I wouldn't consider it an easy "quarter".

fps
05-22-2009, 04:13 AM
It is third round.

ouch. that doesn't help your argument.

mandy01
05-22-2009, 04:14 AM
so who do you think is going to win that second round showdown between djokovic and ljubicic? gonna be a close one no? were you expecting anything different from the usual suspects? :lol:
Poor Novak and Nadal...tragic heroes of tennis :( :(:( (NOT)

fps
05-22-2009, 04:15 AM
I'm saying that Federer doesn't have an easy draw.. that's something different, isn't it..

Federer in his draw, will (probably) face:

r1: Martin
r2: Acasuso
r3: Paul Henri Mathieu
r4: Bolelli or Berdych or Haas
r5: Roddick or Monfils

And while there is no doubt in my mind that Federer will win this, I wouldn't consider it an easy "quarter".

it's not especially scary, acasuso and berdych/bolelli may be difficult, monfils i think could beat him if fit b/c he's such an athlete.

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:15 AM
ouch. that doesn't help your argument.

You obviously didn't watch Madrid and Monte Carlo. That does not help your argument.

fps
05-22-2009, 04:19 AM
You obviously didn't watch Madrid. That does not help your argument.

i watched him play in the tourny where he eventually went out to nadal. he played well, by standards which are not the same as they were at his peak. he'd be kinda like drawing safin. i think the fact that we have a difference of opinion over ljubicic reflects that on the day he may play well or badly, like many other players in the draw, meaning the draw cannot be dismissed as easy or hard until we see how the players perform on a given day.

Leonidas
05-22-2009, 04:20 AM
Nadal's potential opponents:

Q / Gremelmayr or Hewitt / Söderling / Wawrinka or Verdasco / Gonzalez or Murray / Federer or Djokovic


Federer's potential opponents:

Martin / Mathieu / Haas or Chardy / Monfils or Roddick or some draw-filler / Djokovic / Nadal
damn it. Verdasco is again in Nadal´s half. Another quarter final. i was expecting him giving troubles or even beating federer, but again i see my two best countrymen playing against each other. weird draw

flying24
05-22-2009, 04:21 AM
Is the womens draw out yet?

thejoe
05-22-2009, 04:21 AM
You obviously didn't watch Madrid and Monte Carlo. That does not help your argument.

Come on. Simon has been playing like utter crap recently. See his results in the world team cup? Apalling. Tsonga is about as good on clay as Roddick is. Ljubicic's run was halted by the first form player he faced. You think his 30 year old body will last 3 hours? His movement is already bad...

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 04:21 AM
Monfils is hurt tho, he wont make the QF, just got bageled by Baggy in an exo.

jelle v
05-22-2009, 04:21 AM
That was all I was saying about Lapentti. Jeez. That is what discussion was about between him and me at that point.

The part you bolded is still valid. Federer indeed have, yet again, by far, an easiest draw out of top 4. It was just not part of the conversation there. So you missed the point.

And why was that discussion there in the first place?! Because you posted that nonsense about Federer having another cupcake draw and Djokovic had to play frikking Lapentti in the first round. As a fan of both Federer and Djokovic, there is no doubt in my mind that they both will crush their opponents in their quarter. But apparently you are not convinced of that, or maybe you are already going in defense mode if Federer would beat Djokovic, so you can claim that Federer had an easy draw and Djokovic was exhausted because of his superhuman efforts going through his own draw.

P_Agony
05-22-2009, 04:23 AM
OK, I'm not going to feed the troll, but rather go back to the OP.

Do any other Fed fans aside of myself actually want Djokovic and Federer to face each other in the semis?

Not only will that be an interesting, potentially great match, but also whoever wins this match passes a big test before facing Nadal in the final, thus giving him a better chance (Yes, unlike some other people I actually think haveing a big match in the semis helps you in the final, rather than makes you tired).

fps
05-22-2009, 04:26 AM
OK, I'm not going to feed the troll, but rather go back to the OP.

Do any other Fed fans aside of myself actually want Djokovic and Federer to face each other in the semis?

Not only will that be an interesting, potentially great match, but also whoever wins this match passes a big test before facing Nadal in the final, thus giving him a better chance (Yes, unlike some other people I actually think haveing a big match in the semis helps you in the final, rather than makes you tired).

i find myself rooting or the underdog, and i think federer will be the underdog in a match against djoko here, so i'll be supporting federer while liking both their games the most out of the top 4. i want them to face each other because it would be a great match.

if it goes on past 3 1/2 hours it'll take it out of them for sure, but like you i've never been convinced by the argument that playing less will help a player before a big match, because as i've mentioned they do a lot of training outside the matches they play during tournies- it's not like they leave everything on court every time. this is because *hitting* is different from being up to speed with the intensity of tournament play.

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:27 AM
Come on. Simon has been playing like utter crap recently. See his results in the world team cup? Apalling. Tsonga is about as good on clay as Roddick is. Ljubicic's run was halted by the first form player he faced. You think his 30 year old body will last 3 hours? His movement is already bad...

Ljubicic made 2 clay Masters QFs and also IW QF before that. No other player outside top 10 did that this year. That is what in-form means. And that is one tough opponent ATM.

It is funny that many people here do not realize that Ljubicic made it to 3 MS QFs this year and jumped on me when I said in-form Ljubicic.

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:29 AM
And why was that discussion there in the first place?! Because you posted that nonsense about Federer having another cupcake draw and Djokovic had to play frikking Lapentti in the first round. As a fan of both Federer and Djokovic, there is no doubt in my mind that they both will crush their opponents in their quarter. But apparently you are not convinced of that, or maybe you are already going in defense mode if Federer would beat Djokovic, so you can claim that Federer had an easy draw and Djokovic was exhausted because of his superhuman efforts going through his own draw.

Jeeez. This thread is about comparing draws. Nothing more. And that is what I did.
Djokovic got a tough draw and Federer got a quite easy draw. Why is it so hard for any Federer fan to admit that?

jelle v
05-22-2009, 04:30 AM
OK, I'm not going to feed the troll, but rather go back to the OP.

Do any other Fed fans aside of myself actually want Djokovic and Federer to face each other in the semis?

Not only will that be an interesting, potentially great match, but also whoever wins this match passes a big test before facing Nadal in the final, thus giving him a better chance (Yes, unlike some other people I actually think haveing a big match in the semis helps you in the final, rather than makes you tired).

Yes I wanted it too.. I'm curious who will be the better player at clay. In my mind, Federer's game matches up with Djokovic's game much better, so I think chances for Federer winning are 60 against 40 or so. Should Federer win Roland Garros (which I do not expect but very much hope so), it will be a very special victory, beating Djokovic and Nadal.

Another benefit in my mind, is that if Djokovic beats Federer, I think the final will be more interesting and harder for Nadal. Djokovic seems to match up just a little better against Nadal than Federer does. Unless of course, Federer is playing his absolute best, in that case I think Federer stands a better chance against Nadal.

tennisplaya
05-22-2009, 04:30 AM
I'm actually happy Novak is on Fed's side.

If Fedeer wins, it'll be the ultimate test before the final. He'll come more prepared, and it'll be harder for Nadal to surprise him.
If Federer losses, at least he avoid a 5th loss to Nadal on RG.

I'm hoping Federer shows top form (unlike last year, when he got to the final despite a crappy form).

You're happy because Federer gets to avoid his toughest opponent, Murray. From Federer's point of view A Murray semifinal would have been the ultimate test for Federer but Nole is the next best thing.

Roger Federer: The player I find hardest to beat is Andy Murray (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/tennis-news/2009/05/16/roger-federer-the-player-i-find-hardest-to-beat-is-andy-murray-86908-21363528/)

"Andy is the one I have had the most problems with. He is the one that is most difficult to beat. But I have never played him on clay yet so we will see."

Federer has a cakewalk 1/4 draw but is going to be in for a rude shock if he meets Nole in the semis.

thejoe
05-22-2009, 04:32 AM
Jeeez. This thread is about comparing draws. Nothing more. And that is what I did.
Djokovic got a tough draw and Federer got a quite easy draw. Why is it so hard for any Federer fan to admit that?

Or complaining in your case...

I won't admit it because I don't think it is true. In the "easiest draw" thread, I actually think that Nole and Fed have the easiest passages. I think they have it better than Muzza or Nadal. Why is it so hard for you to admit that Nole doesn't have it that tough? At any tournament?

jelle v
05-22-2009, 04:33 AM
Jeeez. This thread is about comparing draws. Nothing more. And that is what I did.
Djokovic got a tough draw and Federer got a quite easy draw. Why is it so hard for any Federer fan to admit that?

Because what you are saying isn't right.. Federer didn't get quite an easy draw. (Jeeez.)

GOD_BLESS_RAFA
05-22-2009, 04:33 AM
OK, I'm not going to feed the troll, but rather go back to the OP.

Do any other Fed fans aside of myself actually want Djokovic and Federer to face each other in the semis?

Not only will that be an interesting, potentially great match, but also whoever wins this match passes a big test before facing Nadal in the final, thus giving him a better chance (Yes, unlike some other people I actually think haveing a big match in the semis helps you in the final, rather than makes you tired).

yes the match of Federer and Djokovic on clay in this FO will be very interesting!! I can hardly wait for it to happen!

sureshs
05-22-2009, 04:33 AM
Nadal is going to pick up Slam #2 of his Calendar Slam with no effort at all with this draw.

Federer said Nadal has a chance to win the Calendar Slam this year.

Lendl said he is the heavy favorite for RG.

Courier said he hasn't seen anyone this strong since Borg.

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:34 AM
I'm saying that Federer doesn't have an easy draw.. that's something different, isn't it..

Federer in his draw, will (probably) face:

r1: Martin
r2: Acasuso
r3: Paul Henri Mathieu
r4: Bolelli or Berdych or Haas
r5: Roddick or Monfils

And while there is no doubt in my mind that Federer will win this, I wouldn't consider it an easy "quarter".

Come on. It couldn't get any easier than that on clay. Only decent opponent is PHM. Monfils is hurt and won't make it to QF, if he even plays at all.

thejoe
05-22-2009, 04:37 AM
I've said they both have it easier than the other two up until the quarters. What is so tough about this?

R1: Lapentti
R2: Dabul/Q
R3: Ljubicic/Ferrero/Kohlschreiber
R4: Robredo/Fish/Seppi

Gen
05-22-2009, 04:38 AM
One of the methods to roughly evaluate the quarters is simple arithmetic: sum up the rankings of all seeds in the quarters, the biggest number will show that the lowest-ranking players are seeded in this particular quarter, and vice versa.

Djok's quarter: 127
Murray's quarter: 128
Nadal's quarter: 129
Federer's quarter: 134

Federer has the lowest-ranking quarter.

The other criterion is specialization in terms of surfaces.

The four top-ranked players in Djok's quarter are:
Del Potro - 5
Tsonga - 9
Robredo - 16
Tursunov - 21.
Tsonga and Tursunov are no good on clay, but Del Potro and Robredo are. Plus Monaco who is having a good season and has always been a threat on clay.

The four top-ranked players in Murray's quarter are:
Simon - 7
Gonzalez - 12
Cilic - 13
Safin - 20
Neither of them is a clay court specialist, they are not bad, but not good either.

The four top-ranked players in Nadal's quarter are:
Verdasco - 8
Davydenko - 10
Ferrer - 14
Wawrinka - 17.
All of them are good clay courters.

The four top-ranked players in Federer's quarter are:
Roddick - 6
Monfils - 11
Blake - 15
Berdych - 19
Roddick and Blake are clay nobodies. Monfils is injured. Don't know about Berdych. For me he is a hard courter.

Federer has the weakest quarter. But once again, Djok's excellent presence makes up for it.

jelle v
05-22-2009, 04:39 AM
Come on. It couldn't get any easier that that on clay. Only decent opponent is PHM. Monfils is hurt and won't make it to QF, if he even plays at all.

*Sigh* It's clear to me that you will do everything possible to burn Federer. Everything is easy for Federer, he has tons of luck with his draws, he is an arrogant ******* and Djokovic gets screwed time and again with his draws. That's pretty much what you post on this forum. You exaggerate everything.. everything with you is black and white, there is no middle way.

mandy01
05-22-2009, 04:40 AM
Come on. It couldn't get any easier than that on clay. Only decent opponent is PHM. Monfils is hurt and won't make it to QF, if he even plays at all. Why do you insist that everyone should agree with you? Really,you make it hard for people to ignore you.You come and rant about cupcake draw once then you go on like a broken record about it and hitting out Federer fans saying "why cant they admit. ...." why should we??
Argument is OK..You pretty much force your opinion on people.
Relax.If you think the draw is easy so be it.Dont expect others to think like you.

PS-I can bet right now that your response to my post will have you calling me fresh green troll,hypocrite and all that but I'll take risk. :lol:

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:40 AM
I've said they both have it easier than the other two up until the quarters. What is so tough about this?

R1: Lapentti
R2: Dabul/Q
R3: Ljubicic/Ferrero/Kohlschreiber
R4: Robredo/Fish/Seppi
QF: DelPotro/Monaco

Tough 1st, 3rd rounds and QF. OTOH Fed will not have a tough opponent before SF at all. That is guaranteed by the draw.

Also Murray's quarter is easier than Novak's.

thejoe
05-22-2009, 04:43 AM
QF: DelPotro/Monaco

Tough 1st, 3rd rounds and QF. OTOH Fed will not have a tough opponent before SF at all. That is guaranteed by the draw.

Also Murray's quarter is easier than Novak's.

No it isn't.

Nole's first round IS NOT TOUGH! How can you seriously believe that Lapennti is a tough opponent? 3rd round is not tough, and neither is 4th. Fish or Seppi? Are you kidding me? I said up until the quarters. Monfils was last years semi-finalist. He is just as good on the stuff as DelPo.

Leonidas
05-22-2009, 04:43 AM
One of the methods to roughly evaluate the quarters is simple arythmetic: sum up the rankings of all seeds in the quarters, the biggest number will show that the lowest-ranking players are seeded in this particular quarter, and vice versa.

Djok's quarter: 127
Murray's quarter: 128
Nadal's quarter: 129
Federer's quarter: 134

Federer has the lowest-ranking quarter.

The other criterion is specialization in terms of surfaces.

The four top-ranked players in Djok's quarter are:
Del Potro - 5
Tsonga - 9
Robredo - 16
Tursunov - 21.
Tsonga and Tursunov are no good on clay, but Del Potro and Robredo are. Plus Monaco who is having a good season and has always been a threat on clay.

The four top-ranked players in Murray's quarter are:
Simon - 7
Gonzalez - 12
Cilic - 13
Safin - 20
Neither of them is a clay court specialist, they are not bad, but not good either.

The four top-ranked players in Nadal's quarter are:
Verdasco - 8
Davydenko - 10
Ferrer - 14
Wawrinka - 17.
All of them are good clay courters.

The four top-ranked players in Federer's quarter are:
Roddick - 6
Monfils - 11
Blake - 15
Berdych - 19
Roddick and Blake are clay nobodies. Monfils is injured. Don't know about Berdych. For me he is a hard courter.

Federer has the weakest quarter. But once again, Djok's excellent presence makes up for it.
THE BEST POST SO FAR.

Plus: List of players who can at leat trouble federer on clay:

Monfils (is injured)

Ferrer

Simon?

Nadal

Djokovic

Murray

davydenko

Verdasco

Wawrinka

Monaco

Gonzalez


None of them in his half, except Monfils who is injured, so YES, THAT´S AN EASY DRAW, AND I DON´T BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES, BUT FACTS ARE FACTS

fps
05-22-2009, 04:44 AM
Ljubicic made 2 clay Masters QFs and also IW QF before that. No other player outside top 10 did that this year. That is what in-form means. And that is one tough opponent ATM.

It is funny that many people here do not realize that Ljubicic made it to 3 MS QF this year and jumped on me when I said in-form Ljubicic.

indian wells- beat simon, who is in no form and not performing to his ranking, and an andreev who has blown completely hot and cold recently. verdict: not a threat to djokovic who is leagues above those guys.

monte carlo- beat del potro who looked like bambi on ice (has since shown signs of improvement). beat bolelli, not a superstar. verdict: federer playing bolelli may be easier than djokovic playing ljubicic. according to seedings fed will be playing berdych. djokovic should be playing kohlschreiber, so ljubicic's form *may* not factor into novak's draw at all.

madrid- beat tsonga (so bad on clay that freefalling simon took him out at indian wells), then simon again, then lost very comfortably to novak.

verdict- ljubicic has taken advantage of favourable draws by playing well against opponents who are not at the highest level on this surface nor in good form. he lost comfortably to djokovic recently and there is no suggestion that he will be a problem in terms of hours on court or an upset should he meet djokovic.

i realise there are plenty of other people this could be applied to in both men's quarters, but that's because novak and roger are flat-out better players.

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:45 AM
*Sigh* It's clear to me that you will do everything possible to burn Federer. Everything is easy for Federer, he has tons of luck with his draws, he is an arrogant ******* and Djokovic gets screwed time and again with his draws. That's pretty much what you post on this forum. You exaggerate everything.. everything with you is black and white, there is no middle way.

No, I am just calling it as it is. Federer got an easy draw here.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 04:46 AM
So Lapentti's TOUGH AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lapentti on clay will be no match for Novak. Why is he so tough? I already told you how Novak still made the SF last yr despite losing a set in the 1st rnd. LUBICIC???? Kohlscrieber is a lot tougher on clay, and Djokovic owns Ljubicic. And its impossible to say as of right now if DelPot or Monaco will even get that far. You really are making stretches now.

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:46 AM
One of the methods to roughly evaluate the quarters is simple arythmetic: sum up the rankings of all seeds in the quarters, the biggest number will show that the lowest-ranking players are seeded in this particular quarter, and vice versa.

Djok's quarter: 127
Murray's quarter: 128
Nadal's quarter: 129
Federer's quarter: 134

Federer has the lowest-ranking quarter.

The other criterion is specialization in terms of surfaces.

The four top-ranked players in Djok's quarter are:
Del Potro - 5
Tsonga - 9
Robredo - 16
Tursunov - 21.
Tsonga and Tursunov are no good on clay, but Del Potro and Robredo are. Plus Monaco who is having a good season and has always been a threat on clay.

The four top-ranked players in Murray's quarter are:
Simon - 7
Gonzalez - 12
Cilic - 13
Safin - 20
Neither of them is a clay court specialist, they are not bad, but not good either.

The four top-ranked players in Nadal's quarter are:
Verdasco - 8
Davydenko - 10
Ferrer - 14
Wawrinka - 17.
All of them are good clay courters.

The four top-ranked players in Federer's quarter are:
Roddick - 6
Monfils - 11
Blake - 15
Berdych - 19
Roddick and Blake are clay nobodies. Monfils is injured. Don't know about Berdych. For me he is a hard courter.

Federer has the weakest quarter. But once again, Djok's excellent presence makes up for it.

Very nice analysis. Thanks.

Andres
05-22-2009, 04:46 AM
Lapentti on clay is a tough 1st round opponent. Toughest than what other 3 top 4 have to face in the first.
Tell that to Murray, facing Chela R1, mmkay?

Leonidas
05-22-2009, 04:46 AM
OK my bad, djoko is in his half, which is the only bad thing in his draw, being mathieu the only decent clay courter he´ll have to face ;)

thejoe
05-22-2009, 04:46 AM
No, I am just calling it as it is. Federer got an easy draw here.

You are calling it as you want to see it. Not how it is. Federer did not get an easy draw. It wasn't horrible, but it is just as hard as Nole's. You make Nole sound crap the way you whinge about every draw he gets. I bet he is really pleased with his draw.

Cyan
05-22-2009, 04:46 AM
Fed's quarter is a joke for sure. But he has Nole in his half. He would have preferred Murray for sure. Chances are Murray loses before the Sf anyway.

Underhand
05-22-2009, 04:48 AM
But where is Donald Young?

fps
05-22-2009, 04:48 AM
just had a look at djokovic's draw. his and federer's are as easy/hard as each other's.

iriraz
05-22-2009, 04:48 AM
I see Haas is playing Pavel.I thought Pavel retired.Isn`t he davis cup captain?

jelle v
05-22-2009, 04:50 AM
No, I am just calling it as it is. Federer got an easy draw here.

No you are not calling it as it is.. Federer didn't get an easy draw imo. He didn't get a tough draw, but he certainly didn't get an easy draw. You are just exaggerating to burn Federer. It's ok, I will let the argument go after this post.

Cyan
05-22-2009, 04:50 AM
Federer has a cakewalk 1/4 draw but is going to be in for a rude shock if he meets Nole in the semis.

That's the problem for Fed. He won't be tested before the SF and this could lead to a loss. :shock:

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 04:52 AM
Fed's draw is a big joke.Nadal and Djokovic's quarters contain more established claycourters,but i hope both should come through.

gj011
05-22-2009, 04:56 AM
No you are not calling it as it is.. Federer didn't get an easy draw imo. He didn't get a tough draw, but he certainly didn't get an easy draw. You are just exaggerating to burn Federer. It's ok, I will let the argument go after this post.

No I am not exaggerating anything. Fed has a joke of a draw IMO. Novak's is way harder than Fed's and harder than Murray's.

mandy01
05-22-2009, 04:56 AM
its pretty much the same story every GS-*******s claiming Roger has a joke of a draw ( wonder how many can actually pick up a racquet and play through the draw :roll:)
To me its just creating a safe zone..if in case,by a miracle should Nadal even be pushed in RG,the argument comes handy -"My tragic hero had a tough draw so he was pushed,unlike that lucky bloke Fed who gets cupcakes everytime !"
Pathetic...

thejoe
05-22-2009, 04:57 AM
No I am not exaggerating anything. Fed has a joke of a draw IMO. Novak's is way harder than Fed's and harder than Murray's.

It isn't. If Fed has a joke of a draw, then Nole's is equally as hilarious. Murray has a tough draw.

Cyan
05-22-2009, 04:58 AM
It isn't. If Fed has a joke of a draw, then Nole's is equally as hilarious. Murray has a tough draw.

On clay any draw is tough for Murray. Like on indoors any draw is tough for Rafa.

fps
05-22-2009, 04:59 AM
It isn't. If Fed has a joke of a draw, then Nole's is equally as hilarious. Murray has a tough draw.

yeah but if you put in "federer" or "djokovic" instead of "murray" it suddenly looks like a pretty easy draw....

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 05:00 AM
But where is Donald Young?

yes.. where is he? and where are all the lost souls? the poets and the bandits... the...


i get carried away with these life defining questions!!!

oh the sad life of a Youngtard..

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 05:01 AM
A repeat of the Madrid draw for Federer, with Blake and Roddick in his quarter.What a big joke!!!Except this time a Djokovic awaits in the semis.

Cyan
05-22-2009, 05:01 AM
BTW, Roddick in Fed's quarter is a joke.

jelle v
05-22-2009, 05:02 AM
BTW, Roddick in Fed's quarter is a joke.

Why is that a joke?

icedevil0289
05-22-2009, 05:02 AM
OK, I'm not going to feed the troll, but rather go back to the OP.

Do any other Fed fans aside of myself actually want Djokovic and Federer to face each other in the semis?

Not only will that be an interesting, potentially great match, but also whoever wins this match passes a big test before facing Nadal in the final, thus giving him a better chance (Yes, unlike some other people I actually think haveing a big match in the semis helps you in the final, rather than makes you tired).

I'm excited, but at the same time very nervous. I keep flashing back to the rome match. I hope it goes nothing like that. Based on recent form, I would favor nole, but I hope fed brings his best.

on another note, wow there is a lot of whining going on. You would think people would just be happy that nole is finally in fed's half.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 05:02 AM
yes.. where is he? and where are all the lost souls? the poets and the bandits... the...


i get carried away with these life defining questions!!!

oh the sad life of a Youngtard..

I LOLed at this! YOUNGTARDS OF THE WORLD! UNITE! TODAY IS OUR DAY!

(silence)

Cyan
05-22-2009, 05:03 AM
Why is that a joke?

That also Blake is there. LOL.

jelle v
05-22-2009, 05:05 AM
That also Blake is there. LOL.

Why is it a joke that Roddick and Blake are in Fed's half? They shouldn't be in that half or someting?

Cyan
05-22-2009, 05:05 AM
Why is it a joke that Roddick and Blake are in Fed's half? They shouldn't be in that half or someting?

Pft. You shouldnt even ask.

The-Champ
05-22-2009, 05:07 AM
I don't care about the draws as long as the top 4 make it to the semis and show up with their very best form.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 05:09 AM
I don't care about the draws as long as the top 4 make it to the semis and show up with their very best form.
Me too but some players have it easier than others,which is not fair.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 05:11 AM
If you're that good, you make life easy for yourself. You play whoever is in front of you. Don't complain about the draw, at least until the tourney starts. Just hope scheduling and the weather doesn't make all of this irrelevant.

bolo
05-22-2009, 05:11 AM
One of the methods to roughly evaluate the quarters is simple arithmetic: sum up the rankings of all seeds in the quarters, the biggest number will show that the lowest-ranking players are seeded in this particular quarter, and vice versa.

Djok's quarter: 127
Murray's quarter: 128
Nadal's quarter: 129
Federer's quarter: 134

Federer has the lowest-ranking quarter.

The other criterion is specialization in terms of surfaces.

The four top-ranked players in Djok's quarter are:
Del Potro - 5
Tsonga - 9
Robredo - 16
Tursunov - 21.
Tsonga and Tursunov are no good on clay, but Del Potro and Robredo are. Plus Monaco who is having a good season and has always been a threat on clay.

The four top-ranked players in Murray's quarter are:
Simon - 7
Gonzalez - 12
Cilic - 13
Safin - 20
Neither of them is a clay court specialist, they are not bad, but not good either.

The four top-ranked players in Nadal's quarter are:
Verdasco - 8
Davydenko - 10
Ferrer - 14
Wawrinka - 17.
All of them are good clay courters.

The four top-ranked players in Federer's quarter are:
Roddick - 6
Monfils - 11
Blake - 15
Berdych - 19
Roddick and Blake are clay nobodies. Monfils is injured. Don't know about Berdych. For me he is a hard courter.

Federer has the weakest quarter. But once again, Djok's excellent presence makes up for it.

good post.

Top 3 on clay are better than everyone else by far, which means that the guy who get's djokovic takes a big hit-which is federer. Looking forward to that match.

After that everyone would be willing to switch with federer. Murray/Safin, that should be interesting and then maybe we will get a nadal/safin on clay which would be really fun. :)

fps
05-22-2009, 05:11 AM
Me too but some players have it easier than others,which is not fair.

1) there is no way a draw can be completely "fair". different players have different abilities and represent different challenges depending on who they play.
2) how do you know it's not fair? you've not seen one ball struck in anger yet. the top 4 (3 on clay) may show awesome consistency but there are some dangerous lower ranked players who can perform out of their skin on any given day.
3) who do you think has the hardest/ easiest draw, and why? please answer the second half.

bolo
05-22-2009, 05:12 AM
yes.. where is he? and where are all the lost souls? the poets and the bandits... the...


i get carried away with these life defining questions!!!

oh the sad life of a Youngtard..


lol. 10 char. :)

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 05:13 AM
Why is it a joke that Roddick and Blake are in Fed's half? They shouldn't be in that half or someting?

you dont get the joke in roddick and blake? you have no sense of humour. ill tell you a few jokes too:

Mecir... hahaha hilarious

Lendl... sooo funny

Hrbaty...o my god... im killing here..

:)

bolo
05-22-2009, 05:16 AM
Ljubcic was a top 5 guy at one point, but he was never dangerous at the slams, don't think he ever made a final. He is another guy who's best stroke off the ground is his backhand which is tough to win slams with according to wilander.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 05:18 AM
1) there is no way a draw can be completely "fair". different players have different abilities and represent different challenges depending on who they play.
2) how do you know it's not fair? you've not seen one ball struck in anger yet. the top 4 (3 on clay) may show awesome consistency but there are some dangerous lower ranked players who can perform out of their skin on any given day.
3) who do you think has the hardest/ easiest draw, and why? please answer the second half.

Fed has the easiest draw with Blake(1/8) and Roddick(1/4).These guys are mugs on clay.Besides Fed's h2h with them is like 1000-3.
Nadal on the other hand has the toughest clay courts specialists in his draw:Verdasco,Ferrer,Almagro and Gonzo.
Fed couldn't have asked for a better draw than this one.

tennisplaya
05-22-2009, 05:20 AM
I'm saying that Federer doesn't have an easy draw.. that's something different, isn't it..

Federer in his draw, will (probably) face:

r1: Martin
r2: Acasuso
r3: Paul Henri Mathieu
r4: Bolelli or Berdych or Haas
r5: Roddick or Monfils

And while there is no doubt in my mind that Federer will win this, I wouldn't consider it an easy "quarter".

Are you serious?

Maritn - has this guy ever beaten anyone in the top 50?
Acasuso- hasn't beaten anyone in 7 or 8 tournaments
Mathieu, 1 decent win in his last 7 tournaments.(1 win vs anyone in the top 60 in 7 tournaments)
Bolelli or Berdych or Haas- have never done anything on clay
Roddick or Monfils - Roddick is a pathetic (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=0&player=R485&selTournament=520&prevtrnnum=0) on the Roland Garros clay, expect a r1 or r2 exit, and Monfils is crippled.

Did you mean you have no doubts he will win his 1/4? I have no doubts he will beat those easybeats either.

joeri888
05-22-2009, 05:21 AM
the second sixteenth is gonna provide good matches with Davydenko, Verdasco and Wawrinka in there.

joeri888
05-22-2009, 05:25 AM
Fed has the easiest draw with Blake(1/8) and Roddick(1/4).These guys are mugs on clay.Besides Fed's h2h with them is like 1000-3.
Nadal on the other hand has the toughest clay courts specialists in his draw:Verdasco,Ferrer,Almagro and Gonzo.
Fed couldn't have asked for a better draw than this one.

I'd fully agree if you would put Murray in Novak's place and vice versa, now it's still kinda tough for Federer. I've seen his tough draws, i've seen his easy draws. At grandslams he'll ALWAYS make the final weekend.

mandy01
05-22-2009, 05:27 AM
I'd fully agree if you would put Murray in Novak's place and vice versa, now it's still kinda tough for Federer. I've seen his tough draws, i've seen his easy draws. At grandslams he'll ALWAYS make the final weekend. Thats not a given but so far that has been the case which is certainly true.

fps
05-22-2009, 05:27 AM
Fed has the easiest draw with Blake(1/8) and Roddick(1/4).These guys are mugs on clay.Besides Fed's h2h with them is like 1000-3.
Nadal on the other hand has the toughest clay courts specialists in his draw:Verdasco,Ferrer,Almagro and Gonzo.
Fed couldn't have asked for a better draw than this one.

first, i think it's very unlikely federer will play blake.

second, i think there are two different logics going on. H2H is part of a logic that places the player we're talking about INSIDE the draw. that is, "federer's done well against X before, so...". but just because he's done well again him before doesn't make, say, roddick, EASY to beat. it just means federer plays well against him. the head-to-head does not HELP federer, it is just a REFLECTION on the fact that he plays well against him. so, roddick might be a tougher matchup were he to play djokovic, for instance. but you're giving federer NO CREDIT for the way he's repeatedly come up with the goods against a dangerous player.

here is the flaw on in your H2H logic. while you say "oh federer's 1000-3 against these guys", you fail to acknowledge nadal's utter supremacy over the people you flag up as "good" claycourt players. so federer playing roddick is "easy" because he has a great head to head with him, but nadal's matches are "difficult" because these guys do moderately well when NOT playing nadal. it's an in-built logic block, imo, and it has an in-built bias.

P_Agony
05-22-2009, 05:34 AM
You're happy because Federer gets to avoid his toughest opponent, Murray. From Federer's point of view A Murray semifinal would have been the ultimate test for Federer but Nole is the next best thing.

Roger Federer: The player I find hardest to beat is Andy Murray (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/tennis-news/2009/05/16/roger-federer-the-player-i-find-hardest-to-beat-is-andy-murray-86908-21363528/)

"Andy is the one I have had the most problems with. He is the one that is most difficult to beat. But I have never played him on clay yet so we will see."

Federer has a cakewalk 1/4 draw but is going to be in for a rude shock if he meets Nole in the semis.

Murray? On clay? You're kidding right?

First, Andy Murray has yet to even reach a final in an important clay tourny, let alone win one.
Second, Andy Murray has yet to beat Federer on a major, something that Novak has already done.

I like Murray more than I like Djokovic, but Djokovic is the far better and more dangerous clayer of the two.

Sentinel
05-22-2009, 05:34 AM
Rigged !!!!

Cakewalk for Fed and tough draw for Nadal !

mandy01
05-22-2009, 05:37 AM
Rigged !!!!

Cakewalk for Fed and tough draw for Nadal ! Exactly..How arrogant would he have to be to make sure the draw is rigged! :evil:

P_Agony
05-22-2009, 05:37 AM
I'm excited, but at the same time very nervous. I keep flashing back to the rome match. I hope it goes nothing like that. Based on recent form, I would favor nole, but I hope fed brings his best.

on another note, wow there is a lot of whining going on. You would think people would just be happy that nole is finally in fed's half.

It's a major, that'll be the difference. Fed almost always shows up when it's important. I think he doesn't care that much about all the Masters. Even in Madrid, I think he was more happy to beat Nadal than to win the title there.

fps
05-22-2009, 05:38 AM
Rigged !!!!

Cakewalk for Fed and tough draw for Nadal !

and they give fed easy draws at every grand slam he defends, and nadal difficult ones when he's defending champion, because...?

Kramerica
05-22-2009, 05:54 AM
The stupidity of some of the users here (and yes, I'm referring to you gj) is horrendous.

PimpMyGame
05-22-2009, 05:55 AM
One of the methods to roughly evaluate the quarters is simple arithmetic: sum up the rankings of all seeds in the quarters, the biggest number will show that the lowest-ranking players are seeded in this particular quarter, and vice versa.

Djok's quarter: 127
Murray's quarter: 128
Nadal's quarter: 129
Federer's quarter: 134

Federer has the lowest-ranking quarter.

I like this post too - all of it, not just the bit I quoted. However, for me the logic falls down a little when you have one of the top 4 who is not as proficient on a type of surface. Murray in this instance has the 2nd most difficult draw after Djokovic but I don't think that will allow him to sleep easy before RG. He'd do extremely well to get to the quarters whereas you'd expect Djokovic to go deep as he's a pretty good clay courter.

If you put this to the test at say the USO you may be onto a winner.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 05:59 AM
Didn't Fed play Gasquet in the 1st of Wimby 1 yr?

and they give fed easy draws at every grand slam he defends, and nadal difficult ones when he's defending champion, because...?

fps
05-22-2009, 05:59 AM
I like this post too - all of it, not just the bit I quoted. However, for me the logic falls down a little when you have one of the top 4 who is not as proficient on a type of surface. Murray in this instance has the 2nd most difficult draw after Djokovic but I don't think that will allow him to sleep easy before RG. He'd do extremely well to get to the quarters whereas you'd expect Djokovic to go deep as he's a pretty good clay courter.

If you put this to the test at say the USO you may be onto a winner.

the other problem is surface-specifics- on clay the unseeded Monaco is a tougher proposition than 9th seeded Tsonga. where does that leave the system?

fps
05-22-2009, 06:00 AM
Didn't Fed play Gasquet in the 1st of Wimby 1 yr?

yes but it's hopeless. people comb these random patterns for meaning like they're living in the Library of Babel

Cyan
05-22-2009, 06:00 AM
............................

Blade0324
05-22-2009, 06:07 AM
It looks to me like the draws are pretty nice overall. Should make for some pretty good matches. I just hope that Monfils is healthy enough to take Fed out before he gets to Nole.

Blade0324
05-22-2009, 06:08 AM
deleted, duplicate post.

DragonBlaze
05-22-2009, 06:11 AM
It looks to me like the draws are pretty nice overall. Should make for some pretty good matches. I just hope that Monfils is healthy enough to take Fed out before he gets to Nole.

WHAT?????????? Why in the world would you want that??? Why would you not want a potentially exciting match to happen??? WHY???

I mean, most sane Fed and Djoko fans want BOTH of them to make the semi to see how this plays out. I know I sure do.

kimizz
05-22-2009, 06:16 AM
I was suprised that Djoko is in Feds draw, the whole clay season I was sort of afraid that if Djokovic drops to 4th, Rafa will play him in the semis again. As a Rafa fan I take this event happily :)

I know it seems questionable but is there any rule that #1 and #4 are always in the same half of the draw? In the end rankings change and lottery is always lottery...last year it was nr1 and nr4 in the same half, now its nr1 and nr3.

Had this happened last year, nr1 and nr3 in the same half of the draw ppl would have had this same discussion...why is djoko in Federers draw? Its all lottery!

vtmike
05-22-2009, 06:16 AM
WHAT?????????? Why in the world would you want that??? Why would you not want a potentially exciting match to happen??? WHY???

I mean, most sane Fed and Djoko fans want BOTH of them to make the semi to see how this plays out. I know I sure do.

Those are the key words! The answer to your question...

drakulie
05-22-2009, 06:21 AM
Wow!!! I just realized Nadal is going to have to play matches. How is he going to get thru all of them, being he is so exhasuted already (see madrid).

This news definitely makes Nadal's draw the toughest.

skip1969
05-22-2009, 06:22 AM
nothing . . . and i mean nothing could stop some people from b*tching about draws on this board. some of the most ridiculous whining comes from draws. good thing some of you weren't around when there were only 16 seeds at the slams, and potential roadblocks for the top seeds showed up in the first or second rounds. you wouldn't know what to do with yourselves.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 06:24 AM
Wow!!! I just realized Nadal is going to have to play matches. How is he going to get thru all of them, being he is so exhasuted already (see madrid).

This news definitely makes Nadal's draw the toughest.

Hey, let's just hope Fed doesn't break a nail carrying his man purse onto court, if you wanna take cheap shots and such. Seriously, I'm getting tired of your crap posts polluting these boards.

DragonBlaze
05-22-2009, 06:24 AM
Those are the key words! The answer to your question...

I know. It just doesnt make any sense to say that if you're a fan of good tennis. I mean until unless he/she HONESTLY believes a Monfils/Djokovic showdown would be more exciting (which even if you like Monfils style better than Federer's, it really wouldn't, Djokovic would most likely destroy him, where as if Federer and Djokovic show up with their best games and none of this choking crap - it's GAME ON!!!)

I mean even gj011 has to agree with me here (not that Im saying anything bad by going EVEN, just trying to emphasise the point, dont kill me gj011 :)). Surely he wants a Fed/Djoko semifinal as well!

PimpMyGame
05-22-2009, 06:25 AM
I was suprised that Djoko is in Feds draw, the whole clay season I was sort of afraid that if Djokovic drops to 4th, Rafa will play him in the semis again. As a Rafa fan I take this event happily :)

I know it seems questionable but is there any rule that #1 and #4 are always in the same half of the draw? In the end rankings change and lottery is always lottery...last year it was nr1 and nr4 in the same half, now its nr1 and nr3.

Had this happened last year, nr1 and nr3 in the same half of the draw ppl would have had this same discussion...why is djoko in Federers draw? Its all lottery!

All slams "draw lots" to see whose side the 3rd and 4th seeds are in. This is the right thing to do, as you could have a strong number 4 who never gets further up the rankings due to a great number 1, whereas 2 and 3 may not be so strong but always avoid the number 4 in the semis. This will be more interesting if Murray or Djoko overtake Federer in the 2009 rankings. We then get a 50/50 chance of a Fed/Nadal SF for the first time in a long time.

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 06:26 AM
Wow!!! I just realized Nadal is going to have to play matches. How is he going to get thru all of them, being he is so exhasuted already (see madrid).

This news definitely makes Nadal's draw the toughest.

not only... he got the bad luck to face Qualifier in the first round.. did you see the last performances of this Qualifier? he has an amazing clay game and a powerfull serve...

qualifier has the potential to be a 3\5 slams winner!

CyBorg
05-22-2009, 06:27 AM
Cakewalk draw for Nadal.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 06:28 AM
Hey, let's just hope Fed doesn't break a nail carrying his man purse onto court, if you wanna take cheap shots and such. Seriously, I'm getting tired of your crap posts polluting these boards.

That proves you have never opened a thread in the tennis equipment section...

mandy01
05-22-2009, 06:28 AM
Wow!!! I just realized Nadal is going to have to play matches. How is he going to get thru all of them, being he is so exhasuted already (see madrid).

This news definitely makes Nadal's draw the toughest. Of course...
Rafi is sooooo exhausted from playing in that altitude,no?! He needed quite a few bottles of oxygen....
But you see Rafi at the same time is so heroic , no?! He'll fight them all,excpet Bond( if he plays,this is)... :cool:
Roger on the other hand is such a diva! He asks for cupcakes instead of draws and prances around playing ping pong most of the time :evil:

Jchurch
05-22-2009, 06:32 AM
Fed still has Roddick though:).

But Nadal has Gaudio =)

drakulie
05-22-2009, 06:34 AM
That proves you have never opened a thread in the tennis equipment section...

or read the thousands upon thosands of posts by Nadal_Freak/Veroniquem making excuse after excuse. You would think such a bright and observant (cough) poster such as himself would have seen at least one of these thousands of posts.


Of course...
Rafi is sooooo exhausted from playing in that altitude,no?! He needed quite a few bottles of oxygen....
But you see Rafi at the same time is so heroic , no?! He'll fight them all,excpet Bond( if he plays,this is)... :cool:
Roger on the other hand is such a diva! He asks for cupcakes instead of draws and prances around playing ping pong most of the time :evil:

Federer is so arrogant. :)

drakulie
05-22-2009, 06:36 AM
Hey, let's just hope Fed doesn't break a nail carrying his man purse onto court, if you wanna take cheap shots and such. Seriously, I'm getting tired of your crap posts polluting these boards.


Try the ignore function.

Thanks, and have a blessed day.

marc45
05-22-2009, 06:52 AM
Cakewalk draw for Nadal.going through ferrer and verdasco just to get to the semis, i don't think so...i think davydenko is in there too....these are formidable mid-tournament matches

lawrence
05-22-2009, 07:00 AM
i have a feeling every tennis player watched that nadal vs fed match and now theyre going to just try slamming it to nadals backhand
not that it wasnt obvious already but yeah

LurkingGod
05-22-2009, 07:11 AM
i have a feeling every tennis player watched that nadal vs fed match and now theyre going to just try slamming it to nadals backhand
not that it wasnt obvious already but yeah

You mean before they didn't?:confused:

oscar_2424
05-22-2009, 07:18 AM
Federer's draw is a joke, he'll make the SF, then djokovic will punish him.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 07:24 AM
Federer's draw is a joke, he'll make the SF, then djokovic will punish him.

Why is he going to dance with nipple tassles & get oiled up by an old woman during the match? That would be punishment indeed...Hopefully it will inspire Fed to get the match over with that much quicker! :D

babbette
05-22-2009, 07:32 AM
woot woot, let the games begin! Que sera sera. Unless Rafa plans to marry me, I shouldn't let myself get so emotionally involved in RG anymore.


Kidding.

sh@de
05-22-2009, 07:39 AM
Fed does not have an easier draw than Nole... they're both ok...

zagor
05-22-2009, 07:51 AM
So Djokovic is on Fed's half 4 times in a row in grand slams now,what are the chances of that happening? And it just happens that when Novak had 3 MPs against Nadal on clay that he ends up on the opposite side in FO.Definitely a conspiracy to help Nadal win FO :)

Jack the Hack
05-22-2009, 08:05 AM
My only opinion on the draw is that if Federer wants to win the French, he's going to have to earn it. If he wins this year, I want to see him beat Djokovic in the semis and Nadal in the final so that there is no doubt that he is the best.

Aside from that, one question:

There were news stories just yesterday saying that Tursunov was withdrawing due to a heel injury:

Isner pulls out of French Open
May 21, 2:15 pm EDT

PARIS (AP)—John Isner of the United States pulled out of the French Open on Thursday because of illness.

The 114th-ranked Isner earned a wild card for Roland Garros by winning a qualifying event held by the U.S. Tennis Association. The USTA returned the wild-card slot to the French federation, which handed it to the 310th-ranked Romain Jouan of France.

Isner, who lives in Tampa, Fla., led Georgia to the 2007 NCAA tennis championship.

Also out of the French Open are No. 23 Dmitry Tursunov of Russia and No. 38 Mario Ancic of Croatia. Tursunov has a heel injury, while Ancic pulled out Thursday because of a lack of fitness.

Tursunov hasn’t played on tour since losing to Andy Roddick in the third round at Key Biscayne, Fla., in late March.

The draw for the year’s second Grand Slam tournament is Friday. Play begins Sunday.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/news;_ylt=AlhcAq7IUw34RuLsFnmkaKQ4v7YF?slug=ap-frenchopen-withdrawals&prov=ap&type=lgns

However, he's in the draw now... anybody know the story there? Is he just flying to Paris to pick up the paycheck? (15,000 Euros for a 1st round loser.)

VivalaVida
05-22-2009, 08:06 AM
Can't wait! Especially fed vs Nole. I wanna see who is the better player on clay. I hope know irrelevant circumstances play a role this time.

drakulie
05-22-2009, 08:15 AM
My only opinion on the draw is that if Federer wants to win the French, he's going to have to earn it. If he wins this year, I want to see him beat Djokovic in the semis and Nadal in the final so that there is no doubt that he is the best.




I think he should have to qualify first, and along the way beat the following:

Tsonga
Davydenko
Verdasco
Simon
Roddick
Delpotro
Murray
Joker
NadalHe will also have to beat all of them on the same day, because he shouldnt' get a day's break, and this will avoid any talk about conspiracy related to scheduling.

Then, he has to travel back in time and beat Laver, Borg, Vilas, Guga, Courier, and Lendl.

Also, please keep in mind, if any of the above players are injured, tired, exhausted, sun was in their eyes, or weren't playing well, the match doesn't count and he has to do it over again the next day.

bolo
05-22-2009, 08:23 AM
I think he should have to qualify first, and along the way beat the following:

Tsonga
Davydenko
Verdasco
Simon
Roddick
Delpotro
Murray
Joker
NadalHe will also have to beat all of them on the same day, because he shouldnt' get a day's break, and this will avoid any talk about conspiracy related to scheduling.

Then, he has to travel back in time and beat Laver, Borg, Vilas, Guga, Courier, and Lendl.

Also, please keep in mind, if any of the above players are injured, tired, exhausted, sun was in their eyes, or weren't playing well, the match doesn't count and he has to do it over again the next day.

Impossible for federer, but an interesting porposition for a well rested nadal. To totally even the odds I think we would have to reduce rafa to one serve. If he is still dominating we might have to let the other guy have one or two of the doubles alleys.

tennisplaya
05-22-2009, 08:32 AM
Roger Federer's reaction to finding out that Nole is his semi final draw::lol:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_F4KZjiTUwP0/Rail5Jx-hVI/AAAAAAAABLo/BWup77f27rk/s320/RogerKooyong.jpg

CyBorg
05-22-2009, 08:34 AM
going through ferrer and verdasco just to get to the semis, i don't think so...i think davydenko is in there too....these are formidable mid-tournament matches

Ferrer and Verdasco? Won't take a set against Nadal.

tudwell
05-22-2009, 08:37 AM
Ferrer and Verdasco? Won't take a set against Nadal.

Maybe if they teamed up against him, 2 on 1. And they got to hit into the doubles allies. And he could only serve underhanded. Maybe.

Jack the Hack
05-22-2009, 08:38 AM
I think he should have to qualify first, and along the way beat the following:

Tsonga
Davydenko
Verdasco
Simon
Roddick
Delpotro
Murray
Joker
NadalHe will also have to beat all of them on the same day, because he shouldnt' get a day's break, and this will avoid any talk about conspiracy related to scheduling.

Then, he has to travel back in time and beat Laver, Borg, Vilas, Guga, Courier, and Lendl.

Also, please keep in mind, if any of the above players are injured, tired, exhausted, sun was in their eyes, or weren't playing well, the match doesn't count and he has to do it over again the next day.

Federer could do all of that, and still not be the best. You'd have to add a prime 1988 version of Wilander to that list.

If Federer were to beat all the players in your list AND Wilander in the same day, then (and only then) will he finally have grown some balls and could be a true French Open champion! :twisted:

Serendipitous
05-22-2009, 08:40 AM
Gulbis has a tough draw. :(

Underhand
05-22-2009, 08:44 AM
Gulbis has a tough draw. :(

He always will until he stops being a headcase and goes up in the rankings.

akv89
05-22-2009, 08:47 AM
The only good thing about the draw is that Djokovic is in Fed's half.

Feds quarter is by far the easiest out of top 4. Why I am not surpried at all to see Roddick and Blake there.
Plus injured Monfils, Scheuttler, ...
Yet another tournament where Federer gets a joke cakewalk of a quarter.

Djokovic's and Nadal's quarters are quite hard OTOH. Djokovic has in form Ljubicic, Monaco, DelPotro, plus Lapentti in the first round. Nadal's quarter is quite hard too with Verdasco, Ferrer, Davydenko, Wawrinka, ...

Murray quarter is second easiest after Federer's. The only decent opponent there is Gonzo.

Do people realize that other than Djokovic, Murray, and Nadal there probably isn't anybody else who can really challenge Federer in a major. You can switch Federer's draw for any of the other's draws and he'll still probably make the semifinals. For example, here are Federer's results against all of those players you mentioned that you feel would have been more threatening in Federer's draw:

Player: H2H (H2H on clay)
Ljubicic: 12-3 (1-0)
Monaco: 1-0 (1-0)
Del Potro: 5-0 (1-0)
Lapentti: 3-0 (2-0)
Davydenko: 12-0 (3-0)
Verdasco: 3-0 (2-0)
Ferrer: 8-0 (3-0)
Wawrinka: 2-1 (0-1)

Total: 46-4 (13-1)

You could (and probably would) have made the same argument if he had these players in his draw.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 08:48 AM
Federer's draw is a joke, he'll make the SF, then djokovic will punish him.

Uhhh... doesn't that mean that Fed's draw ISN'T a joke... if his odds of making it to the Final again are low? And that a player like Joker (the possible nadal slayer on clay) stands in his way?

Nadal can thank his lucky stars Joker hasn't been put on his side of the draw.

drakulie
05-22-2009, 08:50 AM
Federer could do all of that, and still not be the best. You'd have to add a prime 1988 version of Wilander to that list.

If Federer were to beat all the players in your list AND Wilander in the same day, then (and only then) will he finally have grown some balls and could be a true French Open champion! :twisted:


You see!!!! I knew there would still be talk of conspiracy. :)

*breaksracquet
05-22-2009, 08:51 AM
Do people realize that other than Djokovic, Murray, and Nadal there probably isn't anybody else who can really challenge Federer in a major. You can switch Federer's draw for any of the other's draws and he'll still probably make the semifinals. For example, here are Federer's results against all of those players you mentioned that you feel would have been more threatening in Federer's draw:

Player: H2H (H2H on clay)
Ljubicic: 12-3 (1-0)
Monaco: 1-0 (1-0)
Del Potro: 5-0 (1-0)
Lapentti: 3-0 (2-0)
Davydenko: 12-0 (3-0)
Verdasco: 3-0 (2-0)
Ferrer: 8-0 (3-0)
Wawrinka: 2-1 (0-1)

Total: 46-4 (13-1)

You could (and probably would) have made the same argument if he had these players in his draw.


Nice analysis.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 08:53 AM
Do people realize that other than Djokovic, Murray, and Nadal there probably isn't anybody else who can really challenge Federer in a major. You can switch Federer's draw for any of the other's draws and he'll still probably make the semifinals. For example, here are Federer's results against all of those players you mentioned that you feel would have been more threatening in Federer's draw:

Player: H2H (H2H on clay)
Ljubicic: 12-3 (1-0)
Monaco: 1-0 (1-0)
Del Potro: 5-0 (1-0)
Lapentti: 3-0 (2-0)
Davydenko: 12-0 (3-0)
Verdasco: 3-0 (2-0)
Ferrer: 8-0 (3-0)
Wawrinka: 2-1 (0-1)

Total: 46-4 (13-1)

You could (and probably would) have made the same argument if he had these players in his draw.

Of course he would have.

He also doesn't understand that making it to the quarters or semis is NOT the goal of these top 4 players. It's about winning the tournament to them and for that they need to get through ALL rounds.

Which means Fed even making it to the final again is going to be damn tough with Joker in the way. Whereas Nadal vs. Murray semis??? Give me a BREAK! Murray was demolished by Nadal a few weeks back on HARD COURT... much less clay. And Murray has crashed out so far this clay court season...

....yeah... Rafa's got it tough. :rolleyes:

vtmike
05-22-2009, 08:55 AM
I think he should have to qualify first, and along the way beat the following:

Tsonga
Davydenko
Verdasco
Simon
Roddick
Delpotro
Murray
Joker
NadalHe will also have to beat all of them on the same day, because he shouldnt' get a day's break, and this will avoid any talk about conspiracy related to scheduling.

Then, he has to travel back in time and beat Laver, Borg, Vilas, Guga, Courier, and Lendl.

Also, please keep in mind, if any of the above players are injured, tired, exhausted, sun was in their eyes, or weren't playing well, the match doesn't count and he has to do it over again the next day.

Best post of 2009! EPIC!!!

rubberduckies
05-22-2009, 08:55 AM
Federer has a very easy draw until the semis.


I'm hoping it isn't another Wimbledon 2008 where Djokovic drops out early.
He may avoid facing anybody ranked higher than 20 until finals (just like he did in French Open and Wimbledon 2008). Those joke opponents were the only thing that allow Fed to steal sets from Nadal at Wimbledon and to steal games from him at the French.

I wonder what Fed will say if Djokovic pushes him to 5 tough sets in the semis and Nadal has been cruising through his half.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 09:02 AM
Those joke opponents were the only thing that allow Fed to steal sets from Nadal at Wimbledon and to steal games from him at the French.


You really need medical attention...:-|

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 09:05 AM
i believe nadal has the hardest draw...

he faces the next promise of tennis, Qualifier, and thank god he is not facing Bye in that first round!

mandy01
05-22-2009, 09:08 AM
You really need medical attention...:-|
true that.rubberduckies is synonymous with serious BSing..Never saw a post even remotely objective from him/her :wink:

Gorecki-Remember if the Qualifier gets more than 2 games , Nadal is exhausted :wink:

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 09:12 AM
true that.rubberduckies is synonymous with serious BSing..Never saw a post even remotely objective from him/her :wink:

Gorecki-Remember if the Qualifier gets more than 2 games , Nadal is exhausted :wink:

Qualifier is a threat. he is expected by great former pros (quoted by King of Aces) to win big things in the future... still no match for Bye!

if Rafa was to face Bye.. that would be tottaly rigged!

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 09:17 AM
Federer has a very easy draw until the semis.


I'm hoping it isn't another Wimbledon 2008 where Djokovic drops out early.
He may avoid facing anybody ranked higher than 20 until finals (just like he did in French Open and Wimbledon 2008). Those joke opponents were the only thing that allow Fed to steal sets from Nadal at Wimbledon and to steal games from him at the French.

I wonder what Fed will say if Djokovic pushes him to 5 tough sets in the semis and Nadal has been cruising through his half.

Why so delusional today? :)

If you slant it that way, Nadal may ALSO not face anyone in the top 20 until the finals.... :rolleyes:

But I'm guessing you're just too delusional to see your own arguments fall flat?

mandy01
05-22-2009, 09:21 AM
Qualifier is a threat. he is expected by great former pros (quoted by King of Aces) to win big things in the future... still no match for Bye!

if Rafa was to face Bye.. that would be tottaly rigged! and to top it all Rafi is tired form all these tournaments,no?! He's the only player in the history of the sport to have won so many tournaments before RG and play so many matches,no?!
It completely unfair that he should get the soon-to-be GOAT qualifier :sad:

bolo
05-22-2009, 09:37 AM
and to top it all Rafi is tired form all these tournaments,no?! He's the only player in the history of the sport to have won so many tournaments before RG and play so many matches,no?!
It completely unfair that he should get the soon-to-be GOAT qualifier :sad:

Qualifier is the reward for all the sacrifices nadal makes for the tour during the clay court season. :)

Jack the Hack
05-22-2009, 09:41 AM
i believe nadal has the hardest draw...

he faces the next promise of tennis, Qualifier, and thank god he is not facing Bye in that first round!

Wait... this "Qualifier" guy was allowed to be on multiple lines of the draw in both the men's and women's side. In fact, he's even allowed to play himself on one of the lines! Now I KNOW there is a conspiracy! The ITF is purposely rigging the draw so this "Qualifier" guy can win!!! :shock:

sheets
05-22-2009, 10:40 AM
Gulbis vs. Querrey and Tomic vs. KOHLSCHREIBER could be fun first round matches.

MichaelNadal
05-22-2009, 11:08 AM
Nadal may get some resistance from Ferrer or Verdasco should they meet. The Djoko/Fed semi could be very interesting.

oliver
05-22-2009, 11:11 AM
I never really cared what the draw ended up being...

...I'm just holding out all hope for a Fed-Djo semi and a Fed-Nadal final. I know we've seen it before, but as a tennis fan, how could one complain? They always provide incredible tennis for us to watch. And God only knows how badly Fed must want to take this from Nadal after he took both Wimbledon and the AO.

Dan007
05-22-2009, 11:14 AM
Federer vs Djokovic semifinals could be interesting

drakulie
05-22-2009, 11:16 AM
Federer vs Djokovic semifinals could be interesting

If it happens, this will be the "real final".

gflyer
05-22-2009, 11:24 AM
omg who is the maniac that designed the animation?
It takes forever!!!!

kopfan
05-22-2009, 11:26 AM
Let's hope he can finally win the French's Open to sum up his grand slam collection.

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 11:27 AM
Wait... this "Qualifier" guy was allowed to be on multiple lines of the draw in both the men's and women's side. In fact, he's even allowed to play himself on one of the lines! Now I KNOW there is a conspiracy! The ITF is purposely rigging the draw so this "Qualifier" guy can win!!! :shock:

yes... he is a great claycourter, so i predict a great matchup in that match Qualifier vs Qualifier, unless Qualifier withdraws with injury... in that case Qualifier can go deep in the second week... even if he loses against Nadal in the other match!

CyBorg
05-22-2009, 11:30 AM
Maybe if they teamed up against him, 2 on 1. And they got to hit into the doubles allies. And he could only serve underhanded. Maybe.

Perhaps enough to take Nadal to a tiebreak. Perhaps.

BreakPoint
05-22-2009, 11:43 AM
Wow Gaston gets a wild card! Hopes he does well and pass the 1st round.
Gaudio is the only guy that has beaten Nadal on clay 3 times and has as many wins on clay over Nadal as losses. If he's in Nadal's section of the draw, Nadal is toast. :shock: :) LOL

BreakPoint
05-22-2009, 11:48 AM
The only good thing about the draw is that Djokovic is in Fed's half.

Feds quarter is by far the easiest out of top 4. Why I am not surpried at all to see Roddick and Blake there.
Plus injured Monfils, Scheuttler, ...
Yet another tournament where Federer gets a joke cakewalk of a quarter.

Djokovic's and Nadal's quarters are quite hard OTOH. Djokovic has in form Ljubicic, Monaco, DelPotro, plus Lapentti in the first round. Nadal's quarter is quite hard too with Verdasco, Ferrer, Davydenko, Wawrinka, ...

Murray quarter is second easiest after Federer's. The only decent opponent there is Gonzo.
Um...so Federer has an easy draw if Djokovic IS NOT in his half and Federer has an easy draw if Djokovic IS in his half? Hmmm...so exactly where does Djokovic have to be for Federer NOT to have an easy draw? :-?

BreakPoint
05-22-2009, 11:54 AM
So those Fed trolls are seriously going to claim that Federer does not have an easy joke of a quarter. Come on.
Um....who's the one playing a qualifier in the first round? :oops:

Pirao
05-22-2009, 12:11 PM
Looks like this will be 5th in a row for Nadal :).

edberg505
05-22-2009, 12:23 PM
Do people realize that other than Djokovic, Murray, and Nadal there probably isn't anybody else who can really challenge Federer in a major. You can switch Federer's draw for any of the other's draws and he'll still probably make the semifinals. For example, here are Federer's results against all of those players you mentioned that you feel would have been more threatening in Federer's draw:

Player: H2H (H2H on clay)
Ljubicic: 12-3 (1-0)
Monaco: 1-0 (1-0)
Del Potro: 5-0 (1-0)
Lapentti: 3-0 (2-0)
Davydenko: 12-0 (3-0)
Verdasco: 3-0 (2-0)
Ferrer: 8-0 (3-0)
Wawrinka: 2-1 (0-1)

Total: 46-4 (13-1)

You could (and probably would) have made the same argument if he had these players in his draw.

Oh c'mon. Take that logic crap some place else. There's no place for it here on these boards. Here we only deal with half truths and pure speculation.

Clydey2times
05-22-2009, 12:24 PM
Of course he would have.

He also doesn't understand that making it to the quarters or semis is NOT the goal of these top 4 players. It's about winning the tournament to them and for that they need to get through ALL rounds.

Which means Fed even making it to the final again is going to be damn tough with Joker in the way. Whereas Nadal vs. Murray semis??? Give me a BREAK! Murray was demolished by Nadal a few weeks back on HARD COURT... much less clay. And Murray has crashed out so far this clay court season...

....yeah... Rafa's got it tough. :rolleyes:

Murray was demolished on a hard court during a match playted in 40mph winds. It wasn't an ordinary match, so let's get that straight. If you think that would have been the score under normal conditions, you need help.

TheTruth
05-22-2009, 12:29 PM
The only good thing about the draw is that Djokovic is in Fed's half.

Feds quarter is by far the easiest out of top 4. Why I am not surpried at all to see Roddick and Blake there.
Plus injured Monfils, Scheuttler, ...
Yet another tournament where Federer gets a joke cakewalk of a quarter.

Djokovic's and Nadal's quarters are quite hard OTOH. Djokovic has in form Ljubicic, Monaco, DelPotro, plus Lapentti in the first round. Nadal's quarter is quite hard too with Verdasco, Ferrer, Davydenko, Wawrinka, ...

Murray quarter is second easiest after Federer's. The only decent opponent there is Gonzo.

Sounds like you're right.

TheTruth
05-22-2009, 12:38 PM
Through your histrionics you are missing the point. The point isnt that Lapentti has a good shot to beat Djokovic, which he clearly doesnt. Just that it is a tougher first round than most.

Agreed.....

BreakPoint
05-22-2009, 12:39 PM
Looks like this will be 5th in a row for Nadal :).
Thanks for acknowledging that Nadal has a very easy draw, something all the other *********s are too embarrassed to admit.

fps
05-22-2009, 12:40 PM
Sounds like you're right.

he has picked out as "tough" players ljubicic and lapentti. they're about as frightening as plastic toothpicks at a samurai sword fight. monaco, maybe, but he's third tier as a player. del potro? done nothing on clay.

gj011
05-22-2009, 12:44 PM
Um...so Federer has an easy draw if Djokovic IS NOT in his half and Federer has an easy draw if Djokovic IS in his half? Hmmm...so exactly where does Djokovic have to be for Federer NOT to have an easy draw? :-?

I am talking about and comparing quarters before the SF and Federer's quarter is a joke it could not have been easier. It is laughable to deny that. I am more interested in that since Djokovic is #4 seed, than to just compare Nadal's and Federer's draws.

Of course it is tougher to have Djokovic than Murray in the SF on clay.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 12:46 PM
Um...so Federer has an easy draw if Djokovic IS NOT in his half and Federer has an easy draw if Djokovic IS in his half? Hmmm...so exactly where does Djokovic have to be for Federer NOT to have an easy draw? :-?
Do you understand what a quarter is? Because you sound like you don't. Fed has the easiest QUARTER, not the easiest HALF because of Djoko.

TheTruth
05-22-2009, 12:47 PM
Come on. It couldn't get any easier than that on clay. Only decent opponent is PHM. Monfils is hurt and won't make it to QF, if he even plays at all.

I agree, the only problem is PHM is not a big match player, so all his talent goes by the wayside. I wish he didn't do that because he's such a great player to watch!

TheTruth
05-22-2009, 12:50 PM
One of the methods to roughly evaluate the quarters is simple arithmetic: sum up the rankings of all seeds in the quarters, the biggest number will show that the lowest-ranking players are seeded in this particular quarter, and vice versa.

Djok's quarter: 127
Murray's quarter: 128
Nadal's quarter: 129
Federer's quarter: 134

Federer has the lowest-ranking quarter.

The other criterion is specialization in terms of surfaces.

The four top-ranked players in Djok's quarter are:
Del Potro - 5
Tsonga - 9
Robredo - 16
Tursunov - 21.
Tsonga and Tursunov are no good on clay, but Del Potro and Robredo are. Plus Monaco who is having a good season and has always been a threat on clay.

The four top-ranked players in Murray's quarter are:
Simon - 7
Gonzalez - 12
Cilic - 13
Safin - 20
Neither of them is a clay court specialist, they are not bad, but not good either.

The four top-ranked players in Nadal's quarter are:
Verdasco - 8
Davydenko - 10
Ferrer - 14
Wawrinka - 17.
All of them are good clay courters.

The four top-ranked players in Federer's quarter are:
Roddick - 6
Monfils - 11
Blake - 15
Berdych - 19
Roddick and Blake are clay nobodies. Monfils is injured. Don't know about Berdych. For me he is a hard courter.

Federer has the weakest quarter. But once again, Djok's excellent presence makes up for it.

Great post!

edberg505
05-22-2009, 12:50 PM
So, I noticed everyone is ignoring akv89's post. LOL, maybe because he's making sense. But whatever you guys are right. This freakin Federer guy is just damn lucky. How on earth does he keep getting these cakewalk draws?

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 12:51 PM
he has picked out as "tough" players ljubicic and lapentti. they're about as frightening as plastic toothpicks at a samurai sword fight. monaco, maybe, but he's third tier as a player. del potro? done nothing on clay.
Del Potro was in the semi in Madrid, he has also won a few clay tournaments last year. I know everyone thinks he sucks because he collapses spectacularly whenever Fed is on the other side of the net but don't let that fool you, he's not a tool on any surface, he's a very promising young player.
I'm sure Fed will be praying fervently that he'll get Delpo in the semis instead of Djoko :lol:
+ you're entirely wrong about Lapentti. As a FIRST ROUND, he would be nobody's choice really.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 12:52 PM
So, I noticed everyone is ignoring akv89's post. LOL, maybe because he's making sense. But whatever you guys are right. This freakin Federer guy is just damn lucky. How on earth does he keep getting these cakewalk draws?
I don't know but it's so frequent I've come to expect it now.

TheTruth
05-22-2009, 12:59 PM
THE BEST POST SO FAR.

Plus: List of players who can at leat trouble federer on clay:

Monfils (is injured)

Ferrer

Simon?

Nadal

Djokovic

Murray

davydenko

Verdasco

Wawrinka

Monaco

Gonzalez


None of them in his half, except Monfils who is injured, so YES, THAT´S AN EASY DRAW, AND I DON´T BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES, BUT FACTS ARE FACTS

Great post, and this post sums it up perfectly. Facts are facts.

edberg505
05-22-2009, 12:59 PM
I don't know but it's so frequent I've come to expect it now.

So, akv89's post was just garbage? Look, it really doesn't matter who you put Federer up against in the early rounds of a slam. The guy produces results, and it's not because of some bs luck. NOBODY is that lucky. I mean seriously, the guy has been doing this since late 2003 and still no respect. Do you really think that if Federer had Nadal's quarter the outcome would have been any different? I'll venture to say no, but I can guarantee you that if Federer did have Nadal's quarter the very same people would be complaining, "what the heck, Federer has a cakewalk draw yet again." I'd be a small fortune that people would say that.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 01:03 PM
One of the methods to roughly evaluate the quarters is simple arithmetic: sum up the rankings of all seeds in the quarters, the biggest number will show that the lowest-ranking players are seeded in this particular quarter, and vice versa.

Djok's quarter: 127
Murray's quarter: 128
Nadal's quarter: 129
Federer's quarter: 134

Federer has the lowest-ranking quarter.

The other criterion is specialization in terms of surfaces.

The four top-ranked players in Djok's quarter are:
Del Potro - 5
Tsonga - 9
Robredo - 16
Tursunov - 21.
Tsonga and Tursunov are no good on clay, but Del Potro and Robredo are. Plus Monaco who is having a good season and has always been a threat on clay.

The four top-ranked players in Murray's quarter are:
Simon - 7
Gonzalez - 12
Cilic - 13
Safin - 20
Neither of them is a clay court specialist, they are not bad, but not good either.

The four top-ranked players in Nadal's quarter are:
Verdasco - 8
Davydenko - 10
Ferrer - 14
Wawrinka - 17.
All of them are good clay courters.

The four top-ranked players in Federer's quarter are:
Roddick - 6
Monfils - 11
Blake - 15
Berdych - 19
Roddick and Blake are clay nobodies. Monfils is injured. Don't know about Berdych. For me he is a hard courter.

Federer has the weakest quarter. But once again, Djok's excellent presence makes up for it.
Finally a well thought out post that backs up its claims. This should be the last word for this thread: precise, well documented and objective.

gj011
05-22-2009, 01:04 PM
he has picked out as "tough" players ljubicic and lapentti. they're about as frightening as plastic toothpicks at a samurai sword fight. monaco, maybe, but he's third tier as a player. del potro? done nothing on clay.

Now you are twisting what I said. I said Lapentti is tough for a 1st round opponent on clay and he is toughest opponent any of top 4 got, although it could be arguable for Chela, but I still think after what we saw this year Lapentti is better ATM. Nothing more.
While Ljubicic made it to the QFs of 2 out of 3 Masters on clay, plus IW QF. As I already said here, no other player outside top 10 was able to do that this year. That is what in-form means. He is tough 3rd round opponent on clay ATM, even if you would not admit it. I would for sure prefer PHM or Blake than Ljubicic here, considerind the way they all played on clay recently.

fps
05-22-2009, 01:07 PM
Del Potro was in the semi in Madrid, he has also won a few clay tournaments last year. I know everyone thinks he sucks because he collapses spectacularly whenever Fed is on the other side of the net but don't let that fool you, he's not a tool on any surface, he's a very promising young player.
I'm sure Fed will be praying fervently that he'll get Delpo in the semis instead of Djoko :lol:

but if he'd been in federer's quarter he would have been "an easy draw". just as roddick is being dismissed and not weighed on his own merits. federer has proved his dominance against certain players therefore people consider them "easier" draws if they're facing federer.

there are 3 possible finalists, that was always the case regardless of the nuances of the draw. each of nadal federer and djokovic will get through without being severely tested, but sufficiently match-hardened to be ready when they face a big test. for nadal that will be in the final, for federer and djokovic when they face each other, assuming federer makes it, not because of his draw, but because he's blown hot and cold this year. draw is irrelevent until the semis for these guys.

Cody
05-22-2009, 01:07 PM
I actually don't like hewitt, but i hope he gets past the first round to help put some australian names somewhere at least. :(

fps
05-22-2009, 01:09 PM
Now you are twisting what I said. I said Lapentti is tough for a 1st round opponent on clay and he is toughest opponent any of top 4 got, although it could be arguable for Chela, but I still think after what we saw this year Lapentti is better ATM. Nothing more.
While Ljubicic made it to the QFs of 2 out of 3 Masters on clay, plus IW QF. As I already said here, no other player outside top 10 was able to do that this year. That is what in-form means. He is tough 3rd round opponent on clay ATM, even if you would not admit it. I would for sure prefer PHM or Blake than Ljubicic here, considerind the way they all played on clay recently.

someone picked up on quote again and put in lapentti and ljubicic, that was all. we've had this discussion and i hear what you're saying, we just come at it from different directions- i think the quality of the oppo is so comparatively low that it doesn't matter if they're *tougher* or not- they're still going down in (most likely) 3 or (less likely) 4, and if they play well, then good, a player needs to be tested so he's up to speed come the later rounds.

fps
05-22-2009, 01:10 PM
I actually don't like hewitt, but i hope he gets past the first round to help put some australian names somewhere at least. :(

no hope for bernard tomic to break out?

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 01:11 PM
So, akv89's post was just garbage? Look, it really doesn't matter who you put Federer up against in the early rounds of a slam. The guy produces results, and it's not because of some bs luck. NOBODY is that lucky. I mean seriously, the guy has been doing this since late 2003 and still no respect. Do you really think that if Federer had Nadal's quarter the outcome would have been any different? I'll venture to say no, but I can guarantee you that if Federer did have Nadal's quarter the very same people would be complaining, "what the heck, Federer has a cakewalk draw yet again." I'd be a small fortune that people would say that.
Akv89's post is pure spin. If you want an objective informational post, read Gen's. The point is not whether X or Y player has ever beaten Fed, the point is which players are toughest to face on clay, win or not, which players are gonna make you work. You won't find more harmless than Blake and Roddick at RG, sorry but that's the naked truth.

edberg505
05-22-2009, 01:12 PM
but if he'd been in federer's quarter he would have been "an easy draw". just as roddick is being dismissed and not weighed on his own merits. federer has proved his dominance against certain players therefore people consider them "easier" draws if they're facing federer.

there are 3 possible finalists, that was always the case regardless of the nuances of the draw. each of nadal federer and djokovic will get through without being severely tested, but sufficiently match-hardened to be ready when they face a big test. for nadal that will be in the final, for federer and djokovic when they face each other, assuming federer makes it, not because of his draw, but because he's blown hot and cold this year. draw is irrelevent until the semis for these guys.

Again with this logic BS. You cannot (I repeat), not use logic on this forum. It gets you nowhere.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 01:13 PM
but if he'd been in federer's quarter he would have been "an easy draw". just as roddick is being dismissed and not weighed on his own merits. federer has proved his dominance against certain players therefore people consider them "easier" draws if they're facing federer.

there are 3 possible finalists, that was always the case regardless of the nuances of the draw. each of nadal federer and djokovic will get through without being severely tested, but sufficiently match-hardened to be ready when they face a big test. for nadal that will be in the final, for federer and djokovic when they face each other, assuming federer makes it, not because of his draw, but because he's blown hot and cold this year. draw is irrelevent until the semis for these guys.
Roddick can't even pass first rounds at RG, so it's extremely likely Fed will have to play someone else in the end.

edberg505
05-22-2009, 01:16 PM
Akv89's post is pure spin. If you want an objective informational post, read Gen's. The point is not whether X or Y player has ever beaten Fed, the point is which players are toughest to face on clay, win or not, which players are gonna make you work. You won't find more harmless than Blake and Roddick at RG, sorry but that's the naked truth.

LOL, it's only spin because it doesn't agree with your theory. That's all there is to it. Like I said I have no doubt if those exact same guys were in Federer's quarter the very same people here would be screaming bloody murder. I've seen Federer with plenty of tough draws, esp. in Wimby. And not once did I see a single thread from a Federer fan b!tching about it.

Cody
05-22-2009, 01:16 PM
no hope for bernard tomic to break out?

Well you tell me :)

Gugafan
05-22-2009, 01:19 PM
Some of my opinions on the FO draw:

Nadal does not have it easy....Hewitt and Ferrer are tenacious competitors in the 3rd and 4th rd respectively.

Murray has a great shot to reach the q-finals at the French. There are no notable players of claycourt pedigree in his half of the draw.

The draw may open up for former champion Gaston Gaudio if he can get past Stephanek in the first rd.


Juan Monaco is a dangerous floater in the bottom half of the draw. I can see him taking out some big names (Baghdatis, Tsonga and Del Potro) on route to a potential q-final showdown with Djokovic.

Pity Monfils is not 100% fit, as he has a very favourable draw to the quarters.

Federer should make the semis, though a inspired Mathieu jeered on by the partisan French crowd could prove a tough test in the 3rd rd.