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Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 04:59 AM
The title says it all.
Vote and comment.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 05:21 AM
Potential route to the final (top 4) :

Nadal
R1: Q
R2: Kunitsyn
R3: Hewitt/Gremelmayr/Karlovic
R4: Ferrer/Soderling
QF: Verdasco/Davydenko/Wawrinka
SF: Gonzalez/Murray
F: Federer/Djokovic

Federer
R1: Martin
R2: Acasuso
R3: PH Mathieu
R4: Berdych/Chardy/Blake
QF: Monfils/Roddick
SF: Djokovic/Del Potro
F: Nadal

Djokovic
R1: Lapentti
R2: Dabul/Q
R3: Ljubicic/Ferrero/Kohlschreiber
R4: Robredo/Fish/Seppi
QF: Del Potro/Tsonga/Monaco
SF: Federer
F: Nadal

Murray
R1: Chela
R2: Zverev/Starace
R3: Montanes/Lopez/Tipsarevic
R4: Stepanek/Cilic
QF: Gonzalez/Simon
SF: Nadal
F: Federer/Djokovic

thejoe
05-22-2009, 05:25 AM
Federer or Djokovic. They both have it easy until the quarters.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 05:29 AM
Nadal, b/c he's gonna steamroll everyone, at least until the QF.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 05:31 AM
Federer or Djokovic. They both have it easy until the quarters.

Roger's draw through to the semis is laughable :Berdych, Blake and Roddick in his quarter.Having Djokovic in his half is great for the tournament though, should be a great battle if they meet.Rafa on the other hand has a very tough draw with all the outside threats Verdasco, Ferrer, Gonzalez, Davydenko, Wawrinka and Murray are all in the top half.

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RoddickAce
05-22-2009, 06:07 AM
Roger's draw through to the semis is laughable :Berdych, Blake and Roddick in his quarter.Having Djokovic in his half is great for the tournament though, should be a great battle if they meet.Rafa on the other hand has a very tough draw with all the outside threats Verdasco, Ferrer, Gonzalez, Davydenko, Wawrinka and Murray are all in the top half.

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-Nadal beat Ferrer in the last 3 meetings (all incidentally on clay)
-Nadal has a 9-0 h2h with Verdasco who has NEVER taken A SET off Nadal on clay
-Wawrinka has never taken a set off Nadal in all meetings
-Nadal beat Gonzalez the past 5 meetings without dropping a set
-The only challenges I see up to the semi's for Nadal are Davydenko and Murray. Nadal is 7-2 against Murray, with Murray winning the US Open match and the Rotterdam Match where Nadal was clearly injured by the end. Now Davydenko might pose somewhat of a challenge. He is 2-4 against Nadal and has actually taken 1 set off Nadal(in Rome 2007) in the 3 clay meetings they had.

Toughness of a draw is all relative, just like how putting Soderling or Tsonga on Fed's side of the draw on a fast court is "easy" while it is a tough draw for Nadal. So in this case, both Fed and Nadal have easy draws in general. Fed's stats against his opponents are really dominant as well so up until the QF's Nadal has the slightly tougher draw as of the 7 clay meetings, Ferrer did beat Nadal once, back in 2004. But once you get to the semi's, I don't think it's even questionable that Djokovic is much more of a challenge to Fed or Nadal on clay than Murray. So the draw evens out, and maybe Fed has a slightly harder draw just because of Djokovic.

gj011
05-22-2009, 06:11 AM
Easiest to hardest:
Federer has by far easiest quarter
Murray
Djokovic
Nadal

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 06:11 AM
Nadal. He doesn't face a threat until the finals. Let's be real here.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 06:13 AM
Easiest to hardest:
Federer has by far easiest draw
Murray
Djokovic
Nadal

Now you're saying Nadal has the hardest? He's gonna steamroll everyone! And now Murray moved ahead of Djokovic on the ease scale too. Didn't we discuss this already, how you are so wrong???

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 06:14 AM
Fed has the easiet draw of the top-4.It's as if he made that draw himself:)

gj011
05-22-2009, 06:15 AM
Now you're saying Nadal has the hardest? He's gonna steamroll everyone! And now Murray moved ahead of Djokovic on the ease scale too. Didn't we discuss this already, how you are so wrong???

This is what i have been saying from the beginning. Nadal and Djokovic have tough quarters. Murray has easier than the first two and Federer's is a joke.

And no I am not wrong. You are.

joeri888
05-22-2009, 06:16 AM
Nadal has the easiest, because he's the only player in the draw that doesn't have to beat Nadal to win the tournament.:shock:

fps
05-22-2009, 06:16 AM
easiest- federer and djokovic joint. there's nothing to pick between them in terms of the easy beatability of their opposition for players of their class.

nadal's hardest match before the final will be his quarter final. fed and djoko will have to play each other in the semis, making up for the ease with which they'll ghost through the first few rounds.

joeri888
05-22-2009, 06:20 AM
This is what i have been saying from the beginning. Nadal and Djokovic have tough quarters. Murray has easier than the first two and Federer's is a joke.

And no I am not wrong. You are.

Federer's quarter is a joke, I agree.. However, in the last 4 and a half years Federer tends to make the semis at least, so I would still sign for a change between Federer and Nadal, because to Federer it doesn't matter that much whether he meets Ferrer or Roddick.. What matters is whether he'll meet Murray or Djokovic. Therefore I'm not happy with Federer's draw.

I see Tsonga, Monaco or Del Potro being a reasonably tough quarterfinal opponent for Novak, but apart from that 'tough quarter' is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? By the way, you always say Novak's second best to Nadal on clay, therefore you will admit that Novak has an easier semifinal prospect than Federer.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 06:21 AM
Nadal has the easiest, because he's the only player in the draw that doesn't have to beat Nadal to win the tournament.:shock:

Nadal has all the clay courts specialists in his draw:Verdasco,Almagro,Ferrer,Davydenko and Gonzalez.Whereas Fed has a repeat of the Madrid draw,with Blake and Roddick in his quarter.

icedevil0289
05-22-2009, 06:22 AM
wait, why in the world would anyone think that rafa had the toughest draw? It's rafa on clay at RG. It won't be tough for him until the final where he will face either nole or roger and even then I have a feeling it won't be that tough.

gj011
05-22-2009, 06:22 AM
Federer's quarter is a joke, I agree.. However, in the last 4 and a half years Federer tends to make the semis at least, so I would still sign for a change between Federer and Nadal, because to Federer it doesn't matter that much whether he meets Ferrer or Roddick.. What matters is whether he'll meet Murray or Djokovic. Therefore I'm not happy with Federer's draw.

I see Tsonga, Monaco or Del Potro being a reasonably tough quarterfinal opponent for Novak, but apart from that 'tough quarter' is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? By the way, you always say Novak's second best to Nadal on clay, therefore you will admit that Novak has an easier semifinal prospect than Federer.

This is a fair assessment of a draw from a Federer fan.

RoddickAce
05-22-2009, 06:24 AM
Federer's quarter is a joke, I agree.. However, in the last 4 and a half years Federer tends to make the semis at least, so I would still sign for a change between Federer and Nadal, because to Federer it doesn't matter that much whether he meets Ferrer or Roddick.. What matters is whether he'll meet Murray or Djokovic. Therefore I'm not happy with Federer's draw.

I see Tsonga, Monaco or Del Potro being a reasonably tough quarterfinal opponent for Novak, but apart from that 'tough quarter' is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? By the way, you always say Novak's second best to Nadal on clay, therefore you will admit that Novak has an easier semifinal prospect than Federer.

Exactly, if Fed had Nadal's draw, we'd have people complaining about how tough Nadal's draw was cuz of Djokovic, while Fed gets a "cakewalk" because he holds amazing numbers against most of the players in Nadal's side of the draw now. And if you note the stats in my post earlier, it's easy to see that not many of those players have taken a set off nadal on clay.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 06:25 AM
wait, why in the world would anyone think that rafa had the toughest draw? It's rafa on clay at RG. It won't be tough for him until the final where he will face either nole or roger and even then I have a feeling it won't be that tough.

Still remember what Verdasco and Djokovic did to him in Madrid?

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 06:25 AM
Nadal has all the clay courts specialists in his draw:Verdasco,Almagro,Ferrer,Davydenko and Gonzalez.Whereas Fed has a repeat of the Madrid draw,with Blake and Roddick in his quarter.

Did you see the beating he gave to Almagro last yr, when everyone though that'd be a tough match. He doesn't have a tough match until the finals, sorry to be cynical about it.

icedevil0289
05-22-2009, 06:27 AM
Still remember what Verdasco and Djokovic did to him in Madrid?

yes I did, but madrid is completely different from RG. Watch, rafa will steam roll is opponents on the way to the final.

RoddickAce
05-22-2009, 06:28 AM
Still remember what Verdasco and Djokovic did to him in Madrid?

Yes, Verdasco lost in straight sets like all his other clay court matches against Nadal while Djokovic pushed Nadal to the brink. Djokovic is on Fed's half of the draw this time.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 06:34 AM
Yes, Verdasco lost in straight sets like all his other clay court matches against Nadal while Djokovic pushed Nadal to the brink. Djokovic is on Fed's half of the draw this time.

Verdasco gave Rafa a tough match(he was 0-4 down in the second set)
Nole almost beat him(he saved 3 match points).
So this scenario can repeat in RG,though RG is different than Madrid.
Further he has Ferrer,Almagro,Davydenko and Gonzo,all great clay court players.

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 06:35 AM
OMG this is a disgrace... Nadal is playing Q? shameless atp conspiracy against him...

how low can they go? make him play against Bye next time?

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 06:35 AM
yes I did, but madrid is completely different from RG.
I agree.
Watch, rafa will steam roll is opponents on the way to the final.
That doesn't change the fact that his draw is still the toughest.

wangs78
05-22-2009, 06:36 AM
Nadal. He doesn't face a threat until the finals. Let's be real here.

Quite right. Nadal has the easiest route to the finals. Murray the hardest (he likely has to beat Nadal). Fed and Djokovic have equally difficult semifinal matches assuming they play each other, as they both have exhibited fine clay form this season, with Djokovic being the more consistent one. Unless there is an upset, it will be Nadal vs Fed or Djoker. What a treat. Let's hope it happens.

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 06:36 AM
Nadal has the easiest simply because he is far better than anyone else.

RoddickAce
05-22-2009, 06:37 AM
Verdasco gave Rafa a tough match(he was 0-4 down in the second set)
Nole almost beat him(he saved 3 match points).
So this scenario can repeat in RG,though RG is different than Madrid.
Further he has Ferrer,Almagro,Davydenko and Gonzo,all great clay court players.

Ya, exactly, and Djokovic is on Fed's half of the draw. So although Nadals quarter is slightly tougher, I think Djokovic evens Fed's draw out.

If you look at the 6th post in this thread, you'll see that most of the players in Nadal's quarter haven't taken more than 1-2 sets off Nadal on clay ever. Davydenko is a really underrated player and in my opinion he is what makes Nadal's Quarter tougher than Fed's quarter.

joeri888
05-22-2009, 06:38 AM
Nadal has all the clay courts specialists in his draw:Verdasco,Almagro,Ferrer,Davydenko and Gonzalez.Whereas Fed has a repeat of the Madrid draw,with Blake and Roddick in his quarter.

That remark was partly a joke, partly to say that you can not look at a draw and say that guy has the toughest, because for Rafa Nadal no draw will be as tough as it is for Andreas Seppi. Federer holds amazing numbers against almost every non top4 player except maybe Gilles Simon. Does that mean Verdasco, Ferrer and Davydenko are easy? No it just means Federer's achieved a lot in the past. Just like Nadal.. We can talk all we want, but in the end, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic will make the semis, Nadal will win the tournament and Federer-Djokovic will be the match of the tournament.

icedevil0289
05-22-2009, 06:39 AM
Nadal has the easiest simply because he is far better than anyone else.

that's true. The only person I think that can be somewhat of a threat based on recent performances is nole and rafa won't face nole until the final or he might not meet him at all.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 06:41 AM
Almagro's the most overrated player on tour, at least on clay. He hasn't beaten anyone important on clay. He got beatdown by Nadal last yr at the FO. Almagro is no threat to Nadal.

PimpMyGame
05-22-2009, 06:42 AM
Nadal has the easiest simply because he is far better than anyone else.

And Murray has the most difficult because he's the weakest of the top 4 on clay.

Turning Pro
05-22-2009, 06:43 AM
Fed has the easiest draw. Roddick/del Potro/Blake lol?

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 06:46 AM
Almagro's the most overrated player on tour, at least on clay. He hasn't beaten anyone important on clay. He got beatdown by Nadal last yr at the FO. Almagro is no threat to Nadal.

Dude... the guy got his ***** handed by Frederico Gil (my guy) in Sauipe...

overrated does not describe him...

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 06:49 AM
In Nadal's draw the only person with a sniff of bothering Nadal up untill he meets Djoker/Fed in the final is Verdasco.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 06:51 AM
Ya, exactly, and Djokovic is on Fed's half of the draw. So although Nadals quarter is slightly tougher, I think Djokovic evens Fed's draw out.

No.Federer's side of the draw is definitely the mug half. Take Djokovic out and he basically has a bye to the final.

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 06:53 AM
In terms of quality of opponents Fed and Murray have the easiest.

joeri888
05-22-2009, 06:54 AM
No.Federer's side of the draw is definitely the mug half. Take Djokovic out and he basically has a bye to the final.

You keep repeating the same thing without any argument. Would you see Federer go out earlier than the semis if you swapped him with Rafa? I defenitely don't. He might have more trouble, but in a best of 5 he'd still come out on top, because he always does in best of 5. Having Djokovic in his half could decide the tournament though.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 06:55 AM
Dude... the guy got his ***** handed by Frederico Gil (my guy) in Sauipe...

overrated does not describe him...

This is all you need to know a/b the guy. He lost to one-legged Nalbandian in Barcelona, the match before he went down with hip surgery. He's lost to Gulbis, Youzhny, and Kohlschreiber as of late. And he got triple breadsticked last yr vs Nadal. So yeah, he's no threat to Rafa.

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 06:57 AM
Looks like Roger is going to keep his slam semi final appreances in a row record with the clown draw he has got.

Blinkism
05-22-2009, 06:58 AM
I'm assuming this poll meant who has the easiest route to the semi's?

I voted Federer, but the easiest route to the final is Nadal.

And Murray has the hardest draw relative to his level on clay.

Cyan
05-22-2009, 06:59 AM
Fed's draw is ridiculous.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 06:59 AM
You keep repeating the same thing without any argument. Would you see Federer go out earlier than the semis if you swapped him with Rafa? I defenitely don't. He might have more trouble, but in a best of 5 he'd still come out on top, because he always does in best of 5. Having Djokovic in his half could decide the tournament though.

What argument do you want me to give you? I said that Rafa has the toughest draw coz he has good clay court players in his side whereas Fed hasn't.Nadal is happy to avoid Djokovic, though he's got Ferrer,Verdasco and Gonzo in his section whom he'd probably preferred to have avoided.

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 07:01 AM
Fed's draw is ridiculous.

I know theres not even one dangerous player he could meet.

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 07:02 AM
This is all you need to know a/b the guy. He lost to one-legged Nalbandian in Barcelona, the match before he went down with hip surgery. He's lost to Gulbis, Youzhny, and Kohlschreiber as of late. And he got triple breadsticked last yr vs Nadal. So yeah, he's no threat to Rafa.

absolutely...

btw: your google sugestion!...:shock:

wangs78
05-22-2009, 07:11 AM
OMG this is a disgrace... Nadal is playing Q? shameless atp conspiracy against him...

how low can they go? make him play against Bye next time?

You're a disgrace for making such a stupid comment.

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 07:14 AM
You're a disgrace for making such a stupid comment.

want problems you idiot?

or are you too brain stiif to get a joke?

joeri888
05-22-2009, 07:14 AM
You're a disgrace for making such a stupid comment.

He's just making fun of some people who tend to whine a lot about draws. If you want to be the best you should beat anyone. Draws are irrelevant.

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 07:17 AM
He's just making fun of some people who tend to whine a lot about draws. If you want to be the best you should beat anyone. Draws are irrelevant.

i was just having a laugh and that "wanger" takes a stab at me out of the blue...
:evil:

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 07:18 AM
I predicted that Roger would get Blake and Roddick in his section...as its obvious that Federer has the easiest draw BY FAR! Mental midgets and pigeons, and all the real clay court threats in Rafa's section.*Sigh*.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 07:22 AM
^^^Really? You really think Rafa's gonna lose to the likes of Verdasco or Ferrer or ALMAGRO, on his court, the court that someday will be named after him???

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 07:25 AM
^^^Really? You really think Rafa's gonna lose to the likes of Verdasco or Ferrer or ALMAGRO, on his court, the court that someday will be named after him???

No.He'll win but he won't be a walk in the park.He'll be very tired(physically and/or mentally) like in Madrid,which 'll lessen his chances to win in the finals.

DragonBlaze
05-22-2009, 07:28 AM
No.He'll win but he won't be a walk in the park.He'll be very tired(physically and/or mentally) like in Madrid,which 'll lessen his chances to win in the finals.

You cannot be serious....

CyBorg
05-22-2009, 07:31 AM
Nadal's QF isn't going to be super-easy, but it doesn't matter. He'll still win it.

What matters is that Djokovic is not on his side, so it's a near-automatic advancement to the final.

jamesblakefan#1
05-22-2009, 07:32 AM
Another person smacking their guy down to make a point. The only thing Rafa's gonna get tired of is beating down these guys again and again, you don't honestly think Verdasco's gonna take a set off of him, it may be tough, but surely no lasting effects, or are you already making excuses if Fed wins? Mentally tiring? For supossedly one of the toughest guys on tour mentally???

vtmike
05-22-2009, 07:32 AM
Nadal's QF isn't going to be super-easy, but it doesn't matter. He'll still win it.

What matters is that Djokovic is not on his side, so it's a near-automatic advancement to the final.

Seriously...the only threats to Nadal are Djokovic & Delpotro...and both are in Fed's half! So why is Nadal's draw tougher again?

vtmike
05-22-2009, 07:35 AM
No.He'll win but he won't be a walk in the park.He'll be very tired(physically and/or mentally) like in Madrid,which 'll lessen his chances to win in the finals.

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Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 07:37 AM
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Huh ???:evil::evil::evil:
I'm now in a French,a Dutch and 2 Englsih forums and the consensus in all those 4 forums is that Fed has the easiest draw by far,whether you admit it or nor.
I'm outta here(for now).

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 07:40 AM
palm face dutchman... palm face...

fps
05-22-2009, 07:46 AM
No.He'll win but he won't be a walk in the park.He'll be very tired(physically and/or mentally) like in Madrid,which 'll lessen his chances to win in the finals.

BBC commentators at wimbledon commented on and showed footage of nadal doing INTENSE warm-up work for over an hour before he played later in the day. not just stretching and jogging, we're talking serious work with resistance bands and sprints. if the guy is tired come the match that's because of his own regime and it's his fault. if his style of play makes it harder for him to recover, that's his fault. both may factor into his performances in tournaments, both are part of what make him the player he is. he could change it, he doesn't. therefore, no excuses. not even from rafa.

http://www.mensfitness.com/sports_and_recreation/athletes/154
I: Such a big part of tennis is the ability to recover quickly after a match. What are some of your secrets to recovery?
Nadal: The stretching is very important and to have good conditioning does help a lot. Clearly getting the right rest is also important. Sometimes it is too short of a time and I really can't recover fast enough. But that happens to all of us.

he knows tiredness is part of being a player, and by extension we should accept that his being tired for a match after a previous one is part of him as an athlete, and a challenge that all champions must face. it is to his credit that he doesn't play on the kind of excuses his fanboys do, and part of the reason he is a great champion.

GoaLaSSo
05-22-2009, 07:46 AM
easiest- federer and djokovic joint. there's nothing to pick between them in terms of the easy beatability of their opposition for players of their class.

nadal's hardest match before the final will be his quarter final. fed and djoko will have to play each other in the semis, making up for the ease with which they'll ghost through the first few rounds.


I agree with this ^^^^^

Nadal is so lucky he can't play himself :). I basically look at the draw and just assume everyone playing nadal up through the final will lose haha

Cyan
05-22-2009, 07:47 AM
Looks like Roger is going to keep his slam semi final appreances in a row record with the clown draw he has got.

That's the thing with the ITF. They want to help him with his faux records.... :rolleyes:

vtmike
05-22-2009, 07:49 AM
That's the thing with the ITF. They want to help him with his faux records.... :rolleyes:

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Cyan
05-22-2009, 07:50 AM
Lol................

sh@de
05-22-2009, 07:52 AM
Nadal has the easiest draw at RG because it doesn't matter who the opponent is, he's 10x better than them anyway. He's in a league of his own.

tudwell
05-22-2009, 08:11 AM
Gaudio's got a tough draw. How's a man supposed to reclaim his crown with a draw like that?

batz
05-22-2009, 08:41 AM
So, judging by the results of the poll so far, Murray has the hardest draw.

I'm glad that's settled.

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 08:44 AM
So, judging by the results of the poll so far, Murray has the hardest draw.

I'm glad that's settled.

Djokovic has the hardest draw imo.

ghostbear
05-22-2009, 08:56 AM
Federer has the hardest draw by far. It's a shame he drew future clay legend Andy Roddick in his quarter. :cry: After all, Roddick was the only one who took a set off Federer in Madrid. I'm sure Federer is losing sleep over facing Roddick again.

In all seriousness, Federer couldn't have picked an easier 1/4 himself. :shock::-?:)

tudwell
05-22-2009, 08:59 AM
Blake was just in the final of a red clay tournament, was he not? That's more than we can say for Murray...

VivalaVida
05-22-2009, 09:03 AM
Crap! I voted that nole has the easiest draw! I meant to pick Murray.

VilasFan
05-22-2009, 09:37 AM
When I saw Fed's draw I lol'd!

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 09:45 AM
I know theres not even one dangerous player he could meet.

Djokovic? Nadal?

People... in order to WIN the French Open... you have to make the Final and then win it!

All you guys are focused on the quarters, etc... but with the top players making it to the quarters is not good enough. It's about making the Final and winning it.

Hence Federer has a very tough road ahead of him. And he faces two clay court specialists in the first two rounds.


Give me a break you *******s. :rolleyes:

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 09:46 AM
Federer has the hardest draw by far. It's a shame he drew future clay legend Andy Roddick in his quarter. :cry: After all, Roddick was the only one who took a set off Federer in Madrid. I'm sure Federer is losing sleep over facing Roddick again.

In all seriousness, Federer couldn't have picked an easier 1/4 himself.

What about his first two rounds? He faces two clay-court specialists... says more than what Nadal faces his first two rounds on clay. :rolleyes:

You *******s are seriously twisted in your logic.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 09:47 AM
When I saw Fed's draw I lol'd!

Roger is so lucky with Roddick and Blake.Both Roddick and Blake may not even pass round 2.His draw is as weak as possible.

Predicted QFs:

Nadal vs Verdasco-->Nadal
Murray vs Gonzalez-->Gonzalez
Del Potro vs Djokovic-->Djokovic
Federer vs Roddick-->Federer

Predicted semis

Nadal vs Gonzalez-->Nadal
Federer vs Djokovic-->Djokovic

Finals

Nadal vs Djokovic-->Nadal in 4 or 5 tight sets.

Gorecki
05-22-2009, 09:48 AM
at Vilas fan...
cant say i "LOL'd" but i "ZEERf-ed" a bit and i "SNI-pet'ed" some...

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 09:57 AM
Predicted semis

Nadal vs Gonzalez-->Nadal
Federer vs Djokovic-->Djokovic

Finals

Nadal vs Djokovic-->Nadal in 4 or 5 tight sets.

Who's got the tougher Semis match?

Who's not even making the Final according to you...

yeah... joke of a draw for Feds... jeez.. his draw is so easy he should be winning RG don't ya think... after all it IS about winning the tournament isn't it?

Whatever. Let's be honest here. With the top 4 players...nobody gives a flip about making the quarters. :rolleyes:

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:02 AM
why did serendipitous vote 10 times? kids these days. :)

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:04 AM
I agee with Dutch-Guy I can see Gonzo hitting Murray off the court on clay.

batz
05-22-2009, 10:04 AM
Djokovic has the hardest draw imo.

I agree - I was just being facetious on the basis that Murray has the least votes in the 'hardest draw' poll.

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:05 AM
Roger's draw through to the semis is laughable :Berdych, Blake and Roddick in his quarter.Having Djokovic in his half is great for the tournament though, should be a great battle if they meet.Rafa on the other hand has a very tough draw with all the outside threats Verdasco, Ferrer, Gonzalez, Davydenko, Wawrinka and Murray are all in the top half.

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Yep another joke of a draw for Wodgie at the RG. And they wonder why he consistently reaches the finals there. Well look at his draws. Thats your answer: Berdych? Blake? Roddick? On freakin clay? Gimme a break.


Djoker will snap Roger back into reality very quickly though

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:07 AM
Yep another joke of a draw for Wodgie at the RG. And they wonder why he consistently reaches the finals there. Well look at his draws. Thats your answer: Berdych? Blake? Roddick? On freakin clay? Gimme a break

Roger might as well play hid matches up into the semis drunk with the clown draw he has got.

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:08 AM
I agee with Dutch-Guy I can see Gonzo hitting Murray off the court on clay.

oh it's going to be fun to watch murray going crazy while losing. :)

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:12 AM
oh it's going to be fun to watch murray going crazy while losing. :)

Yeah its funny when he takes it out on the umpire when he makes an unforced can you see Murray losing to Gonzo?

batz
05-22-2009, 10:13 AM
oh it's going to be fun to watch murray going crazy while losing. :)

Make the most of it when it happens - you won't see it much again until the next clay season.

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:13 AM
Roger might as well play hid matches up into the semis drunk with the clown draw he has got.

Yea Roger is pretty much a 100 percent guarantee through to the semis considering the clown draw he got. If Roger has to deal with Djoker and Nadal b2b though, hes screwed. He still isnt going to come out of the French the champion if he has to deal with these two. Doubtful he will even make it by Djoker

fedtastic
05-22-2009, 10:15 AM
Nadal has the easiest draw since he plays in a weak era where there are no great clay courters.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:15 AM
Who's got the tougher Semis match?

Who's not even making the Final according to you...

yeah... joke of a draw for Feds... jeez.. his draw is so easy he should be winning RG don't ya think... after all it IS about winning the tournament isn't it?

Whatever. Let's be honest here. With the top 4 players...nobody gives a flip about making the quarters. :rolleyes:

Fed's competition won't start until the semis.That was my point.

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:16 AM
Fed's competition won't start until the semis.That was my point.


exactly.. Imagine if Fed could get the draw he has all the through to the finals though and Nadal and Djoker get taken out before Fed even has to meet them though.

fedtastic
05-22-2009, 10:16 AM
Yep another joke of a draw for Wodgie at the RG. And they wonder why he consistently reaches the finals there. Well look at his draws. Thats your answer: Berdych? Blake? Roddick? On freakin clay? Gimme a break.


Djoker will snap Roger back into reality very quickly though

It's not Roger's fault that its a weak era on clay.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:18 AM
I agee with Dutch-Guy I can see Gonzo hitting Murray off the court on clay.

Gone-zalez 'll take Muzza out for sure.Murray couldn't even make it pass Monaco and Del Potro in MS lol.

fedtastic
05-22-2009, 10:18 AM
Fed's competition won't start until the semis.That was my point.

Nadal's proper practice session won't start until the final. :)
Nadal's potential toughest semi final opponent is Murray on clay. What a joke of a draw.

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:19 AM
Yeah its funny when he takes it out on the umpire when he makes an unforced can you see Murray losing to Gonzo?

I think he will be okay with gonzo because the backhand is always a way out with gonzo and then the ue from gonzo might pile up on clay. But there are a couple of real dirtballers on his side so he might not even make it to gonzo. Although that would be a fun match to watch if he gets there.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:19 AM
Roger might as well play hid matches up into the semis drunk with the clown draw he has got.

Don't you have to win the Semis match in order to have a shot at winning the tournament?

Just wondering.

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:20 AM
Nadal's proper practice session won't start until the final. :)
Nadal's potential toughest semi final opponent is Murray on clay. What a joke of a draw.


Murray prolly wont even make it that far. And verdasco is a tough player. Hes no picnic to play. Hes not as much of a joke as Blake or Roddick are on clay

batz
05-22-2009, 10:21 AM
Gone-zalez 'll take Muzza out for sure.Murray couldn't even make it pass Monaco and Del Potro in MS lol.

Nadal couldn't make it past DelP in a MS either - your point is? Murray did make it past Davydenko and Robredo though - I believe both of them have gone quite deep @ RG on several occasions?

Murray will beat Gonzo if they meet - then he'll lose in straights to Rafa.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:22 AM
Nadal's proper practice session won't start until the final. :)
Nadal's potential toughest semi final opponent is Murray on clay. What a joke of a draw.

This is so true. A Murray semis match for Nadal??? You gotta be kidding me... nobody cares about the top 4 making it to the quarters... the quarters is a poor result for these guys.

It's all about Semis and the Final and this is where Joker and Fed have it much tougher than Nadal.

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:22 AM
Make the most of it when it happens - you won't see it much again until the next clay season.

I am looking forward to really watching him on grass this year. There was this one shot that he hit against haas in the 1st set of last year's wimbledon that is seared into my head.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:23 AM
Nadal's proper practice session won't start until the final. :)
He has first to go through Almagro,Ferrer,Wawrinka, Verdasco,Davydenko, Gonzalez,etc.
Nadal's potential toughest semi final opponent is Murray on clay. What a joke of a draw.
And Fed's toughest opponents til the semis are... What a joke of a draw!!!

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:23 AM
Murray prolly wont even make it that far. And verdasco is a tough player. Hes no picnic to play. Hes not as much of a joke as Blake or Roddick are on clay

Isn't Fed playing two clay-court specialists in his first two rounds? Aren't they tougher than Nad's first round qualifier (LMAO) and the second round no-name Russian?

What a moron! :)

Both Martin and Acasuso have made it to the 4th round of the FO... says A LOT more than what Nadal's first few round opponents have to say. Idiot.

batz
05-22-2009, 10:25 AM
I am looking forward to really watching him on grass this year. There was this one shot that he hit against haas in the 1st set of last year's wimbledon that is seared into my head.

I think Murray has a real chance of making semis @ SW19 (although I am pretty biased). We'll see what happens after that.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:27 AM
He has first to go through Almagro,Ferrer,Wawrinka, Verdasco,Davydenko, Gonzalez,etc.

And Fed's toughest opponents til the semis are... What a joke of a draw!!!

Fed's first two rounds... Martin and Acasuso... they've both made the 4th round of FO... what have Nadal's first two round opponents done?

Oh that's right.... they are no-names.

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:27 AM
I think Murray has a real chance of making semis @ SW19 (although I am pretty biased). We'll see what happens after that.

I think he will make it to the semis there too.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:28 AM
Nadal couldn't make it past DelP in a MS either - your point is?
But Nadal annihilated Murray a week earlier.
Murray did make it past Davydenko and Robredo though - I believe both of them have gone quite deep @ RG on several occasions?
These guys are more dangerous on clay than on hard courts.To me Muzza is the best on HC at the moment.
Murray will beat Gonzo if they meet - then he'll lose in straights to Rafa.
Has Murray ever won anything on clay? How far has he ever made it in MC,Rome or RG?

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:29 AM
Federer will probably be rusty by the time he makes it to Djoker in the semis because he really isn't going to be pushed by the clowns in his draw.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 10:30 AM
Nadal has by far the most easiest draw! What a cakewalk of a draw...The only threats to him (Djokovic & DelPotro) are in Federer's half!

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:30 AM
Fed's first two rounds... Martin and Acasuso...
Martin who? Acusso who?
they've both made the 4th round of FO... what have Nadal's first two round opponents done?
Check his draw.

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:31 AM
Isn't Fed playing two clay-court specialists in his first two rounds? Aren't they tougher than Nad's first round qualifier (LMAO) and the second round no-name Russian?

What a moron! :)

Both Martin and Acasuso have made it to the 4th round of the FO... says A LOT more than what Nadal's first few round opponents have to say. Idiot.

There are NO clay court specialists today.. Goofy. Unless you want to count Djoker and Nadal as one. But both are tough on other surfaces as well.

Acususo? Martin? Have these guys ever won an RG title? Nope.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:32 AM
Federer will probably be rusty by the time he makes it to Djoker in the semis because he really isn't going to be pushed by the clowns in his draw.

So then... isn't that a detriment to Fed's chances of winning the tournament?

You don't think a lot do you?

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:32 AM
Nadal has by far the most easiest draw! What a cakewalk of a draw...The only threats to him (Djokovic & DelPotro) are in Federer's half!

Del Potro should be no threat to Nadal on clay. Are people forgetting Verdasco? Fed wouldnt want any of him at RG. Im sure he is happy cakewalking through clowns like Blake, Roddick, and Berdych until he gets to a legit player in Djoker

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:33 AM
Martin who? Acusso who?

Check his draw.

Yep a couple of NOBODIES. Federphiles trying to build these two players up like they are something special. LOL.. Great stuff

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:34 AM
Martin who? Acusso who?

How is this funny? They've both made the 4th round of the FO. Is that "nothing" to you especially since these are 1st and 2nd rd. opponents?

Check his draw.

Who's draw? Nadal's? He's playing a qualifier in the 1st rd and a no-name russian, neither of whom have made it past the 1st rd. of the French.

And for Nadal's third round? Hewitt??? LMAO... you'd be referring to Hewitt as a "joke opponent" if he were facing Fed in the third round.

oscar_2424
05-22-2009, 10:34 AM
Federer always gets the easiest draws.

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:34 AM
So then... isn't that a detriment to Fed's chances of winning the tournament?

You don't think a lot do you?

geez he obviously meant it as a negative for federer's chances.

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:35 AM
Nadal has by far the most easiest draw! What a cakewalk of a draw...The only threats to him (Djokovic & DelPotro) are in Federer's half!

Because Blake, Roddick and Berdych are clay court gods aren't they :)

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:36 AM
Nadal has Verdasco and Ferrer floating about in the draw too very good players better than Blake, Roddick and Berdych on clay.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:37 AM
Yep a couple of NOBODIES. Federphiles trying to build these two players up like they are something special. LOL.. Great stuff

Uhhh...

Martin > qualifier

Acasuso > the russian no-name Nadal faces in Rd. 2

Paul-Henri Mathieu > Hewitt... who is Fed's toy


So for the first three rounds WHO has it tougher exactly? You guys are seriously intellectually challenged.

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:38 AM
Nadal has Verdasco and Ferrer floating about in the draw too very good players better than Blake, Roddick and Berdych on clay.

I know right.. Im sure Fed is just happy with the draw he has received up until the semis. Hell he can play his draw up until then with his eyes blindfolded

vtmike
05-22-2009, 10:38 AM
Del Potro should be no threat to Nadal on clay. Are people forgetting Verdasco? Fed wouldnt want any of him at RG. Im sure he is happy cakewalking through clowns like Blake, Roddick, and Berdych until he gets to a legit player in Djoker

Give me a break? What has Verdasco done on clay so far? He is just a clown who lays down in front of Nadal in awe on clay! (Notice how I am trying to give you a dose of your own medicine)

Who else does Nadal has to beat? Soderling, Murray, Gonzalez, Kunitisin? Just a bunch of CLOWNS & NOBODIES who Nadal can beat blindfolded! and you say Fed has a tougher draw? Yeah right!!!

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:39 AM
I know right.. Im sure Fed is just happy with the draw he has received up until the semis. Hell he can play his draw up until then with his eyes blindfolded

Blindfolded and drunk lol.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:39 AM
geez he obviously meant it as a negative for federer's chances.

Huh? Of course I know that... wtf. But he's complaining Fed's got a joke of a draw and then said he'll be rusty because of no competition. Hence Fed's draw may actually hurt Fed's chances at winning the FO...

Which means if Fed does win it.. you can't blame it on the supposed "joke of a draw".

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:40 AM
How is this funny? They've both made the 4th round of the FO. Is that "nothing" to you especially since these are 1st and 2nd rd. opponents?
You have to remember: Roger would struggle with Ferrer,Verdasco or Gonzalez.And he has lost to Wawrinka.But Blake and Roddick...the biggest clay clowns around.Blake who somehow remains in the top 20 and Roddick in the top 10 even though the pretty much skip the entire clay season up to RG.
And for Nadal's third round? Hewitt??? LMAO... you'd be referring to Hewitt as a "joke opponent" if he were facing Fed in the third round.
Rafa had a tough match against him (Hamburg 07) after which he got crushed in the finals by Fed.

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:40 AM
Lol at Federer fans making out Martin and Vassolo are tough opponents.

batz
05-22-2009, 10:41 AM
But Nadal annihilated Murray a week earlier.

These guys are more dangerous on clay than on hard courts.To me Muzza is the best on HC at the moment.

Has Murray ever won anything on clay? How far has he ever made it in MC,Rome or RG?

Nope, and I'm not saying he will win anything. I said at the start of the clay season that a semi and a couple of quarters would represent a pretty good clay season for Murray this year - he's made semi in MC and QF in Madrid and he's beaten a couple of good clay guys on the way.

I don't think gonzo is a good match up for Murray on any surface - Murray took him to 3 sets as a kid in 2005 and beat him in 5 sets in 2006 (albeit on fast surfaces). I think Murray will beat gonzo if they meet. It's just my (biased) opinion though.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 10:41 AM
Because Blake, Roddick and Berdych are clay court gods aren't they :)

because Soderling, Murray, Verdasco & Hewitt are clay GOD's aren't they? What a JOKE! :lol:

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:41 AM
Uhhh...

Martin > qualifier

Acasuso > the russian no-name Nadal faces in Rd. 2

Paul-Henri Mathieu > Hewitt... who is Fed's toy


So for the first three rounds WHO has it tougher exactly? You guys are seriously intellectually challenged.

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:42 AM
Huh? Of course I know that... wtf. But he's complaining Fed's got a joke of a draw and then said he'll be rusty because of no competition. Hence Fed's draw may actually hurt Fed's chances at winning the FO...

Which means if Fed does win it.. you can't blame it on the supposed "joke of a draw".

Until the semis fed's draw is a lot easier than nadal's draw. Come semis, if djokovic is there, that probably makes up for the easy earlier rounds. Overall I would say that nadal would not change his draw for fed's draw.

maximo
05-22-2009, 10:42 AM
What?

Murray expected to play Nadal in SF's, that suckkkss.

Djokovic should count himself lucky...

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:42 AM
because Soderling, Murray, Verdasco & Hewitt are clay GOD's aren't they? What a JOKE! :lol:

Verdasco, Ferrrer and Verdasco are better than Blake, Roddick and Berdych on clay.

fedtastic
05-22-2009, 10:44 AM
Murray prolly wont even make it that far. And verdasco is a tough player. Hes no picnic to play. Hes not as much of a joke as Blake or Roddick are on clay

I know Verdasco is a better claycourter than Blake or Roddick but Verdasco now has a 9-0 H2H against Rafa. Verdasco has to play the game of his life when to even win 1 set against Nadal. I don't see any tough opponents for Nadal until the final. Except Ferrer maybe. Federer has an easy draw until the semis as well.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:44 AM
Rafa had a tough match against him (Hamburg 07) after which he got crushed in the finals by Fed.

How is that fair? That's Nadal's fault isn't it? If Hewitt were Fed's 3rd round opponent you'd be like... "joke of a draw"

Fed may have Blake and Roddick in his draw... but Fed also has the first three rounds tougher than Nadal has it.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:45 AM
Verdasco, Ferrrer and Verdasco are better than Blake, Roddick and Berdych on clay.

Martin, Acasuso and Paul-Henri Mathieu are better than Qualifier, no-name Russian and Hewitt on clay.


Your point?

mandy01
05-22-2009, 10:46 AM
Verdasco, Ferrrer and Verdasco are better than Blake, Roddick and Berdych on clay. as if they are all certain to meet Roger...
And anyway,for Nadal the only probl would've been semis which now,he wont have to deal with..
Whiners.. :roll:

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:46 AM
because Soderling, Murray, Verdasco & Hewitt are clay GOD's aren't they? What a JOKE! :lol:

I would put my money even on Murray and Verdasco over AFraud and Flake on clay


Verdasco is a much more credible opponent on clay. So is Ferrer and Fed has to deal with neither. You could hog-tie Fed until the Semis and he will make it through without even dropping a set to these clowns. Only reason Roddick even got a set off Fed at Madrid was because of the surface

vtmike
05-22-2009, 10:46 AM
Verdasco, Ferrrer and Verdasco are better than Blake, Roddick and Berdych on clay.

I didn't know Nadal is playing Verdasco twice? :?

What has Verdasco done after that AO match? Let me tell you.....NOTHING!!! Fed beat him in straights, and then Nadal beat him in straights...Has he even reached the final of any tournament? But suddenly he becomes a GOD of clay because he is in Nadal's half! Give me a break! What a JOKE!!

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:47 AM
Martin, Acasuso and Paul-Henri Mathieu are better than Qualifier, no-name Russian and Hewitt on clay.


Your point?

Hewitt aint great on clay but he has been to the quaters at RG and Roddick and Blake have?

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:48 AM
I didn't know Nadal is playing Verdasco twice? :?

What has Verdasco done after that AO match? Let me tell you.....NOTHING!!! Fed beat him in straights, and then Nadal beat him in straights...Has he even reached the final of any tournament? But suddenly he becomes a GOD of clay because he is in Nadal's half! Give me a break! What a JOKE!!

I meant Davydenko who has 2 or 3 semis at RG.

fedtastic
05-22-2009, 10:48 AM
I didn't know Nadal is playing Verdasco twice? :?

What has Verdasco done after that AO match? Let me tell you.....NOTHING!!! Fed beat him in straights, and then Nadal beat him in straights...Has he even reached the final of any tournament? But suddenly he becomes a GOD of clay because he is in Nadal's half! Give me a break! What a JOKE!!

haha
10 char

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:48 AM
I didn't know Nadal is playing Verdasco twice? :?

What has Verdasco after that AO match? Let me tell you.....NOTHING!!! Fed beat him in straights, and then Nadal beat him in straights...Has he even reached the final of any tournament? But suddenly he becomes a GOD of clay because he is in Nadal's half! Give me a break! What a JOKE!!

Please he's been a qf in every tournament he's played since the AO. He would beat roddick and blake every single time, forever, on clay.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:48 AM
I didn't know Nadal is playing Verdasco twice? :?

What has Verdasco done after that AO match? Let me tell you.....NOTHING!!! Fed beat him in straights, and then Nadal beat him in straights...Has he even reached the final of any tournament? But suddenly he becomes a GOD of clay because he is in Nadal's half! Give me a break! What a JOKE!!

I don't know why they focus on the latter end of the quarters when Fed's first three rounds will be tougher than Nadal's joke first three rounds... why are they ignoring the crucial first three rounds?

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:48 AM
Nope, and I'm not saying he will win anything. I said at the start of the clay season that a semi and a couple of quarters would represent a pretty good clay season for Murray this year - he's made semi in MC and QF in Madrid and he's beaten a couple of good clay guys on the way.

I don't think gonzo is a good match up for Murray on any surface - Murray took him to 3 sets as a kid in 2005 and beat him in 5 sets in 2006 (albeit on fast surfaces). I think Murray will beat gonzo if they meet. It's just my (biased) opinion though.

Ok.I give you that.Let's wait and see i'd say.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 10:49 AM
Hewitt aint great on clay but he has been to the quaters at RG and Roddick and Blake have?

Hewitt is wayyyyy past his prime...OTOH Roddick took a set off Federer recently (you know they guy who beat Nadal last weeK!) Blake has also done much better than Hewitt in the past year or so...You also have DelPo (another guy who beat the current world # 1), and Djokovic who is supposed to be one of Nadal's biggest threat!

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:50 AM
Hewitt aint great on clay but he has been to the quaters at RG and Roddick and Blake have?

No but Fed's first two opponents... Martin and Acasuso have BOTH made it to the 4th round... how bout that for round 1 and 2 opponents? What can Nadal's first two opponents say for themselves?

Nothing.

Stop focusing so much on only one little part of the draw and look at the WHOLE thing.

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:50 AM
Martin, Acasuso and Paul-Henri Mathieu are better than Qualifier, no-name Russian and Hewitt on clay.


Your point?

Hewitt's been extremely solid on clay the last 3 years (injured last year? maybe). He is the only guy to really push nadal at RG besides federer and mathieu. Nadal was in danger of losing their 06 RG match.

maximo
05-22-2009, 10:50 AM
Ok.I give you that.Let's wait and see i'd say.

The court is soo slow that Gonzo's cannon forehand is useless.

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:50 AM
No but Fed's first two opponents... Martin and Acasuso have BOTH made it to the 4th round... how bout that for round 1 and 2 opponents? What can Nadal's first two opponents say for themselves?

Nothing.

Martin is 50 years old. Acasuso? has he done anything this or last year? If this is who you are comparing to verdasco and ferrer, then you don't have a good argument at all.

batz
05-22-2009, 10:51 AM
Ok.I give you that.Let's wait and see i'd say.

No worries mate - like I said, just my opinion, it's different to yours but that doesn't make it any more valid - we're all entitled to our views - except Cesc (just kidding mucker;))

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 10:51 AM
Hewitt is wayyyyy past his prime...OTOH Roddick took a set off Federer recently (you know they guy who beat Nadal last weeK!) Blake has also done much better than Hewitt in the past year or so...You also have DelPo (another guy who beat the current world # 1), and Djokovic who is supposed to be one of Nadal's biggest threat!

Roddick took a set off Fed on fast clay. Not the clay we will see at RG. Come on now!!!

Cesc Fabregas
05-22-2009, 10:51 AM
Hewitt's been extremely solid on clay the last 3 years (injured last year? maybe). He is the only guy to really push nadal at RG besides federer and mathieu. Nadal was in danger of losing their 06 RG match.

Hewitt has always been to the quaters at RG something Roddick and Blake will never do.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:51 AM
Hewitt's been extremely solid on clay the last 3 years (injured last year? maybe). He is the only guy to really push nadal at RG besides federer and mathieu. Nadal was in danger of losing their 06 RG match.

Yeah and look at where Mathieu is... oh yeah.. Fed's third round opponent.. after Martin and Acasuso... both 4th round FO opponents.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:53 AM
Martin is 50 years old. Acasuso? has he done anything this or last year? If this is who you are comparing to verdasco and ferrer, then you don't have a good argument at all.

Why on Earth would I compare them to Verdasco and Ferrer when Nadal faces them later on???

I am comparing Nadal's first three rounds vs. Federer's first three rounds.

I love how you are all skipping the first three opponents for both Fed and Nadal like they are not part of the draw.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:53 AM
How is that fair? That's Nadal's fault isn't it?
Yes it is.


If Hewitt were Fed's 3rd round opponent you'd be like... "joke of a draw"
No i wouldn't.Heck why 'd i?

Fed may have Blake and Roddick in his draw... but Fed also has the first three rounds tougher than Nadal has it.

Rafa has natural clay courters in his draw whereas Fed has(--- fill in the blank).

vtmike
05-22-2009, 10:53 AM
Hewitt has always been to the quaters at RG something Roddick and Blake will never do.

That was in the past! Tell me what Hewitt has in 2009? Let me answer that for you............N*O*T*H*I*N*G!!!

Lets face it all the players who could have hurt Nadal or have in recent times are in Fed's half! In gj011's words...Yet another conspiracy against Fed! What a joke of a draw Nadal has! A real cakewalk! ;) :D

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:53 AM
Yeah and look at where Mathieu is... oh yeah.. Fed's third round opponent.. after Martin and Acasuso... both 4th round FO opponents.

Look if you asked any player who they would rather face in the first few rounds, (martin, acasuso, mathieu) or (verdasco, ferrer and maybe hewitt and a healthy(?) davydenko). It wouldn't even be close, no one would be picking the first crew.

cknobman
05-22-2009, 10:55 AM
Murrays draw on paper is easiest but since Murray sucks on clay it wont be all that easy for him.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:55 AM
The court is soo slow that Gonzo's cannon forehand is useless.

I don't know about that.If Monaco and Del Potro can take Muzza out on clay than so can Gonzo.And he 'll.(i have nothing against Murray though).

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:55 AM
Look if you asked any player who they would rather face in the first few rounds, (martin, acasuso, mathieu) or (verdasco, ferrer and maybe hewitt and a healthy(?) davydenko). It wouldn't even be close, no one would be picking the first crew.

Man! Verdasco, Ferrer and these guys are NOT in Nadal's first three rounds!!!

I am looking at the first three rounds. Jesus how many times do I have to say it.

Fed's first three rounds vs. Nadal's first three rounds.... Fed has stronger competition!

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:55 AM
That was in the past! Tell me what Hewitt has in 2009? Let me answer that for you............N*O*T*H*I*N*G!!!

Recovering from injury. he would have schooled martin, acasuso and mathieu with bad hip and all, I am afraid to think what he would do now.

fedtastic
05-22-2009, 10:57 AM
Guys as a ******* I will say that Fed and Murray have the easist draws until the semis. After that no easy draw for anyone. Djoko and Nadal have tougher draws but they are the two best clay courters this season so it won't be a problem for them.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 10:57 AM
No i wouldn't.Heck why 'd i?

Because for Fed... Hewitt is like Roddick and stands no chance against Fed.

Rafa has natural clay courters in his draw whereas Fed has(--- fill in the blank).

Martin and Acasuso...both are clay-court specialists!

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 10:58 AM
That was in the past! Tell me what Hewitt has in 2009? Let me answer that for you............N*O*T*H*I*N*G!!!

Lets face it all the players who could have hurt Nadal or have in recent times are in Fed's half! In gj011's words...Yet another conspiracy against Fed! What a joke of a draw Nadal has! A real cakewalk! ;) :D

W R O N G.He won Houston (250) on CLAY in april.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 10:58 AM
Recovering from injury. he would have schooled martin, acasuso and mathieu with bad hip and all, I am afraid to think what he would do now.

So they put an injured player who is recovering in Nadal's half! What a Joke!

btw why are you concentrating on the first round? You think any of Nadal's first round opponents would beat Fed?

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:58 AM
Man! Verdasco, Ferrer and these guys are NOT in Nadal's first three rounds!!!

I am looking at the first three rounds. Jesus how many times do I have to say it.

Fed's first three rounds vs. Nadal's first three rounds.... Fed has stronger competition!

ok, didn't even look at those. But you have to admit the group of hewitt, ferrer, davydenko, verdasco is just a lot worse to face than what fed. is looking at.

bolo
05-22-2009, 10:59 AM
So they put an injured player who is recovering in Nadal's half! What a Joke!

btw why are you concentrating on the first round? You think any of Nadal's first round opponents would beat Fed?

I am actually concentrating on the big guys before the semis. I already said overall that nadal would not trade his draw for fed.

batz
05-22-2009, 10:59 AM
Guys as a ******* I will say that Fed and Murray have the easist draws until the semis. After that no easy draw for anyone. Djoko and Nadal have tougher draws but they are the two best clay courters this season so it won't be a problem for them.

Agree with all of this.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 11:00 AM
W R O N G.He won Houston (250) on CLAY in april.

Tell me honestly....Do you think Hewitt would beat Fed in RG? Then why this discussion...Hewitt will not cause any trouble no matter which draw he is in...He WAS a good player...but he is recovering from injury now!

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 11:02 AM
Because for Fed...
I'm a Rafa supporter,not a Fed hater.
Hewitt is like Roddick and stands no chance against Fed.
Unlike Roddick,Hewitt has made past 1/4 in RG twice if my memory serves me correctly.Further he won Houston (250) this year on clay.How far has Roddick ever made in Paris?
Martin and Acasuso...both are clay-court specialists!
Huh? I'll check that later.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 11:03 AM
Guys as a ******* I will say that Fed and Murray have the easist draws until the semis. After that no easy draw for anyone. Djoko and Nadal have tougher draws but they are the two best clay courters this season so it won't be a problem for them.

But that's the key...Draw upto the semis does not matter all that much! Its the players that Fed & Nadal will face from the QF onwards....and QF onwards Nadal has the easier draw hands down!

bolo
05-22-2009, 11:04 AM
Tell me honestly....Do you think Hewitt would beat Fed in RG? Then why this discussion...Hewitt will not cause any trouble no matter which draw he is in...He WAS a good player...but he is recovering from injury now!

note the hewitt article that was just posted in general messages. He is dangerous, far more than any acasuso, martin types. It's just not even close.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 11:06 AM
^^^ See post above you!

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 11:06 AM
Tell me honestly....Do you think Hewitt would beat Fed in RG?
Honestly not but he at least won a title on clay this year,unlike players that Fed 'll face til the semis.
Hewitt will not cause any trouble no matter which draw he is in...He WAS a good player...but he is recovering from injury now!
You are 100% right.I didn't want to bring his name in the discussion til you said he has has yet anything this year.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 11:08 AM
I am actually concentrating on the big guys before the semis. I already said overall that nadal would not trade his draw for fed.

Exactly! So no need for any long discussions...

bolo
05-22-2009, 11:10 AM
^^^ See post above you!

Well it doesn't matter for nadal, but it might matter for fed. The important thing is whether you think fed's early season results are indicative of a decline in performance or whether he is just coasting in between slams. This is also his worst surface, there is no doubt he would rather have his pre-semi draw than nadal's.

bolo
05-22-2009, 11:10 AM
Exactly! So no need for any long discussions...

We were focusing on the earlier rounds, sorry if that doesn't interest you.

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 11:10 AM
Why wouldnt Nadal trade his draw for Fed's? Are blake, Roddick, Berdych actually going to do any damage to nadal either? Nadal would be handing breaksticks left and right to these guys.


Nadal im sure is happy he doesnt have to deal with Djoker though. i will agree

And still how people underestimate Verdasco. At any time he could be a deadly weapon and give anyone problems. Even Nadal on clay. Who knows. Verdasco may give nadal just as many problems as Djoker would.

bruce38
05-22-2009, 11:11 AM
Nadal has by far the easiest draw. Federer has to go through the third best clay courter in Djokovic, Nadal doesn't. Simple as that. Next issue...

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 11:12 AM
Nadal has by far the easiest draw. Federer has to go through the third best clay courter in Djokovic, Nadal doesn't. Simple as that. Next issue...

Nadal has had to go through Djoker at RG. Fed finally has to which is a change of pace. Djoker isnt or wasnt going to beat Nadal at the French anyways unless Nadal is totally gassed

vtmike
05-22-2009, 11:13 AM
Well it doesn't matter for nadal, but it might matter for fed. The important thing is whether you think fed's early season results are indicative of a decline in performance or whether he is just coasting in between slams. This is also his worst surface, there is no doubt he would rather have his pre-semi draw than nadal's.

He just won in Madrid LAST WEEK on clay! It maybe his worst surface, but he is no mug on clay! If you think any of Nadal's first round opponents would hurt him then I STRONGLY disagree with you! Sorry....but barring injury, NO Chance!

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 11:14 AM
I do believe Rafa will be in the finals.However, the road to get there is very difficult...especially given that he doesn't finish points quickly.Rafa lost in Madrid after playing tough matches against Verdasco and Novak.Roger? Interestingly enough given today's draw,he gets to play Blake and Roddick again...assuming they even make it that far. The only difference between Madrid and here? Federer gets Novak.

bolo
05-22-2009, 11:15 AM
He just won in Madrid LAST WEEK on clay! It maybe his worst surface, but he is no mug on clay! If you think any of Nadal's first round opponents would hurt him then I STRONGLY disagree with you! Sorry....but barring injury, NO Chance!

Yes, but he's played many bad matches and lost many tournaments before that. It's just probabilities, fed. would be favored against all of nadal's early rounders but not by as much. It's not win/lose it's your chances of winning and losing. Fed's chances would go down if he had nadal's early rounders.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 11:16 AM
Nadal has had to go through Djoker at RG. Fed finally has to which is a change of pace. Djoker isnt or wasnt going to beat Nadal at the French anyways unless Nadal is totally gassed

Oh Come On!!! Big Deal!!!

Let me break it down for you...

1) In 2005 Djokovic lost to Guillermo Coria in the second round of RG (he retired after three sets). So it did not matter if he was in Fed's or Nadal's half anyways...

2) In 2006 Djokovic lost to Nadal in the QF in TWO sets (he retired after playing two sets!). So he would have retired against any other player. Thus it did not matter if he was in Nadal's of Fed's half again...

3) In 2007 Djokovic lost to Nadal in three straight sets...and Fed took Nadal to four sets (more than what Djokovic was able to achieve). So how can you say Djokovic would have defeated Fed in the semis had they met based on their performances against Nadal? :-?

4) 2008 is the only year where it might have made a difference as Djokovic performed better against Nadal than Fed...But then again who's to say Fed would not have been able to beat Djokovic? We all know how Fed crumbles mentally against Nadal (proof: AO 2009). I mean he did beat Djokovic in the semis of the USO the same year & also in Monte Carlo on clay didn't he? :shock: So that is just speculation!

So it did not matter who's half Djokovic was in because he would not have got to the finals anyways!

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 11:17 AM
Does anybody know which part of the draw starts sunday?

bolo
05-22-2009, 11:17 AM
Why wouldnt Nadal trade his draw for Fed's? Are blake, Roddick, Berdych actually going to do any damage to nadal either? Nadal would be handing breaksticks left and right to these guys.


Nadal im sure is happy he doesnt have to deal with Djoker though. i will agree

And still how people underestimate Verdasco. At any time he could be a deadly weapon and give anyone problems. Even Nadal on clay. Who knows. Verdasco may give nadal just as many problems as Djoker would.

verdasco is a real wild card too imo. He is building up his level every time he plays one of the top 4. Come u.s. open time he's going to hammer one of the top 4.

matchmaker
05-22-2009, 11:21 AM
I think Fed has a relatively easy draw except for the fact that Djokovic is his potential semifinal opponent, and that is a big big fish.

GameSampras
05-22-2009, 11:21 AM
Oh Come On!!! Big Deal!!!

Let me break it down for you...

1) In 2005 Djokovic lost to Guillermo Coria in the second round of RG (he retired after three sets). So it did not matter if he was in Fed's or Nadal's half anyways...

2) In 2006 Djokovic lost to Nadal in the QF in TWO sets (he retired after playing two sets!). So he would have retired against any other player. Thus it did not matter if he was in Nadal's of Fed's half again...

3) In 2007 Djokovic lost to Nadal in three straight sets...and Fed took Nadal to four sets (more than what Djokovic was able to achieve). So how can you say Djokovic would have defeated Fed in the semis had they met based on their performances against Nadal? :-?

4) 2008 is the only year where it might have made a difference as Djokovic performed better against Nadal than Fed...But then again who's to say Fed would not have been able to beat Djokovic? We all know how Fed crumbles mentally against Nadal (proof: AO 2009). I mean he did beat Djokovic in the semis of the USO the same year & also in Monte Carlo on clay didn't he? :shock: So that is just speculation!

So it did not matter who's half Djokovic was in because he would not have got to the finals anyways!



Hey its about time Fed has to play a credible opponent such as Djoker in route to the finals of the RG finals. Hes had one too many cakewalks over the years there. THis is just Karma going back to bit Roger a good one.

Sela, Almagro, Gonzalez(twice), almost 30 yr old Moya, Hanescu, Hartfiled, Falla, Massu, Berdych, Ancic(twice), Nalbandian(was actually down 6-3,3-0 when David got hurt), Russell, Ascione, Starace, Youzhny, Robredo, Davydenko, Querry, Montanes, Benneteau and Monfils before getting to Nadal.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 11:23 AM
Let me ask all of you who are saying Nadal has a tougher draw...

Would Nadal trade his draw with Federer?

If your answer is YES :-? Then please explain

If your answer is NO, then just stop this crap on conspiracy theories!

vtmike
05-22-2009, 11:24 AM
Hey its about time Fed has to play a credible opponent such as Djoker in route to the finals of the RG finals. Hes had one too many cakewalks over the years there. THis is just Karma going back to bit Roger a good one.

Sela, Almagro, Gonzalez(twice), almost 30 yr old Moya, Hanescu, Hartfiled, Falla, Massu, Berdych, Ancic(twice), Nalbandian(was actually down 6-3,3-0 when David got hurt), Russell, Ascione, Starace, Youzhny, Robredo, Davydenko, Querry, Montanes, Benneteau and Monfils before getting to Nadal.

Yes totally ignore the point of my post and bring up a different irrelevant point! Good Job!

tennisplaya
05-22-2009, 11:25 AM
No but Fed's first two opponents... Martin and Acasuso have BOTH made it to the 4th round... how bout that for round 1 and 2 opponents? What can Nadal's first two opponents say for themselves?

Nothing.

Stop focusing so much on only one little part of the draw and look at the WHOLE thing.


Alberto Martin is one of the worst players ever at the French Open (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=0&player=M590&selTournament=520&prevtrnnum=0). The only reason he ever got past the first round is because he played Roddick last year. lol. He's 4-10 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2009&selTournament=0&player=M590&x=12&y=13&query=Singles) this year and hasnt beaten anyone in the top 50 all year (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2009&selTournament=0&player=M590&x=12&y=13&query=Singles) so stop trying to pump him up as some sort of clay God. :lol:


And Acasuso has won ONE MATCH in his last 7 tournaments (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=A389), and that was v the world #59, so likewise stop trying to pump him up as some soft of clay Genius. :roll:

http://blogs.townonline.com/cambridge/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lol1.jpg

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 11:32 AM
Alberto Martin is one of the worst players ever at the French Open (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=0&player=M590&selTournament=520&prevtrnnum=0). The only reason he ever got past the first round is because he played Roddick last year. lol. He's 4-10 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2009&selTournament=0&player=M590&x=12&y=13&query=Singles) this year and hasnt beaten anyone in the top 50 all year (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2009&selTournament=0&player=M590&x=12&y=13&query=Singles) so stop trying to pump him up as some sort of clay God. :lol:


And Acasuso has won ONE MATCH in his last 7 tournaments (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=A389), and that was v the world #59, so likewise stop trying to pump him up as some soft of clay Genius. :roll:


Thanx for the links.So much for "tough" opponents. lol

bolo
05-22-2009, 11:32 AM
Alberto Martin is one of the worst players ever at the French Open (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/5/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?query=Singles&year=0&player=M590&selTournament=520&prevtrnnum=0). The only reason he ever got past the first round is because he played Roddick last year. lol. He's 4-10 (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2009&selTournament=0&player=M590&x=12&y=13&query=Singles) this year and hasnt beaten anyone in the top 50 all year (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?prevtrnnum=0&year=2009&selTournament=0&player=M590&x=12&y=13&query=Singles) so stop trying to pump him up as some sort of clay God. :lol:


And Acasuso has won ONE MATCH in his last 7 tournaments (http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/playerprofiles/playeractivity.asp?player=A389), and that was v the world #59, so likewise stop trying to pump him up as some soft of clay Genius. :roll:

http://blogs.townonline.com/cambridge/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lol1.jpg

hewitt would beat both of them on clay and then have to go for a 15 mile run because he didn't get a good enough of a workout.

tennisplaya
05-22-2009, 11:46 AM
You're welcome Dutch.

Hewitt would love to have Federer's drew, he'd at at least have a good chance to make the semis as well with that draw. Monfils isn't going to do much damage, he's played 1 match in the 2 months and is crippled. He'll probably pull out injured before the tournament.They should just substituted one of Davydenko, Wawrinka, or Verdasco in for the crippled Monfils to balance out the draw a bit.

bruce38
05-22-2009, 11:53 AM
Nadal has had to go through Djoker at RG. Fed finally has to which is a change of pace. Djoker isnt or wasnt going to beat Nadal at the French anyways unless Nadal is totally gassed

That's all in the past, who cares. This is now. Fed has to go through Djoker in the semis and Nadal faces murray. Who is tougher? That's the bottom line. Who cares what leads up to the semis, only the semis matter, precisely because there are 4 players who are head and shoulders above the rest (although on clay it's not as evident). Therefore Fed has the tougher draw. Period.

tennisplaya
05-22-2009, 11:57 AM
Here's the toughest opponent in Federer's 1/4:

Injury-hit Monfils doubtful for French Open (http://sports.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Injury-hit-Monfils-doubtful-for-French-Open/articleshow/4557235.cms)

http://www.tennistalk.com/images/article/1000.jpg

PARIS: Frenchman Gael Monfils admitted on Wednesday that he faces a last-minute decision over his fitness for the French Open, where he was a semi
-finalist in 2008.

The 22-year-old has been struggling with constant pain in his keft knee and said he wasn't "at all physically prepared to play".

"If the tournament started today, it would be no. I have a bad pain in my knee. It was only yesterday (Tuesday) that I was able to play for more than a hour, but in the evening I had a new, bad pain," said Monfils.

The world number 11 tested his fitness ahead of the French Open, which begins on Sunday, by taking part in an exhibition match against Cypriot Marcos Baghdatis at Rueil-Malmaison in the Paris suburbs.

"This morning (Wednesday), the knee was swollen again and against Marcos I couldn't push after half an hour. It's not great. But I will make a decision at the last moment."

batz
05-22-2009, 12:06 PM
Does anybody know which part of the draw starts sunday?

R1 is played over three days, so it's not an even split - if you see what I mean.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 12:07 PM
Here's the toughest opponent in Federer's 1/4:


Give me an answer to post below or Shut Up! Also look at my signature...It's meant for you... :)

Let me ask all of you who are saying Nadal has a tougher draw...

Would Nadal trade his draw with Federer?

If your answer is YES :-? Then please explain

If your answer is NO, then just stop this crap on conspiracy theories!

fednad
05-22-2009, 12:10 PM
Nadal has the toughest draw:
He is tired.
On top of that he has to work extra hard to align-realign-furtherRealign his water bottles.

aphex
05-22-2009, 12:10 PM
gj011, it happens once in a while (for you more often than most)
...sorry for what i did to you back there

http://www.icanhasforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/star-wars-darth-vader-pug-humiliation.jpg





(ps. sorry for hijacking the thread////over and out)

bolo
05-22-2009, 12:33 PM
gj011, it happens once in a while (for you more often than most)
...sorry for what i did to you back then




(ps. sorry for hijacking the thread////over and out)

this is bs. stop acting like a bully.

tennisplaya
05-22-2009, 12:40 PM
Give me an answer to post below or Shut Up! Also look at my signature...It's meant for you... :)

somebody is getting a little testy. You're just embarrassing yourself. Calm down.

http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/angry1.jpg

T1000
05-22-2009, 12:42 PM
murray
nadal
federer
djokovic

easiest to hardest

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 12:45 PM
Federer or Djokovic. They both have it easy until the quarters.
Good, that way we can have a great explosive clash in the semi with 2 fresh players! (I'm not so sure though that Delpo is such an easy opponent except when playing Fed)

aphex
05-22-2009, 12:47 PM
this is bs. stop acting like a bully.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/432850780_4c35fb9724.jpg?v=0

Cloudy
05-22-2009, 12:52 PM
Murray apart from the semi but unfortunately he is Murray which makes it a lot harder.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 12:52 PM
somebody is getting a little testy. You're just embarrassing yourself. Calm down.


Congratulations!...you can google images...you still haven't answered my question though... :rolleyes:

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 01:05 PM
-Nadal beat Ferrer in the last 3 meetings (all incidentally on clay)
-Nadal has a 9-0 h2h with Verdasco who has NEVER taken A SET off Nadal on clay
-Wawrinka has never taken a set off Nadal in all meetings
-Nadal beat Gonzalez the past 5 meetings without dropping a set
-The only challenges I see up to the semi's for Nadal are Davydenko and Murray. Nadal is 7-2 against Murray, with Murray winning the US Open match and the Rotterdam Match where Nadal was clearly injured by the end. Now Davydenko might pose somewhat of a challenge. He is 2-4 against Nadal and has actually taken 1 set off Nadal(in Rome 2007) in the 3 clay meetings they had.

Toughness of a draw is all relative, just like how putting Soderling or Tsonga on Fed's side of the draw on a fast court is "easy" while it is a tough draw for Nadal. So in this case, both Fed and Nadal have easy draws in general. Fed's stats against his opponents are really dominant as well so up until the QF's Nadal has the slightly tougher draw as of the 7 clay meetings, Ferrer did beat Nadal once, back in 2004. But once you get to the semi's, I don't think it's even questionable that Djokovic is much more of a challenge to Fed or Nadal on clay than Murray. So the draw evens out, and maybe Fed has a slightly harder draw just because of Djokovic.
The fact that Nadal has beaten those guys doesn't mean they're not tough to play: Ferrer, Verdasco, Wawrinka, Gonzalez are all great on clay. (I mean if they aren't, who is?) And why does Nadal always get all the Spaniards on his side??? (same thing last year and in Madrid). Don't even make me comment on Blake and Roddick (same joke of a draw Fed had in Madrid, except Roddick will be much more helpless on slower RG clay, honestly how will those guys even get to Fed?)
Monaco could be a tricky opponent for Djoko (as he would be for anyone else). Delpo is also dangerous (not vs Fed I know but pretty much vs anyone else). If Novak stays focused and sharp though, this is the first year he has a real chance of making the RG final. Good for us too because I was getting tired of seeing a Rafa-Novak semi every single year at RG. Thanks to the luck of the draw for that refreshing change!

ksbh
05-22-2009, 01:12 PM
Federer has a clear route to the semi-finals where he'll potentially play Nole. That's a big one. His path to the final will be difficult. Nadal seems to have a clear route all the way to the final! The signs all point to a 5th straight title for Rafa.

wangs78
05-22-2009, 01:13 PM
want problems you idiot?

or are you too brain stiif to get a joke?

Perhaps you being humorous, but you're certainly not good-natured. Sheesh. Loser.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 01:15 PM
Oh Come On!!! Big Deal!!!

Let me break it down for you...

1) In 2005 Djokovic lost to Guillermo Coria in the second round of RG (he retired after three sets). So it did not matter if he was in Fed's or Nadal's half anyways...

2) In 2006 Djokovic lost to Nadal in the QF in TWO sets (he retired after playing two sets!). So he would have retired against any other player. Thus it did not matter if he was in Nadal's of Fed's half again...

3) In 2007 Djokovic lost to Nadal in three straight sets...and Fed took Nadal to four sets (more than what Djokovic was able to achieve). So how can you say Djokovic would have defeated Fed in the semis had they met based on their performances against Nadal? :-?

4) 2008 is the only year where it might have made a difference as Djokovic performed better against Nadal than Fed...But then again who's to say Fed would not have been able to beat Djokovic? We all know how Fed crumbles mentally against Nadal (proof: AO 2009). I mean he did beat Djokovic in the semis of the USO the same year & also in Monte Carlo on clay didn't he? :shock: So that is just speculation!

So it did not matter who's half Djokovic was in because he would not have got to the finals anyways!
I totally disagree, given the way Fed was playing, Novak would have had a very good chance to make the final last year and by the way in 2005 Novak was just 18. You want to know what Fed was doing at RG at 18 years old? I didn't think so... since then Novak has been very unfortunate to land systematically on Nadal's side of the draw (note that he always got to Nadal though, never had an early exit). This year is his first chance to show the world just how well he plays on clay. I hope he'll be able to take it.

tennisplaya
05-22-2009, 01:15 PM
Congratulations!...you can google images...you still haven't answered my question though... :rolleyes:

What was the question again?

gj011
05-22-2009, 01:17 PM
I am actually concentrating on the big guys before the semis. I already said overall that nadal would not trade his draw for fed.

I am pretty sure Djokovic would trade his draw with Federer's

Pirao
05-22-2009, 01:18 PM
Nadal. Why? Because he's Nadal and this is clay.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 01:19 PM
Federer has a clear route to the semi-finals where he'll potentially play Nole. That's a big one. His path to the final will be difficult. Nadal seems to have a clear route all the way to the final! The signs all point to a 5th straight title for Rafa.
A clear route? What would be a tough route then?? Of course nothing that Nadal can't handle but still "clear" is a wild exaggeration given the names in his quarter.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 01:27 PM
Let me ask all of you who are saying Nadal has a tougher draw...

Would Nadal trade his draw with Federer?

If your answer is YES :-? Then please explain

If your answer is NO, then just stop this crap on conspiracy theories!
Until the semis, anybody would, honestly couldn't get any better than that! Of course noone would want Djoko in their side, that's for sure.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 01:44 PM
Why wouldnt Nadal trade his draw for Fed's? Are blake, Roddick, Berdych actually going to do any damage to nadal either? Nadal would be handing breaksticks left and right to these guys.


Nadal im sure is happy he doesnt have to deal with Djoker though. i will agree

And still how people underestimate Verdasco. At any time he could be a deadly weapon and give anyone problems. Even Nadal on clay. Who knows. Verdasco may give nadal just as many problems as Djoker would.
Murray can't be underestimated either. I know he didn't have a good showing in Rome but he played well in Monte-Carlo (which is the surface closest to RG).

deltox
05-22-2009, 01:51 PM
wow you guys are fighting over nadal and fed having easy draws. the way i see it murray has the easiest draw. i dont see anyone til the quarters that can make to big of noise.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 01:58 PM
wow you guys are fighting over nadal and fed having easy draws. the way i see it murray has the easiest draw. i dont see anyone til the quarters that can make to big of noise.
Murray has zero chance to take RG whereas Nadal,Fed and Nole have.

fps
05-22-2009, 01:59 PM
question: if nadal, federer and djokovic play to their abilities, is any player going to take them to 5 sets, let alone beat them, in their routes to the semi-finals?
answer: no.

who's got the easiest draw? irrelevent, they're all going to win all their matches easily until they play each other.

BullDogTennis
05-22-2009, 02:00 PM
the way i see it...when nadal gets to the final he'll be "too tired" Djokovich will quit halfway through the 3rd round cause he has a pimple on his back. so fed should have it easy! o wait, he has mono. roddick will win it all :o

bolo
05-22-2009, 02:08 PM
I am pretty sure Djokovic would trade his draw with Federer's

definitely. The monfils knee pain will make fed's 1/4 even easier. At that point there is very little for fed. to deal with until djokovic. I live Pavel, but is he fit enough to play or is he going to retire early again?

Mikey Fresh
05-22-2009, 02:10 PM
Is nole 3rd again?

Cloudy
05-22-2009, 02:11 PM
I don't think Murray does have 0 chance to take RG. If anything happened to Nadal I could see him making finals.

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 02:12 PM
Bump.......

Dutch-Guy
05-22-2009, 02:13 PM
I don't think Murray does have 0 chance to take RG. If anything happened to Nadal I could see him making finals.

He has first to make it past Gonzo.

bolo
05-22-2009, 02:18 PM
WTH woodrow also voted twice. A lot of corrupt voting in this poll. :)

vtmike
05-22-2009, 03:00 PM
What was the question again?

See below... VVV

Until the semis, anybody would, honestly couldn't get any better than that! Of course noone would want Djoko in their side, that's for sure.

God job dodging the real question! but that was not what I asked...I don't want an answer which goes something like "Umm I would trade with Fed for the 1st round, trade places with Murray for second round, with Djokovic for third round, then Nadal again for QF etc...."

Just a simple YES or NO...Would Nadal trade places with Federer? See post below if it is still not clear to you...

Let me ask all of you who are saying Nadal has a tougher draw...

Would Nadal trade his draw with Federer?

If your answer is YES :-? Then please explain

If your answer is NO, then just stop this crap on conspiracy theories!

gj011
05-22-2009, 03:07 PM
WTH woodrow also voted twice. A lot of corrupt voting in this poll. :)

The problem is that poll was created to allow multiple choices.

Docalex007
05-22-2009, 03:10 PM
I'm a Rafa supporter,not a Fed hater.

Unlike Roddick,Hewitt has made past 1/4 in RG twice if my memory serves me correctly.Further he won Houston (250) this year on clay.How far has Roddick ever made in Paris?

Huh? I'll check that later.

From the Roland Garros site:

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2009-05-22/200905221243000567343.html

"Federer given tough start
No2 seed Roger Federer faces some tough ties in the opening week with clay specialists Alberto Martin and Jose Acasuso lying in wait in the opening two rounds."

Both have made it to the 4th round of the FO in previous years... that says A LOT more than what Nadal's first two round opponents have done. Add this into the fact that Fed has Djokovic in the semis and Nadal's and Fed's draws even out more than you think.

vtmike
05-22-2009, 03:12 PM
Oh Come On!!! Big Deal!!!

Let me break it down for you...

1) In 2005 Djokovic lost to Guillermo Coria in the second round of RG (he retired after three sets). So it did not matter if he was in Fed's or Nadal's half anyways...

2) In 2006 Djokovic lost to Nadal in the QF in TWO sets (he retired after playing two sets!). So he would have retired against any other player. Thus it did not matter if he was in Nadal's of Fed's half again...

3) In 2007 Djokovic lost to Nadal in three straight sets...and Fed took Nadal to four sets (more than what Djokovic was able to achieve). So how can you say Djokovic would have defeated Fed in the semis had they met based on their performances against Nadal? :-?

4) 2008 is the only year where it might have made a difference as Djokovic performed better against Nadal than Fed...But then again who's to say Fed would not have been able to beat Djokovic? We all know how Fed crumbles mentally against Nadal (proof: AO 2009). I mean he did beat Djokovic in the semis of the USO the same year & also in Monte Carlo on clay didn't he? :shock: So that is just speculation!

So it did not matter who's half Djokovic was in because he would not have got to the finals anyways!

I totally disagree, given the way Fed was playing, Novak would have had a very good chance to make the final last year and by the way in 2005 Novak was just 18. You want to know what Fed was doing at RG at 18 years old? I didn't think so... since then Novak has been very unfortunate to land systematically on Nadal's side of the draw (note that he always got to Nadal though, never had an early exit). This year is his first chance to show the world just how well he plays on clay. I hope he'll be able to take it.

When did I say Fed was better than Djokovic at age 18? Instead of looking at the stats and reasons I provided, you went ahead and started comparing Fed & Djokovic at age 18.... :-?

I said 2008 could have been close...read my point 4 again,

4) 2008 is the only year where it might have made a difference as Djokovic performed better against Nadal than Fed...But then again who's to say Fed would not have been able to beat Djokovic? We all know how Fed crumbles mentally against Nadal (proof: AO 2009). I mean he did beat Djokovic in the semis of the USO the same year & also in Monte Carlo on clay didn't he? :shock: So that is just speculation!

After that you proceed to say Djokovic has systematically landed in Nadal's half as if that means something and would have made a difference! I have provided stats and reasons as to why it would not have made a difference, you OTOH are just assuming Djokovic would have eliminated Federer and shown the world how he can play on clay had he been in his half in RG before 2008...For once stay on topic, read my post again & answer honestly!

bolo
05-22-2009, 03:21 PM
The problem is that poll was created to allow multiple choices.

well woodrow might make sense if he thinks there is a tie. But serendipitous is just fooling around.

aphex
05-22-2009, 05:22 PM
The problem is that poll was created to allow multiple choices.

zip it chicken

Mada
05-22-2009, 06:09 PM
It depends on what you mean by easy.

Who has the best chance of making it to the finals based on this draw? Nadal.

Who has easier opponents waiting to be beaten on the path to the finals?
Federer.

There are a couple exceptions to both of those statements, but overall, the merit of both remain true.

lovecr717
05-22-2009, 06:21 PM
Fed and Murray. Nuff said.

sh@de
05-22-2009, 06:45 PM
Nadal will always have th easiest draw at RG when you evaluate it in terms of how good Nadal is against his opponents, because Nadal is too good at RG. Doesn't he have a 7-0 or sth head to head against Verdasco? I mean, that's like talking about Fed's... 18-2 one against Roddick? Something like that. Nadal's too good. :p. (It'a good thing for Nadal for all you *******s out there)

iamgoat
05-22-2009, 06:49 PM
This is what i have been saying from the beginning. Nadal and Djokovic have tough quarters. Murray has easier than the first two and Federer's is a joke.

And no I am not wrong. You are.

agreed 10char

vtmike
05-22-2009, 07:00 PM
From the Roland Garros site:

http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/articles/2009-05-22/200905221243000567343.html

"Federer given tough start
No2 seed Roger Federer faces some tough ties in the opening week with clay specialists Alberto Martin and Jose Acasuso lying in wait in the opening two rounds."

Both have made it to the 4th round of the FO in previous years... that says A LOT more than what Nadal's first two round opponents have done. Add this into the fact that Fed has Djokovic in the semis and Nadal's and Fed's draws even out more than you think.

Agree!....... +1

Ripster
05-22-2009, 07:21 PM
^ lol at Alberto Martin and Jose Acasuso being tough opponents.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 07:25 PM
When did I say Fed was better than Djokovic at age 18? Instead of looking at the stats and reasons I provided, you went ahead and started comparing Fed & Djokovic at age 18.... :-?

I said 2008 could have been close...read my point 4 again,

4) 2008 is the only year where it might have made a difference as Djokovic performed better against Nadal than Fed...But then again who's to say Fed would not have been able to beat Djokovic? We all know how Fed crumbles mentally against Nadal (proof: AO 2009). I mean he did beat Djokovic in the semis of the USO the same year & also in Monte Carlo on clay didn't he? :shock: So that is just speculation!

After that you proceed to say Djokovic has systematically landed in Nadal's half as if that means something and would have made a difference! I have provided stats and reasons as to why it would not have made a difference, you OTOH are just assuming Djokovic would have eliminated Federer and shown the world how he can play on clay had he been in his half in RG before 2008...For once stay on topic, read my post again & answer honestly!
Everything I said was honest and it's still my opinion that in 2008, Novak would have been the favorite against Fed.

veroniquem
05-22-2009, 07:26 PM
^ lol at Alberto Martin and Jose Acasuso being tough opponents.
Who?
10 chars

vtmike
05-22-2009, 07:27 PM
Everything I said was honest and it's still my opinion that in 2008, Novak would have been the favorite against Fed.

I was talking about pre 2008 also...

thalivest
05-22-2009, 07:53 PM
^ lol at Alberto Martin and Jose Acasuso being tough opponents.

Maybe for Andy Roddick on clay.

mandy01
05-23-2009, 12:49 AM
When did I say Fed was better than Djokovic at age 18? Instead of looking at the stats and reasons I provided, you went ahead and started comparing Fed & Djokovic at age 18.... :-?

I said 2008 could have been close...read my point 4 again,

4) 2008 is the only year where it might have made a difference as Djokovic performed better against Nadal than Fed...But then again who's to say Fed would not have been able to beat Djokovic? We all know how Fed crumbles mentally against Nadal (proof: AO 2009). I mean he did beat Djokovic in the semis of the USO the same year & also in Monte Carlo on clay didn't he? :shock: So that is just speculation!

After that you proceed to say Djokovic has systematically landed in Nadal's half as if that means something and would have made a difference! I have provided stats and reasons as to why it would not have made a difference, you OTOH are just assuming Djokovic would have eliminated Federer and shown the world how he can play on clay had he been in his half in RG before 2008...For once stay on topic, read my post again & answer honestly!

LOOOOL its a very good post and she completely missed the point :lol: :lol:

LanceStern
05-23-2009, 02:09 AM
I almost laughed at Federer's quarter. It almost loks rigged how easy it should be.

tennisplaya
05-23-2009, 03:04 AM
Oh Come On!!! Big Deal!!!

Let me break it down for you...

I'm not expecting much but try your best.


1) In 2005 Djokovic lost to Guillermo Coria in the second round of RG (he retired after three sets). So it did not matter if he was in Fed's or Nadal's half anyways...

I'm feeling generous so I'll give you that one.


2) In 2006 Djokovic lost to Nadal in the QF in TWO sets (he retired after playing two sets!). So he would have retired against any other player. Thus it did not matter if he was in Nadal's of Fed's half again...

Ridiculous speculation by you. Nole would not give up vs a skinny 0 time Roland Garros finalist. We don't know how he would go v Fed in the 1/4 here.



3) In 2007 Djokovic lost to Nadal in three straight sets...and Fed took Nadal to four sets (more than what Djokovic was able to achieve). So how can you say Djokovic would have defeated Fed in the semis had they met based on their performances against Nadal? :-?

More ridiculous speculation by you again. Yeh right, the 1 set differential v Nadal lets us extrapolate all the information we need!.More genius logic from you. Nole would be a very strong chance in the semi v Fed here.


4) 2008 is the only year where it might have made a difference as Djokovic performed better against Nadal than Fed...But then again who's to say Fed would not have been able to beat Djokovic? We all know how Fed crumbles mentally against Nadal (proof: AO 2009). I mean he did beat Djokovic in the semis of the USO the same year & also in Monte Carlo on clay didn't he? :shock: So that is just speculation!

Nole was far batter competition for Nadal by a country mile. Exceedingly high probability that he would beat Fed easily in the semi.


So it did not matter who's half Djokovic was in because he would not have got to the finals anyways!

You get a fail in logic and you proved absolutely nothing. :roll:

Your extrapolations and assumptions are so ridiculous that it's funny.

http://blogs.townonline.com/cambridge/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lol1.jpg

bolo
05-23-2009, 03:09 AM
I'm not expecting much but try your best.


I'm feeling generous so I'll give you that one.


Ridiculous speculation by you. Nole would not give up vs a skinny 0 time Roland Garros finalist. We don't know how he would go v Fed in the 1/4 here.



More ridiculous speculation by you again. Yeh right, the 1 set differential v Nadal lets us extrapolate all the information we need!.More genius logic from you. Nole would be a very strong chance in the semi v Fed here.


Nole was far batter competition for Nadal by a country mile. Exceedingly high probability that he would beat Fed easily in the semi.



You get a fail in logic and you proved absolutely nothing. :roll:

Your extrapolations and assumptions are so ridiculous that it's funny.

http://blogs.townonline.com/cambridge/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lol1.jpg

lol. That cat picture is pretty good.

Cesc Fabregas
05-23-2009, 03:13 AM
Verdasco is pretty unfortunate if he was drawn on Murray's quater he would have had a great shot at making the semis.

tennisplaya
05-23-2009, 03:17 AM
lol. That cat picture is pretty good.

I like it too. Its very fitting for his posts too. I have a feeling we we'll be seeing a lot more of the cat..lol:)

bolo
05-23-2009, 03:19 AM
Verdasco is pretty unfortunate if he was drawn on Murray's quater he would have had a great shot at making the semis.

Yeah he would have taken out murray on clay. Much better chance than gonzo imo. That would have been fun to watch.

maximo
05-23-2009, 03:21 AM
Yeah he would have taken out murray on clay. Much better chance than gonzo imo. That would have been fun to watch.

Taken out Murray?

Think again.

bolo
05-23-2009, 03:21 AM
I like it too. Its very fitting for his posts too. I have a feeling we we'll be seeing a lot more of the cat..lol:)

Vtmike has a nadal problem and a djokovic problem, so holding onto the cat is a good idea..................for the next 2-3 years.

tennisplaya
05-23-2009, 03:22 AM
Verdasco is pretty unfortunate if he was drawn on Murray's quater he would have had a great shot at making the semis.

Definitely. This will be Verdascos 3rd tournament in a row in Nadal's 1/4 final draw after Rome and Madrid.