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Nadal_Freak
05-24-2009, 11:17 AM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

vtmike
05-24-2009, 11:18 AM
Oh Boy... :rolleyes:

thejoe
05-24-2009, 11:18 AM
Dear Lord...

maximo
05-24-2009, 11:19 AM
Lol, i love these boards...

tennis-hero
05-24-2009, 11:19 AM
HEHEHE

NAdal Freak

How we love to hate thee
but how sad it would be
If you weren't here to see
Fed destroying Nadal completly

Vamos for the red grass excuse this early

FD3S
05-24-2009, 11:20 AM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

This'll happen right after they speed up Wimbledon back up :)

I will admit though, the ace count is unusual. How's the ground game? Is the serve/forehand combo that clay is supposed to negate working?

vtmike
05-24-2009, 11:21 AM
HEHEHE

NAdal Freak

How we love to hate thee
but how sad it would be
If you weren't here to see
Fed destroying Nadal completly

Vamos for the red grass excuse this early

Hey that rhymes... :D Take any poetry classes recently?

drakulie
05-24-2009, 11:22 AM
from another thread. <<<<check mate>>>

when rafa loses at FO this year, nadal_freak/veroniquem will use this thread as the excuse. ie: they sped up the courts.

Jchurch
05-24-2009, 11:23 AM
Lets Speed It Up!

TonyB
05-24-2009, 11:23 AM
Thread fail.

Gugafan
05-24-2009, 11:23 AM
Nadal Freak and you dont think the unchracteristic high temperature and humidity during the start of the tournament have nothing to do with this??.

sureshs
05-24-2009, 11:25 AM
Rafa will still win it, just like he won Wimbledon.

JeMar
05-24-2009, 11:26 AM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

OH GOD THE IRONY

It burns!!!

R_Federer
05-24-2009, 11:26 AM
Oh man...Im liking my prediction of Federer winning this French Open by the passing day after seeing these excuse threads from Nadal fans.

vtmike
05-24-2009, 11:27 AM
from another thread. <<<<check mate>>>

I guess you can read them like a book now!...:lol:

btw I saw this coming too...they have a very similar pattern...

T1000
05-24-2009, 11:30 AM
Day 1 and the excuses are already coming

All-rounder
05-24-2009, 11:30 AM
......Irony (sigh) :)

tennis-hero
05-24-2009, 11:33 AM
IF NAdal doesn't make the second week then you can say the courts played faster then expected

however, in 1996 they played faster then expected so it isn't that suprising... if nadal has more then one dimension then he should be able to adjust to the conditions (thats IF they are playing faster then usual)

R_Federer
05-24-2009, 11:37 AM
IF NAdal doesn't make the second week then you can say the courts played faster then expected

however, in 1996 they played faster then expected so it isn't that suprising... if nadal has more then one dimension then he should be able to adjust to the conditions (thats IF they are playing faster then usual)

The number one player in the world, "GOAT", and the King can apparently only play in one dimension....sad I know.

tennisplaya
05-24-2009, 11:40 AM
They'll probably water the courts more just before Federer has to play Blake so that Federer won't lose like he did at the Olympics...haha.

All-rounder
05-24-2009, 11:43 AM
They'll probably water the courts more just before Federer has to play Blake so that Federer won't lose like he did at the Olympics...haha.
How do you know blake will get that far?

gj011
05-24-2009, 11:49 AM
LOL Great thread. NF is just making fun of this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=259139

It is funny to see Fed fans being hypocritical on two similar threads.

Nadal_Freak
05-24-2009, 11:52 AM
LOL Great thread. NF is just making fun of this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=259139

It is funny to see Fed fans being hypocritical on two similar threads.
Yep. LOL at the Fed fans who didn't notice that.

JoshDragon
05-24-2009, 11:56 AM
Red grass and green clay. LOL

T1000
05-24-2009, 11:58 AM
Yep. LOL at the Fed fans who didn't notice that.

Yep. LOL at the troll who can't handle his idol losing.

veroniquem
05-24-2009, 11:59 AM
Yep. LOL at the troll who can't handle his idol losing.
Can you handle your idol losing? You certainly got a lot of practise recently!

T1000
05-24-2009, 12:02 PM
Can you handle your idol losing? You certainly got a lot of practise recently!

hahahahaha my fav is hewiit. good job though. want me to list my top 10? none of the top 5 are in it

VivalaVida
05-24-2009, 12:03 PM
Can you handle your idol losing? You certainly got a lot of practise recently!
T1000's idol is not federer. Seriously, do some research before making incorrect assumptions about people. He has stated that fed is not his fav several times. WHOA 1000 posts!

BullDogTennis
05-24-2009, 12:04 PM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

only if they speed up wimbledon again!

tennisplaya
05-24-2009, 12:05 PM
How do you know blake will get that far?


hypothetically. But Blake is unpredictable even on his favorite surface so I wouldn't count on him even on the fast clay.:)

veroniquem
05-24-2009, 12:06 PM
hahahahaha my fav is hewiit. good job though. want me to list my top 10? none of the top 5 are in it
Hewitt? That's what I was saying, you got a lot of practise...

T1000
05-24-2009, 12:06 PM
yea, he's only one of three active players to have 500 wins. i def get a lot of practice :roll:

veroniquem
05-24-2009, 12:07 PM
T1000's idol is not federer. Seriously, do some research before making incorrect assumptions about people. He has stated that fed is not his fav several times. WHOA 1000 posts!
Where did I mention Fed in my post?

VivalaVida
05-24-2009, 12:09 PM
Where did I mention Fed in my post?
rofl. Nice cover up. jk. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and apologize for that. :)

dincuss
05-24-2009, 12:09 PM
I actually like the current speed of it.

(it hasn't changed, at least the fed fans have some logic behind their ideas.)

All-rounder
05-24-2009, 12:11 PM
hypothetically. But Blake is unpredictable even on his favorite surface so I wouldn't count on him even on the fast clay.:)
Please you can't even count on one American when it comes to clay but his run at estoril may be the beginning of something new

veroniquem
05-24-2009, 12:11 PM
yea, he's only one of three active players to have 500 wins. i def get a lot of practice :roll:
He had his good years but they are a long way behind, too bad I guess.

veroniquem
05-24-2009, 12:12 PM
rofl. Nice cover up. jk. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and apologize for that. :)
Well you don't need to go that far :)

veroniquem
05-24-2009, 12:13 PM
I actually like the current speed of it.

(it hasn't changed, at least the fed fans have some logic behind their ideas.)
They do? :shock:
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obnoxious2
05-24-2009, 12:16 PM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

It has always been on top of a cement court. Lay off the pipe and the hash brownies.

jamesblakefan#1
05-24-2009, 12:17 PM
I like how people on here are so trigger happy about everything. Of course it's going to look faster when you have Querrey playing Gulbis (two big hitters), Karlovic vs. anyone b/c of his serve. It's not playing like red grass, so stop saying stupid stuff like that just to start fights and flame wars. During the Simon/Odesnik match, it played just like it has any other year. Stop putting so much important on the courts, in the end, the best player will win.

drakulie
05-24-2009, 12:18 PM
here is another gem from one of the two biggest Nadal haters on the board:

First this was not a match, it was an "exhibition" set. (It's for a charity, different players all come to play 1 set on the main courts.) Second it was raining during Nadal's set (it rained for about an hour yesterday and unfortunately it happened during that set). The court was slippery and Nadal didn't want to take any chance.

Cenc
05-24-2009, 12:18 PM
this is sad to read
nadalfreak mate are you serious?
i believe next topic ur gonna start is petition to play whole season on slow clay because tennis should be more rallies and less shots nadal isnt capable of playing well

_maxi
05-24-2009, 12:21 PM
I noticed that this thread was a joke related to the wimby one, in fact I expected to see a link to the petition.

You still don't know if they sped up the courts or what.. anyway, I'm not against it, because it would be fair. If they don't sped up wimbledon as it used to be then speeding up RG would be fair. Don't you think?

malakas
05-24-2009, 12:22 PM
lol lol what a wonderful thread.

veroniquem
05-24-2009, 12:27 PM
here is another gem from one of the two biggest Nadal haters on the board:
And what's your hypothesis genius? That Nadal really really wanted to win that exhibition set but got outplayed by that guy? Good one Drak, let's put this to the test if they play a match in competition one day, it should be fascinating...

drakulie
05-24-2009, 12:42 PM
And what's your hypothesis genius?


That you and Nadal_Freak are the two biggest Nadal haters on this board.

I can't even descirbe how stupid that post of yours is>>>> to suggest that it only rained and was slippery where Nadal was standing.

P_Agony
05-24-2009, 12:49 PM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

Hmm...I guess nobody?

dincuss
05-24-2009, 01:02 PM
I actually like the current speed of it.

(it hasn't changed, at least the fed fans have some logic behind their ideas.)
They do? :shock:
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They say that the grass was had some change in mixture.
You guys just make random assumptions.

All-rounder
05-24-2009, 01:08 PM
They say that the grass was had some change in mixture.
You guys just make random assumptions.
Yes this is true In 2001, Wimbledon tore out all its courts and planted a new variety of groundcover. The new grass was 100% perennial rye; the old courts had been a mix of 70% rye and 30% creeping red fescue.

fedtastic
05-24-2009, 01:11 PM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

I would support this petition if you have un deniable proof that Roland Garros courts have been sped up. Its an undeniable fact accepted by AELTA and other soources that wimbledon grass was changed in 2001. If you can prove the same I would support your petition. I want the grand slam to keep their traditions. Roland Garros should reward endurance, patience and ground stroke skills while wimbledon should reward S&V, quicker gameplay and aggressiveness.

If this thread is meant as a joke which it probably is since you have shown there is no petition, it is quite funny. You should reward yourself by picking Rafa's butt.

Cyan
05-24-2009, 01:55 PM
It's only the outside courts.. They usually play faster. I saw the Ivanovic match and the Simon match both played on PC and the speed seems the same as usual.

Rabbit
05-24-2009, 01:57 PM
LOL Great thread. NF is just making fun of this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=259139

It is funny to see Fed fans being hypocritical on two similar threads.

Golly....another venture into the mystic that is irony. Man, did he have everyone going or what? Nads_Wreak, you've got to stop.....you're just fooling everyone...

gj011
05-24-2009, 02:00 PM
Yes this is true In 2001, Wimbledon tore out all its courts and planted a new variety of groundcover. The new grass was 100% perennial rye; the old courts had been a mix of 70% rye and 30% creeping red fescue.

So you are saying Federer won all his Wimbledon titles on green clay? ;)

Cyan
05-24-2009, 02:02 PM
Federer never won a Wimbledon when it was true grass like grasscourt GOAT Sampras did SEVEN times. On true fast low bouncing grass.

All-rounder
05-24-2009, 02:03 PM
So you are saying Federer won all his Wimbledon titles on green clay? ;)
Where in my post did i say that I just stated that there was a change in what the grass was made out of thats it

Cyan
05-24-2009, 02:10 PM
After 2001 so he never won a Wimbledon on true grass.

IvanAndreevich
05-24-2009, 02:13 PM
After 2001 so he never won a Wimbledon on true grass.
Yeah, he only managed to beat Sampras. He wasn't at his GOAT level back then :lol:

All-rounder
05-24-2009, 02:13 PM
After 2001 so he never won a Wimbledon on true grass.
Honestly I will say no he didn't win on true 90's grass but back in 2003 grass wasn't as fast but it didn't bounce high like todays grass does

gj011
05-24-2009, 02:16 PM
Honestly I will say no he didn't win on true 90's grass but back in 2003 grass wasn't as fast but it didn't bounce high like todays grass does

Grass has not been changed since 2001. So it is same now as in 2003.

dincuss
05-24-2009, 02:18 PM
After 2001 so he never won a Wimbledon on true grass.

Ok, but that means Nadal didnt either.
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Typical ******* answer:
Yeah, but Nadals counted since hes the best.

Cyan
05-24-2009, 02:24 PM
Ok, but that means Nadal didnt either.
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Typical ******* answer:
Yeah, but Nadals counted since hes the best.

But the *******s want us to beleive he won on true grass.

thejoe
05-24-2009, 02:28 PM
^No they don't. He beat Sampras serve-volleying when the grass was still quick-ish, which is enough to prove he had it in him. Nadal doesn't. Plus, various graphics have showed that the grass was quicker in 03 than it is now.

gj011
05-24-2009, 02:29 PM
But the *******s want us to beleive he won on true grass.

Exactly. Fed fans always come up with theories how Nadal won Wimbledon on "slow grass" or "green clay", claiming Nadal would never win it on "real grass", while forgetting that Fed won it only on "slow grass" too.

dincuss
05-24-2009, 02:29 PM
But the *******s want us to beleive he won on true grass.

So?
Let them think what they want.
BE the better person.
Stop talking and arguing about gibberish that doesnt matter.

gj011
05-24-2009, 02:31 PM
^No they don't. He beat Sampras serve-volleying when the grass was still quick-ish, which is enough to prove he had it in him. Nadal doesn't. Plus, various graphics have showed that the grass was quicker in 03 than it is now.

How and why is grass slower now than in 2003? Not true.

Also Fed's win over past the peak Sampras is irrelevant. He didn't win it that year.

thejoe
05-24-2009, 02:33 PM
How and why is grass slower now than in 2003? Not true.

Also Fed's win over past the peak Sampras is irrelevant. He didn't win it that year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soJ_FVnijAw

ninman
05-24-2009, 02:37 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/30/fail_thread.jpg

Cyan
05-24-2009, 02:38 PM
Exactly. Fed fans always come up with theories how Nadal won Wimbledon on "slow grass" or "green clay", claiming Nadal would never win it on "real grass", while forgetting that Fed won it only on "slow grass" too.

Exactly...........

Cesc Fabregas
05-24-2009, 02:39 PM
^No they don't. He beat Sampras serve-volleying when the grass was still quick-ish, which is enough to prove he had it in him. Nadal doesn't. Plus, various graphics have showed that the grass was quicker in 03 than it is now.

Way past his prime Sampras though Pete got taken to 5 sets by Barry Cowan that year at Wimbledon and didn't win a single title that year.

ninman
05-24-2009, 02:43 PM
Way past his prime Sampras though Pete got taken to 5 sets by Barry Cowan that year at Wimbledon and didn't win a single title that year.

However he was the 4 time defending champion, made the final of the US Open that year and won it the following year. Federer wouldn't be at his prime for another 3 years or so.

vtmike
05-24-2009, 02:43 PM
http://www.freemyspacegraphics.com/Graphics/Funny_Animations/images/9.gif

All-rounder
05-24-2009, 02:54 PM
How and why is grass slower now than in 2003? Not true.

Also Fed's win over past the peak Sampras is irrelevant. He didn't win it that year.
He beat the defending 4 time defending champion if that doesn't say sometime then i don't know what will

Gorecki
05-24-2009, 03:00 PM
hahahahaha my fav is hewiit. good job though. want me to list my top 10? none of the top 5 are in it

T1000:
dont you love how basic reasoning Nadaletes have...

you dont like Nadal, therefore you are a fed fan!

P_Agony
05-24-2009, 03:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soJ_FVnijAw

You just owned Cyan and gj011.

DarthMaul
05-24-2009, 03:20 PM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

Defensive play? How fare is to WIN a slam all by defense? Doesn't that make Nadal the greatest coward to win slams?

DarthMaul
05-24-2009, 03:33 PM
Federer never won a Wimbledon when it was true grass like grasscourt GOAT Sampras did SEVEN times. On true fast low bouncing grass.

FYI, Fed owned GOAT Sampras. On true fast low bouncing grass.

gj011
05-24-2009, 03:44 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soJ_FVnijAw

That youtube video does not prove anything. It can be some fake animation. Even if it isn't, Fed's serve is not always the same, maybe one was with more spin, serves didn't land on the same spot, it does not say from which matches those supposed servers were. One could be from first round and another from the final, ... Too many variables.

For all we know the grass didn't change since 2001. Period.

Mansewerz
05-24-2009, 03:51 PM
What? They didn't slow the grass over one year's time. It has progressively gotten slower.

All-rounder
05-24-2009, 03:53 PM
What? They didn't slow the grass over one year's time. It has progressively gotten slower.
Thats what I have been trying to tell gj011 but he seems to believe that it has been the same since 2001

pound cat
05-24-2009, 04:15 PM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?


LOL they're listening to you in Paris.

T1000
05-24-2009, 04:19 PM
T1000:
dont you love how basic reasoning Nadaletes have...

you dont like Nadal, therefore you are a fed fan!

I know. If I say something about Nadal I'm a *******. If I say something bad about Federer, they don't care who I like. Same with some Sampras fans.

oliver
05-24-2009, 04:25 PM
Hey, relax y'all. This thread was nothing short of inevitable.

bolo
05-24-2009, 05:04 PM
That youtube video does not prove anything. It can be some fake animation. Even if it isn't, Fed's serve is not always the same, maybe one was with more spin, serves didn't land on the same spot, it does not say from which matches those supposed servers were. One could be from first round and another from the final, ... Too many variables.

For all we know the grass didn't change since 2001. Period.

yep everyone is too hasty to draw conclusions based on 2 serves.

bolo
05-24-2009, 05:05 PM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

well the last thing the french want to do is have RG turn into wimbledon. So I expect they will water down the clay. Good thread. :)

DNShade
05-24-2009, 05:11 PM
I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

Wow. Pretty spectacular. You do know how the courts at RG are made don't you? You'd think a Rafa fan would know this...Maybe you should look it up before you post something idiotic like the above. No hard court involved...

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3674/clay.jpg

The above photo shows a cross section of the clay court. Below the clay surface is a 5 cm thick layer of limestone, followed by a layer of iron ore s l a g (the remnants of iron extraction). Small stones and gravel below this allow the surface to remain stable and drain excess water. Underneath is natural ground treated so as to remain flat. The court construction was designed by Charles Bouhana, who was originally hired to maintain the lawn at Roland Garros.

Covering the clay surface is a thin (2 mm) layer of red brick dust. It is placed there for aesthetic reasons and for the players' comfort: it enables them to see the ball more easily and to slide on the ground when running for the ball. The natural color of the brick is gray, but it is colored red to create more contrast with the yellow ball. Making enough dust for the courts at Roland Garros is no mean feat: 800kg (1760lbs) of dust are used for each court every year!

http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/zola/206/clay.html

NamRanger
05-24-2009, 05:11 PM
That youtube video does not prove anything. It can be some fake animation. Even if it isn't, Fed's serve is not always the same, maybe one was with more spin, serves didn't land on the same spot, it does not say from which matches those supposed servers were. One could be from first round and another from the final, ... Too many variables.

For all we know the grass didn't change since 2001. Period.



Except regardless of spin, there should not be such a drastic amount of change in speed when it hits the surface. Basic physics. But hey; look who I'm talking to!

bolo
05-24-2009, 05:21 PM
Except regardless of spin, there should not be such a drastic amount of change in speed when it hits the surface. Basic physics. But hey; look who I'm talking to!

It's possible there wasn't that much of a change in speed, especially with margins of errors on the estimates from the speed gun. Even if there is an error of +3, -3, then it's possible you are only looking at a 4mph difference. There is a reason people rarely ever draw conclusions from just one event, that's why we want a lot more readings.

ninman
05-24-2009, 05:25 PM
It's possible there wasn't that much of a change in speed, especially with margins of errors on the estimates from the speed gun. Even if there is an error of +3, -3, then it's possible you are only looking at a 4mph difference. There is a reason people rarely ever draw conclusions from just one event, that's why we want a lot more readings.

Totally agree. I think that graphic is more an example of how his SERVE changed rather than the surface. But even then it's impossible to draw any conclusions from it, in other words it's a totally useless and redundant graphic, that is almost completely meaningless.

ninman
05-24-2009, 05:56 PM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?

http://www.pigazette.com/Pigraphics/cunningplan.jpg

Breaker
05-24-2009, 06:03 PM
There is nothing natural about a clay court I very much doubt there is anywhere in the world where clay is growing and not man-made. The only solution I can see for the OP is to put it on top of grass, perhaps the same stuff they've been using at Wimbledon that may work.

Nadal_Freak
05-24-2009, 09:49 PM
Btw some of you underrate my intelligence. I was actually mocking the Petition to Speed Up Wimbledon Thread. The courts have not changed. The show courts have always played really fast and Chatrier and Lenglen always play slow.

danb
05-24-2009, 10:01 PM
What do you think, is Rafa feeling the pressure this time? So far he was "just" the #2 defending his territory, this time he is the #1 defending a "must".

DNShade
05-24-2009, 10:44 PM
Btw some of you underrate my intelligence. I was actually mocking the Petition to Speed Up Wimbledon Thread. The courts have not changed. The show courts have always played really fast and Chatrier and Lenglen always play slow.

Well...not to underrate your intelligence...

But the term "show courts" refers to the big courts at an event - in this case, Chatrier, Lenglen and No. 1 are the show courts. The outside courts are the others...

sh@de
05-24-2009, 11:08 PM
Fail poster + fail idea = FAIL THREAD.

BreakPoint
05-24-2009, 11:42 PM
It is playing like Red Grass. Hewitt and Karlovic match had 75 aces in it. Clay courts are supposed to reward defensive play. Right now I'm seeing attacking tennis work. I think they need to water the courts more and not lay it on top of a hard court. Instead a natural surface. Who is with me?
So basically you're admitting that Nadal is nothing but a pusher that can only win on slow courts? Because anyone that has ever played a pusher (and we all have) knows that pushers thrive on slower courts.

Nadal_Freak
05-25-2009, 12:00 AM
So basically you're admitting that Nadal is nothing but a pusher that can only win on slow courts? Because anyone that has ever played a pusher (and we all have) knows that pushers thrive on slower courts.
I made a generalization. I wasn't talking about Nadal specifically. He should be fine even if the clay got a little faster. Overall, I prefer to see players have to work for their points more. To some, that is considered defensive tennis.

carlos djackal
05-25-2009, 12:03 AM
http://www.pigazette.com/Pigraphics/cunningplan.jpg



LOL......................