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Scheiner
03-18-2005, 09:44 PM
This is a tribute to the nice guys. The nice guys that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and *****ing about what *******s guys are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those guys who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those guys who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the guys that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their female friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most girls need that litany of support. This is in honor of the guys with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the guys who respect a girl’s every facet, from her privacy to her theology to her clothing style.

This is for the guys who escort their drunk, bewildered female friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at her door, for the guys who accompany girls to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy male population, for the guys who know a girl is fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the guys who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the guys who are accredited as boyfriend material but somehow don’t end up being boyfriends, for all the nice guys who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice guys who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time she left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called her back, she spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences her boyfriend said to her over dinner. And even though you thought her boyfriend was a chump and a jerk, you assured her that it was all ok and she shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time she interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked her and the guy she thinks is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against the guy, you paused the game for two hours and helped her concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time she didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, she dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and she flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for her ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice guys don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice guys don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many girls are just illogical, manipulative *****es. Many of them claim they just want to date a nice guy, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, he’s too nice to date” or “he would be a good boyfriend but he’s not for me” or “he already puts up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask him out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable men in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date male friends to sympathize and apologize for the men that are jerks. Sorry, guys, girls like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want a nice guy!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete *** now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-guy-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many girls who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice guys, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those girls, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until those girls are found, I propose a toast to all the nice guys. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgement, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.




I posted this on MySpace and so I decided to toast to the members here.

bc-05
03-19-2005, 05:56 AM
again.. i get sichazz when i read long writing.. so please translate...

NoBadMojo
03-19-2005, 08:16 AM
this sounds like a budweiser commercial for a wingman ;O but i am sure the nice guys thank you for the tribute..but sounds like you are describing the g*y guys....<joking> I've given up trying to figure out women..i am but the lowly observor. Ed

Exile
03-19-2005, 08:19 AM
What you have to understand is, when it comes to guys, women are never happy.
A lot of times they put that burden on themselves.
They won't go for a nice guy because fear they may corrupt him and turn him into an a-hole.
They go out with the a-holes because they tend to have the good looks they might want and the subtle charm to get a one night stand, while the girl is looking for more.
And sometimes they look for too much and arent realistic.
They may look happy but they want the PERFECT guy, not just a good one.

I'm only responding because I was the nice guy for a long time, and I still am.
But its so hard to get a good relationship with only emotion and nothing else to bring to the table(not that you have nothing), girls just want more stability than something ever-changing like emotion.

You are like a boyfriend w/o any perks.
I feel sorry for you.
Whoever this girl is, you should just call HER for once, and show her a good time.
(tell her you have nothing to do and you just felt like talking/seeing her or something, they love that.)
If you just slow play the time you spend with her, in addition to going to the right places(no getting drunk off the arse, drinks are ok, but don't plan on getting drunk.), saying the right things(like you already do), and give her what she is looking for based on what youve learned in the past from her, she just might go in your direction.

Or you could just sit back and wonder what might have been, your choice.

Kirko
03-19-2005, 04:18 PM
Nnobad is dead on "real men of genius". from Bud.

Scheiner
03-19-2005, 04:32 PM
again.. i get sichazz when i read long writing.. so please translate...

The nice guys always finish last, and people mention that, but do nothing about it. People say 'thanks' or 'Your so kind' when a guy or girl does something nice for them, but do they mean it? Basically in lament terms, about 95% of the population of 'nice guys' are single because they may not be the most attractive, but they certainly show courteous and kind actions to anyone.

I am just saying that people take in the phrase 'Nice guys finish last' as a real concept, when it shouldn't be. I hate it when I see a guy treat a girl like ****, and I want to punch them right across the face but I won't because, 1) I have a pure guilty conscience (sp?) and 2) its none of my business.


- Scheiner

Exile
03-19-2005, 08:47 PM
That's where I draw the line, if I see bad treatment of a lady I say something. If the guy has a problem with it I try to rationize and reason, if that doesn't work(which doesn't most of the time) I tend to get into 'disputes' if you know what I mean.
They think if they try to punch harder that I'll back down faster, but I never met a man I couldn't counter.

ragnaROK
03-19-2005, 09:10 PM
be nice for the sake of being nice not so you can get laid more often. those "nice guys" end up disappointed in the end because they expected something in return.

Exile
03-19-2005, 09:22 PM
Its just not fair, I agree.

Nice guys aren't aggressive, they don't even try to push the subject, that's why they don't get laid.
Not that they NEED to get laid, there are guys that really don't want to have sex(somewhere in some girl's dreams)

equinox
03-20-2005, 07:14 AM
Read the Ladder Theory (http://tinyurl.com/7l1m) it should help explain the some of the mysterys of women.

Scheiner
03-20-2005, 09:03 AM
Read the Ladder Theory (http://tinyurl.com/7l1m) it should help explain the some of the mysterys of women.


This is the greatest thing I have ever read. Credit to you for knowing this site.

Brian Purdie
03-20-2005, 06:33 PM
establish yourself. Get a fantastic job and some money. It takes years of education, and it doesn't pay off until your late 20's, early 30's, but it's worth it. then you can date women in their early 20's, and you can shove off all the ones who turned you down

matchpoints
03-20-2005, 10:39 PM
Cliff notes?

Prince_of_Tennis
03-21-2005, 12:43 AM
Toast!!! To all the nice guys...

Geezer Guy
03-21-2005, 08:08 AM
Thanks! I'm honered.

atatu
03-21-2005, 08:53 AM
Once you hit 30, if you're still a nice guy, the women starting coming around, I guess they get sick of the not so nice guys by that age....

thehustler
03-21-2005, 12:00 PM
Nice guys can finish first. My girlfriend dated all the wrong guys. Guys at clubs mainly. She's divorced right now and thought she was with a nice guy but he was a lazy bum. She prayed for a very specific kind of guy, had a very detailed list of what she wanted in a guy and she got me. Somehow I happen to match her list exactly. She's weirded out by all the nice guy stuff I do, but is getting used to it. Hope all the other nice guys out there can have the same luck I have and get the girl that appreciates them.

Frodo Baggins
03-21-2005, 01:16 PM
Wish I could Share your sympathy.. But I can't What you say is not always true.. I myself was with a nice =rare guy.. That had every charastic- that I was looking for. but for some reason?? This guy Dumped me..

bc-05
03-22-2005, 01:39 AM
Ivy.. was that guy me? :P nah joke ;)... as if u would care about them seriously.. like dude its girls... what do u expect from them? like... ok... im not gonna say it.. coz someone by the name of suzan will get onto my back and u know the rest... so.. im not gonna say it ;) but thanks anyway

Frodo Baggins
03-22-2005, 11:27 AM
srry BC.. I wouldn't even Consider Going out with ya.. Why you ask? Cause This small Hobbit has more class;) hee hee

Frodo Baggins
03-22-2005, 11:28 AM
You get the point?? Don't ya- BC ;)

Rickson
03-22-2005, 11:41 AM
I thought the author's post was gonna end with a punchline that berates nice guys. It would have been funnier because guys who are too nice, are suckers.

Rickson
03-22-2005, 11:46 AM
That's where I draw the line, if I see bad treatment of a lady I say something. If the guy has a problem with it I try to rationize and reason, if that doesn't work(which doesn't most of the time) I tend to get into 'disputes' if you know what I mean.
They think if they try to punch harder that I'll back down faster, but I never met a man I couldn't counter.
What if the girl started the fight? You might be swinging on a guy who's just defending himself. I once saw some clown get punched by a girl's boyfriend for jumping into their dispute. Not only that, the girl took her boyfriend's side and told the guy to leave her alone. She actually rooted for her boyfriend to beat the so called "good samaritan" up, so do yourself a favor and don't jump into a fight between a couple. It's just not worth it.

Phil
03-22-2005, 05:45 PM
Nice guys don't finish last. DUMB guys, and/or guys who lack ambition do. Oh, and Leo Durocher's Cubs, too. Same difference.

Exile
03-22-2005, 08:37 PM
i have more sense than to jump into a fight i know nothing about. If i dont know the WHOLE story ill just brush it off, but if ive seen the guy advance and advance but the girl will have none of it yet the guy keeps going, ending up in a little male/female conflict then i'll jump in.

Its sad that people have such low standards of intelligence.
Just because I didn't say I would use some sort of common sense to get the whole story, doesnt mean that I would just jump in like a blind fool at every ego-driven attempt to defend a woman. Half the time the b**** doesn't deserve to be defended.
I'll open a door for a woman and she'll just snub me off like she is some sort of goddess and I'm SUPPOSED to do that for her. No "thank you" or anything.

Women are becoming more spoiled as each generation grows because of all the media surrounding the glamorous women who may or may not happen to be nice.

bc-05
03-22-2005, 09:03 PM
You get the point?? Don't ya- BC ;)

yeh i get it.. its ok.. maybe im too nice for u?? :P... ok maybe sam is more of a bad guy... but lemme tell u something.. i can be bad sometimes :P hahahah.. joke ivy

ShooterMcMarco
03-23-2005, 02:03 AM
if you don't act as a doormat to women, it makes them feel more attracted to you. women like a little bit of mystery in guys (thats why some chicks are into the "bad boys"). if you kind of ignore them, or act "mean" to them, they feel like they have to do something to get your attention. once you enter that friend zone, theres no turning back unless you want to be considered one of her guy friends instead of a boyfriend.

Frodo Baggins
03-23-2005, 01:03 PM
Shooter you mean JERKS. Yeah Girl's are Drawn to Jerks.. An BC From your pic that I seen in pics uh lets just say I'm now drawn to jerks.. I'm more of a classy hobbit... an Sam's my niece you JERK :O oops srry ..lol

Superior_Forehand
03-24-2005, 07:59 PM
That ladder theory site is darn funny!

ShooterMcMarco
03-24-2005, 10:48 PM
Shooter you mean JERKS. Yeah Girl's are Drawn to Jerks.. An BC From your pic that I seen in pics uh lets just say I'm now drawn to jerks.. I'm more of a classy hobbit... an Sam's my niece you JERK :O oops srry ..lol

girls do like jerks, usually the guys they say, "you're so mean" to.

bc-05
03-25-2005, 12:11 AM
Shooter you mean JERKS. Yeah Girl's are Drawn to Jerks.. An BC From your pic that I seen in pics uh lets just say I'm now drawn to jerks.. I'm more of a classy hobbit... an Sam's my niece you JERK :O oops srry ..lol

lol... now ur just getting very silly :P u confused me... first u say ur now drawn to jerk and not interested in me then u called me a jerk that means ur interested in me? meh.. forget it.. im no jerk im a good guy... :P