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BreakPoint
06-06-2009, 12:57 PM
I justed wanted to see how many *********s would still vote "No". :-?

Mansewerz
06-06-2009, 12:58 PM
Not on this forum......

malakas
06-06-2009, 12:58 PM
What's his h2h with Nadal again?
That's all that matters!

Grand Slams?!?? pfffttt

Sleepstream
06-06-2009, 12:59 PM
That'd be one long career.

dh003i
06-06-2009, 01:02 PM
Yea, I think that someone said, "look, if someone comes along and wins 25 or more grand slams, ya, it's kind of case closed". Federer possibly getting to 14 makes a very strong case, especially if he does it here at the FO.

But even 16-18, which still is within his reach, isn't exactly "case closed".

I mean, "case closed" is kind of defined by what we would think of as an impossible accomplishment. I think that 25 grand slams is basically impossible. It would boggle my mind.

Then again, 20 straight semi-finals is kind of mind-boggling too.

vtmike
06-06-2009, 01:03 PM
GOAT is a very subjective topic...Everyone will not have the same GOAT...Honestly IMO there is no such thing as a GOAT...

That being said Federer IMO is the best & the most complete player I have ever seen

JeMar
06-06-2009, 01:05 PM
Only if Federer accomplishes the following:

1. He beats Nadal in every single round of every single major. The rules will be changed so that Nadal can stay in the tournament even if he loses to Federer once, twice, etc.

2. Both matches have at least three days of rest between them so that Nadal cannot be tired.

3. Nadal doesn't commit a single unforced error so we can know that he was playing well.

4. Federer also cannot commit a single error so we know that he was also playing well and didn't luck his way into a victory.

5. All matches must be on slow clay or slow grass.

6. All matches must be played at sea level.

7. Federer must serve under-handed so that his superior serve doesn't get him free points.

8. There must be no audience so that the crowd is not a factor.

9. Federer must always serve from the sunny side.

10. ???

I think that should be enough.

malakas
06-06-2009, 01:12 PM
10.Fed wins all his slams through the hardest possible draw,which will be determined by a round table of Nadal fans of this forum.

JeMar
06-06-2009, 01:13 PM
10.Fed wins all his slams through the hardest possible draw,which will be determined by a round table of Nadal fans of this forum.

Well, under the rules, his draw would be:

128: Nadal
64: Nadal
32: Nadal
16: Nadal
QF: Nadal
SF: Nadal
F: Nadal

BigServer1
06-06-2009, 01:39 PM
Well, under the rules, his draw would be:

128: Nadal
64: Nadal
32: Nadal
16: Nadal
QF: Nadal
SF: Nadal
F: Nadal

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

FlamEnemY
06-06-2009, 01:40 PM
He'll still have to quialify though. Possibly beating Djokovic and Murray. And Del Potro.

Thor
06-06-2009, 01:44 PM
If BP reached 22,000 posts,would he be the undisputed GTOAT?

Oh wait a minute...22,700...

Isnt there a mandatory retirement from tt forums upon reaching 23,000 posts?

malakas
06-06-2009, 01:44 PM
Well, under the rules, his draw would be:

128: Nadal
64: Nadal
32: Nadal
16: Nadal
QF: Nadal
SF: Nadal
F: Nadal

Exactly.And that's only for the first 3 calendar GrandSlams.
For the rest of the calendar GrandSlams,Roger has to invent a time-machine and go back in time to play Sampras and Laver in their PRIME and beat each 10 times,before he can be considered GOAT.

VivalaVida
06-06-2009, 01:46 PM
Only if Federer accomplishes the following:

1. He beats Nadal in every single round of every single major. The rules will be changed so that Nadal can stay in the tournament even if he loses to Federer once, twice, etc.

2. Both matches have at least three days of rest between them so that Nadal cannot be tired.

3. Nadal doesn't commit a single unforced error so we can know that he was playing well.

4. Federer also cannot commit a single error so we know that he was also playing well and didn't luck his way into a victory.

5. All matches must be on slow clay or slow grass.

6. All matches must be played at sea level.

7. Federer must serve under-handed so that his superior serve doesn't get him free points.

8. There must be no audience so that the crowd is not a factor.

9. Federer must always serve from the sunny side.

10. ???

I think that should be enough.
ROFL. That was excellent!

oberyn
06-06-2009, 01:47 PM
GOAT is a very subjective topic...Everyone will not have the same GOAT...Honestly IMO there is no such thing as a GOAT...

That being said Federer IMO is the best & the most complete player I have ever seen

Great post. I agree with you re: Federer, but disagree with those posters who seem to be taking it personally that not everyone views Fed and his career accomplishments the same way.

ClubHoUno
06-06-2009, 02:02 PM
I voted no, because he would be GOAT already at 14 :lol:

woodrow1029
06-06-2009, 02:26 PM
If BP reached 22,000 posts,would he be the undisputed GTOAT?

Oh wait a minute...22,700...

Isnt there a mandatory retirement from tt forums upon reaching 23,000 posts?
Amen to that!

EtePras
06-06-2009, 02:42 PM
How can someone be the GOAT if he gets dominated by Nadal? Sampras is still the greatest because he never lost a match, unlike this Federer mug who not only loses, but to the same guy multiple times.

ThA_Azn_DeViL
06-06-2009, 02:45 PM
How can anyone be GOAT when they have a pregnant girlfriend?

hoodjem
06-06-2009, 02:47 PM
I justed wanted to see how many *********s would still vote "No". :-?
Do you mean 100 (calendar year) Grand Slams, that is all four per year for 100 years, equaling 400 majors?

Well, yes then he would be. But I'll be dead before he finishes in 2110.

DarthFed
06-06-2009, 02:48 PM
How can someone be the GOAT if he gets dominated by Nadal? Sampras is still the greatest because he never lost a match, unlike this Federer mug who not only loses, but to the same guy multiple times.

What?

Well at least there's one match

http://www.atpworldtour.com/tennis/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=Sampras%2C+Pete&player2=federer

If Agassi was as consistent as Nadal i think he would have won more

Max G.
06-06-2009, 02:50 PM
Nah. At that point, I'd be sure that he cheated in some way. He'd have to win all 4 grand slams for the next two-and-some decades - impossible without some medical breakthrough (which, in itself, would make comparison to former players nonsensical).

Claudius
06-06-2009, 02:57 PM
BP,

If you really want to know how far Federer haters would go, you should've proposed a plausible number of major wins like 25. I know Federer will probably win about 2-3 more majors, but it amazes me that some people on these boards will still say he's not the GOAT w/ 25 majors. :shock:

I myself am actually not sure whether he is right now, but a win tomorrow will def. make him the GOAT imo.

Blinkism
06-06-2009, 03:04 PM
To win a 100 Grand Slams would take 25 years at LEAST (winning the calendar grand slam every year) and by the 16th GS people would get bored of tennis so by the 100th GS tennis would become an obscure sport only watched by the most hardcore of tennis fans and, ofcourse, *******s.

P_Agony
06-06-2009, 03:10 PM
Federer is too arrogant to be GOAT ;-)

crawl4
06-06-2009, 04:23 PM
How can anyone be GOAT when they have a pregnant girlfriend?

correction, pregnant wife..

zagor
06-06-2009, 04:26 PM
I doubt that there ever will be "undisputed" GOAT,we all have our own theories on who GOAT is and it's hard to compare eras anyway because of equipment,change of conditions and surfaces,competition etc. so I really doubt that there will ever be a definite answer who the best ever is.

seffina
06-06-2009, 04:27 PM
No, since I can't look into the future or know the true strength of those in the past.

He's pretty awesome, though.

Serendipitous
06-06-2009, 04:33 PM
What a strange thread........

raiden031
06-06-2009, 04:35 PM
Well lets say Fed had won a more realistic number like 20 slam titles. Many posters on this board would discredit his accomplishments because of a weak era. The evidence would be that he would face very few players who have a slam title to their name. Its a Catch 22 really, if Fed is too dominant than his opponents are weak because they lack slam titles (because Fed is winning them all), but if Fed is not dominant enough, then it means he is in a strong era (with multiple slam winners), but he's just a good but not great player.

Ambivalent
06-06-2009, 04:35 PM
That would be every slam for 25 years.
Cool.

Morrissey
06-06-2009, 04:35 PM
My guess is no. Life? That's overrated.

BreakPoint
06-06-2009, 04:45 PM
How can someone be the GOAT if he gets dominated by Nadal? Sampras is still the greatest because he never lost a match, unlike this Federer mug who not only loses, but to the same guy multiple times.
Yeah, sure. Sampras went 1,000,000 and 0 in his career, right? :roll:

I guess you missed Sampras' US Open finals against Edberg, Safin, and Hewitt, ans his Aus Open final against Agassi, and his Wimbledon matches against Federer and Krajicek, too. :oops:

BreakPoint
06-06-2009, 04:47 PM
Well, so far, 44% of the voters voted "No".

This just goes to prove how many *********s there are on this board.

Enough said.

BreakPoint
06-06-2009, 04:50 PM
That would be every slam for 25 years.
Cool.
Well, pros like Pancho Gonzales, Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, and Jimmy Connors were still playing into their early 40's, so it's not inconceivable. :)

slice bh compliment
06-06-2009, 04:58 PM
It's possible for him to get to 100 slams, but even if he did, I'd question his GOAT status.
Here's what would hold him back:

His backhand is suspect and he shanks too many forehands.
He needs to switch racquets to whatever the guys here prefer.
He trembles too much, even on his way to winning.
He is a realllly lucky individual.
He's sliiiightly effeminate.
His wife is not really hot enough for most posters here.
He is really classy, but he's also arrogant at times.
He is physically fit and mentally tough enough to win a LOT of matches (100 slams), but deep down, he has too many complexes about macho, tan dudes who are way stronger in spirit, mind and body.
He has a fragrance line. THAT, my friends, is a dealbreaker!
And if that's not good enough for you.....I'll just pull out the serious dealbreaker. One word: MANPURSE.

Case closed.
Game, set, match: Mr. Laver.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-06-2009, 05:05 PM
If he wins the next 2 Wimbledon and U.S. Open titles (the most important slams IMO), he's the GOAT--at least in number of slams (judging that status on talent is another discussion).

slice bh compliment
06-06-2009, 05:11 PM
If he wins the next 2 Wimbledon and U.S. Open titles (the most important slams IMO), he's the GOAT--at least in number of slams (judging that status on talent is another discussion).


Yeh, but that would only be like 17 or 18 slams. Not enough, given his poor records against Murray, *****ovic and Rafa.
Roger is so weak in every other totally subjective category, he'll need over a hundred slams to sniff entry to the International Tennis Hall of Fame. I'm telling you, he needs a larger headed racquet. He's lucky he wears a headband/bandana. Can you imagine how bad his record would be if he still wore hats? Don't even get me started on the other stuff.

zagor
06-06-2009, 05:12 PM
It's possible for him to get to 100 slams, but even if he did, I'd question his GOAT status.
Here's what would hold him back:

His backhand is suspect and he shanks too many forehands.
He needs to switch racquets to whatever the guys here prefer.
He trembles too much, even on his way to winning.
He is a realllly lucky individual.
He's sliiiightly effeminate.
His wife is not really hot enough for most posters here.
He is really classy, but he's also arrogant at times.
He is physically fit and mentally tough enough to win a LOT of matches (100 slams), but deep down, he has too many complexes about macho, tan dudes who are way stronger in spirit, mind and body.
He has a fragrance line. THAT, my friends, is a dealbreaker!
And if that's not good enough for you.....I'll just pull out the serious dealbreaker. One word: MANPURSE.

Case closed.
Game, set, match: Mr. Laver.

That one does it,no real need to list other reasons.Fed's quest to become a GOAT became completely fruitless the day he walked on centre court of Wimbledon carrying a friggin manpurse :).

slice bh compliment
06-06-2009, 05:15 PM
Blazer? okay.
Cable knit sweater vest, even. Fine.....it's like Hoad/Laver/ Pancho....cool.
Long pants? Sure, Elly Vines/Fred Perry look. Very sharp, especially given the mild temperatures.
Shoes with his name on them and a bunch of cups? A little much, but...great. It was Phil KNight's doing, let's reckon.

But a quilted, white leather manpurse with a gold NIKE logo?
Sorry, Roger. Love you, man, but....sorry. Take it to the Gay Games in Germany next year. Earn your man card back and we can talk about GOAT status.

EDIT:
Speaking of earning his man card. I've softened my stance on Roger as he's about to become a father. That's one of the most blessed events ever, and I do wish him well. He's already one of the Greatest anyway. I wish him the very best tomorrow.

Allez Rog!

S H O W S T O P P E R !
06-06-2009, 05:17 PM
Honestly I don't think there is a GOAT seeing as there is too many differences in the eras.

slice bh compliment
06-06-2009, 05:19 PM
Yeah but w/o inter-era debates, this board would be....bored. Wouldn't really exist would it? At least not as we know it.

1970CRBase
06-06-2009, 07:41 PM
There isn't a GOAT because logically there can't be!

imo, there's only the best player in a decade or so. Borg in the 70's , Ivan in the 80's, Pete in the 90's. Federer is the best in this decade, and will probably also win the 2009 FO - in the unlikely event Nadal then wins the next 6 slams in a row, in which case it would be tough to call.

But if you really like a Fed or Nadal or any particular player, why not just like him for his tennis, his style, for himself? Why care about the number of things he has or doesn't have? Just enjoy the tennis. :)

GuillermoR
06-06-2009, 08:08 PM
10.Fed wins all his slams through the hardest possible draw,which will be determined by a round table of Nadal fans of this forum.

I laughed SO hard man. Seriously, just spot on.

Tennis_Bum
06-06-2009, 09:51 PM
Only if Federer accomplishes the following:

1. He beats Nadal in every single round of every single major. The rules will be changed so that Nadal can stay in the tournament even if he loses to Federer once, twice, etc.

2. Both matches have at least three days of rest between them so that Nadal cannot be tired.

3. Nadal doesn't commit a single unforced error so we can know that he was playing well.

4. Federer also cannot commit a single error so we know that he was also playing well and didn't luck his way into a victory.

5. All matches must be on slow clay or slow grass.

6. All matches must be played at sea level.

7. Federer must serve under-handed so that his superior serve doesn't get him free points.

8. There must be no audience so that the crowd is not a factor.

9. Federer must always serve from the sunny side.

10. ???

I think that should be enough.

That sounds about right.

Ronny
06-06-2009, 10:13 PM
Well, so far, 44% of the voters voted "No".

This just goes to prove how many *********s there are on this board.

Enough said.

they voted no because we all know its never going to happen

urban
06-06-2009, 10:31 PM
One real Grand Slam would be enough. And a goat should not have a 2-6 record against his main rival in majors, and should not be embarrased 1-6, 3-6, 0-6 in a major final.

lambielspins
06-06-2009, 10:33 PM
One real Grand Slam would be enough. And a goat should not have a 2-6 record against his main rival in majors, and should not be embarrased 1-6, 3-6, 0-6 in a major final.

Nadal has more chance to be the future GOAT than Federer. I am not saying he will, in fact I think it is very unlikely, and even less likely now as he has already missed his shot of a Grand Slam this year which might have been his best. However given his youth and record vs all his main rivals thus far, still more shot than Federer would have of reaching it at this point.

vegeta SSJ4
06-06-2009, 10:39 PM
no, the likes of blake, davydenko, and nalbandian all have 101 slams exactly

BreakPoint
06-06-2009, 10:56 PM
they voted no because we all know its never going to happen
Then they didn't see the first word in the question of the poll, which is "If".

Thus, *********s will NEVER acknowledge Federer being the GOAT no matter what he achieves, even if he won 100 Grand Slams. :-?

BreakPoint
06-06-2009, 10:59 PM
One real Grand Slam would be enough. And a goat should not have a 2-6 record against his main rival in majors, and should not be embarrased 1-6, 3-6, 0-6 in a major final.
Being the GOAT does not mean you never lose. No one who has ever played tennis has never lost. GOAT just means you've achieved more than any other tennis player in history.

Cesc Fabregas
06-06-2009, 11:01 PM
Being the GOAT does not mean you never lose. No one who has ever played tennis has never lost. GOAT just means you've achieved more than any other tennis player in history.

Federer still is behind Sampras in years ending no.1 and weeks at no.1 and even if he wins he only ties Sampras' 14 grand slam record.

Mkie7
06-06-2009, 11:06 PM
I justed wanted to see how many *********s would still vote "No". :-?

NO NO and NO!!! As long as his name is Federer he will not be the GOAT. :)

grafselesfan
06-06-2009, 11:09 PM
Federer still is behind Sampras in years ending no.1 and weeks at no.1 and even if he wins he only ties Sampras' 14 grand slam record.

Well I hate Federer with a passion but lets face it, if he wins tommorow he will definitely pass 14 at some point, probably this year even. He will get a huge boost of confidence if he ends up his clay season with the Madrid title over Nadal then the French Open. There is no way his last slam would be the French Open. Also while Sampras had IMO much tougher competition overall than Federer by far, Nadal himself is also a much tougher guy to keep #1 against than anyone from 1993-1998, including Agassi who was only consistent enough to be a threat for #1 a couple of those years anyway.

That being said Sampras is still clearly over Federer for me at this point.

Dutch-Guy
06-07-2009, 01:56 AM
Being the GOAT does not mean you never lose. No one who has ever played tennis has never lost. GOAT just means you've achieved more than any other tennis player in history.

1-6,3-6,0-6, wasn't just a loss,it was a beatdown.Btw only a guy like you can start such a useless thread.Fed is the best of his generation but not a GOAT.There is not such a thing as a GOAT.

Rhino
06-07-2009, 02:49 AM
1-6,3-6,0-6, wasn't just a loss,it was a beatdown.Btw only a guy like you can start such a useless thread.Fed is the best of his generation but not a GOAT.There is not such a thing as a GOAT.

I love the way Nadal fans always make the excuses of knees and tiredness when he loses, but then they try to discredit Federer for a loss when he had mono nucleus. At least Federer made the final when he wasn't 100%.

grafselesfan
06-07-2009, 04:32 AM
I love the way Nadal fans always make the excuses of knees and tiredness when he loses, but then they try to discredit Federer for a loss when he had mono nucleus. At least Federer made the final when he wasn't 100%.

Federer had mono but he dragged it on forever. It was like "oh I still have mono" "oh no I dont" "oh now I have it again"

slice bh compliment
06-07-2009, 04:36 AM
I was hard on Roger about the manpurse.
Here is a to-do list for Roger to check off to truly get his man card back.

1. Win what is destined to be a hard-fought match today.
2. Go to Wimbledon and train on grass, sans manpurse.
3. This one is a tradition in my family: Give the mother to be a cool gift as a pre-mother's day gift. What better a gift that the quilted, white leather NIKE manpurse ... as a diaper bag!
4. Win one more slam after today: either one, doesn't matter.

Hall of Fame. GOAT.

Allez Rog!

BorisBeckerFan
06-07-2009, 04:40 AM
At that point it would be no brainer. But this is obviously outside the realm of stupidity and ventured into the realm of possibly stupid and shot through hyperspace into vortex of knowledge that only the wisest men dare speak of on mondays after french open sundays.

Dutch-Guy
06-07-2009, 04:55 AM
I love the way Nadal fans always make the excuses of knees and tiredness when he loses, but then they try to discredit Federer for a loss when he had mono nucleus. At least Federer made the final when he wasn't 100%.

Didn't you quote the wrong post? Where did i mention "knees excuses" in my post?

varsity8993
06-07-2009, 04:58 AM
No, he'd need to also be on the way to the US Open and successfully land his flight -after an inflight emergency- in the Hudson River and then pull the plane to shore using only the under seat flotation device as support.

Oh... and then win the tournament, starting that afternoon.

:)

hoodjem
06-07-2009, 05:05 AM
If Fed wins a true Grand Slam, then I would rank him as the co-GOAT no. 1 with Laver.

grafrules
06-07-2009, 05:06 AM
If Fed wins a true Grand Slam, then I would rank him as the co-GOAT no. 1 with Laver.

The funny thing is if he had won that AO final this year which he probably should have won, he might have had a real shot at it this year if he wins today. Since he didnt do that it seems highly unlikely he ever will for alot of reasons.

BreakPoint
06-07-2009, 05:39 AM
Federer still is behind Sampras in years ending no.1 and weeks at no.1 and even if he wins he only ties Sampras' 14 grand slam record.
And Sampras never made it to 20 GS semis in a row, nor did he ever make it to 15 of 16 GS finals in a row. Sampras also never even made the finals of a single French Open, let alone 4 times, and let alone win it.

Sampras also has never gone through any season with the win-loss records that Federer had for several years.

Sampras has also never won 5 straight Wimbledons nor 5 straight US Opens. Sampras also does not own an Olympic gold medal.

BreakPoint
06-07-2009, 05:44 AM
Federer had mono but he dragged it on forever. It was like "oh I still have mono" "oh no I dont" "oh now I have it again"
Once you have mono, the virus NEVER leaves you body. It's just like the herpes virus.

Have you seen Ancic lately? It's been almost 3 years I think when he first got mono.

BreakPoint
06-07-2009, 05:47 AM
I love the way Nadal fans always make the excuses of knees and tiredness when he loses, but then they try to discredit Federer for a loss when he had mono nucleus. At least Federer made the final when he wasn't 100%.
Exactly! He didn't lose in the 4th round to an indoor hardcourt specialist ranked outside of the Top 20.

Tempest344
06-07-2009, 05:53 AM
no

a GOAT does not get mono

eagle
06-07-2009, 08:00 AM
In some folks' eyes that won't be enough.

He'd have to win at least 500.

And in that run, he'd also have to get on a time machine and go back in time to beat folks like Sampras, McEnroe, Laver, Borg, Budge, Connors, etc. in their prime.

:)

r,
eagle