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Dutch-Guy
06-06-2009, 02:34 PM
Question:You basically beat yourself?
DINARA SAFINA: I lost myself

She gave no credit to Kuzzy who outplayed her.

Unlike Serena who has 10 slams,she has 0 but already full of herself.

imalil2gangsta4u
06-06-2009, 02:37 PM
I was wondering who was going to say something about this. Thanks dutch-guy. Everyone gets on Serena when she says it. Well safina said the same thing. Kuznetsova was playing well too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x7nS4sx5ak

malakas
06-06-2009, 02:38 PM
Only this time was true,since Dinara didn't turned up on the court today.That final was over before it even started.

All-rounder
06-06-2009, 02:40 PM
What can you say at the beginning of the tournament she was the favourite i mean c'mon she is the world no.1 and she was handing out bagels in the early rounds she was looking like she was in great form then she pulled a Safina in the final something she said she wouldn't do before the tournament started which goes to show she really is safin's sister

Dutch-Guy
06-06-2009, 02:54 PM
#1 or not give credit where credit is due.She was outplayed by Kuzzy plain and simple.Handing out bagels and breadsticks isn't a guarantee to winning the whole thing.Remember Mary Pierce in RG 1994? She lost only 5 games til the finals where she was straight setted.
Had Serena said the same thing,y'all 'd have laid a smack on her.

Federer's cat
06-06-2009, 02:56 PM
What can you expect, it's Marat's sister.

Winners or Errors
06-06-2009, 02:59 PM
She did play like garbage out there today. Her last match with Kuznetzova was 3 sets, and interesting, wasn't it? Everyone is entitled to an off day. So far this year, Safina's only off days seem to be when she's in a GS final. Last I checked there are 126 other players who were in the tournament who'd love to have made it to the final. She did not lose merely because her opponent played well; she lost because she played poorly at the same time. I, for one, am looking forward to her getting the monkey off her back.

Dutch-Guy
06-06-2009, 03:08 PM
She did play like garbage out there today. Her last match with Kuznetzova was 3 sets, and interesting, wasn't it? Everyone is entitled to an off day. So far this year, Safina's only off days seem to be when she's in a GS final. Last I checked there are 126 other players who were in the tournament who'd love to have made it to the final. She did not lose merely because her opponent played well; she lost because she played poorly at the same time. I, for one, am looking forward to her getting the monkey off her back.

Serena was a break up in the third against Kuzzy but choked.When she said she beat herself,the h*ll broke loose here.Once again give credit where credit is due,whether you played bad or not.

Lejanius
06-06-2009, 04:01 PM
not to defend Safina because I don't care one bit about her but she did beat herself. Kuznetzova played extremely well too

another thing I find humorous. Everyone bashes these athletes for claiming "I beat myself" and other stuff. How do you think they rise to the top? An insane amount of self confidence is required to be a top athlete at any level. They should "think" their always the best, that is how they maintain that, if you think you suck all the time and were out played it certainly has an effect on your game

Claudius
06-06-2009, 04:06 PM
Most people agree that Serena is arrogant since she does this all the time. But this? Safina has no slams and has a bright future ahead of her (I hope). Let's not judge her on one statement alone.

skip1969
06-06-2009, 05:09 PM
players in other sports say things 1000 times worse and no one cares. we go through this all the time, here (and i don't know why). it's a stupid post-match presser . . . who cares? when i watch other sports, no one gives a hoot what the loser has to say. it's irrelevant. they lost. and even the average fan can probably figure out why they lost without some knucklehead reporter asking some knucklehead question at the presser.

whenever someone isn't gracious in defeat we always have one of these threads pop up on tt. it gets old. watch other sports and find out what "arrogant" really is.

seffina
06-06-2009, 05:09 PM
You saw her there today. She did beat herself. It's not to say Kuz didn't play well, but that was not Safina at her best.

I am not anti Serena and a Venus fan and nobody's press conference comments bother me. They're tennis players, I don't judge them by their comments in silly press conferences. Unless they make me laugh then it'll endear me to them, but don't care in general.

zagor
06-06-2009, 05:13 PM
Except Safina was right,she wasn't mentally on court at all today.It was one of the biggest meltdowns I've seen.I mean turning to coach and saying I'm a coward? And then almost starting to cry before the match was even over? It was tough to see her like that even though I was rooting for Kuzzy to go all the way.Safina really seems to have some issues when it comes to big matches like this(slam finals),I hope she works them out because she definitely has a game to win a slam,there's no question about it.

Richie Rich
06-06-2009, 05:15 PM
one of them was going to give it away today. i thought it might be kuznetsova. but i'm really not surprised. kuznetsova played better (i only watched first set) and went for her shots

zagor
06-06-2009, 05:19 PM
one of them was going to give it away today. i thought it might be kuznetsova. but i'm really not surprised. kuznetsova played better (i only watched first set) and went for her shots

I disagree that Kuzzy went for her shots,if anything she played smart tennis not going for too much and moving Safina around.Kuzzy's one of the few players in WTA today who has some variety and tactics in her game instead of just clubbing the ball hoping it goes in.

While I think Safina was going for too much off the ground,maybe due to her nerves.

VilasFan
06-06-2009, 05:23 PM
hey...no guts, no glory! Kuzzy showed up and played like a BEAST. Safina couldn't "nut-up" and so it goes...However, this "I beat myself" shlock is getting old. Can't these players admit that their opponent played better than them...whether they choked or got their necks stepped on. Sheesh!

I guess this won't scuttle the "I deserve to be #1 talk." Safina is definitely her brother's sister :???:

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-06-2009, 05:26 PM
Question:You basically beat yourself?
DINARA SAFINA: I lost myself

She gave no credit to Kuzzy who outplayed her.

Unlike Serena who has 10 slams,she has 0 but already full of herself.



...yeah, but i'm sure some will have ready excuses for her outplayed ***.

Serendipitous
06-06-2009, 05:27 PM
Safina really did beat herself, but at the same time, Kuznetsova played a very solid match.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-06-2009, 05:59 PM
another thing I find humorous. Everyone bashes these athletes for claiming "I beat myself" and other stuff. How do you think they rise to the top? An insane amount of self confidence is required to be a top athlete at any level. They should "think" their always the best, that is how they maintain that

^ Post of the week, if not the year.

Your statement needs to be drilled into the heads of all who (for no good or valid reason) believe a competitive profession requires a crippling mindset like humility. There's no place for it in situation where--essentially--its one person against the "world they occupy.

VilasFan
06-06-2009, 07:07 PM
^^no one's talking humility, they're talking reality. If you get your butt handed to you...YOU GOT BEAT! Maybe you did have an off-day...so what. You didn't rise to the level of your opponent...for whatever the reason. Make adjustments and move on.

Mick
06-06-2009, 07:12 PM
serena and safina think if they played at their absolute best, nobody could beat them. i don't think that is true, if their opponents rise to the occasion and play their absolute best too.

topher.juan
06-06-2009, 07:27 PM
Nothing wrong with what she said; while she doesn't address Kuzzy's performance, she's not making anything up; there's no intention to take away from Kuzzy's win. Safina's worst enemy can be herself; she struggles to hold it together at finals. I was hoping she'd have the nerves worked out since AO09, perhaps she thought so too and was even more shocked to see them present today. You can lose to -- and because of -- yourself, even if you are the #1 player; it's certainly not easy to say/face that. I'll be very happy to see her fight in a final with the same focus/confidence she has on the six matches leading to it.

thalivest
06-06-2009, 07:44 PM
serena and safina think if they played at their absolute best, nobody could beat them. i don't think that is true, if their opponents rise to the occasion and play their absolute best too.

Amongst the current field I would say Serena is nearly unbeatable at her best on any faster surface except for Venus on grass. On a slower surface no, and she is delusional to what her best is if she thinks so (which of course she is). I think Safina at her best would probably be unbeatable on clay amongst the field that is left, but on nothing else.

martini1
06-06-2009, 07:48 PM
serena and safina think if they played at their absolute best, nobody could beat them. i don't think that is true, if their opponents rise to the occasion and play their absolute best too.

It may not be true but as a pro athlete she has to think in those mindsets. You can't think if the other person is at her best u may lose. That's a no-no from coaches.

theballboy
06-06-2009, 07:51 PM
Amongst the current field I would say Serena is nearly unbeatable at her best on any faster surface except for Venus on grass. On a slower surface no, and she is delusional to what her best is if she thinks so (which of course she is). I think Safina at her best would probably be unbeatable on clay amongst the field that is left, but on nothing else.

Nonsense. Safina's game is not suited for clay; she just has a long wind up on her FH and slow movement that become less of a liability on slower surfaces. By the same token, if someone is consistently hitting wit pace, deep, from side to side, Safina will lose, no matter the surface. Kuznetsova was doing that for most of the first set. Safina will never be "unbeatable" anywhere.

grafselesfan
06-06-2009, 07:54 PM
#1 or not give credit where credit is due.She was outplayed by Kuzzy plain and simple.


What is the problem, she is right. Kuznetsova was nothing special. Kuznetsova took 3 sets to beat a past her prime out of shape Serena on her worst surface, then 3 sets to beat doubles specialist Stosur. She wasnt in special form. Nor was she in special form today. If Safina had played the tennis she played all week she would have easily won in straight sets without question. She was right, she beat herself, Kuznetsova was just along for the ride.

grafselesfan
06-06-2009, 07:58 PM
Nonsense. Safina's game is not suited for clay; she just has a long wind up on her FH and slow movement that become less of a liability on slower surfaces. By the same token, if someone is consistently hitting wit pace, deep, from side to side, Safina will lose, no matter the surface. Kuznetsova was doing that for most of the first set. Safina will never be "unbeatable" anywhere.

I dont entirely disagree with the first half of your statement, but todays match is a poor example. Kuznetsova was never playing tennis today or anytime this tournament that a normal Safina could not have easily beaten. Normal Safina just never shows up for a slam final.

Annika
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
In the past players would always be gracious and speak well of their opponents after a match. The times are a changing....... :twisted:

LurkingGod
06-07-2009, 12:14 AM
Except Safina was right,she wasn't mentally on court at all today.It was one of the biggest meltdowns I've seen.I mean turning to coach and saying I'm a coward? And then almost starting to cry before the match was even over? It was tough to see her like that even though I was rooting for Kuzzy to go all the way.Safina really seems to have some issues when it comes to big matches like this(slam finals),I hope she works them out because she definitely has a game to win a slam,there's no question about it.
I agree with everything you said. The fact that she let herself down was so plain to see. Kuzzy played extremely well no doubt but a half-decent version of Safina would've at least made a match out of it.

The question is, how did this happen? I used to think she lost the previous 2 slams because she was the underdog who didn't have enough confidence in herself to pull it off.. Now she went to the match as the big fav but you would've thought she was a surprise finallist by the way she played. What's going on? She couldn't win a slam when she had no pressure and she couldn't win one under pressure. It must have been her head and her heart that caused her the GS titles because she sure had a game to win it.

TheTruth
06-07-2009, 12:45 AM
I'm a Safina fan, but I don't think she beat herself. She played reasonably well, but she can't match Kuznetsova for variety or movement. When Kuznetsova is on, and keeps her nerves together she's very, very difficult to beat.

Bottom line:

Safina said the same thing Serena said, and as far as the postings I didn't see anyone calling her ugly, a b*, out-of-shape, arrogant, or anything else.

Double standards at its best.

Rhino
06-07-2009, 02:03 AM
I don't know why you guys make such a big deal out of this. Safina wasn't being egotistical, she was quite sweet, and hurting badly from knowing that she choked. Whats the problem? Anyway, we saw the match so we know what she's saying is true.

TheTruth
06-07-2009, 02:08 AM
I don't know why you guys make such a big deal out of this. Safina wasn't being egotistical, she was quite sweet, and hurting badly from knowing that she choked. Whats the problem? Anyway, we saw the match so we know what she's saying is true.

I like Safina. She's one of my favorites. I think she's awfully sweet, but the point is, why can one player say something and be vilefied and another player say the same thing and be lauded. It just reeks!

zagor
06-07-2009, 02:14 AM
I agree with everything you said. The fact that she let herself down was so plain to see. Kuzzy played extremely well no doubt but a half-decent version of Safina would've at least made a match out of it.

The question is, how did this happen? I used to think she lost the previous 2 slams because she was the underdog who didn't have enough confidence in herself to pull it off.. Now she went to the match as the big fav but you would've thought she was a surprise finally by the way she played. What's going on? She couldn't win a slam when she had no pressure and she couldn't win one under pressure. It must have been her head and her heart that caused her the GS titles because she sure had a game to win it.

The problem is that Safina's going backwards actually in how she handles really big matches,not improving at all.This poster put it better than I ever could:

I was rooting for Safina today, and I fully expected her to win today as it seems most did. Still I am happy for Kuznetsova. That 2nd slam has been a long time coming. Amongst this current very weak womens field someone of her current really ought to win multiple slams so I am glad she finally added that 2nd. Maybe she can gain more confidence and build her career from this.

Not to take credit away from her but what a miserable performance from Safina. Not just her tennis but her complete fear of the moment. She almost looked ready to cry in the 2nd set. You know even mentally fragile players are supposed to build with their experiences in the big matches. Not Safina, she just gets worse with each one. Her French Open final performance vs Ivanovic was actually decent, not great, but decent, especialy for her first ever slam final. Her Olympic final performance vs Dementieva was a clear step down, despite that it somehow went 3 sets. Her Australian Open final performance was very weak and yet even further regression in her performance from the Olympic final. Despite that this was a more competitive scoreline than the Australian Open final her actual performance was again even further down from the Australian Open final. She just seems to get worse and worse each time, which really looks bad on her. I thought she was finally turning the corner, this is getting pathetic.

I was very happy that Kuzzy won though,she has always been one of my favourite players on WTA tour.

thalivest
06-07-2009, 02:28 AM
The womens game is a disaester right now. Other than an overweight and no longer commited (yet still winning due to the field) Serena Williams it is a mix of:

Aging past their prime greats- Mauresmo, Davenport, Pierce

Players that retired too early- Henin, Clijsters

The headcase underachieving Russian quartet- Kuznetsova, Safina, Petrova, Dementieva

Significant players who cant stay healthy-Sharapova, Venus

Overachieving players without true championship talent or games, atleast not yet- Jankovic, Ivanovic, Zvonareva

Youngsters with potential who havent really proven themselves just yet- Azarenka, Radwanska, Wozniacki

Former shooting stars who flamed out already: Vaidsova, Chakvetadze, Peer

What a sad mess.

Warriorroger
06-07-2009, 03:05 AM
It's not the same thing. Safina didn't play, she was scared to death. You could tell by Svetlana's reaction in the end. Serena Williams makes those comments when she plays well and loses the match.

Warriorroger
06-07-2009, 03:08 AM
In the past players would always be gracious and speak well of their opponents after a match. The times are a changing....... :twisted:

This is not true, they spoke about each other and the rivalries on court were much fierce than now. The difference is that the greats blessed their talents, didn't not boast about it with their mouths, but let their rackets do the talking.

The thing you see now, started with the arrival of Martina Hingis.

Rhino
06-07-2009, 03:21 AM
I like Safina. She's one of my favorites. I think she's awfully sweet, but the point is, why can one player say something and be vilefied and another player say the same thing and be lauded. It just reeks!

I think it's just that Serena has such an arrogant demeanor, and has a history of talking down to other players. With Safina, if you actually watch the interview, you can see that it is just innocent honesty, and there is a big difference.

jetlee2k
06-07-2009, 03:34 AM
Safina CHOKED. That's what she meant "I beat myself".. She choked badly... I am Safina fan but seeing her choking in a GS finals many times is quite a turn off.. !!

Dutch-Guy
06-07-2009, 03:45 AM
Safina played well but got her neck stepped on by Sveta.She didn't choke, she was outplayed.Serena on the other hand choked as she was a break up in the third against Sveta but couldn't keep up the pace.
Both said the same thing in their pressers but only Serena got called names.This board is ful of hypocrites.

grafrules
06-07-2009, 04:07 AM
Safina played well but got her neck stepped on by Sveta.She didn't choke, she was outplayed.Serena on the other hand choked as she was a break up in the third against Sveta but couldn't keep up the pace.
Both said the same thing in their pressers but only Serena got called names.This board is ful of hypocrites.

LOL! You are delusional. Serena played extremely well for her standards at this point in her career on clay, her worst surface. She had no business even being in a 3rd set but Kuznetsova's choke in the 2nd set let her there. Safina on the other hand choked the whole match away in that she didnt even show up and handed it to Kuznetsova. Based on her form leading into the French and during the French itself it was also her match to win or lose. You are another clueless newcomer to these boards, all your opinions are based on biases to players you are in love with (eg- Roddick, Serena) or players you cant stand (Safina, Henin, Federer). Arent you the one who says Federer never outplays Roddick, Roddick just always chokes. :lol:

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-07-2009, 04:26 AM
LOL! You are another clueless newcomer to these boards, all your opinions are based on biases to players you are in love with


Your screen name and avatar makes you a hypocrite for posting that, since you obviously love Graf enough to use her in that manner. Are you going to tell us that you do NOT have bias fueling your opinions on the female payers using Graf as your conscious (or subconscious) measuring stick?

grafrules
06-07-2009, 04:30 AM
Your screen name and avatar makes you a hypocrite for posting that, since you obviously love Graf enough to use her in that manner. Are you going to tell us that you do NOT have bias fueling your opinions on the female payers using Graf as your conscious (or subconscious) measuring stick?

Well we have the option to have an avatar, why not use a player you like. I dont see what the big deal of using an avatar of your favorite player is, what else do you expect people to use.

Secondly it is hard to be biased to a player atleast 50% of experts and fans consider the greatest female player ever (almost all of the other 50% considering it to be Navratilova) and atleast 95% of experts and fans consider the be one of the two greatest female players ever. Impossible to get much higher than that, fan or no fan. :)

Dutch-Guy
06-07-2009, 04:31 AM
LOL! You are delusional.
Chill out lil girl.Don't revert to insults if you lack arguments.My post wasn't directed at you.
Serena played extremely well for her standards at this point in her career on clay, her worst surface. She had no business even being in a 3rd set but Kuznetsova's choke in the 2nd set let her there.
It was a combination of Kuzzy choking and Serena stepping up her game.Hence the break in the third.
Safina on the other hand choked the whole match away in that she didnt even show up and handed it to Kuznetsova.
No Kuzzy took it to her.
Based on her form leading into the French and during the French itself it was also her match to win or lose.
She had an easy draw(except Vika) and people started thinking that she was gonna win RG.Cruising through rounds doesn't guarantee a victory.Once again Mary Pierce:RG 1994.
You are another clueless newcomer to these boards,
You are an old timer,so....
all your opinions are based on biases to players you are in love with (eg- Roddick, Serena)
"In love with A-Rod and Serena"? lmao your big empty head is screwed up.I'm huge fan of Rafa and i like Serana's game.Just check my other posts.
or players you cant stand (Safina, Henin, Federer).
I 'm not a fan them but i don't hate them.I've never started threads bashing them,unlike some fans do against Rafa and Serena.
Arent you the one who says Federer never outplays Roddick, Roddick just always chokes. :lol:
Try to find that post.I assume you're an adult(i can be wrong though) so let's keep the discussion clean.I've yet to call other posters i disagree with names since i joined this board(i've been lurking around for years btw).

jetlee2k
06-07-2009, 04:34 AM
Safina played well but got her neck stepped on by Sveta.She didn't choke, she was outplayed.Serena on the other hand choked as she was a break up in the third against Sveta but couldn't keep up the pace.
Both said the same thing in their pressers but only Serena got called names.This board is ful of hypocrites.

just re-watch the match in the second set.. she missed too many easy shots way out.. in the bottom of the net.. then double faults so many times.. well.. she did not choke then she wanted to give the match away for Sveta as a childhood friend.. she CHOKED in all of the GS finals she had played so far.. !!

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-07-2009, 04:38 AM
The thing you see now, started with the arrival of Martina Hingis.

Ah, but notice how some of thes members conveniently forget her disrespectful or lowdown comments about Graf, Mauresmo and the Williams sisters, among others. They would have everyone believe Serena introduced this sort of behavior.

navratilovafan
06-07-2009, 04:45 AM
Safina played well but got her neck stepped on by Sveta.She didn't choke, she was outplayed.Serena on the other hand choked as she was a break up in the third against Sveta but couldn't keep up the pace.
Both said the same thing in their pressers but only Serena got called names.This board is ful of hypocrites.

What a pile of useless and completely false BS. They really need to implement IQ tests before letting people on the boards.

Dutch-Guy
06-07-2009, 04:52 AM
just re-watch the match in the second set.. she missed too many easy shots way out.. in the bottom of the net.. then double faults so many times.. Choke means squandering a lead,which Dinara never had in both sets.She was lagging behind Sveta in both sets: broken in the first game,first set, broke right back,got broken again in the 8th game,broke right back in the 9th game,then lost her serve in the 10th game.As you can see,that's hardly "choking".
well.. she did not choke then she wanted to give the match away for Sveta as a childhood friend..
lmao Sveta already had a slam,unlike her.She's the one that needed that the most to validate her #1 ranking.
she CHOKED in all of the GS finals she had played so far.. !!
No.Ana overpowered her,Serena annihilated her and Sveta outplayed her.

Dutch-Guy
06-07-2009, 04:53 AM
What a pile of useless and completely false BS. They really need to implement IQ tests before letting people on the boards.

Keep fronting.I'm starting to suspect that you and Grafrules are one person.The mods should check your IP adresses.

THUNDERVOLLEY
06-07-2009, 04:59 AM
Well we have the option to have an avatar, why not use a player you like.

...for the reason that your love for her makes your "bias" charge against Dutch-Guy one drowning in hypocrisy.

Warriorroger
06-07-2009, 05:37 AM
Ah, but notice how some of thes members conveniently forget her disrespectful or lowdown comments about Graf, Mauresmo and the Williams sisters, among others. They would have everyone believe Serena introduced this sort of behavior.


I am not sure that's what happened. Williams 1 and 2 took this atttitude to another level. However, if you say something about it, you're a racist or st.

At the end of the day, they have to live with themselves. Karma will get them no doubt.

grafselesfan
06-07-2009, 05:40 AM
She is right. It was her match to lose and she gave it away. Serena on the other hand got her *** kicked by Kuznetsova so was wrong. Anyway who cares. The womens tour is nothing but clowns today.

eeytennis
06-07-2009, 05:49 AM
The womens game is a disaester right now. Other than an overweight and no longer commited (yet still winning due to the field) Serena Williams it is a mix of:

Aging past their prime greats- Mauresmo, Davenport, Pierce

Players that retired too early- Henin, Clijsters

The headcase underachieving Russian quartet- Kuznetsova, Safina, Petrova, Dementieva

Significant players who cant stay healthy-Sharapova, Venus

Overachieving players without true championship talent or games, atleast not yet- Jankovic, Ivanovic, Zvonareva

Youngsters with potential who havent really proven themselves just yet- Azarenka, Radwanska, Wozniacki

Former shooting stars who flamed out already: Vaidsova, Chakvetadze, Peer

What a sad mess.

Yeah, this list is very true. When Justine and Clijsters left that really hurt the women's game as a whole. And as for Safina, she did beat herself. She has the game to be Kuznetsova but she choked badly. She needs to stop looking at her coach after every point, it shows she is mentally weak and needs him to fall back on. Kuznetsova was focused and never looked at her box (as far as i saw).