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kraggy
06-07-2009, 08:22 AM
I'm happy for Fed fans, their boy has pretty much done everything left to do. But it's a sad time for us Rafa fans. Seems like there is a significant chance that Rafa will miss Wimbledon. Worse still , his longevity is greatly in question now. I initially thought he would easily play till 28 and by then rack up many many records. Now I'm not so sure :-(.

I don't know if Rafa will ever have the highest slam count. But he has a very good chance of going down as the greatest clay courter on the planet , one of the greatest all surface players on the planet, and one of the strongest athletes both physically and mentally to have ever played the game.

Here's to hoping he comes back a 100% for Wimby 09.

caesar66
06-07-2009, 08:29 AM
I am a fan of both Fed and Nadal, but moreso for Fed, but I want Rafa back and soon. I've speculated (as have many others) that his game will eventually wear him out, but I really don't want to see that. If he is injured I hope its something he can recover from and be back in business soon rather than struggling (a'la Guga and his hip) for the rest of his career.

DarthFed
06-07-2009, 08:31 AM
I want him to get back to 100%

People are writing him off just a little...

It will be interesting...

A relaxed Federer who may zone more often VS A nadal with something to prove...

Fed Nadal Wimby Part III..i look forward to it

Jay_The_Nomad
06-07-2009, 08:31 AM
If its a really serious one, I think Rafa should just sit wimbledon out and gear towards USO.

Uncle Toni & Co really messed up the schedule this year.. overtaxed the guys knees.

batz
06-07-2009, 08:34 AM
I'm not a Rafa fan - but I'm happy to sign up to this thread.

Telepatic
06-07-2009, 08:35 AM
Its sad really.

angharad
06-07-2009, 08:37 AM
I want to see him at Wimby, but I also want to see him fully recovered. I hope he takes all the time he needs to recuperate instead of forcing himself to play with an injury.

Best of luck, Rafa!

Dutch-Guy
06-07-2009, 08:41 AM
Good thread.Rafa 'll fully recover and come back stronger.I wish him a speedy recovery.

fedtastic
06-07-2009, 08:47 AM
yes, Let's focus our positive energies on his recovery so we can have more epic matches. Good luck to him with his treatment and hope he gets well as soon as possible. It's sad to see him like this, I guess he is paying the price for playing every point like its a matter of death. He should take care of himself and not put too much pressure on his body. His health should be his first concern. If he is not healty what is the point of playing.

icedevil0289
06-07-2009, 08:51 AM
I'm on board!! Rafa you better had better get better for wimbly!!!

zagor
06-07-2009, 08:52 AM
Sign me up,best wishes to Nadal,Wimbledon won't be the same if he doesn't participate.He's also a nice guy so I hope he recovers well.

tahiti
06-07-2009, 09:03 AM
I think Rafa should just sit out Wimbledon too. Players take long injury breaks and always come back. Much better to go for the US OPen and Masters at year end, ones he hasn't one than try and play at 50%.

Of course no tournament is the same without him. Rooting for a speedy recovery Rafa!

Dgpsx7
06-07-2009, 09:09 AM
I am a Fed fan. However I really hope Nadal recovers fully physically and mentally because I want to see him at his best for Wimbledon.

LurkingGod
06-07-2009, 09:40 AM
Count me it. Tennis needs a fit Rafa to make it interesting.

dincuss
06-07-2009, 09:51 AM
ME too
10char

yebo
06-07-2009, 09:55 AM
hopefully he does recover 100%
but OP how could you think that nadal would be perfectly healthy for another 6 years.. just look at the way he plays and the persistent tendonitis he has

It seemed to be a general consensus that he could not keep up this type of play for years to come

Serendipitous
06-07-2009, 10:57 AM
I hope he recovers. :(


We need to make a get-well card.

fps
06-07-2009, 11:01 AM
wimbledon needs him.

fed- rafa at wimbledon doesn't disappoint as a contest. i want another round. this year the psychology of the whole thing would be reversed, it would be fascinating.

Nadal_Monfils
06-07-2009, 11:17 AM
My first time going to Wimbledon and Nadal might not even be there! And Nadal Federer matches are always the best.

rafan
06-07-2009, 11:17 AM
Yes he should rest. After all the body needs time to heal itself as well as any treatment he may have. It appears he is seeing a specialist in Barcelona according to one paper so we should know soon. I really will miss him. The match was good today but it didn't have the excitement of a Nadal/Federer epic, they are so good to watch

rafan
06-07-2009, 11:20 AM
My first time going to Wimbledon and Nadal might not even be there! And Nadal Federer matches are always the best.

Oh no thats sad. I was so lucky last year to see them both - but don't give up there is still a chance. Have you put in for the end of the year match in London?

TennisandMusic
06-07-2009, 11:29 AM
Yeah I dunno...I'm beginning to really doubt how smart his camp truly is. Take it easy once in awhile, and it's ok to not play EVERYTHING. Everyone seems to understand this but him/them. Maybe Nadal would be better served with a new coach, but I doubt THAT will ever happen...

thalivest
06-07-2009, 11:30 AM
Vamos Rafa! Keep your spirits up and wish you good health and good form as soon as possible.

thalivest
06-07-2009, 11:31 AM
Yeah I dunno...I'm beginning to really doubt how smart his camp truly is. Take it easy once in awhile, and it's ok to not play EVERYTHING. Everyone seems to understand this but him/them. Maybe Nadal would be better served with a new coach, but I doubt THAT will ever happen...

I think he needs a new coach too. One problem with Rafa IMHO is he is too nice. He wants to please everyone. His family, his coaches (his main coach is his uncle so that makes it even worse), sponsors, promoters, organizers. He needs to put himself first sometimes too.

Sovereignty
06-07-2009, 11:31 AM
Hopefully he recovers soon. It is always fun to watch him play. I am happy to be a fan of both Fed AND Rafa.

Enigma_87
06-07-2009, 11:34 AM
it's whether he's injured or not. If there's the slightest concern, he should pull off. If he loses yet again before the final, his aura will diminish. He'll become pretty more beatable and pretty more exhausted come the HC season which will put the pressure on his knees more and more.

He'll lose enormous amount of points and (probably) the #1 spot, but if he manages to injure himself for the rest of the season it'll be a great pity not only for him but for tennis as a whole. I always liked the intensity and the quality of Fed and Nadal matches at Wimbey, but if Rafa doesn't believe he could win the whole thing and that he can remain healthy he'd pull out, as it would be only a lose lose situation if he loses to someone like Karlovic in a 4-5 setter in the 4th round.

malakas
06-07-2009, 11:35 AM
I hope whatever he has he heals soon.We will know for sure in 1-2 days.

CyBorg
06-07-2009, 11:36 AM
I bet he'll be fine. Rafa didn't look like his knee was falling off.

Cesc Fabregas
06-07-2009, 11:37 AM
Nadal doesn't need a new coach Toni Nadal has done a fine job and is clearly a smart guy.

TennisandMusic
06-07-2009, 11:46 AM
Nadal doesn't need a new coach Toni Nadal has done a fine job and is clearly a smart guy.

You can be smart yet still be a fool. Here are a few things that could easily be done.

1. Change his schedule. It is OBVIOUS he plays too much. Why on earth was he playing Rotterdam right after he WON the AO? Especially after playing TEN HOURS in the last two matches? Extremely extremely foolish.

2. Why complain about Madrid and yet still play it? Pull out with an injury, tank it or whatever. Just don't push yourself when you're obviously not well. Something was definitely wrong with Nadal at Madrid and it showed there and at the French.

3. Change Nadal's diet. He is a known junk food eater. Nadal has stated it doesn't matter what you eat, it's up to how you do. I'm a bit of a nutrition freak, and this is so far from the truth it's ridiculous. He might be able to get away with it in his late teen's and very early 20's but those sorts of habits will catch up to you quickly, in many ways.

4. Get the kid on some large doses of Glucosamine and Chondroitin. Maybe they already do this but I'm sort of doubting it. If anyone doesn't know what it is, and what it does for the body, look it up.

5. Focus purely on his aggressive game. If he wants longevity this is what he has to do. Name me one all time great with longevity that would fall back to being a grinder in tough matches. Can you name a single one? Look at the two most accomplished guys. Sampras and Federer. Their styles are generally to attack whenever possible. Serve big. Toni has stated Nadal needs to play everywhere like he's playing on grass, and that it's a mental thing. Ok well why aren't you doing it?

These are just quick things off the top of my head, and yet Nadal and Toni are struggling with the same issues for the past few years. That's pretty stupid. So like I said, even though they are smart guys, they can still be fools.

shrakkie
06-07-2009, 11:47 AM
Here's hoping to a speedy recovery, vamos Rafa!

Cesc Fabregas
06-07-2009, 11:48 AM
You can be smart yet still be a fool. Here are a few things that could easily be done.

1. Change his schedule. It is OBVIOUS he plays too much. Why on earth was he playing Rotterdam right after he WON the AO? Especially after playing TEN HOURS in the last two matches? Extremely extremely foolish.

2. Why complain about Madrid and yet still play it? Pull out with an injury, tank it or whatever. Just don't push yourself when you're obviously not well. Something was definitely wrong with Nadal at Madrid and it showed there and at the French.

3. Change Nadal's diet. He is a known junk food eater. Nadal has stated it doesn't matter what you eat, it's up to how you do. I'm a bit of a nutrition freak, and this is so far from the truth it's ridiculous. He might be able to get away with it in his late teen's and very early 20's but those sorts of habits will catch up to you quickly, in many ways.

4. Get the kid on some large doses of Glucosamine and Chondroitin. Maybe they already do this but I'm sort of doubting it. If anyone doesn't know what it is, and what it does for the body, look it up.

5. Focus purely on his aggressive game. If he wants longevity this is what he has to do. Name me one all time great with longevity that would fall back to being a grinder in tough matches. Can you name a single one? Look at the two most accomplished guys. Sampras and Federer. Their styles are generally to attack whenever possible. Serve big. Toni has stated Nadal needs to play everywhere like he's playing on grass, and that it's a mental thing. Ok well why aren't you doing it?

These are just quick things off the top of my head, and yet Nadal and Toni are struggling with the same issues for the past few years. That's pretty stupid. So like I said, even though they are smart guys, they can still be fools.



How is Nadal a junk food eater have you ever seen him eat a burger king or mcdonalds?

TennisandMusic
06-07-2009, 11:50 AM
How is Nadal a junk food eater have you ever seen him eat a burger king or mcdonalds?

He likes to eat a lot of sugary sweets, and I've read about it in articles in tennis mags. Look at his hair, it's falling out at a VERY young age. I know some of that can be genetic, but that can also be a sign of insulin resistance which can be a result of eating a lot of sugar, especially considering his young age.

Fedace
06-07-2009, 11:53 AM
It would best serve Rafa if he just takes off rest of the season and just play the Paris and the Masters Final. Don't take any chances with that knee.

Nadal_Freak
06-07-2009, 12:09 PM
Better yet, Nadal should wait until the Australian Open. Peak for the French Open, Wimbledon, and US Open for next year. I'll wait patiently.

TonyB
06-07-2009, 12:11 PM
I must have missed the official press release, and I may be way off the mark here, but does anyone think this is somewhat of an "excuse" for Rafa? I mean, he's had his knees taped up for years and played in numerous epic 4- and 5-hour matches without REALLY complaining about knee pain. And he certainly didn't take time off to sit out of the minor tournaments to heal at all. I mean, the guy's clearly a warrior and has had some treatment for tendonitis in the past. But this F.O., he cruised through the early matches and looked to be in good form, yet after only 3 semi-short matches, he gets wiped out by Soderling who played out of his mind, and now all of the sudden Nadal has some major "unexplainable" knee pain?

So my question is whether or not he's seriously injured, or otherwise just looking for some other reason why he lost to Soderling?

Nuke
06-07-2009, 12:23 PM
Nadal should try to play Wimbledon. He is the defending champion, and grass isn't really the worst surface for ailing knees. Then he can sit out much of the hard court season to recover, as those tournaments would be the worst for his knees.

CCNM
06-07-2009, 12:27 PM
^One of the commentators on NBC was asking the same thing. He said that Nadal pulled out of Queens because of his knees; but the commentator was speculating about Rafa's mental status as well....

Perhaps the world no.1 should consider changing his game so it's a little easier on his body?

Anyway I hope Nadal plays at Wiimbledon & the US Open

gzhpcu
06-07-2009, 12:30 PM
Hope Rafa recovers for Wimbledon and that he can reduce his schedule in the future to avoid injuries.

TennisandMusic
06-07-2009, 12:36 PM
I must have missed the official press release, and I may be way off the mark here, but does anyone think this is somewhat of an "excuse" for Rafa? I mean, he's had his knees taped up for years and played in numerous epic 4- and 5-hour matches without REALLY complaining about knee pain. And he certainly didn't take time off to sit out of the minor tournaments to heal at all. I mean, the guy's clearly a warrior and has had some treatment for tendonitis in the past. But this F.O., he cruised through the early matches and looked to be in good form, yet after only 3 semi-short matches, he gets wiped out by Soderling who played out of his mind, and now all of the sudden Nadal has some major "unexplainable" knee pain?

So my question is whether or not he's seriously injured, or otherwise just looking for some other reason why he lost to Soderling?

Do you even watch his matches? The guy has looked just OFF most of the year. Even though he has posted his best results (which is amazing), so imagine if he was fully healthy. Think about it. He missed a significant part of last year from a knee problem. He really hasn't looked the same since. The movement isn't there, and people were talking about it long before the FO.

Nadal had an interview after he beat Hewitt, and the guy was saying how he had never lost at the FO and Nadal quickly responded "well for sure I'm going to lose." He could have meant at some point in the future, but he didn't look too confident. Something has been up for some time, and we'll see what the results from his visit to Barcelona are.

TonyB
06-07-2009, 12:45 PM
Do you even watch his matches? The guy has looked just OFF most of the year.


I've seen EVERY one of Nadal's and Federer's matches that have been televised this year. So yeah, I guess you can say that I "even watch" his matches.

You're drawing the conclusion that he looks "off" because of his knee. What could possibly make you draw that conclusion? Federer has CLEARLY been "off", and people just attribute it to his mental collapse, or the fact that he "knows" he can't beat Nadal. Or that he's over the hill. Or whatever. So why can't Nadal just be "off" for some other reason? Nope, according to you, it's his knee.

Nobody on this forum knows anything about the situation, which is why I posted what I did. It's another point of view. So for you to somehow claim to know the answer and that his ONE loss this year (hell, the guy won the A.O. and 3 other clay tournaments so far, and was on cruise control in the F.O. before he lost to Soderling) is due to his knee is just ridiculous.

malakas
06-07-2009, 12:52 PM
I must have missed the official press release, and I may be way off the mark here, but does anyone think this is somewhat of an "excuse" for Rafa? I mean, he's had his knees taped up for years and played in numerous epic 4- and 5-hour matches without REALLY complaining about knee pain. And he certainly didn't take time off to sit out of the minor tournaments to heal at all. I mean, the guy's clearly a warrior and has had some treatment for tendonitis in the past. But this F.O., he cruised through the early matches and looked to be in good form, yet after only 3 semi-short matches, he gets wiped out by Soderling who played out of his mind, and now all of the sudden Nadal has some major "unexplainable" knee pain?

So my question is whether or not he's seriously injured, or otherwise just looking for some other reason why he lost to Soderling?

I think that there might be very well mental issues as long as physical ones that he's having.But I'll wait until tuesday to hear the knee results to make my conclusion.Anyway imo extremely slim chance he withdraws from Wimbledon.

emerckx53
06-07-2009, 01:12 PM
[QUOTE=kraggy;3529879]I'm happy for Fed fans, their boy has pretty much done everything left to do. But it's a sad time for us Rafa fans. Seems like there is a significant chance that Rafa will miss Wimbledon. Worse still , his longevity is greatly in question now. I initially thought he would easily play till 28 and by then rack up many many records. Now I'm not so sure :-(.

I don't know if Rafa will ever have the highest slam count. But he has a very good chance of going down as the greatest clay courter on the planet , one of the greatest all surface players on the planet, and one of the strongest athletes both physically and mentally to have ever played the game.

Here's to hoping he comes back a 100% for Wimby 09.[/QUOTE

I sure wouldn't bet against the Fed at Wimby...he will be a loose unburdened player. His health is good, the forehand is back, confidence is back and he has everything to play for again. Anyone who thinks this is Feds last title is just wishing. With all due respect to Rafa he will soon find the physical and mental nature of being No. 1 a real challenge. Fed will certainly end up with 15 slams and 16 isn't that much of a stretch...that means Rafa will need ten more to equal....if he wins 2 per year from here on out that means he has to play another 5 years minimum to catch Fed. Certainly possible but the likely hood of Rafa's knees and left elbow lasting that long is slim. I have a ton of respect for Rafa he is the type of player that has gotten the absolute most out of his talent. I never ever thought he could muster up a win at Wimby and he did. IMO the book is yet to be written on Rafa. Even the most strident Rafa fan has to be in awe of Fed's ability to have stayed at the top sooooo long, to have fought through a low part in his career especially during the last third of his career. He has come full circle again. That should be impressive to anyone who appreciates the game.

rwn
06-07-2009, 02:20 PM
Maybe his injury is more mental than physical. His uncle is always claiming Nadal is injured anyway.

kraggy
06-07-2009, 02:22 PM
I sure wouldn't bet against the Fed at Wimby...he will be a loose unburdened player. His health is good, the forehand is back, confidence is back and he has everything to play for again. Anyone who thinks this is Feds last title is just wishing. With all due respect to Rafa he will soon find the physical and mental nature of being No. 1 a real challenge. Fed will certainly end up with 15 slams and 16 isn't that much of a stretch...that means Rafa will need ten more to equal....if he wins 2 per year from here on out that means he has to play another 5 years minimum to catch Fed. Certainly possible but the likely hood of Rafa's knees and left elbow lasting that long is slim. I have a ton of respect for Rafa he is the type of player that has gotten the absolute most out of his talent. I never ever thought he could muster up a win at Wimby and he did. IMO the book is yet to be written on Rafa. Even the most strident Rafa fan has to be in awe of Fed's ability to have stayed at the top sooooo long, to have fought through a low part in his career especially during the last third of his career. He has come full circle again. That should be impressive to anyone who appreciates the game.

Thank you for your great post which has little relevance to this thread! Please use the opportunity to crow about Feds achievements some more. I don't think we have had enough yet.

emerckx53
06-07-2009, 02:30 PM
Thank you for your great post which has little relevance to this thread! Please use the opportunity to crow about Feds achievements some more. I don't think we have had enough yet.

Read your post again and tell me you didn't do the same for Rafa? You spoke about his totals, longevity etc....lighten up.

kraggy
06-07-2009, 02:33 PM
Read your post again and tell me you didn't do the same for Rafa? You spoke about his totals, longevity etc....lighten up.

The thread is about Rafa , what did you expect. I made a thread about Rafas recovery and I never once mentioned Federer or Fed vs Nadal at Wimby 09. But you had to talk abt Federers greatness and Feds chances at Wimby 09 and Fed winning more slams in the future , all of which I AGREE WITH but there are 10 other threads for that, this is not one of them.

R.Federer
06-07-2009, 02:34 PM
nadal will play at wimbledon bank on it however he has 3 or 4 years left at the top imo

malakas
06-07-2009, 02:34 PM
ok,let's all calm down no,and hope that Rafa will recover soon.Federer has nothing to do with this thread!

Madhoshi22
06-07-2009, 02:44 PM
Better yet, Nadal should wait until the Australian Open. Peak for the French Open, Wimbledon, and US Open for next year. I'll wait patiently.

While that would do wonders with his health, I think Rafa is far too competitive to sit out the rest of the year.
With that said, I wish him all the best and a speedy recovery, hopefully he'll be back at SW19 to defend his title.

jackson vile
06-07-2009, 03:04 PM
I hope people don't really thing anything is wrong with Rafa's knees.

His knees are fine, think of the last time they were wrapped.

Perhaps being #1 has gotten to him, and some really bad luck with Soderling.

Nadal has the worst luck in his draws with players that just get on one, make it to the final and then completely flunk out like what Soderling did.

Kaptain Karl
06-07-2009, 03:12 PM
When did Nadal become "injured"?

I must have missed it.

- KK

yung goon
06-07-2009, 03:49 PM
wimbledon would be immensely boring if rafa didnt play. fed didnt lose a single set going into the final last year. granted, the players have gotten better (murray delpo soderling, ect) but hes the best grass court player besides nadal by far

atac
06-07-2009, 03:53 PM
Hopefully this knee injury is a wake up call for Nadal and his team. Tennis desperately needs him.

hoodjem
06-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Tennis needs competition. Without Rafa, Fed will just roll over everyone else.

After about his 19th slam, even the groupies will get tired of seeing "history in the making" for the Greatest of All Time.

Even Mac will be bored with the game.

jukka1970
06-07-2009, 04:00 PM
I'm happy for Fed fans, their boy has pretty much done everything left to do. But it's a sad time for us Rafa fans. Seems like there is a significant chance that Rafa will miss Wimbledon. Worse still , his longevity is greatly in question now. I initially thought he would easily play till 28 and by then rack up many many records. Now I'm not so sure :-(.

I don't know if Rafa will ever have the highest slam count. But he has a very good chance of going down as the greatest clay courter on the planet , one of the greatest all surface players on the planet, and one of the strongest athletes both physically and mentally to have ever played the game.

Here's to hoping he comes back a 100% for Wimby 09.

I too am a fan of both, and I definitely want to see Rafa back. I sincerely hope that he is ok, and that it's not a serious injury. I'm still leaning and still hopeful that all he did was tweak it, and that he's using caution until Wimbledon. I certainly would if that was the case for me.

Even if I wasn't also a fan of Rafa, I would never wish an injury on anyone, even Sampras who I couldn't stand, I would never wish an injury on. Unfortunately there are some out there that are just sick in the head and would.

Rafa has his place in history coming, whether or not it's ahead of Federer remains to be seen. But one thing is already for certain. It's because of these two players that tennis has gone to new heights.

I mean it's been years of dominance at the slams, where usually both players have been present. Djokovic was the only player to win a slam other then each of them in the past 4 years. We have to go back to the Australian open of 2005 where Safin won to see someone different winning. And so Rafa should get his credit as well.

Come back soon Rafa, and here's hoping you're ok.

Jukka

10sdude85
06-07-2009, 04:17 PM
yes he had knee issues for the past few years, but right now there is nothing wrong with Rafa, his knees are fine just like he said three weeks ago. I like Nadal, but he was simply caught off guard by soderling and now faces the consequences. He has been at home listening to all the same talk we have about Federer being the greatest of all time if he wins Roland Garros, and now he has to be back in the light with some excuse. Even John McEnroe said," I hope its more the mental recovery than the knee injury". This is PR for you. Now if for some reason Nadal does not defend his Wimbledon title, we know why?

Ray Mercer
06-07-2009, 04:21 PM
Hopefully Rafa is ok and will be fine for Wimbledon. I want to see Federer regain the title from him. A champion should never lose by default.