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Golden Retriever
06-07-2009, 11:58 AM
Soderling can't, Andy Roddick can't, the only one who has a power game and be able to pull it off against Federer seems to be Marat Safin.

mzzmuaa
06-07-2009, 12:00 PM
nalbandian

navratilovafan
06-07-2009, 12:01 PM
It took the 2nd best match of Safin's career on Safina's best surface of the 4 hard court slams to beat Federer in an incredibly close 5 setter. Even then he had to save a match point to avoid a 4 set loss. He ended the match with fewer winners, more errors, and less points won, despite the victory. Safin being able to "overpower Federer" with any regularity, even if he were in his absolute prime which he is far from, is a dubious claim at best.

navratilovafan
06-07-2009, 12:02 PM
Djokovic is your best choice amongst the current players. Second choice could be Del Potro based on his French Open performance. Nalbandian's doesnt beat Federer strictly by overpowering him and cant beat him on anything other than an indoor court anyway (and even then often not). Nalbandian's head to head with Federer since the 2003 Masters Cup is lopsidedly in Federer's favor.

Cesc Fabregas
06-07-2009, 12:02 PM
Del Potro.

navratilovafan
06-07-2009, 12:04 PM
Del Potro.

Del Potro and Djokovic are the top two current candidates to fulfill this particular way of beating Roger IMO.

batz
06-07-2009, 12:05 PM
Overpowering isn't the way to play Fed.

Look to the guys with positive H2H's for the best way to play Roger.

Ballinbob
06-07-2009, 12:05 PM
How about Gulbis or Berdych, those guys can overpower anyone

abmk
06-07-2009, 12:06 PM
Here's one interesting video ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI3rykv2Ft0&feature=channel_page

joeri888
06-07-2009, 12:06 PM
Nobody on a regular basis. Federer just loves power. He works with power. You can defeat Federer with a more defensive game like Murray, Nadal and Simon do.

jmverdugo
06-07-2009, 12:08 PM
Del Potro was actually doing it untill he lost some stamina.

Golden Retriever
06-07-2009, 12:08 PM
Overpowering isn't the way to play Fed.

Look to the two guys with positive H2H's for the best way to play Roger.

I know it is not the best way, probably the worst way. But still overpowering Federer is more fun to watch then watching Nadal messing with his backhand all day.

peter_pan91
06-07-2009, 12:10 PM
Del Potro.

Mmmm? no.. at least not yet

batz
06-07-2009, 12:12 PM
I know it is not the best way, probably the worst way. But still overpowering Federer is more fun to watch then watching Nadal messing with his backhand all day.

More fun to watch if you're a big Roger fan I guess, because the guy just laughs at anyone who tries to power past him. He simply cannot be hurt by that approach. It's like asking 'who can kick superman's *** without using kryptonite'?

navratilovafan
06-07-2009, 12:12 PM
How about Gulbis or Berdych, those guys can overpower anyone

Berdych is owned by Federer, and the only two matches he either won (04 Olympics) or nearly won (08 Australian) Federer was playing horrible for it to happen. He can overpower alot of players, but Federer definitely isnt one of them. Gulbis perhaps, not sure if they have ever played. He couldnt keep it up for long enough to win though, just like anytime he plays a top player. There is a reason that guy cant even stay in the top 50 even with his obvious talent and scary firepower.

Qubax
06-07-2009, 12:13 PM
Gulbis, Gonzo, Djoko

Leublu tennis
06-07-2009, 12:14 PM
Here's one interesting video ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI3rykv2Ft0&feature=channel_page
Thank you so much. Gosh Safin looked good, although the tape selectively shows Roger's best shots.

flying24
06-07-2009, 12:14 PM
Gonzo!?! That is a laugher.

abmk
06-07-2009, 12:19 PM
Thank you so much. Gosh Safin looked good, although the tape selectively shows Roger's best shots.

yeah, that video was meant to showcase fed's best shots :)

You can get the match highlights here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF7Klj8469k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4gSZ1tmCIk

TennisFan481
06-07-2009, 12:19 PM
Ivo Karlovic is the correct answer to this question. He overpowers everyone...you just have to take your chances in the tie breaks.

vegeta SSJ4
06-07-2009, 12:21 PM
loads of people can overpower federer, but you can't beat federer by overpowering.

besides, roddick,gonzalez,gulbis are more powerful than safin

Turning Pro
06-07-2009, 12:22 PM
Del Potro
Nadal
Djokovic
Nalbandian
Berdych

Hell even Acasuso and Haas were overpowering him. A lot of the players just don't have the guts to take out Federer.

luishcorreia
06-07-2009, 01:12 PM
The key to beat Federer is not power. Just check the record Nadal has on him!!!

PS-> Forget about Safin...he's gone.

DoubleDeuce
06-07-2009, 01:23 PM
Cant wait for USO. It's the fastest, and his best surface.

Serendipitous
06-07-2009, 01:24 PM
Juan Martin del Potro....just wait.......

flying24
06-07-2009, 01:25 PM
loads of people can overpower federer, but you can't beat federer by overpowering.

besides, roddick,gonzalez,gulbis are more powerful than safin

Roddick is not powerful at anything except the serve.

All-rounder
06-07-2009, 01:29 PM
Nalbandian comes to mind

Slaz
06-07-2009, 01:33 PM
David Nalbandian is the best answer I think :)

grafrules
06-07-2009, 01:37 PM
Nalbandian is one of the most overrated players on this forum along with Safin. To bring some facts to light Nalbandian is 3-10 vs Federer since November 2003. The way some people talk you would think he owns Federer yet he beats him 22% of the time or something. He hasnt beaten Federer on an outdoor court since August 2003 now. He hardly ever beats Federer other than the early Federer, and never on anything apart from his beloved indoor surface, never mind overpowering him. Those very rare wins he achieves at all he probes alot of errors from Federer, he hits some winners too, but overpowering is not the definition that comes to mind.

It is almost as funny as the talk of people saying Capriati could overpower Steffi Graf, LOL!

The tennis guy
06-07-2009, 01:39 PM
David Nalbandian is the best answer I think :)

Nalbandian overpowers Federer? Do you undertstand what OVERPOWER means?

grafrules
06-07-2009, 01:42 PM
Djokovic on a great day and a flat/poor serving day for Federer can beat him by "overpowering him" I guess (eg-2008 Australian Open semis). Del Potro showed that potential to do that in the French Open semis. I dont think there is anyone else really. Djokovic and Del Potro, period. Others who beat him do it different ways or by fluke with Federer playing poorly (eg- Berdych and Blake Olympic wins).

OliverSimon
06-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Soderling can't, Andy Roddick can't, the only one who has a power game and be able to pull it off against Federer seems to be Marat Safin.

What do you mean Soderling can't? Of course he can. Today was all nerves for him and nothing else. He was in the best physical condition in his career

grafrules
06-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Del Potro
Nadal
Djokovic
Nalbandian
Berdych

Hell even Acasuso and Haas were overpowering him. A lot of the players just don't have the guts to take out Federer.

Haas never overpowers Federer. Heck their French Open match was probably their first match in over 7 years he had more than 50% the winners that Federer did (still less but every other time they play he has half or less).

If Haas didnt play Federer the very day after Nadal went out I suspect he gets creamed as usual.

grafrules
06-07-2009, 01:46 PM
What do you mean Soderling can't? Of course he can. Today was all nerves for him and nothing else. He was in the best physical condition in his career

Soderling was the one getting "overpowered" today if anything (in addition to outmaneuvered, outran, outstrategized). Soderling has played Federer a bunch of times, not just today, and even today having the tournament of his life he couldnt remotedly prove the ability to "overpower" Federer so he belongs nowhere in this topic at this moment.

navratilovafan
06-07-2009, 01:48 PM
David Nalbandian is the best answer I think :)

The best answer to what? The spokesman for Dunkin Donuts.

navratilovafan
06-07-2009, 01:48 PM
Juan Martin del Potro....just wait.......

If Del Potro plays the way he did in the French Open semis vs Federer he will overpower anyone on tour.

Dream_On
06-07-2009, 01:49 PM
Sampras

lol

navratilovafan
06-07-2009, 01:50 PM
Sampras

lol

Best answer of the thread by far. :)

imalil2gangsta4u
06-07-2009, 02:40 PM
Nalbandian, Del Potro maybe

navratilovafan
06-07-2009, 02:40 PM
People are still saying Nalbandian. Some of you are so stupid.

kraggy
06-07-2009, 02:41 PM
Ronnie Coleman.

thalivest
06-07-2009, 02:42 PM
Tsonga on an amazing day maybe could? Obviously not proven yet but an idea. Certainly a better one than some of the failed ones in this thread.

zagor
06-07-2009, 02:44 PM
Safin,Djokovic,Del Potro.

Noveson
06-07-2009, 02:45 PM
Berdych. Too bad he isn't so good.

hoodjem
06-07-2009, 02:49 PM
Nadal at the French 2008: 6-1, 6-3, 6-0? Does that count?

thalivest
06-07-2009, 02:50 PM
Safin,Djokovic,Del Potro.

Safin has been over for over 4 years now. He couldnt overpower Federer if he played with a giant baseball bat today. Replace the washed up nearly retired Safin with someone like Tsonga, Gulbis, or Cilic (or more than 1) and your list is perfect. :)

zagor
06-07-2009, 02:55 PM
Safin has been over for over 4 years now. He couldnt overpower Federer if he played with a giant baseball bat today. Replace the washed up nearly retired Safin with someone like Tsonga, Gulbis, or Cilic (or more than 1) and your list is perfect. :)

But it's hard to ignore Safin because IMO Fed was playing some of his best tennis ever in 2005 AO and Safin still beat him playing power tennis(that was the best match I've seen Fed play and still lose).

But if Safin's out then I'll go with Tsonga if everything's clicking for him that day.

It's hard to overpower Fed anyway,he just has too much variety for big hitters to simply blow him off court.

Aykhan Mammadov
06-07-2009, 03:00 PM
Soderling can't, Andy Roddick can't, the only one who has a power game and be able to pull it off against Federer seems to be Marat Safin.

What do u mean? Yes, Federer lost in AO to Safin once some years ago, but there were some other players to whom he lost. Nadal, e.g. , say Gasquet once defeated him, ... Or do u mean a final of slam ?

mzzmuaa
06-07-2009, 03:18 PM
People are still saying Nalbandian. Some of you are so stupid.

overpower-To subdue someone by superior force; To render imperceptible by means of greater strength, intensity etc
consistently greater depth+speed(overpowering, by my definition) is what sets up the mediocre return from federer that leads to the precise winners.

Even his well-sourced wikipedia playing style mentions his consistent depth+pace+precision: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Nalbandian#Playing_style


If you think Nalbandian can't overpower Federer, then (1)define overpower, (2)disprove that nalbandian is able to overpower fed by your definition in his youtube victories.

dincuss
06-07-2009, 03:49 PM
Gulbis
!)CHAR

:D

mzzmuaa
06-07-2009, 05:26 PM
You are an idiot. Typical moronic fat-assed American.
Good argument
/ignore

NamRanger
06-07-2009, 08:27 PM
Nalbandian never overpowered Federer; he used his crosscourt backhand to gain an advantageous court position, and his excellent return game to take control of the ralley from the beginning. These are the two big reasons why Federer "had" so much trouble with Nalbandian.

mzzmuaa
06-08-2009, 10:50 AM
Nalbandian never overpowered Federer; he used his crosscourt backhand to gain an advantageous court position, and his excellent return game to take control of the ralley from the beginning. These are the two big reasons why Federer "had" so much trouble with Nalbandian.

This is EXACTLY what Safin did to Federer in the 05 AO semi's.
Sharp angles with depth and pace to pull him off the court before hitting a winner, usually with his DTL backhand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4U9bp3I3qk

mzzmuaa
06-08-2009, 10:52 AM
People are still saying Nalbandian. Some of you are so stupid.

keep denying it like an idiot without providing any proof otherwise. if you accept that Safin "overpowered" federer than nalbandian did too.

veroniquem
06-08-2009, 11:00 AM
Nadal of course and Murray can outwit him.

mandy01
06-08-2009, 11:06 AM
Nadal of course and Murray can outwit him. Agressive players.Murray is NOT agressive so cannot 'overpower' Roger and though Nadal is more agressive now he still relies a lot on his retrieving skills(not that there is anything wrong with that)

EtePras
06-08-2009, 11:45 AM
Roddick is not powerful at anything except the serve.

Understatement? Roddick is the least powerful of any pro in everything except the serve is more like it. Santoro was dictating play against him from the baseline, enough said.

grafselesfan
06-08-2009, 01:05 PM
keep denying it like an idiot without providing any proof otherwise. if you accept that Safin "overpowered" federer than nalbandian did too.

You are the idiot if you think Nalbandian plays the same way Safin does.

Joseph L. Barrow
06-08-2009, 03:39 PM
Safin's record against Federer is 2-10. He had one win over a green Roger in 2002, and then the famous Australian Open victory, in which Safin played the match of a lifetime, saved match point and edged Federer out 9-7 in the fifth. Eight of their 12 meetings have been straight-sets wins for Federer. Safin has not had much greater success against Federer than Roddick, or even Soderling, really.