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luckyboy1300
06-12-2009, 03:38 PM
just curious; who has had lost the most sets en route to winning a major title? federer this year lost a total of 6 sets to winning his 1st french crown. while i see it as a lot, i'm pretty sure there are others who lost more. one can lose a total of 14 sets and still win the title (play all his matches as 5 setters).

zagor
06-12-2009, 03:45 PM
Maybe Edberg for 92 USO? I think he played a lot of five setter on his way to the title.

AndrewTas
06-13-2009, 03:19 AM
At the Australian the most lost has been 7.
1959 Olmedo in 5 matches
1975 Newcombe in 6 matches
2002 Johansson in 7 matches

At the French the most is 10
1934 Von Cramm lost 10 sets in 6 matches

Also 4 players lost 8
1946 Bernard in 6 matches
1962 Laver in 6 matches
1974 Borg in 7 matches
1997 Kuerten in 7 matches

At Wimbledon 2 players lost 8 sets
1949 Schroeder in 7 matches
1985 Becker in 7 matches

Also at Wimbledon 7 players lost 7 sets (1896 Mahoney, 1927 Cochet, 1928 Lacoste, 1958 Cooper, 1974 Connors, 1988 Edberg and 2001 Ivanisevic)

Finally at the US Wrenn lost 10 sets from 7 matches to win in 1896. Three players lost 7 sets on their way to victory.

1930 Doeg in 6 matches
1972 Nastase in 7 matches
1992 Edberg in 7 matches

So to answer the question the most sets lost on the way to victory at a major is 10 by Von Cramm and Wrenn.

Q&M son
06-15-2009, 12:58 PM
At the Australian the most lost has been 7.
1959 Olmedo in 5 matches
1975 Newcombe in 6 matches
2002 Johansson in 7 matches

At the French the most is 10
1934 Von Cramm lost 10 sets in 6 matches

Also 4 players lost 8
1946 Bernard in 6 matches
1962 Laver in 6 matches
1974 Borg in 7 matches
1997 Kuerten in 7 matches

At Wimbledon 2 players lost 8 sets
1949 Schroeder in 7 matches
1985 Becker in 7 matches

Also at Wimbledon 7 players lost 7 sets (1896 Mahoney, 1927 Cochet, 1928 Lacoste, 1958 Cooper, 1974 Connors, 1988 Edberg and 2001 Ivanisevic)

Finally at the US Wrenn lost 10 sets from 7 matches to win in 1896. Three players lost 7 sets on their way to victory.

1930 Doeg in 6 matches
1972 Nastase in 7 matches
1992 Edberg in 7 matches

So to answer the question the most sets lost on the way to victory at a major is 10 by Von Cramm and Wrenn.

Thanks Andrew, fine post again.

AndrewTas
06-17-2009, 12:07 AM
Another way at looking at how dominate a player was during winning a major is the amount of games won and lost in the tournament. Here is a look over all the majors.

At the Australian.
Best ever record: 1909 Wilding Played 4 matches,
Games Won 73, Lost 11 for a % of 86.90

In the Open Era: 2003 Agassi (4th overall) Played 7 matches
Games Won 121, Lost 48 for a % of 71.60

Next best in Open Era: 1995 Agassi (10th overall) Played 7 matches
Games Won 129, Lost 61 for a % of 67.89

Worst in Open Era: 1975 Newcombe (2nd Worst) Played 6 matches
Games Won 145, Lost 115 for a % of 55.77

Worst Ever: 1954 Rose Played 5 matches
Games Won 112, Lost 91 for a % of 55.17


At the French.
Best ever record: 1978 Borg Played 7 matches,
Games Won 127, Lost 32 for a % of 79.87

Next best in Open Era: 1980 Borg (2nd overall) Played 7 matches
Games Won 126, Lost 38 for a % of 76.83

3rd best in Open Era: 2008 Nadal (3rd overall) Played 7 matches
Games Won 128, Lost 41 for a % of 75.74

Worst in Open Era: 1999 Agassi (5th Worst) Played 7 matches
Games Won 151, Lost 113 for a % of 57.20
(Federer 2009 victory was the 7th worst ever with a win-loss % of 58.43)

Worst Ever: 1950 Patty Played 7 matches
Games Won 145, Lost 112 for a % of 56.42


At Wimbledon.
Best ever record: 1947 Kramer Played 7 matches,
Games Won 130, Lost 37 for a % of 77.84

In the Open Era: 1984 McEnroe (15th overall) Played 7 matches
Games Won 134, Lost 63 for a % of 68.02

Next best in Open Era: 2006 Federer (18th overall) Played 7 matches
Games Won 135, Lost 68 for a % of 66.50

Worst in Open Era: 2001 Ivanisevic (4th Worst overall but worst ever playing more than 1 match) Played 7 matches
Games Won 160, Lost 139 for a % of 53.51

Worst Ever: 1911 Wilding Played 1 match (Challenge Round)
Games Won 18, Lost 18 for a % of 50.00


At the US.
Best ever record: 1883 Sears Played 4 matches,
Games Won 57, Lost 16 for a % of 78.08

In the Open Era: 1977 Vilas (8th overall) Played 7 matches
Games Won 106, Lost 41 for a % of 72.11
(There were 4 best of 3 sets involved in the tournament)

Next best in Open Era: 1987 Lendl (19th overall) Played 7 matches
Games Won 134, Lost 59 for a % of 69.43

Worst in Open Era: 2000 Safin (5th Worst, 2nd worst playing more than 1 match) Played 7 matches
Games Won 153, Lost 120 for a % of 56.04

Worst Ever: 1897 Wrenn Played 1 match (Challenge Round)
Games Won 26, Lost 23 for a % of 53.06


The stats just show how players like Agassi (Australian), Borg (French) and McEnroe (Wimbledon) dominated the tournament during some of their victorious years while players such as Safin and Ivanisevic did it the hard way.

Borgforever
06-17-2009, 12:44 AM
Great post Andrew as usual.

Adding nit-pickings:

Borg at Wimbledon 1976:
133 games won 70 (203) games lost for a 65.52% winning percentage AND Borg didn't lose any sets which Fed (2006) and Mac (1984) did.

Compare with Federer's 2006 135-68 (203) for a 66.50% and McEnroe's 1984 134-63 (197) for a 68.02%. Very, very close between Borg, Mac and Federer. Remember a lot of people mention Mac and Fed on this turf sadly omitting a stronger perf in many ways...

And for greatest USO perf in this case I would choose Laurie Doherty's blow-out win in 1903 -- the field was stronger and he played a full seven matches which is -- let's face it -- a little tougher than four in 1880s.

Laurie Doherty 1903
130-44 (174) for a 74.71 % winning percentage...

And I don't think Dick Sears is a viable option since I think the US Nationals then (USO) in the early 1880s wasn't an "Open" tourney...

luckyboy1300
06-17-2009, 06:19 AM
thanks for the responses guys, especially AndrewTas for your invaluable info. another question, is borg the player who won the most majors without losing a set? he seemed to have won a couple at the french and wimby.

Borgforever
06-17-2009, 06:29 AM
thanks for the responses guys, especially AndrewTas for your invaluable info. another question, is borg the player who won the most majors without losing a set? he seemed to have won a couple at the french and wimby.

Yes -- that's correct...