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P_Agony
06-19-2009, 04:03 AM
I think Fed got the toughest draw this time around.

Tsonga, Verdasco, Soderling, plus guys like Karlovic who are always a threat on grass. For me it's:

1) Federer
2) Djokovic
3) Nadal
4) Murray

MichaelChang
06-19-2009, 04:06 AM
Nadal. Hewitt 2nd round, Roddick in quarter final, Murray semi, and Federer in final, together with the un-bentable knee. :) Forget about it.

CountryHillbilly
06-19-2009, 04:09 AM
I think Fed got the toughest draw this time around.

Tsonga, Verdasco, Soderling, plus guys like Karlovic who are always a threat on grass. For me it's:

1) Federer
2) Djokovic
3) Nadal
4) Murray

Murray has by far the easiest draw, the rest is just hair-splitting.

SikSerb
06-19-2009, 04:09 AM
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray

Murray has a cake walk and i'd be laughing if he doesnt reach the SF.

Enigma_87
06-19-2009, 04:11 AM
1.Federer
2.Djokovic
3.Murray
4.Nadal

kOaMaster
06-19-2009, 04:13 AM
I just voted for nadal, but I think I do not really think of a toughest draw for anyone at all. the one goes through all seven games successfully will win.

shadows
06-19-2009, 04:15 AM
Fed
Djokovic
Nadal
Murray

The wimbledon sites pic to illustrate the mens draw seems quite fitting

http://i42.tinypic.com/33nvlo1.jpg

SikSerb
06-19-2009, 04:17 AM
Fed
Djokovic
Nadal
Murray

The wimbledon sites pic to illustrate the mens draw seems quite fitting

http://i42.tinypic.com/33nvlo1.jpg

LOL banana skins.

flyer
06-19-2009, 04:19 AM
I think Fed got the toughest draw this time around.

Tsonga, Verdasco, Soderling, plus guys like Karlovic who are always a threat on grass. For me it's:

1) Federer
2) Djokovic
3) Nadal
4) Murray

those guys really have only done QF i think at wimbledon before at best...

im not saying federer never gets a tough draw but this is as good a draw as anyone could imagine for him

nadal gets a former champion in the second round, two time finalist in the QF, and many peoples favorite andy murray in the SF

joeri888
06-19-2009, 04:20 AM
1) Djokovic
2) Nadal
3) Federer
4) Murray

gj011
06-19-2009, 04:21 AM
1. Nadal
2. Djokovic
3. Federer
4. Murray

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 04:26 AM
those guys really have only done QF i think at wimbledon before at best...

im not saying federer never gets a tough draw but this is as good a draw as anyone could imagine for him

nadal gets a former champion in the second round, two time finalist in the QF, and many peoples favorite andy murray in the SF

Nadal meets someone who won only 5 games from him in their last meeting in a major. If Nadal is 100%, Hewitt cannot beat him. And no, that exhibition does not count.

Roddick is tough, I agree, but Soderling is on fire at the moment (plus he was the one to take Nadal to 5 here aside of Fed if your remember). Tsonga's game is really suited for grass IMO.

iriraz
06-19-2009, 04:28 AM
Nadal meets someone who won only 5 games from him in their last meeting in a major. If Nadal is 100%, Hewitt cannot beat him. And no, that exhibition does not count.

Roddick is tough, I agree, but Soderling is on fire at the moment (plus he was the one to take Nadal to 5 here aside of Fed if your remember). Tsonga's game is really suited for grass IMO.

Even if Nadal would be 100% on grass against Hewitt it wouldn`t be the easiest match anyways.It`s not a guaranteed straight sets win for Nadal even if he would play his best on this surface.

thalivest
06-19-2009, 04:31 AM
Federer has the easiest draw. Soderling is a good player but is not a tough opponent for him period. Verdasco sucks on grass and is likewise an easy opponent for Roger. Tsonga is a hard court specialist at this point and not the kind of player Roger has trouble with. Roger has Djokovic in his half who is no threat to him on grass especialy in current form, instead of Murray who is a potential threat, and of all the quarterfinal seeds Verdasco on grass is by far the easiest.

The toughest draw is Nadal overall probably.

Speranza
06-19-2009, 04:36 AM
The toughest draw is Nadal overall probably.

Sorry, would have to disagree - for the reasons many have stated above, all 3 of the others have it tougher.

Speranza
06-19-2009, 04:37 AM
Ignore that last post, thought you said Murray, not Nadal. Sorry.

effervescence
06-19-2009, 04:46 AM
1. Federer
2. Djokovic
3. Nadal
4. Murray

More dangerous possible opponents in the bottom half of the draw, IMO.

joeri888
06-19-2009, 04:46 AM
Federer has the easiest draw. Soderling is a good player but is not a tough opponent for him period. Verdasco sucks on grass and is likewise an easy opponent for Roger. Tsonga is a hard court specialist at this point and not the kind of player Roger has trouble with. Roger has Djokovic in his half who is no threat to him on grass especialy in current form, instead of Murray who is a potential threat, and of all the quarterfinal seeds Verdasco on grass is by far the easiest.

The toughest draw is Nadal overall probably.

If you look at matchups, I think the only thing that defines the draw being tough or easy for Roger is whether Murray's in his half. The fact that guys like Wawrinka, Ferrer, Verdasco, Soderling, Blake, Roddick, Robredo, Gonzales, Tsonga, Ljubicic, Del Potro, are easy opponents for him has nothing to do with the draw, but with Federer. You should look at, would he want to swap places with Rafa, Novak or Murray? I agree with you that Fed's draw isn't hard, but I disagree with your argumentation.

thalivest
06-19-2009, 04:49 AM
If you look at matchups, I think the only thing that defines the draw being tough or easy for Roger is whether Murray's in his half. The fact that guys like Wawrinka, Ferrer, Verdasco, Soderling, Blake, Roddick, Robredo, Gonzales, Tsonga, Ljubicic, Del Potro, are easy opponents for him has nothing to do with the draw, but with Federer. You should look at, would he want to swap places with Rafa, Novak or Murray? I agree with you that Fed's draw isn't hard, but I disagree with your argumentation.

I guess what I mean is the style of opponent and their surface preferences is what makes it an easier draw for Federer. It is guys who are easy opponents for him and who arent grass courters, even though they are very good players. I agree for Nadal that Federer's draw would be a very tough draw since that is the style of player Nadal has lots of challenge with on non-clay surfaces.

CountryHillbilly
06-19-2009, 04:52 AM
The toughest draw is Nadal overall probably.

Who does Nadal have before semis? Hewitt is not a threat anymore, and Roddick has an injury right now. Maybe he can complain that he has Murray instead of Joker in the semis, but until the semis its easy for him. Fed and Djokovic have it tougher.

vtmike
06-19-2009, 04:54 AM
Who does Nadal have before semis? Hewitt is not a threat anymore, and Roddick has an injury right now. Maybe he can complain that he has Murray instead of Joker in the semis, but until the semis its easy for him. Fed and Djokovic have it tougher.

Agreed until the semis Fed has tougher competition...

CountryHillbilly
06-19-2009, 05:01 AM
Agreed until the semis Fed has tougher competition...
Yeah... that's about it

thalivest
06-19-2009, 05:02 AM
Who does Nadal have before semis? Hewitt is not a threat anymore, and Roddick has an injury right now. Maybe he can complain that he has Murray instead of Joker in the semis, but until the semis its easy for him. Fed and Djokovic have it tougher.

Roddick is by far the toughest quarterfinal seed 5-8. I mean come on, you know he is a way bigger threat on grass than Del Potro or Verdsasco. I dont think his injury is anything serious, we have heard nothing about it since and he sounds very positive for Wimbledon. Hewitt spanked Nadal in an exhibition match recently, grass is the one surface he can still be a semi threat on. He is was an easy 3rd round for Nadal at the French, but here he is a tough 2nd round. Tursunov is a very hard 3rd round for Nadal. Another hard flat hitter.

CountryHillbilly
06-19-2009, 05:06 AM
Roddick is by far the toughest quarterfinal seed 5-8. I mean come on, you know he is a way bigger threat on grass than Del Potro or Verdsasco. I dont think his injury is anything serious, we have heard nothing about it since and he sounds very positive for Wimbledon. Hewitt spanked Nadal in an exhibition match recently, grass is the one surface he can still be a semi threat on. He is was an easy 3rd round for Nadal at the French, but here he is a tough 2nd round.

Roddick lost to Tipsa last year. Hewitt won exhibition match but apart from that hasnt accomplished much recently anywhere. The fact that he won it long ago has no significance right now. Nadal has a tougher draw than Murray, but definitely not the toughest. Having DelPo in one's half must count for something.

thalivest
06-19-2009, 05:08 AM
Roddick lost to Tipsa last year. Hewitt won exhibition match but apart from that hasnt accomplished much recently anywhere. The fact that he won it long ago has no significance right now. Nadal has a tougher draw than Murray, but definitely not the toughest. Having DelPo in one's half must count for something.

What has DelPo ever done on grass?

CountryHillbilly
06-19-2009, 05:08 AM
@thalivest

Agreed, if Roddick is 100%, then he is at least equal to DelPo.

CountryHillbilly
06-19-2009, 05:10 AM
What has DelPo ever done on grass?

Well, DelPo wasnt much good this time last year on any surface, but since then he has improved a lot on all surfaces. So he'll probably improve on grass. Asking what hes done on grass is just silly. He was just young for last Wimbledon.

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 05:13 AM
What has DelPo ever done on grass?

I agree he's done nothing, but Delpo today is a different player. He's improving, and fast. His serve also became a real weapon (And it used to be a so-so serve). That should help him a lot.

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2009, 05:17 AM
I agree he's done nothing, but Delpo today is a different player. He's improving, and fast. His serve also became a real weapon (And it used to be a so-so serve). That should help him a lot.

Del Potro's baseline game means grass we also be his worst surface like
Agassi
Nalbandian
Djokovic
Davydenko
Basically baseliners who take the ball on the rise we always find grass as there worst surface. Roddick is much more a threat at Wimbledon that Del Potro.

Jchurch
06-19-2009, 05:20 AM
1.Federer
2.Djokovic
3.Murray
4.Nadal

Winners or Errors
06-19-2009, 05:21 AM
Del Potro's baseline game means grass we also be his worst surface like
Agassi
Nalbandian
Djokovic
Davydenko
Basically baseliners who take the ball on the rise we always find grass as there worst surface. Roddick is much more a threat at Wimbledon that Del Potro.

I know grass was his worst surface, but didn't Agassi win Wimbledon?

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2009, 05:22 AM
I know grass was his worst surface, but didn't Agassi win Wimbledon?

Grass was Agassi's worst surface but he was still very good on it.

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 05:25 AM
Del Potro's baseline game means grass we also be his worst surface like
Agassi
Nalbandian
Djokovic
Davydenko
Basically baseliners who take the ball on the rise we always find grass as there worst surface. Roddick is much more a threat at Wimbledon that Del Potro.

How do you explain Fed's success then? He takes the ball VERY early.

sp00q
06-19-2009, 05:26 AM
Federer, obviously. After the first rounds, he could bump into Kohlschreiber, Serra, Lopez, Karlovic, Soderling, Tsonga, Mahut. All of them a threat on grass.

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2009, 05:27 AM
How do you explain Fed's success then? He takes the ball VERY early.

Federer has a all court game the other's on that list don't, Federer has a better serve and Federer has a effective slice he can keep the ball low.

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 05:29 AM
Federer has a all court game the other's on that list don't, Federer has a better serve and Federer has a effective slice he can keep the ball low.

Didn't Nalbandian reach the Wimbeldon final once?

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2009, 05:31 AM
Didn't Nalbandian reach the Wimbeldon final once?

Total fluke it was the worst Wimbledon in history he played Malisse in the semis for god's sake.

luckyboy1300
06-19-2009, 05:33 AM
Del Potro's baseline game means grass we also be his worst surface like
Agassi
Nalbandian
Djokovic
Davydenko
Basically baseliners who take the ball on the rise we always find grass as there worst surface. Roddick is much more a threat at Wimbledon that Del Potro.

soderling's worst surface is clay yet he was able to dethrone the king of clay in his kingdom court. i expect delpo to make some noise in wimbledon. his big serve had been impressive at the fo and will become more of a weapon on grass. if delpo can play his fo form then he should be a threat.

thalivest
06-19-2009, 05:35 AM
Didn't Nalbandian reach the Wimbeldon final once?

Huge fluke. Worst mens Wimbledon ever with a Malisse-Nalbandian semifinal, and quarterfinals like Kratochvil, Schalken, Lapentti, as well. Nalbandian should have still lost in the 4th round to Wayne Arthurs but Arthurs choked with a wide open draw to the final that year. Quarters he took 5 sets to beat Lapentti. Semis he should have lost Malisse but Malisse was choking so badly the match had to be stopped for his heart problems, and David still took 5 to win. Hewitt made mincemeat of him in the final. He wasnt even prime Nalbandian yet. In future years he became a much better player and a major threat on hard courts and even clay, yet never made it past the 4th round of Wimbledon again. That says enough. It is by far his worst surface, and Djokovic beat him with a bagel and a breadstick on grass last year.

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 05:35 AM
Total fluke it was the worst Wimbledon in history he played Malisse in the semis for god's sake.

But it's still a final on grass. He still had to win 6 matches to get there. I agree the guys you mentioned probaly hate playing on the grass, but it's not like they didn't have any success. Djokovic reached a SF in 2007, and was stopped by Nadal, who almost won the whole thing. Agassi won Wimbeldon, so that makes him at the very least a good grass court player.

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 05:37 AM
Huge fluke. Worst mens Wimbledon ever with a Malisse-Nalbandian semifinal, and quarterfinals like Kratochvil, Schalken, Lapentti, as well. Nalbandian should have still lost in the 4th round to Wayne Arthurs but Arthurs choked with a wide open draw to the final that year. Quarters he took 5 sets to beat Lapentti. Semis he should have lost Malisse but Malisse was choking so badly the match had to be stopped for his heart problems, and David still took 5 to win. Hewitt made mincemeat of him in the final. He wasnt even prime Nalbandian yet. In future years he became a much better player and a major threat on hard courts and even clay, yet never made it past the 4th round of Wimbledon again. That says enough. It is by far his worst surface, and Djokovic beat him with a bagel and a breadstick on grass last year.

Like I said, a fluke or not, a GS final is still a good result. I agree Nalby's not good on grass as he is on other surfaces, but that doesn't mean he can't play on grass.

I expect Del Potro to reach the QF this year at Wimbeldon. Don't forget he was stopped (I think in 2007 or 2006) by Federer - the eventual champion.

JLyon
06-19-2009, 05:41 AM
Interesting draw for sure.
Nadal if he plays has Hewitt, Roddick, Stepanek, Murray. Also a semi dangerous veteran in Clement 1st Round.

Also am I crazy or could Santoro do some damage and make Final 16?? or even QTR with Blake, Gonzalez, Ferrero, Kiefer blocking his way?

All-rounder
06-19-2009, 05:42 AM
Can someone give me the breakdown of federer's draw

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 05:44 AM
Can someone give me the breakdown of federer's draw

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=268837

gj011
06-19-2009, 05:46 AM
Can someone give me the breakdown of federer's draw

Is it so hard to go on Wimbledon site and check it yourself?

AAAA
06-19-2009, 05:46 AM
Haas almost had Federer in the FO, went on to win Halle so he's in great form atm plus he's in the Federer's half in Djokovic's quarter so a possible semi-final against Federer.

gj011
06-19-2009, 05:49 AM
Nadal's draw is the hardest, than Novak's.

Federer again has an easy draw, but Murray's draw is complete joke.

And of course Federer and Murray are in opposite sides.

You can't help but wonder after seeing this.

Dutch-Guy
06-19-2009, 05:50 AM
Can someone give me the breakdown of federer's draw

Fed's draw:

Lu R1
Calleri R2
Kohlschreiber R3
Soderling R4
Verdasco QF
Djokovic Semis

All-rounder
06-19-2009, 05:53 AM
Is it so hard to go on Wimbledon site and check it yourself?
My internet has been playing up so i can't access it right now for some strange reason#

Why do you care?

gj011
06-19-2009, 05:54 AM
My internet has been playing up so i can't access it right now for some strange reason#

Why do you care?

Here:
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=268837

Dutch-Guy
06-19-2009, 05:57 AM
My internet has been playing up so i can't access it right now for some strange reason#

Why do you care?

Here you go.Potential road to the final:

Nadal:
R1: Clement
R2: Hewitt/Ginepri
R3: Tursunov/Zverev/Petzschner
R4: Stepanek/Ferrer or another mug
QF: Roddick/Davydenko/Berdych//Dimitrov/Bogdanovic
SF: Murray
F: Federer

Federer:
R1: Lu
R2: Garcia-Lopez/Calleri
R3: Kohlschreiber/Serra/Minar
R4: Soderling/Lalo/Baghdatis/Muller
QF: Tsonga/Verdasco/Karlovic
SF: Djokovic/Haas/Del Potro
F: Nadal/Murray

Murray:
R1: Kendrick
R2: Gulbis
R3: Dent/Troicki
R4: Safin/Rochus/Wawrinka
QF: pretty open, anything from Gonzalez/Blake/Kiefer/Simon/Lapentti/Ferrero
SF: Nadal
F: Federer

Djokovic:
R1: Benneteau
R2: Yani/Greul
R3: Fish/Tipsarevic
R4: Schuettler/Robredo/another mug
QF: Del Potro/Haas/Ljubicic/Cilic
SF: Federer
F: Nadal/Murray

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 05:59 AM
Here you go.Potential road to the final:

Nadal:
R1: Clement
R2: Hewitt/Ginepri
R3: Tursunov/Zverev/Petzschner
R4: Stepanek/Ferrer or another mug
QF: Roddick/Davydenko/Berdych//Dimitrov/Bogdanovic
SF: Murray
F: Federer

Federer:
R1: Lu
R2: Garcia-Lopez/Calleri
R3: Kohlschreiber/Serra/Minar
R4: Soderling/Lalo/Baghdatis/Muller
QF: Tsonga/Verdasco/Karlovic
SF: Djokovic/Haas/Del Potro
F: Nadal/Murray

Murray:
R1: Kendrick
R2: Gulbis
R3: Dent/Troicki
R4: Safin/Rochus/Wawrinka
QF: pretty open, anything from Gonzalez/Blake/Kiefer/Simon/Lapentti/Ferrero
SF: Nadal
F: Federer

Djokovic:
R1: Benneteau
R2: Yani/Greul
R3: Fish/Tipsarevic
R4: Schuettler/Robredo/another mug
QF: Del Potro/Haas/Ljubicic/Cilic
SF: Federer
F: Nadal/Murray

That's a good summary of the draw. Thanks Dutch-Guy :)

Sentinel
06-19-2009, 06:04 AM
OMG ! Anyone noticed gj011's location!!!

Location: Back from prison

icedevil0289
06-19-2009, 06:05 AM
Haas has been playing well lately and he just won Halle. He was able to take federer to 5 sets on clay, so who knows what might happen at Wimbly. I think it's really hard to judge what might happen because on paper it might look easy or hard, but it might turn out to be the actual opposite on court.

gj011
06-19-2009, 06:09 AM
OMG ! Anyone noticed gj011's location!!!

That is better place to be than The Rings of Saturn. ;)

GPG
06-19-2009, 06:09 AM
1. Federer
2. Nadal
3. Djokovic
4. Murray

Murray has a cake walk and i'd be laughing if he doesnt reach the SF.

Murray won't, he'll lose in QF to Feņa again

cknobman
06-19-2009, 06:14 AM
What a surprise that Murray gets a cakewalk. The brits are gonna kneecap anyone that gets in his way.

Dutch-Guy
06-19-2009, 06:15 AM
That's a good summary of the draw. Thanks Dutch-Guy :)

You're welcome man.All this back and forth bickering about the "toughest" and "easiet" draw 'll never end.Tough or easy these players have to perform to get through.

batz
06-19-2009, 06:17 AM
Murray won't, he'll lose in QF to Feņa again

Only if someone has replaced the centre-court turf with green clay and nobody notices.

jamesblakefan#1
06-19-2009, 06:20 AM
You're welcome man.All this back and forth bickering about the "toughest" and "easiet" draw 'll never end.Tough or easy these players have to perform to get through.

I think that's all that matters, in the end. A guy could come out and play the match of his life and knock out anybody, as Soderling proved at RG.

LetFirstServe
06-19-2009, 06:21 AM
Clement and Hewitt will be an interesting match in the second round. How knows which of them will get to Roddick. :)

Dutch-Guy
06-19-2009, 06:24 AM
Clement and Hewitt will be an interesting match in the second round. How knows which of them will get to Roddick. :)
Rafa is still in the race,isn't he?

LetFirstServe
06-19-2009, 06:28 AM
Rafa is still in the race,isn't he?

If he is, he has to pretty much run over Clement. I think his first round performance will be key. If he loses more than 3 sets in the first 2 rounds I doubt he would get to the QF

gj011
06-19-2009, 06:29 AM
Only if someone has replaced the centre-court turf with green clay and nobody notices.

I thought that has already been done.

malakas
06-19-2009, 06:30 AM
who cares?Leave it already!:roll: Here we go with the fighting once again..

jamesblakefan#1
06-19-2009, 06:30 AM
Delete post...

Dutch-Guy
06-19-2009, 06:37 AM
If he is, he has to pretty much run over Clement. I think his first round performance will be key. If he loses more than 3 sets in the first 2 rounds I doubt he would get to the QF

What are Clement's credentials on grass?

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 06:40 AM
who cares?Leave it already!:roll: Here we go with the fighting once again..

Hmm...I wouldn't call it fighting. This thread so far is fighting-free.

fps
06-19-2009, 06:41 AM
What are Clement's credentials on grass?

Wimbledon 1/4 finals last year

malakas
06-19-2009, 06:48 AM
Hmm...I wouldn't call it fighting. This thread so far is fighting-free.

every slam the same.Who cares in the end?What matters if we compare draws?Will the slam count more or less?Yes so far...from long experience I don't see this lasting long..:rolleyes:

batz
06-19-2009, 06:52 AM
Murray has the easiest draw - not surprising really. I heard The Queen chose it herself a few weeks ago and passed it on to the Illuminati for safekeeping until such time as they could deliver it to Mi5 for onward transmission to the referee's office @ SW19.

zagor
06-19-2009, 06:52 AM
I voted Fed just for the heck of it but I don't really give a damn who has the toughest draw.Many thought Soderling was easy draw for Nadal(since Nadal beat him 6-1 6-0 in Rome) and Delpo and Haas easy draw for Fed and we saw what happened,that's why they actually go out and play the matches.

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 06:53 AM
every slam the same.Who cares in the end?What matters if we compare draws?Will the slam count more or less?Yes so far...from long experience I don't see this lasting long..:rolleyes:

Nothing wrong with comparing draws and deciding who has the toughest road to the final.

Plus, as a Fed fan I remember Fed was bashed before the FO for his "joke" draw, so this time when he gets the toughest draw I want to say that.

gj011
06-19-2009, 06:57 AM
Federer does not have the toughest draw.
Federer's draw second easiest after Murray's.

catskillthunder
06-19-2009, 06:57 AM
I think Fed has it toughest with Rafa's draw coming in 2nd only because of the "knee" issues. If it wasnt for the knee thing, I wouldnt say Rafa at all. Fed on the other hand....

Tsonga, Verdasco, Soderling, Karlovic = not a cakewalk.

checkmilu
06-19-2009, 06:58 AM
The lower seed should always have the toughest draw. So it's toughest for Djoko, then Murray, Fed and Nadal.

maximo
06-19-2009, 06:59 AM
Thank god the Wimbledon organizers gave an easy draw to Murray, unlike other slams...

vtmike
06-19-2009, 07:04 AM
Thank god the Wimbledon organizers gave an easy draw to Murray, unlike other slams...

Hes going to lose to the better player (i.e. Nadal) once he reaches the semi final though...If you're happy with a semi-final then good for you...

zagor
06-19-2009, 07:04 AM
Federer does not have the toughest draw.
Federer's draw second easiest after Murray's.

So you would trade's Djokovic's draw with Fed who has Kohlschreiber and Tsonga? Good to know.

vtmike
06-19-2009, 07:06 AM
So you would trade's Djokovic's draw with Fed who has Kohlschreiber and Tsonga? Good to know.

Wasn't Kohlschreiber the one who beat Djokovic at RG in straight sets?

batz
06-19-2009, 07:07 AM
Hes going to lose to the better player (i.e. Nadal) once he reaches the semi final though...If you're happy with a semi-final then good for you...

You think? He didn't lose the last time they met in a slam.

zagor
06-19-2009, 07:08 AM
Wasn't Kohlschreiber the one who beat Djokovic at RG in straight sets?

Correct 10 chars

vtmike
06-19-2009, 07:09 AM
You think? He didn't lose the last time they met in a slam.

We all know how good Nadal is on the USO courts...and how consistent he has been at Wimbledon for the last three years...

gj011
06-19-2009, 07:10 AM
So you would trade's Djokovic's draw with Fed who has Kohlschreiber and Tsonga? Good to know.

Of course. This is not clay.

I would trade Haas, Cilic and Del Potro for Kohlschreiber, Tsonga and Verdasco on grass.

batz
06-19-2009, 07:12 AM
We all know how good Nadal is on the USO courts...and how consistent he has been at Wimbledon for the last three years...


And we all know that what happened in the past allows us to make absolutist statements about will happen in the future - right? Because if Murray hasn't beaten Rafa on grass then he can't beat Rafa on grass - have I got that right too?

vtmike
06-19-2009, 07:12 AM
Of course. This is not clay.

I would trade Haas, Cilic and Del Potro for Kohlschreiber, Tsonga and Verdasco on grass.

So Kohlschreiber is a clay court specialist now? Good to know...

thalivest
06-19-2009, 07:13 AM
Of course. This is not clay.

I would trade Haas, Cilic and Del Potro for Kohlschreiber, Tsonga and Verdasco on grass.

So now Tsonga is a clay court specialist and Del Potro a grass court master. ROTFL! I missed your comedy without even trying on these boards.

abmk
06-19-2009, 07:14 AM
So Kohlschreiber is a clay court specialist now? Good to know...

and del potro on grass is tough ( for novak) while del potro on clay is easy ( for federer ) :roll:

gj011
06-19-2009, 07:14 AM
So Kohlschreiber is a clay court specialist now? Good to know...

He has better results on clay and slower surfaces than grass and faster ones. He is usualy out of Wimbledon in the 1st round with one exception.

vtmike
06-19-2009, 07:14 AM
And we all know that what happened in the past allows us to make absolutist statements about will happen in the future - right? Becasue if Murray hasn't beaten Rafa on grass then he can't beat Rafa on grass - have I got that right too?

LOL You just made an absolute statements based on a past result yourself...

Yep, just like the last time they met in a slam. Oh, wait...

You think? He didn't lose the last time they met in a slam.

Nadal has been in the final for three years in a row and won it the last year...What is your basis for saying Murray will Nadal?

thalivest
06-19-2009, 07:16 AM
and del potro on grass is tough ( for novak) while del potro on clay is easy ( for federer ) :roll:

Yep that Del Potro sure sucks on clay, but is a demon on grass. :)

vtmike
06-19-2009, 07:16 AM
He has better results on clay and slower surfaces than grass and faster ones. He is usualy out of Wimbledon in the 1st round with one exception.

How? He has reached the 4R in both the AO & FO...He has reached the QF in both Monte Carlo Masters & Cincinnati Masters...

gj011
06-19-2009, 07:18 AM
So now Tsonga is a clay court specialist and Del Potro a grass court master. ROTFL! I missed your comedy without even trying on these boards.

Tsonga did nothing on grass so far, so why is he tougher than DelPotro.

gj011
06-19-2009, 07:19 AM
How? He has reached the 4R in both the AO & FO...He has reached the QF in both Monte Carlo Masters & Cincinnati Masters...

You just confirmed what I said.

batz
06-19-2009, 07:20 AM
LOL You just made an absolute statements based on a past result yourself...



Nadal has been in the final for three years in a row and won it the last year...What is your basis for saying Murray will Nadal?

I'm not saying Murray will beat Nadal. I'm saying Murray can beat Nadal. Nor have I made an abosolutist statement that I'm aware of.

You on the other hand said Murray will lose to Rafa. Which is fair enough if you're really that certain, but such certainty seems a bit of a stretch to me.

vtmike
06-19-2009, 07:21 AM
You just confirmed what I said.

LOL You can see whatever you want to see...So who are the tough players in Djokovic's draw?

DelPotro hasn't proved himself on grass yet, who else amongst these?

Juan Martin Del Potro ARG (5) v Andreas Seppi ITA
Adrian Mannarino FRA v Marc Gicquel FRA
Paul Capdeville CHI v Vincent Spadea USA
Evgeny Korolev RUS v Igor Andreev RUS (29)

Tommy Haas GER (24) v Alexander Peya AUT
Michael Llodra FRA v Joshua Goodall GBR
Sam Querrey USA v Ivan Ljubicic CRO
Alberto Martin ESP v Marin Cilic CRO (11)

Tommy Robredo ESP (15) v Luka Gregorc SLO
Edouard Roger-Vasselin FRA v Stefan Koubek AUT
Dudi Sela ISR v Santiago Gonzalez MEX
Xavier Malisse BEL v Rainer Schuettler GER (18

Mardy Fish USA (28 v Sergio Roitman ARG
Jan Hernych CZE v Janko Tipsarevic SRB
Simon Greul GER v Michael Yani USA
Julien Benneteau FRA v Novak Djokovic SRB (4)

vtmike
06-19-2009, 07:27 AM
I'm not saying Murray will beat Nadal. I'm saying Murray can beat Nadal. Nor have I made an abosolutist statement that I'm aware of.

You on the other hand said Murray will lose to Rafa. Which is fair enough if you're really that certain, but such certainty seems a bit of a stretch to me.

Nope...Ofcourse nothing is certain...Murray has a chance but I meant that Nadal will be the favourite if they meet in the semis based on how consistent Nadal has been there...and no I don't buy into uncle Phony's overblown Nadal injury scare...

thalivest
06-19-2009, 07:27 AM
Tsonga did nothing on grass so far, so why is he tougher than DelPotro.

He made the 4th round at only 1 of his 2 appearances at Wimbledon so far. Anyway since it seems you are comparing Federer and Djokovic draws here, there is no doubt Tsonga is a nightmarish lower ranked opponent for Djokovic given his 4-2 head to head vs him. Del Potro is an easy opponent for Djokovic in the past. Tsonga hasnt played Federer that I know of, and Del Potro has likewise been an easy opponent for Federer in the past except on clay.

batz
06-19-2009, 07:32 AM
Nope...Ofcourse nothing is certain...Murray has a chance but I meant that Nadal will be the favourite if they meet in the semis based on how consistent Nadal has been there...and no I don't buy into uncle Phony's overblown Nadal injury scare...

I'd see Rafa as the favourite too if they met in the semis - but I think it would be much closer than last year and Murray would have a chance.

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 08:11 AM
I would want Tsonga and Djokovic to meet, and I would love to see another beating by Tsonga. I think Tsonga's game is really suited for grass. To bad he won't get the chance unless he beats Federer.

Jchurch
06-19-2009, 08:33 AM
Nadal's draw is the hardest, than Novak's.

Federer again has an easy draw, but Murray's draw is complete joke.

And of course Federer and Murray are in opposite sides.

You can't help but wonder after seeing this.

Please explain your rationale.

NamRanger
06-19-2009, 08:37 AM
Personally I think Federer is just so good he makes any draw look easy.

edberg505
06-19-2009, 09:50 AM
He made the 4th round at only 1 of his 2 appearances at Wimbledon so far. Anyway since it seems you are comparing Federer and Djokovic draws here, there is no doubt Tsonga is a nightmarish lower ranked opponent for Djokovic given his 4-2 head to head vs him. Del Potro is an easy opponent for Djokovic in the past. Tsonga hasnt played Federer that I know of, and Del Potro has likewise been an easy opponent for Federer in the past except on clay.

I'm pretty sure Tsonga has only played in 1 Wimbledon. Also, Tsonga played Federer on an indoor hard court last year and lost. But Tsonga is a nightmare opponent for anyone on any type of court and even more so on grass.

edberg505
06-19-2009, 09:51 AM
Personally I think Federer is just so good he makes any draw look easy.

I think someone should make a thread now about how Federer got an easy US Open draw.

icedevil0289
06-19-2009, 09:55 AM
I think someone should make a thread now about how Federer got an easy US Open draw.

Why make a new thread? We should just have one thread and just keeping bumping it every time a new draw comes out.

gj011
06-19-2009, 10:22 AM
So if Nadal is indeed out this all changes. If I understood rules correctly, Del Potro (#5 seed) is taking Nadals spot in the draw and Blake (#17 seed) is taking Del Potro's spot.

Novak's draw got a little bit better, but Murray's easy draw got a lot better.

IvanAndreevich
06-19-2009, 10:50 AM
Nadal has the toughest draw now. In fact, it's impossible for him to win. :(

P_Agony
06-19-2009, 11:52 AM
Nadal has the toughest draw now. In fact, it's impossible for him to win. :(

Yes, it really sucks. While I'm not a Nadal fan it's just bad for tennis in general and a repeat of last year's epic final won't take place.

Sigh...

BreakPoint
06-19-2009, 01:56 PM
Basically baseliners who take the ball on the rise we always find grass as there worst surface.
Huh? Federer takes the ball on the rise, and except for his first Wimbledon title, he's won the rest of them pretty much from the baseline.

Hewitt, Connors, and McEnroe (when he played back) also took the ball on the rise and they all won Wimbledon.

Now I see how much you really understand tennis.

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2009, 01:59 PM
Huh? Federer takes the ball on the rise, and except for his first Wimbledon title, he's won the rest of them pretty much from the baseline.

Hewitt, Connors, and McEnroe (when he played back) also took the ball on the rise and they all won Wimbledon.

Now I see how much you really understand tennis.

So grass being Agassi, Djokovic, Nalbandian, Davydenko and Del Potro's worst surface is just a coincidence?

NamRanger
06-19-2009, 02:03 PM
So grass being Agassi, Djokovic, Nalbandian, Davydenko and Del Potro's worst surface is just a coincidence?


Agassi has 2 finals there and has won once; 3 SFs also. It's just that he didn't play Wimbledon for a very long time early in his career, otherwise it's possible he could have much better looking statistics on grass. Make no mistake; Agassi is no slouch on grass, and could beat some of the elite grass players.



Anyways, Roddick has the easiest draw until the SF, and could possibly end up somehow ending up in the final.

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2009, 02:04 PM
Agassi has 2 finals there and has won once; 3 SFs also. It's just that he didn't play Wimbledon for a very long time early in his career, otherwise it's possible he could have much better looking statistics on grass. Make no mistake; Agassi is no slouch on grass, and could beat some of the elite grass players.



Anyways, Roddick has the easiest draw until the SF, and could possibly end up somehow ending up in the final.

I never said Agassi was a slouch on grass but it was his worst surface.

zagor
06-19-2009, 02:07 PM
I never said Agassi was a slouch on grass but it was his worst surface.

Or maybe clay was Agassi's worst surface? You could make the argument for that as well.He played FO more times than Wimbledon and even with no really huge obstacle at the FO(like Sampras at Wimbledon)he didn't win it more than once.

BreakPoint
06-19-2009, 02:07 PM
So grass being Agassi, Djokovic, Nalbandian, Davydenko and Del Potro's worst surface is just a coincidence?
Um...Agassi won Wimbledon, made it to another final, and made numerous semis.

Other than Wimbledon, which other GS final has Nalbandian ever made it to?

NamRanger
06-19-2009, 02:08 PM
I never said Agassi was a slouch on grass but it was his worst surface.



Totally disagree; Agassi's worst surface was not grass. IMO, he was a much worse clay court player than he was on grass. Agassi compiled a very similar record to his FO statistics, despite the fact that he played 3 tournaments less at Wimbledon. If he had played there earlier in his career, I expect Agassi to have a much better record at Wimbledon than at the FO.

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2009, 02:11 PM
Um...Agassi won Wimbledon, made it to another final, and made numerous semis.

Other than Wimbledon, which other GS final has Nalbandian ever made it to?

Nalbandian's Wimbledon final was a fluke he played the amazing Xavier Malisse in the semis and got got taken to the cleaners in the final by Hewitt and hasn't been past the 4th round since. Whilst he has choked 2 semis at the hardcourt slams and been to 2 semis at the French and was beating the crap out of your boy Federer before he got injured.

Gugafan
06-19-2009, 02:15 PM
On further analysis, Murrays draw looks alot more tricky...He will probably have to beat Gulbis in the 2nd rd, and a potentially dangerous 3rd encounter against Taylor Dent. Then Wawrinka/Safin in the 4th rd and Gonzo in the quarters.

Guys like Gonzo, Safin, Gulbis have a big game that can spring an upset from time to time. There is noway Murray can underestimate such a calibre of players, who are capable of getting on hot streaks.

BreakPoint
06-19-2009, 02:37 PM
Nalbandian's Wimbledon final was a fluke he played the amazing Xavier Malisse in the semis and got got taken to the cleaners in the final by Hewitt and hasn't been past the 4th round since. Whilst he has choked 2 semis at the hardcourt slams and been to 2 semis at the French and was beating the crap out of your boy Federer before he got injured.
Yeah, by Hewitt - another baseliner who takes the ball on the rise. :oops:

I'd take Nalbandian over Nadal on grass any day of the week.

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2009, 02:39 PM
Yeah, by Hewitt - another baseliner who takes the ball on the rise. :oops:

I'd take Nalbandian over Nadal on grass any day of the week.

Well your the only person on the planet that would.

BreakPoint
06-19-2009, 02:40 PM
On further analysis, Murrays draw looks alot more tricky...He will probably have to beat Gulbis in the 2nd rd, and a potentially dangerous 3rd encounter against Taylor Dent. Then Wawrinka/Safin in the 4th rd and Gonzo in the quarters.

Guys like Gonzo, Safin, Gulbis have a big game that can spring an upset from time to time. There is noway Murray can underestimate such a calibre of players, who are capable of getting on hot streaks.
I'd be surprised if Murray even makes it out of the 1st round against Kendrick.

Don't forget that Kendrick was only two points away from beating Nadal at Wimbledon a couple of years ago.

A serve and volleyer is always dangerous on grass, especially this year as the grass is supposed to be faster than the past few years and especially if they close the roof. :)

Cesc Fabregas
06-19-2009, 02:40 PM
Yeah, by Hewitt - another baseliner who takes the ball on the rise. :oops:
I'd take Nalbandian over Nadal on grass any day of the week.

Just shows what a crappy Wimbledon that was, many consider it the worst in the open era.

BreakPoint
06-19-2009, 02:41 PM
Well your the only person on the planet that would.
I don't think so. Just look at their head-to-head record on fast courts. Nadal's got nothing to hurt Nalbandian.

BigServer1
06-19-2009, 02:44 PM
It was Nadal until he withdrew...

Federer's is tough, as is Djokovic's, but I don't see Djokovic going farther than Federer, so I'll say Federer's draw is toughest.

RCizzle65
06-19-2009, 03:06 PM
I agree with the people talking about how Federer is good so he makes draws look easy, do you think any player wants to trade draws with him? It is not Federer's fault he's met the other players so often and they get mismatched by him, we could go through all the seeded players and Federer probably would be fine playing any of them besides the top 4 (excluding himself of course)

jimbo333
06-19-2009, 03:12 PM
Federer has the toughest draw, but then he's the best player, so it doesn't really matter:)

Gorecki
06-19-2009, 03:17 PM
Federer has the toughest draw, but then he's the best player, so it doesn't really matter:)

jimbs...

i had no chance to get the puma bag for the promissed photos. unfortunately my dad has just undergone eye cirgury and i have been back and forth between my bosses tedious meetings, driving my mom allover and keeping my girl....:)

i didnt forget our agreement!...

jimbo333
06-19-2009, 04:29 PM
jimbs...

i had no chance to get the puma bag for the promissed photos. unfortunately my dad has just undergone eye cirgury and i have been back and forth between my bosses tedious meetings, driving my mom allover and keeping my girl....:)

i didnt forget our agreement!...


Hi, There really is no hurry, really appreciate the offer and look forward to seeing the bag at some point. Really hope your Dad is OK that's the main thing:)

grafrules
06-21-2009, 02:56 PM
1. Federer
2. Murray
-----big gap----
3. Del Potro
-----another big gap----
4. Djokovic

What a joke draw the Joker gets as usual.