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gopokes
06-19-2009, 12:20 PM
I understand that Rafa has his reasons, but it's a pity that he waited so long to withdraw - If he had pulled out earlier, Wimbledon could have been more fair to the rest of the field in terms of seeding. If I have one criticism, it is that he should have pulled out earlier, especially when he anticipates being out a month or more. It hosed the rest of the field. It would be nice if Wimbledon would redo the draw. Has a major ever revamped the draw after a last-minute pull-out by a prominent seed?

GP

malakas
06-19-2009, 12:22 PM
No it shouldn't.The rules are rules and are here to be followed.The end.

batz
06-19-2009, 12:26 PM
I understand that Rafa has his reasons, but it's a pity that he waited so long to withdraw - If he had pulled out earlier, Wimbledon could have been more fair to the rest of the field in terms of seeding. If I have one criticism, it is that he should have pulled out earlier, especially when he anticipates being out a month or more. It hosed the rest of the field. It would be nice if Wimbledon would redo the draw. Has a major ever revamped the draw after a last-minute pull-out by a prominent seed?

GP

The draw is fundamentally OK. Top 2 in separate halves, next 2 split between them

clayman2000
06-19-2009, 12:35 PM
The draw is about as even as possible. Now in reality, Roddick is the top player in quarter 1, and Del Potro is his QF matchup. While it does open up Djokovic' quarter, Haas is more than capapble of filling the void

shawn1122
06-19-2009, 12:49 PM
I'm not sure if I understand, Federer will still be labeled as the number 2 seed for the entire tournament? That makes no sense to me, if the number 1 doesnt show up then they should add 1 to everyone's seeding. The draw itself is fine, its just that Federer should be the number 1 seed of the tournament and murray number 2.

Warriorroger
06-19-2009, 12:52 PM
I'm not sure if I understand, Federer will still be labeled as the number 2 seed for the entire tournament? That makes no sense to me, if the number 1 doesnt show up then they should add 1 to everyone's seeding. The draw itself is fine, its just that Federer should be the number 1 seed of the tournament and murray number 2.

Agreed, that's what they did when Seles pulled out in 1991 and Graf was number two at the time.

Kostas
06-19-2009, 12:53 PM
It's purely aesthetic.

I don't see how it really matters.

Moose Malloy
06-19-2009, 12:57 PM
I'm not sure if I understand, Federer will still be labeled as the number 2 seed for the entire tournament? That makes no sense to me, if the number 1 doesnt show up then they should add 1 to everyone's seeding. The draw itself is fine, its just that Federer should be the number 1 seed of the tournament and murray number 2.

Look up the draw to '99 AO. No #1 seed that year (he pulled out after the draw was made)

Like others have said it makes no big difference. The draw is mostly balanced, who cares what that # next to their name says.

Nadal_Freak
06-19-2009, 01:04 PM
Nope. The possibility of Fed getting Del Potro on his half would devastate Wimbledon. Keep it as it is.

wangs78
06-19-2009, 01:05 PM
I understand that Rafa has his reasons, but it's a pity that he waited so long to withdraw - If he had pulled out earlier, Wimbledon could have been more fair to the rest of the field in terms of seeding. If I have one criticism, it is that he should have pulled out earlier, especially when he anticipates being out a month or more. It hosed the rest of the field. It would be nice if Wimbledon would redo the draw. Has a major ever revamped the draw after a last-minute pull-out by a prominent seed?

GP

I don't disagree but I don't think Rafa should be faulted for a late decision. He clearly wanted to try everything he could (which includes waiting to the last minute) to be physically ready for the tournament. In the end, turned out he wasn't so he withdrew. I think any #1 seed and reigning champion should be afforded that courtesy. Because without him the tournament certainly loses some of its luster. Thankfully, We have enough bright stars in men's tennis such that this isn't a disaster.

nothingfails
06-19-2009, 01:06 PM
What is excatly the rule when a seed withdraws in GS ? At RG this year Zvonareva (#6) withdrew after the draw came out and was replaced by a lucky loser. Different rule here.

malakas
06-19-2009, 01:08 PM
The rule is different for the first 4 seeds.If Nadal wasn't seeded in the first 4,the same would have happened.

Moose Malloy
06-19-2009, 01:15 PM
understand that Rafa has his reasons, but it's a pity that he waited so long to withdraw

I think pulling out more than 72 hours before the 1st ball is struck is reasonable.

Has a major ever revamped the draw after a last-minute pull-out by a prominent seed?


No. And if they did, the players would have a fit.

This draw is fine, in other majors I can remember where a top seed pulled out there was just a LL in his spot(resulting an unbalanced draw, at least seeds are in every spot here)

Here, I'll reseed for you.

The top 16 are now:

1 Fed
2 Murray
3 Djokovic
4 Del Potro
5 Roddick
6 Verdasco
7 Simon
8 Tsonga
9 Gonzo
10 Cilic
11 Davydenko
12 Soderling
13 Safin
14 Robredo
15 Ferrer
16 Blake

and look at how the projected draw is for these players:

4th Round
1 vs 12
6 vs 8
16 vs 11
14 vs 3
2 vs 13
9 vs 7
4 vs 15
11 vs 5

looks like only 2 matches in this round are affected by Nadal's pullout. Verdacso (6) vs Tsonga (8) & Blake(16) vs Cilic(11).

QF's
1 vs 6
3 vs 11
2 vs 7
4 vs 5

So Djokovic(3) is the only top 4 seed that can't play a top 8 seed in the QF's.

Sf's
1 vs 3
2 vs 4

No change here. And the final can still have the 2 highest ranked players in the draw. Sounds good to me.

pudelko
06-19-2009, 01:18 PM
Maybe Nadal waited to see the draw before he withdrew, just to see what opponents he may come up against?

Then again if he is this badly injured what difference would it have made.

woodrow1029
06-19-2009, 01:19 PM
Did she withdraw before after the order of play was announced?

Here is the link:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=268716

Moose Malloy
06-19-2009, 01:34 PM
Agreed, that's what they did when Seles pulled out in 1991 and Graf was number two at the time

here's an article. I don't get how 'only 5 changes' resulted from moving everyone up one spot.

no wonder seles was treated so harshly (grunto-meter, etc) the next year.

EASTBOURNE, England — Top-seeded Monica Seles has withdrawn from next week's Wimbledon tennis tournament after a minor accident, losing her chance to win tennis' Grand Slam, tournament officials said Friday.

No information was available on the accident.

"It is a complete mystery," Wimbledon referee Alan Mills said after getting the news only hours before a meeting to arrange the first day's order of play. "It came as a great surprise to me."

Wimbledon officials asked Seles' agent for more information but were told that the 17-year-old Florida-based Yugoslav was not prepared to give details.

A statement from Seles, passed on by Wimbledon officials to the media at the Eastbourne women's tournament, merely said an injury caused by the accident prevented Seles from playing next week.

"I am very disappointed to miss Wimbledon this year but look forward to returning in 1992," Seles said in the statement.

Seles, ranked No. 1 in the world, won the French Open two weeks ago and the Australian Open in January, so victory on Wimbledon's grass would have taken her three-quarters of the way to a Grand Slam.

Officials said that because of Seles' withdrawal, the women's seeded players each would move up a position, Steffi Graf of Germany, a two-time Wimbledon champion, taking over as No. 1.

That means Graf and Martina Navratilova, the only former Wimbledon champions in the field, will be in opposite halves of the draw and could meet in the final.

"I think that Graf is the greatest danger to my chances of winning the title for a 10th time," Navratilova said before Seles' withdrawal.

The reorganization was designed to cause as little disruption as possible to the draw. Only five changes result among the first-round matches.

The reshuffle leaves Graf expected to meet Arantxa Sanchez Vicario, who beat her in the French Open semifinals.

Tennis historians said it was unprecedented for a player top-seeded at Wimbledon to withdraw in such circumstances and at such short notice since the tournament began in 1877.

"I think Monica is going to come up not with a better reason, but a specific explanation, because Wimbledon just happens to be the biggest tournament in the world," said Chris Evert, a former champion who will be doing television commentary this year.

"I am just very shocked after the way she played the French," Evert said. "I guess something happened in the interim that caused the injury and I think every one would be very curious what it is."

Seles, who returned to the United States after the French Open, had complained about shin problems after her victory in Paris.

Friday's statement from Seles said she expected to be back on the tour "in a few weeks."

DoubleDeuce
06-19-2009, 01:47 PM
I agree. The whole seeding structure has now changed.

Why did he need to wait to the last minute? This is crap.

フェデラー
06-19-2009, 02:06 PM
Murray is screwed he has to play Robert Kendrick who is a beast on grass. He lost to Nadal in 5 sets in 2007 first round.

iamgoat
06-19-2009, 02:07 PM
Murray is screwed he has to play Robert Kendrick who is a beast on grass. He lost to Nadal in 5 sets in 2007 first round.

OMG OMG oMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG MURRAY IS SO SCREWED!

gopokes
06-19-2009, 07:40 PM
Thanks for the breakdown Moose - You're right - the draws are at least decent as they stand. I guess the bigger issue is that if Rafa really needs a month or more to recover from his injuries, it had to be apparent to him and his team that competing at a major at 100% was out of the question - there's little imho that can be learned from two days at an exhibition that wouldn't be revealed in practice weeks before, especially with a chronic injury as Rafa seems to have. It's unfortunate enough to not have the world #1 in the tournament, and even more so if the rest of the field isn't optimally seeded as a result of the pull-out. As Moose points out, it's not a huge difference in potential match-ups, but it's not optimal either. Maybe it's small potatoes, but I think an earlier pullout would have been more appropriate under the circumstances, but that's water under the bridge now.
GP

forehand_dude
06-19-2009, 07:49 PM
^^^

I assume you're joking about Murray being screwed. Anyway, betfair says there is roughly a 97% chance he will win his first match, and 50% to 60% chance he will make the finals.

http://uk.site.sports.betfair.com//betting/LoadRunnerInfoAction.do?marketId=100632569&selectionId=2256509

http://uk.site.sports.betfair.com//betting/LoadRunnerInfoAction.do?marketId=100631970&selectionId=2256509