<3tennis!!!

06-19-2009, 05:28 PM

to regain no1 spot? just curious

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<3tennis!!!

06-19-2009, 05:28 PM

to regain no1 spot? just curious

zagor

06-19-2009, 05:30 PM

From what I understand he still has to win it,otherwise he stays #2 even if he reaches the final.

<3tennis!!!

06-19-2009, 05:31 PM

From what I understand he still has to win it,otherwise he stays #2 even if he reaches the final.really, even with nads gone?

The Ripper

06-19-2009, 05:35 PM

I believe with Rafa's withdrawal (i.e., playing no matches) and Fed winning would put Fed at #1 by maybe 100 points. The adding and dropping of points is beyond my understanding!

zagor

06-19-2009, 05:51 PM

really, even with nads gone?

Yes,here's a post that explains this from Malakas:

here's the update AFTER nadal's withdrawal:

From duong mtf:

As a summary :

If Federer wins Wimbledon, he will be number 1 on the day after Wimbledon.

Else Nadal will still be number 1 at that moment.

If Murray wins Wimbledon, he will be number 1 on the 20th of july

... but if Federer reaches the semifinal, Murray will lose his number 1 to Federer on the 3rd of august.

If Federer reaches the semifinal and Murray doesn't win Wimbledon, Federer will be number 1 on the 27th of july.

If Federer reaches the quarterfinal and Murray doesn't win Wimbledon, Federer will be number 1 on the 3rd of August.

The only way for Nadal to keep his number 1 until at least the 17th of august would be that Federer loses before the quarterfinal and Murray doesn't win Wimbledon. But even in that case, he would have to reach at least the final in Montreal to keep his number 1 on the 24th of august as he will lose his 800 points from the olympic games (Federer will lose 200 points from the olympics)

Djokovic cannot be number 1 before Montreal anyway

Here are some precisions and detailed calculations :

For the 6th of july right after Wimbledon the points so far (taking out last year's Wimbledon) are :

Nadal 10735

Federer 9220

Murray 8730

Djokovic 7790

Then it's impossible for Murray (or Djokovic) to be number 1 right after Wimbledon

Then on the 20th of july Murray will get his points from the Queens at last, as he will lose his zero-penalty for not taking part in Indianapolis last year (Murray ==> 8730 + 250 = 8980 points):

then if he wins Wimbledon, Murray will be number 1 on the 20th of july

Then on the 27th of july the points in Toronto last year will fall down : so far it would be :

Nadal 9735 (=10735-1000 ... +Davis Cup ?)

Federer 9210 (=9220-10 ... + Wimbledon)

Murray 8530 (=8980-450 ... + Wimbledon)

Djokovic 7630 (=7790-250+90 ... + Wimbledon)

Then on the 3rd of august the points in Cincinnatti last year will fall down : so far it would be :

Nadal 9285 (=10735-1000-450 ... +Davis Cup?)

Federer 9060 (=9220-10-150 ... + Wimbledon)

Murray 7530 (=8980-450-1000 ... + Wimbledon)

Djokovic 7020 (=7790-250-700+90+90... + Wimbledon)

At this moment both Federer and Murray could be number 1, Djokovic still couldn't,

but

to keep his number 1 on the 3rd of august, Murray would have to hope that Federer didn't reach the semifinal in Wimbledon

Next event would be Montreal (olympic games last year falling down).

Yes,here's a post that explains this from Malakas:

here's the update AFTER nadal's withdrawal:

From duong mtf:

As a summary :

If Federer wins Wimbledon, he will be number 1 on the day after Wimbledon.

Else Nadal will still be number 1 at that moment.

If Murray wins Wimbledon, he will be number 1 on the 20th of july

... but if Federer reaches the semifinal, Murray will lose his number 1 to Federer on the 3rd of august.

If Federer reaches the semifinal and Murray doesn't win Wimbledon, Federer will be number 1 on the 27th of july.

If Federer reaches the quarterfinal and Murray doesn't win Wimbledon, Federer will be number 1 on the 3rd of August.

The only way for Nadal to keep his number 1 until at least the 17th of august would be that Federer loses before the quarterfinal and Murray doesn't win Wimbledon. But even in that case, he would have to reach at least the final in Montreal to keep his number 1 on the 24th of august as he will lose his 800 points from the olympic games (Federer will lose 200 points from the olympics)

Djokovic cannot be number 1 before Montreal anyway

Here are some precisions and detailed calculations :

For the 6th of july right after Wimbledon the points so far (taking out last year's Wimbledon) are :

Nadal 10735

Federer 9220

Murray 8730

Djokovic 7790

Then it's impossible for Murray (or Djokovic) to be number 1 right after Wimbledon

Then on the 20th of july Murray will get his points from the Queens at last, as he will lose his zero-penalty for not taking part in Indianapolis last year (Murray ==> 8730 + 250 = 8980 points):

then if he wins Wimbledon, Murray will be number 1 on the 20th of july

Then on the 27th of july the points in Toronto last year will fall down : so far it would be :

Nadal 9735 (=10735-1000 ... +Davis Cup ?)

Federer 9210 (=9220-10 ... + Wimbledon)

Murray 8530 (=8980-450 ... + Wimbledon)

Djokovic 7630 (=7790-250+90 ... + Wimbledon)

Then on the 3rd of august the points in Cincinnatti last year will fall down : so far it would be :

Nadal 9285 (=10735-1000-450 ... +Davis Cup?)

Federer 9060 (=9220-10-150 ... + Wimbledon)

Murray 7530 (=8980-450-1000 ... + Wimbledon)

Djokovic 7020 (=7790-250-700+90+90... + Wimbledon)

At this moment both Federer and Murray could be number 1, Djokovic still couldn't,

but

to keep his number 1 on the 3rd of august, Murray would have to hope that Federer didn't reach the semifinal in Wimbledon

Next event would be Montreal (olympic games last year falling down).

shawn1122

06-19-2009, 05:58 PM

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2009/06/Shark-Bites-Battle-For-No-1.aspx

Round Projected - Points After Wimbledon

Player/Round Nadal Federer Murray Djokovic

R128 10745 9230 8740 7900

R64 10780 9265 8775 7935

R32 10825 9310 8820 7980

R16 10915 9400 8910 8070

QF 11095 9580 9090 8250

SF 11455 9940 9450 8610

F 11935 10420 9930 9090

W 12735 11220 10730 9890

If Murray wins he is 15 points away from being number one. Actually I'm not sure, since he didnt even play the first round I don't think he even gets those 10 points. So Murray would be just five points from #1 if he won wimbledon.

Federer has to win to get the number one ranking.

Round Projected - Points After Wimbledon

Player/Round Nadal Federer Murray Djokovic

R128 10745 9230 8740 7900

R64 10780 9265 8775 7935

R32 10825 9310 8820 7980

R16 10915 9400 8910 8070

QF 11095 9580 9090 8250

SF 11455 9940 9450 8610

F 11935 10420 9930 9090

W 12735 11220 10730 9890

If Murray wins he is 15 points away from being number one. Actually I'm not sure, since he didnt even play the first round I don't think he even gets those 10 points. So Murray would be just five points from #1 if he won wimbledon.

Federer has to win to get the number one ranking.

Jchurch

06-19-2009, 06:02 PM

I believe with Rafa's withdrawal (i.e., playing no matches) and Fed winning would put Fed at #1 by maybe 100 points. The adding and dropping of points is beyond my understanding!

I think if Federer wins then he would gain 600 points since he has 1400 from last year.

So Federers 10,620(Current)+600(if he wins)= 11,220

Nadal will be 12,735(Current)-2000(Withdrawing from Wimbledon)=10,735

So I believe Federer would be ahead by 485 points if he wins Wimbledon.

I think if Federer wins then he would gain 600 points since he has 1400 from last year.

So Federers 10,620(Current)+600(if he wins)= 11,220

Nadal will be 12,735(Current)-2000(Withdrawing from Wimbledon)=10,735

So I believe Federer would be ahead by 485 points if he wins Wimbledon.

featherlight

06-19-2009, 06:06 PM

he needs to beat andy murray and prevent him from winning wimby

Jchurch

06-19-2009, 06:10 PM

On a side note, does anyone know why they lowered the runner up points?

Claudius

06-19-2009, 06:22 PM

So if Federer wins, he's guaranteed to get his number one spot back.

jimbo333

06-19-2009, 06:43 PM

So if Federer wins, he's guaranteed to get his number one spot back.

Yes, I think so!!!

Yes, I think so!!!

sh@de

06-19-2009, 09:06 PM

Fed needs to play his game to win Wimby. That's it. If he plays his game, I don't see anybody beating him. Not even Murray.

tudwell

06-19-2009, 09:46 PM

http://www.atpworldtour.com/News/Tennis/2009/06/Shark-Bites-Battle-For-No-1.aspx

Round Projected - Points After Wimbledon

Player/Round Nadal Federer Murray Djokovic

R128 10745 9230 8740 7900

R64 10780 9265 8775 7935

R32 10825 9310 8820 7980

R16 10915 9400 8910 8070

QF 11095 9580 9090 8250

SF 11455 9940 9450 8610

F 11935 10420 9930 9090

W 12735 11220 10730 9890

If Murray wins he is 15 points away from being number one. Actually I'm not sure, since he didnt even play the first round I don't think he even gets those 10 points. So Murray would be just five points from #1 if he won wimbledon.

Federer has to win to get the number one ranking.

Whoa! If Djokovic beats Federer in the semis and Murray in the final, they'll all be less than 100 points away from each other.

Round Projected - Points After Wimbledon

Player/Round Nadal Federer Murray Djokovic

R128 10745 9230 8740 7900

R64 10780 9265 8775 7935

R32 10825 9310 8820 7980

R16 10915 9400 8910 8070

QF 11095 9580 9090 8250

SF 11455 9940 9450 8610

F 11935 10420 9930 9090

W 12735 11220 10730 9890

If Murray wins he is 15 points away from being number one. Actually I'm not sure, since he didnt even play the first round I don't think he even gets those 10 points. So Murray would be just five points from #1 if he won wimbledon.

Federer has to win to get the number one ranking.

Whoa! If Djokovic beats Federer in the semis and Murray in the final, they'll all be less than 100 points away from each other.

maximo

06-20-2009, 12:01 PM

I repeat, if Murray wins wimbledon, he will become # 1.

COME ON ANDY!!

COME ON ANDY!!

maddogz32

06-20-2009, 12:07 PM

this is so confusing i cant even begin to comprehend it

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