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BTURNER
06-19-2009, 09:47 PM
Men: Lendl, Borg, Wilander, defensive lob Chang, best slice lob Pat Cash.

Women: Evert, Hingis, Sabatini, best slice lob Billie Jena King, Defensive lob Sanchez.
comments nominees?

Zimbo
06-19-2009, 10:37 PM
Men: Lendl, Borg, Wilander, defensive lob Chang, best slice lob Pat Cash.

Women: Evert, Hingis, Sabatini, best slice lob Billie Jena King, Defensive lob Sanchez.
comments nominees?

I would add Connors to the list. Agassi had a pretty good lob also.

Datacipher
06-20-2009, 02:59 AM
I would add Connors to the list. Agassi had a pretty good lob also.

Yep. Spot on. Connors may have been #1 for the defensive lob and Agassi is probably #1 for the topspin lob. Absolutely brilliant off both sides.

Lendl was on/off with it, he had some brilliant matches, tearing serve and volleyers apart with it, but also matches where it wasn't working well at all.

Chang did it well off both sides, like Agassi.

gpt
06-20-2009, 03:43 AM
Rosewall Newcombe Vilas Goolagong Sanchez-Vicario

Dino Lagaffe
06-20-2009, 04:08 AM
I always thought Hewitt had a good lob, too.

Mafia13
06-20-2009, 05:32 AM
Honorable mention to murray, hewitt, fed among active players maybe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnzYsK_tPPY and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm3Iewucde8

urban
06-20-2009, 05:50 AM
Offensive topspin lob (the first to play it was Seixas): Laver, Santana, Okker, Nastase, Borg; defensive: Rosewall, Wilander, Hewitt.
Women: Evert, by a mile.

BTURNER
06-20-2009, 06:50 AM
Didn't Lendl hit his backhand lobs with top raher than slice? Court had a nice slice lob as well. Of course which successful doubles players didnt? KIng's was the most effective slice lob, Even when it didn't win the point it sure drove the opponet back into a very awkward position.

urban
06-20-2009, 07:01 AM
Its not easy to separate a defensive and an offensive lob. Hewitt, who had a clever defensive game in his prime, played a light topsin lob mostly out of defensive positions.
I remember, that Laver did play a real hard offensive lob, from inside the court as direct return of serve. I personally saw him hit one on matchpoint against him vs. Bob Lutz at a Cologne match. He hit a direct hard return with murderous topsin, which looked as to go wide into the stands and suddenly in a sharp curve fell dead to the ground on Lutz's baseline.

Rosewall hit lobs without much spin at all. He had the habit, to place the first two or three just so high, that the opponent could reach them. Then he hit them just a bit higher, so that smashing became more and more difficult, and that at last the overhead of the other guy broke down.

jimbo333
06-20-2009, 07:09 AM
Yep. Spot on. Connors may have been #1 for the defensive lob and Agassi is probably #1 for the topspin lob. Absolutely brilliant off both sides.

Lendl was on/off with it, he had some brilliant matches, tearing serve and volleyers apart with it, but also matches where it wasn't working well at all.

Chang did it well off both sides, like Agassi.

As much of a Connors fan as I am, I preferred watching Agassi lobs, Superb with great disguise:)

BTURNER
06-20-2009, 07:56 AM
Evert used the rarely seen lob-volley to follow the drop shot or drop volley in singles. You don't see that shot by baseliners often. Here's an example vs Mandlikova. These are 15 second clips just isolating one point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfJuJCYZvxg

She could do it on the backhand side as well.
vs Navratilova

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbG_asI-sII

urban
06-20-2009, 08:08 AM
I remember a Wimbledon SF i think in 1973 or 74, when young Evert crucified Margaret Court with her lobs. Court was a bit past her prime then.

matchmaker
06-20-2009, 08:30 AM
Marcelo Rios should definitely be on that list.

tintin
06-20-2009, 09:22 AM
add in Mauresmo and Henin to that list

CEvertFan
06-20-2009, 09:33 AM
I remember a Wimbledon SF i think in 1973 or 74, when young Evert crucified Margaret Court with her lobs. Court was a bit past her prime then.

1973 semis, Evert won 6-1, 1-6, 6-1.

TTC actually just showed the '73 final against King during this past week. Evert did not play well that day at all and King played quite well.

boredone3456
06-20-2009, 11:00 AM
For the Women its Evert quite easily. She could lob and drop shot from almost anywhere on court and either defensively or offensively. Her lobs were enough to run anyone ragged...just ask Martina Navratilova, before she got into better shape Chris murdered her with her Lobs. Honorable mentions for the women would for me be King and Hingis.

BTURNER
06-20-2009, 12:31 PM
Evert crushed Hana in the final set on a windy day in Florida using her perfectly timed lobs almost exclusively on big points. I guess she could smell the direction of the gusts in advance from her Fort Lauderdale days. It was a 6-0 or 6-1 set. Unfortunatly for Evert. Graf, the finalist, overpowered the wind and didn't come to net.

Datacipher
06-20-2009, 01:53 PM
Honorable mention to murray, hewitt, fed among active players maybe? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnzYsK_tPPY and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm3Iewucde8

I can't give any honorable mention to any of today's players, but that's not their fault. The fact is, they don't face high caliber serve and volley or chip and charge players. So, even if they have a great lob or the potential to develop one, they don't get to use it much!

matchmaker
06-20-2009, 02:37 PM
This clip at 1 minute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44vlLbbr9A&feature=related

matchmaker
06-20-2009, 02:57 PM
This clip at the very start. Probably the best point I have ever seen. A completely daft dropshot followed by a lob volley.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V44vlLbbr9A&feature=related
Edit: also have a look at the point at 1.35... and 2.50 isn't too bad either. I told you this guy has good lobs.

EDIT: WRONG LINK ABOVE, THIS IS THE CORRECT ONE:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUXMsyQnlBo

matchmaker
06-20-2009, 03:18 PM
Three amazing lobs beween 2.30 and 3.20 to show Rios could not only lob short baseliners like Berasategui and Agassi, once he had tempted them to come to net, but also huge serve and volley specialists like Ivanisevic and Rusedski. Enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29jx9Pz-pU0&feature=related

The-Champ
06-20-2009, 04:22 PM
Nadal has produced some of the best defensive lobs I've ever seen.

Hewitt was great as well, and so was André in his early days.

BTURNER
06-20-2009, 05:26 PM
sweet stuff on Rios. I have watched very little of his play. If this is what I have been missing, I better order me some Rios matches.

matchmaker
06-20-2009, 08:44 PM
sweet stuff on Rios. I have watched very little of his play. If this is what I have been missing, I better order me some Rios matches.

BTURNER,

I saw the link in my second post was wrong and put up the good one there. That was one of Rios' more inspired matches, although unfortunately he had to withdraw after the second set because of an injury. He always played great against Agassi.
My feelings about Rios are mixed, I absolutely admire him on the one hand side and utterly despise his underachieving lack of character on the other hand side.
But watching his points now his carreer is over gives me great satisfaction. I really think they are among the best ever seen on a tennis court. It may not have taken him to the Hall of Fame, but maybe he was just too much of an instinctive feel player in an era of power tennis.
People like Santoro are also great to watch, yet not number ones.

!Tym
06-20-2009, 09:43 PM
Bruguera qualifies for this, an AMAZING flick topspin lob. But then again, anything having to do with the modulation of DEGREE of spin, whether that be short angle flicker with so little pace that it's eerie and seems to defy gravity, or power angle flicks, or topspin lob flicks; he was imo, the UNDISPUTED greatest of all time. Oh my goodness, when he (and Rios) were on fire with their passing shots, they didn't just put on a passing shot clinic, they had a way of making you look like a fool because it wasn't just the brace for the pace style passing shots of Safin or Agassi types when on (though in truth, no less effective...just less dazzling in a snake charmer sort of way).