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JennyS
06-20-2009, 04:45 PM
My pick is Andre Agassi, 2003 Australian Open:

R128 Brian Vahaly (USA) 93 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-3
R64 Hyung-Taik Lee (KOR) 67 W 6-1, 6-0, 6-0
R32 Nicolas Escude (FRA) 37 W 6-2, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
R16 Guillermo Coria (ARG) 45 W 6-1, 3-1 RET
Q Sebastien Grosjean (FRA) 16 W 6-3, 6-2, 6-2
S Wayne Ferreira (RSA) 39 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-3
W Rainer Schuettler (GER) 36 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-1

Seriously, can anyone top this?

Drop Shot 11
06-20-2009, 04:50 PM
LOL! He lost one set.

Winners or Errors
06-20-2009, 04:51 PM
Watch out. Here comes another Sampras - Federer fan fight...

JennyS
06-20-2009, 04:53 PM
LOL! He lost one set.

Well he was almost 33 years old so he had an excuse:)

Andy Roddick's 2003 USO draw wasn't exactly the toughest either and he played an exhausted Ferrero in the final:

R128 Tim Henman (GBR) 33 W 6-3, 7-6(2), 6-3
R64 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 43 W 6-3, 6-7(4), 6-3, 7-6(8)
R32 Flavio Saretta (BRA) 49 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-3
R16 Xavier Malisse (BEL) 67 W 6-3, 6-4, 7-6(5)
Q Sjeng Schalken (NED) 12 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-3
S David Nalbandian (ARG) 13 W 6-7(4), 3-6, 7-6(7), 6-1, 6-3
W Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) 3 W 6-3, 7-6(2), 6-3

Joseph L. Barrow
06-20-2009, 04:58 PM
Well he was almost 33 years old so he had an excuse:)

Andy Roddick's 2003 USO draw wasn't exactly the toughest either and he played an exhausted Ferrero in the final:

R128 Tim Henman (GBR) 33 W 6-3, 7-6(2), 6-3
R64 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 43 W 6-3, 6-7(4), 6-3, 7-6(8)
R32 Flavio Saretta (BRA) 49 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-3
R16 Xavier Malisse (BEL) 67 W 6-3, 6-4, 7-6(5)
Q Sjeng Schalken (NED) 12 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-3
S David Nalbandian (ARG) 13 W 6-7(4), 3-6, 7-6(7), 6-1, 6-3
W Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) 3 W 6-3, 7-6(2), 6-3
That looks like an absolute murderer's row compared with the opening-post example.

Gugafan
06-20-2009, 04:59 PM
That was truely a cakewalk of a draw, not having to play a single player inside the top 10 (Agassi Aus 03).

Not suprising that the two draws you have listed are both from 2003, a transition period in the mens game where no single player was dominating all year round.

AllCourt
06-20-2009, 06:22 PM
Well he was almost 33 years old so he had an excuse:)

Andy Roddick's 2003 USO draw wasn't exactly the toughest either and he played an exhausted Ferrero in the final:

R128 Tim Henman (GBR) 33 W 6-3, 7-6(2), 6-3
R64 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 43 W 6-3, 6-7(4), 6-3, 7-6(8)
R32 Flavio Saretta (BRA) 49 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-3
R16 Xavier Malisse (BEL) 67 W 6-3, 6-4, 7-6(5)
Q Sjeng Schalken (NED) 12 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-3
S David Nalbandian (ARG) 13 W 6-7(4), 3-6, 7-6(7), 6-1, 6-3
W Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) 3 W 6-3, 7-6(2), 6-3

Tim Henman, Ivan Ljubicic, and David Nalbandian were all very dangerous players during that time. Ferrero was ranked number one at one point during that year, but Roddick was lucky that Ferrero was tired in the final. However, beating Tim Henman (who beat Roddick earlier that summer), Nalbandian (who took out Federer), and Ljubicic, who is just a good fast court player, is no easy draw by any means.

I do agree that Agassi did have a very simple path to his Australian Open 2003.

canuckfan
06-20-2009, 07:30 PM
sampras [wimby 2000] and agassi [french 1999] come to mind.

gj011
06-20-2009, 07:30 PM
Federer FO 2009.

abmk
06-20-2009, 07:34 PM
djokovic AO 2008 !

NamRanger
06-20-2009, 07:38 PM
Federer FO 2009.


You could troll better than that. Federer's Wimbledon 2003 was very easy. Didn't play a single seeded player until the QF (Schalken? Please), Roddick in the SF (only really good opponent the whole tournament) and then the Scud.

canuckfan
06-20-2009, 07:38 PM
I would say that a fair number of other slams had softer draws than the one fed faced this year at the FO. The only thing missing was nadal, and fed beat the guy who beat nadal. murray is not a force on clay. if djoko loses to kohlschreiber 4,4 and 4 than he wouldn't be any better than del potro. If nadal is in the final i agree fed probably loses. But all you can do is beat who you face. No if's ands or buts. A slam is a slam. 2 weeks, best of 5, best 100 or so players in the world, last man standing wins.

gj011
06-20-2009, 07:39 PM
You could troll better than that. Federer's Wimbledon 2003 was very easy. Didn't play a single seeded player until the QF (Schalken? Please), Roddick in the SF (only really good opponent the whole tournament) and then the Scud.

No really, Fed's draw and opponents were joke on this FO.

capriatifanatic
06-20-2009, 07:40 PM
djokovic AO 2008 !

Yeah I agree. A washed up Hewitt, little David Ferrer with his inflated ranking coming off his fluke 2007 which is proven by how far his ranking has dropped since, a sick mono ridden Federer, then first time finalist and unseeded Tsonga.

abmk
06-20-2009, 07:42 PM
No really, Fed's draw and opponents were joke on this FO.

I agree >> djokovic as projected SF opponent is a joke , I mean one who loses to streaky kohl 4-6,4-6,4-6 has to be :rolleyes:

Breaker
06-20-2009, 07:42 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i104/Nutty_Psycho/flamewar.jpg

thalivest
06-20-2009, 07:43 PM
Kafelnikov's 2 slam titles. The best people he beat were Todd Martin on a hard court and Pete Sampras on clay. Actually Agassi's draw to the 1999 French Open, 2002 Australian Open, and 2003 Australian Open titles were pretty much a joke too.

abmk
06-20-2009, 07:45 PM
You could troll better than that. Federer's Wimbledon 2003 was very easy. Didn't play a single seeded player until the QF (Schalken? Please), Roddick in the SF (only really good opponent the whole tournament) and then the Scud.

scud was playing more than decently in that tournament

thalivest
06-20-2009, 07:45 PM
Not suprising that the two draws you have listed are both from 2003, a transition period in the mens game where no single player was dominating all year round.

The transition period in mens tennis was 2000-2003. I am not surprised you will never admit that given that three of your favorites profited from it (well one wasnt even able to make much out of it in all honesty). 2002 was the worst year for mens tennis ever probably.

gj011
06-20-2009, 07:46 PM
I agree >> djokovic as projected SF opponent is a joke , I mean one who loses to streaky kohl 4-6,4-6,4-6 has to be :rolleyes:

I also agree that Federer in the SF of AO 2008 was a joke opponent. Djokovic spanked him easily in three sets.

thalivest
06-20-2009, 07:46 PM
scud was playing more than decently in that tournament

Yeah but he still isnt that tough an opponent. Not for Federer. Lets be real here.

gj011
06-20-2009, 07:46 PM
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i104/Nutty_Psycho/flamewar.jpg

No flame wars here, at least as far as I am concerned.

abmk
06-20-2009, 07:48 PM
I also agree that Federer in the SF of AO 2008 was a joke opponent. Djokovic spanked him easily in three sets.

a sick federer .....

Breaker
06-20-2009, 07:49 PM
The transition period in mens tennis was 2000-2003. I am not surprised you will never admit that given that three of your favorites profited from it (well one wasnt even able to make much out of it in all honesty). 2002 was the worst year for mens tennis ever probably.

Do explain.

grafselesfan
06-20-2009, 07:49 PM
I would say Hewitt at 2002 Wimbledon was probably the easiest draw ever to a slam title:
R128 Jonas Bjorkman (SWE) ranked 47 6-4, 7-5, 6-1
R64 Gregory Carraz (FRA) ranked 168 6-4, 7-6(5), 6-2
R32 Julian Knowle (AUT) ranked 95 6-2, 6-1, 6-3
R16 Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) ranked 61 6-3, 6-3, 7-5
Q Sjeng Schalken (NED) ranked 23 6-2, 6-2, 6-7(5), 1-6, 7-5
S Tim Henman (GBR) ranked 5 7-5, 6-1, 7-5
W David Nalbandian (ARG) ranked 32 6-1, 6-3, 6-2

フェデラー
06-20-2009, 07:50 PM
I also agree that Federer in the SF of AO 2008 was a joke opponent. Djokovic spanked him easily in three sets.

Yea FO 2009 a joke. Juan Martin Del Potro and the man who raped Nadal are nobodies.

NamRanger
06-20-2009, 07:51 PM
I would say Hewitt at 2002 Wimbledon was probably the easiest draw ever to a slam title:
R128 Jonas Bjorkman (SWE) ranked 47 6-4, 7-5, 6-1
R64 Gregory Carraz (FRA) ranked 168 6-4, 7-6(5), 6-2
R32 Julian Knowle (AUT) ranked 95 6-2, 6-1, 6-3
R16 Mikhail Youzhny (RUS) ranked 61 6-3, 6-3, 7-5
Q Sjeng Schalken (NED) ranked 23 6-2, 6-2, 6-7(5), 1-6, 7-5
S Tim Henman (GBR) ranked 5 7-5, 6-1, 7-5
W David Nalbandian (ARG) ranked 32 6-1, 6-3, 6-2


Bjorkman and Henman are not easy on grass. Heck, Schalken is halfway decent on grass. The problem was that the grass had already slowed down by a drastic amount in 2002, so Hewitt made short work of his opponents. That Henman/Hewitt match should have been alot more competitive than it was.

フェデラー
06-20-2009, 07:51 PM
No flame wars here, at least as far as I am concerned.
YOu know who else are joke opponents. Or easy beats. Djokovic, Ivanavic and Jankovic.

abmk
06-20-2009, 07:52 PM
Yeah but he still isnt that tough an opponent. Not for Federer. Lets be real here.

Well, he isn't , but then not many are ; I'd look at it from the point of view of the whole field also

thalivest
06-20-2009, 07:56 PM
Do explain.

Easily:

-Thomas Johansson and a way past his prime Albert Costa winning slams in the SAME year

-Scheng Schalken having match point on the eventual champion in the Wimbledon quarters then reaching the U.S Open semis

-a pre-prime Nalbandian reaching the Wimbledon final on grass, his worst surface by far

-the final 8 of Wimbledon that year including Malisse, Nalbandian, Kratochvil, Schalken, Lapentti, and a nearly retired/injured Krajicek as 6 of the final 8. A Malisse-Nalbandian semifinal of Wimbledon that year

-a Johansson-Jiri Novak semifinal at the Australian Open that year too.

-Tommy Haas reaching #2 in the World September that year despite a semifinal, a 4th round, a 4th round, and a DNP for his slam resuts for the year and 0 tournament titles for the year up until then.

-Johansson, Bjorkman, Koubek, an aging Ferreira, a washed up Rios, Novak as 6 of your final 8 at the Australian Open that year.

grafselesfan
06-20-2009, 07:59 PM
Bjorkman and Henman are not easy on grass. Heck, Schalken is halfway decent on grass. The problem was that the grass had already slowed down by a drastic amount in 2002, so Hewitt made short work of his opponents. That Henman/Hewitt match should have been alot more competitive than it was.

Henman is obviously a good grass court player but Henman was playing horrible at that years Wimbledon if you remember. Losing sets and nearly losing to players he would normally beat easily on grass. He only beat Kratochvil in the quarters because Kratochvil choked since Kratochvil outplayed him the whole match pretty much. On top of that Hewitt always owned Henman on all surfaces, even back when he was a teenaged up and comer and Henman was at his career peak. Henman is just an easy and dream matchup for Hewitt.

NamRanger
06-20-2009, 08:01 PM
Henman is obviously a good grass court player but Henman was playing horrible at that years Wimbledon if you remember. Losing sets and nearly losing to players he would normally beat easily on grass. He only beat Kratochvil in the quarters because Kratochvil choked since Kratochvil outplayed him the whole match pretty much. On top of that Hewitt always owned Henman on all surfaces, even back when he was a teenaged up and comer and Henman was at his career peak. Henman is just an easy and dream matchup for Hewitt.



He was playing pretty bad, but I think most of it was attributed to the fact that AELTC decided that the year that Henman had his best shot at winning Wimbledon, they decided "OH LET'S SLOW DOWN THE GRASS FOR FUN!"


He was still nailing his corners with his serve, and making great volleys. It's just that his opponents had better looks at his serves, and more opportunities to pass due to the change with the grass.





If the grass was still fast, I still think Henman has a shot at beating Hewitt. Hewitt does enter the match as a big favorite, but I don't think he would have dominated the way he did there.

JennyS
06-20-2009, 08:04 PM
You could troll better than that. Federer's Wimbledon 2003 was very easy. Didn't play a single seeded player until the QF (Schalken? Please), Roddick in the SF (only really good opponent the whole tournament) and then the Scud.

I agree with Wimby 2003 being one of his weaker draws. Also AO 2006 was weaker than FO 2009:

AO 2006:
R128 Denis Istomin (UZB) 195 W 6-2, 6-3, 6-2
R64 Florian Mayer (GER) 69 W 6-1, 6-4, 6-0
R32 Max Mirnyi (BLR) 34 W 6-3, 6-4, 6-3
R16 Tommy Haas (GER) 41 W 6-4, 6-0, 3-6, 4-6, 6-2
Q Nikolay Davydenko (RUS) 5 W 6-4, 3-6, 7-6(7), 7-6(5)
S Nicolas Kiefer (GER) 25 W 6-3, 5-7, 6-0, 6-2
W Marcos Baghdatis (CYP) 54 W 5-7, 7-5, 6-0, 6-2

FO 2009:
Round Opponent Ranking Score
R128 Alberto Martin (ESP) 98 W 6-4, 6-3, 6-2
R64 Jose Acasuso (ARG) 45 W 7-6(8), 5-7, 7-6(2), 6-2
R32 Paul-Henri Mathieu (FRA) 35 W 4-6, 6-1, 6-4, 6-4
R16 Tommy Haas (GER) 63 W 6-7(4), 5-7, 6-4, 6-0, 6-2
Q Gael Monfils (FRA) 10 W 7-6(6), 6-2, 6-4
S Juan Martin del Potro (ARG) 5 W 3-6, 7-6(2), 2-6, 6-1, 6-4
W Robin Soderling (SWE) 25 W 6-1, 7-6(1), 6-4

FO 2009>AO 2006

grafselesfan
06-20-2009, 08:04 PM
He was playing pretty bad, but I think most of it was attributed to the fact that AELTC decided that the year that Henman had his best shot at winning Wimbledon, they decided "OH LET'S SLOW DOWN THE GRASS FOR FUN!"


He was still nailing his corners with his serve, and making great volleys. It's just that his opponents had better looks at his serves, and more opportunities to pass due to the change with the grass.

Actually you are probably right. I was wondering why he looked so bad at that years Wimbledon but it is probably attributal to the slowed conditions you speak of. I mean even in 2004 when he had a really good year, his last really good year on tour, he reached the semis of the French and U.S Opens and only the quarters at Wimbledon! When he is having better results everywhere else but Wimbledon you can tell something strange might be up.

It is silly the All England club would jeapordize Henman's chances in his final years of chance once Sampras's dominance there was over.

NamRanger
06-20-2009, 08:07 PM
Actually you are probably right. I was wondering why he looked so bad at that years Wimbledon but it is probably attributal to the slowed conditions you speak of. I mean even in 2004 when he had a really good year, his last really good year on tour, he reached the semis of the French and U.S Opens and only the quarters at Wimbledon! When he is having better results everywhere else but Wimbledon you can tell something strange might be up.

It is silly the All England club would jeapordize Henman's chances in his final years of chance once Sampras's dominance there was over.



Well not just that, Rafter was gone, Goran wasn't playing, Agassi wasn't playing that well either. Heck, all of the great grass court players were essentially retired/injured. Who was left? Tim Henman. Sampras was playing well below his standards, and did not look great going into Wimbledon either. I mean, the top 16 seeds with the exception of Henman and Hewitt all lost early on (no one else made it past the 3rd round but Hewitt and Henman).

Breaker
06-20-2009, 08:29 PM
Easily:

-Thomas Johansson and a way past his prime Albert Costa winning slams in the SAME year

-Scheng Schalken having match point on the eventual champion in the Wimbledon quarters then reaching the U.S Open semis

-a pre-prime Nalbandian reaching the Wimbledon final on grass, his worst surface by far

-the final 8 of Wimbledon that year including Malisse, Nalbandian, Kratochvil, Schalken, Lapentti, and a nearly retired/injured Krajicek as 6 of the final 8. A Malisse-Nalbandian semifinal of Wimbledon that year

-a Johansson-Jiri Novak semifinal at the Australian Open that year too.

-Tommy Haas reaching #2 in the World September that year despite a semifinal, a 4th round, a 4th round, and a DNP for his slam resuts for the year and 0 tournament titles for the year up until then.

-Johansson, Bjorkman, Koubek, an aging Ferreira, a washed up Rios, Novak as 6 of your final 8 at the Australian Open that year.

Interesting. Personally I don't view Johannson and Costa winning slams as making it a bad year - simply that they caused big upsets in beating down Safin and Ferrero respectively in their finals (and a Ferrero who had to go through a VERY difficult draw to get there as well).

Schalken performed well that year and also had results similar to that in other years at slams. Is that any worse than Bjorkman/Schuettler making Wimbledon semis way past their primes or Clement making the Wimbledon quarters last year? Just shows that occasionally good players can make runs in slams - even if they fall short eventually.

Nalbandian has been more consistent on grass than US Open hardcourts, though really he has never been consistent throughout his entire career and it is hard to iron out a definite prime for him. I agree that if say Henman and Malisse's roles were switched Nalbandian would not have made the finals, very fortunate on that front.

As for the final 8 draws there have been many weak ones throughout history - just they are forgotten because the guys like Johannson usually don't come through to beat the top player in Safin. Honestly I think if Safin and Ferrero had played up to their potential in those finals 2002 would have been seen in a FAR more positive light. However, that didn't happen so I suppose those upsets could make it seem like a far weaker year than it really was.

Lion King
06-20-2009, 08:44 PM
I guess everyone in the history of tennis who didn't have to play Nadal on the way to winning the title had a cakewalk draw, according to some people on this forum...

T1000
06-20-2009, 08:51 PM
djokovic ao 2008. he had trouble beating a tired hewitt, pathetic ferrer, sick federer, and a first time finalist tsonga

Spider
06-20-2009, 08:54 PM
AO 08 easily. Djokovic had the opportunity that many other players (not named Nadal) would die for - playing an unhealthy Federer.

That's why Murray is a greater player as compared to Djokovic, Murray wasn't that lucky at the US open that year. :evil:

Nanshiki
06-20-2009, 10:34 PM
Luck is part of skill.

Blinkism
06-20-2009, 10:42 PM
Federer FO 2009.

I don't think it's the weakest draw ever, but anyone who claims that it was a though draw is only basing it on the fact that some guys gave Fed a tough time, but you have to remember Mathieu, Acasuso, Haas, and Del Potro don't exactly instill fear in the rest of the ATP.. especially the first three (Delpo has proven himself, but by Fed's standards- he is not a real bona fide threat).

But someone of Fed's level isn't going to have a hard draw, just because of the high level he's set for himself. Unless he faces in-form Top 20 players for the last four rounds of a GS, then people won't see Fed as having a hard draw.

Nadal_Freak
06-20-2009, 10:42 PM
Federer FO 2009.
Exactly what I was thinking. What a joke of a draw Fed had. Agassi in 1999 RG as well. But Moya>Del Potro

Matt H.
06-20-2009, 10:44 PM
i completely discredited this thread when someone says Andy Roddick's '03 US Open Draw.

This first 2 round opponents were #33 and #43.

He played the highest ranked non-seed in the first round.

Nadal_Freak
06-20-2009, 10:45 PM
i completely discredited this thread when someone says Andy Roddick's '03 US Open Draw.

This first 2 round opponents were #33 and #43.

He played the highest ranked non-seed in the first round.
The early rounds mean very little in the grand scheme of things. QF's-Final is usually remembered if it is a joke draw or not.

Dean
06-20-2009, 10:51 PM
Wimbledon 1973

Matt H.
06-20-2009, 10:53 PM
well now you're getting into huge statistical variabilities when you're talking about 4-5 matches into a 7 match tournament.

Top 5 seeds are generally playing low ranked challenger level players, qualifers, or wildcards in the opening rounds of a slam. Roddick was playing grand slam semi-finalist and top 5 (at one point) players.

Henman went on to win the paris masters shield after that open in the fall.

World Beater
06-20-2009, 10:54 PM
roddick's draw was certainly not a joke.

federer's draws also not a joke

agassi draw close to a joke.

pete sampras also has an easy draw at wimbledon i remember one year.

NamRanger
06-20-2009, 11:07 PM
I don't think it's the weakest draw ever, but anyone who claims that it was a though draw is only basing it on the fact that some guys gave Fed a tough time, but you have to remember Mathieu, Acasuso, Haas, and Del Potro don't exactly instill fear in the rest of the ATP.. especially the first three (Delpo has proven himself, but by Fed's standards- he is not a real bona fide threat).

But someone of Fed's level isn't going to have a hard draw, just because of the high level he's set for himself. Unless he faces in-form Top 20 players for the last four rounds of a GS, then people won't see Fed as having a hard draw.



Mathieu nearly beat Nadal at the FO one year, and Haas was ranked 2 in the world at sometime (even if it was a weak era, it's still WORLD #2). Heck, even after surgeries and injuries, he still managed to claw his way back into the top 10 in 2007 IIRC.

zagor
06-20-2009, 11:12 PM
Exactly what I was thinking. What a joke of a draw Fed had. Agassi in 1999 RG as well. But Moya>Del Potro

I think people seriously underestimate how talented Medvedev was on clay,the guy pummeled Kuerten that RG.He was also very dominant in Hamburg.The guy was lazy and had that bit of a mercenary mentality,playing for money but if he had proper motivation and worked harder I think he would have won RG more than once.Did you watch that guy play? If so then you know he was great on clay when he was on.

NamRanger
06-20-2009, 11:13 PM
I think people seriously underestimate how talented Medvedev was on clay,the guy pummeled Kuerten that RG.He was also very dominant in Hamburg.The guy was lazy and had that bit of a mercenary mentality,playing for money but if he had proper motivation and worked harder I think he would have won RG more than once.Did you watch that guy play? If so then you know he was great on clay when he was on.


Oh Medvedev. The 90s equivalent of Guillermo Coria.

Blinkism
06-20-2009, 11:19 PM
Mathieu nearly beat Nadal at the FO one year, and Haas was ranked 2 in the world at sometime (even if it was a weak era, it's still WORLD #2). Heck, even after surgeries and injuries, he still managed to claw his way back into the top 10 in 2007 IIRC.

I don't disagree that these guys were good at one point, but the fact is except for Del Potro who would have predicted these guys would have taken a set off Fed?

And I remember the Mathieu-Nadal match in 2006 and no... he did not nearly beat Nadal.. that's like saying Mathieu nearly beat Federer in the 2009 FO..

And Haas was not doing anything of note this year until he faced Fed.

Sorry, the 2009 FO was not a difficult draw for Fed from the get-go.. he made it difficult by not being able to blow these guys off the court.

Blinkism
06-20-2009, 11:21 PM
I think people seriously underestimate how talented Medvedev was on clay,the guy pummeled Kuerten that RG.He was also very dominant in Hamburg.The guy was lazy and had that bit of a mercenary mentality,playing for money but if he had proper motivation and worked harder I think he would have won RG more than once.Did you watch that guy play? If so then you know he was great on clay when he was on.

I fully agree! The guy is one of the most underrated clay courters of the 90's...

but in '99 he wasn't doing much, from what I remember. He was good in the mid 90's, I recall (I only started watching tennis then so it's tough to remember)...

jamesblakefan#1
06-20-2009, 11:23 PM
Sampras Wimbledon 2000

R128 Jiri Vanek (CZE) 80 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
R64 Karol Kucera (SVK) 44 7-6(9), 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
R32 Justin Gimelstob (USA) 99 2-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
R16 Jonas Bjorkman (SWE) 78 6-3, 6-2, 7-5
Q Jan-Michael Gambill (USA) 56 6-4, 6-7(4), 6-4,6-4
S Vladimir Voltchkov (BLR) 237 7-6(4), 6-2, 6-4
W Patrick Rafter (AUS) 21 6-7(10), 7-6(5), 6-4, 6-2

No one top 20. Only 2 top 50. Qualifier Voltchov in the Semis. At the very least, worse than Fed at the French.

NamRanger
06-20-2009, 11:25 PM
I don't disagree that these guys were good at one point, but the fact is except for Del Potro who would have predicted these guys would have taken a set off Fed?

And I remember the Mathieu-Nadal match in 2006 and no... he did not nearly beat Nadal.. that's like saying Mathieu nearly beat Federer in the 2009 FO..

And Haas was not doing anything of note this year until he faced Fed.

Sorry, the 2009 FO was not a difficult draw for Fed from the get-go.. he made it difficult by not being able to blow these guys off the court.



I don't think you quite remember how much danger Nadal was. Mathieu was absolutely slugging the felt off the ball, and was playing at a level that would have probably beaten Roger this year. Nadal had to make a very questionable injury timeout (banana lodged in his throat) in the second set, and was still in trouble throughout the match. Mathieu had ample opportunities to break Nadal; he just didn't capitalize.

Blinkism
06-20-2009, 11:32 PM
I don't think you quite remember how much danger Nadal was. Mathieu was absolutely slugging the felt off the ball, and was playing at a level that would have probably beaten Roger this year. Nadal had to make a very questionable injury timeout (banana lodged in his throat) in the second set, and was still in trouble throughout the match. Mathieu had ample opportunities to break Nadal; he just didn't capitalize.

Yeah, but it's the same story as the Fed-Mathieu match.. The better player found their second gear and Mathieu doesn't have a second gear.

Didn't Mathieu take the first set off Fed and give him trouble in the next two sets?

Same story.

I'm not calling the draw a cakewalk, here. I'm just saying it wasn't tough by Fed's standards... it was meh.. Especially when people anticipated that he'd have to play Djokovic and Nadal in order to win (I know, I know, not his fault that they didn't make it meet him, but either way it doesn't take away from the fact that his draw wasn't tough by his standards).

zagor
06-20-2009, 11:33 PM
Oh Medvedev. The 90s equivalent of Guillermo Coria.

Yeah,both huge underachievers.Coria should have won RG in 2004 and I would have strongly disagreed if someone told me that's his last RG final then.

I fully agree! The guy is one of the most underrated clay courters of the 90's...

but in '99 he wasn't doing much, from what I remember. He was good in the mid 90's, I recall (I only started watching tennis then so it's tough to remember)...

He was ranked very low in '99 but that proves my point even more.He came out of nowhere(kinda like Safin did in AO 2004) and beat the crap out of everyone even Agassi in the finals for first 2 sets and part of third set.It proves his talent even more that he can just come out of nowhere like that and play the way he did.I also started following tennis in early-mid 90s although I was a kid then.

Blinkism
06-20-2009, 11:34 PM
Sampras Wimbledon 2000

R128 Jiri Vanek (CZE) 80 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
R64 Karol Kucera (SVK) 44 7-6(9), 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
R32 Justin Gimelstob (USA) 99 2-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
R16 Jonas Bjorkman (SWE) 78 6-3, 6-2, 7-5
Q Jan-Michael Gambill (USA) 56 6-4, 6-7(4), 6-4,6-4
S Vladimir Voltchkov (BLR) 237 7-6(4), 6-2, 6-4
W Patrick Rafter (AUS) 21 6-7(10), 7-6(5), 6-4, 6-2

No one top 20. Only 2 top 50. Qualifier Voltchov in the Semis. At the very least, worse than Fed at the French.

Where did Voltchkov go? He was absolutely on fire that year.

And yeah, nice find jamesblakefan... This is definitely my vote for easiest draw, for all the ones I've seen in this thread.

NamRanger
06-20-2009, 11:35 PM
Yeah, but it's the same story as the Fed-Mathieu match.. The better player found their second gear and Mathieu doesn't have a second gear.

Didn't Mathieu take the first set off Fed and give him trouble in the next two sets?

Same story.

I'm not calling the draw a cakewalk, here. I'm just saying it wasn't tough by Fed's standards... it was meh.. Especially when people anticipated that he'd have to play Djokovic and Nadal in order to win (I know, I know, not his fault that they didn't make it meet him, but either way it doesn't take away from the fact that his draw wasn't tough by his standards).



The difference was that clearly Federer was playing bad. Here, Nadal was playing really well, hitting the ball cleanly and with alot of depth. Except, PHM crushed it back with some interest on it. The way PHM was playing that match, I find it hard to believe he isn't in the top 20 at least.

zagor
06-20-2009, 11:39 PM
Yeah, but it's the same story as the Fed-Mathieu match.. The better player found their second gear and Mathieu doesn't have a second gear.

Didn't Mathieu take the first set off Fed and give him trouble in the next two sets?

Same story.

I'm not calling the draw a cakewalk, here. I'm just saying it wasn't tough by Fed's standards... it was meh.. Especially when people anticipated that he'd have to play Djokovic and Nadal in order to win (I know, I know, not his fault that they didn't make it meet him, but either way it doesn't take away from the fact that his draw wasn't tough by his standards).

I may be mistaken but I think Mathieu was also up a break in second set against Nadal,so he was up a set and a break if I remember well while Fed won the second set 6-1 this year against Mathieu.So I think Mathieu gave a tougher match to Nadal at RG that year than he did to Fed this year.

Blinkism
06-20-2009, 11:40 PM
The difference was that clearly Federer was playing bad. Here, Nadal was playing really well, hitting the ball cleanly and with alot of depth. Except, PHM crushed it back with some interest on it. The way PHM was playing that match, I find it hard to believe he isn't in the top 20 at least.

Let's agree to disagree because I'm not going to agree that Nadal was playing really well. He got off to a bad start, IMO.

Let's get past the Mathieu issue and agree, objectively, that Fed's FO 2009 draw wasn't that difficult, by his standards. Not Fed's fault, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it happened. Surely, he's had tougher draws.

jamesblakefan#1
06-20-2009, 11:52 PM
Wasn't that the match that Nadal choked on a banana? I just wanted to bring up Nadal choking on a banana lol. Seriously though, who chokes on a banana?

Cenc
06-21-2009, 12:03 AM
most of feds draws :D
and yeah that agassis draw was quite easy

jamesblakefan#1
06-21-2009, 12:07 AM
most of feds draws :D
and yeah that agassis draw was quite easy

You must've posted w/o seeing this one.

Sampras Wimbledon 2000

R128 Jiri Vanek (CZE) 80 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
R64 Karol Kucera (SVK) 44 7-6(9), 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
R32 Justin Gimelstob (USA) 99 2-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
R16 Jonas Bjorkman (SWE) 78 6-3, 6-2, 7-5
Q Jan-Michael Gambill (USA) 56 6-4, 6-7(4), 6-4,6-4
S Vladimir Voltchkov (BLR) 237 7-6(4), 6-2, 6-4
W Patrick Rafter (AUS) 21 6-7(10), 7-6(5), 6-4, 6-2

No one top 20. Only 2 top 50. Qualifier Voltchov at #237 in the Semis. At the very least, worse than Fed at the French.

Cesc Fabregas
06-21-2009, 12:19 AM
You must've posted w/o seeing this one.

Sampras Wimbledon 2000

R128 Jiri Vanek (CZE) 80 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
R64 Karol Kucera (SVK) 44 7-6(9), 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
R32 Justin Gimelstob (USA) 99 2-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
R16 Jonas Bjorkman (SWE) 78 6-3, 6-2, 7-5
Q Jan-Michael Gambill (USA) 56 6-4, 6-7(4), 6-4,6-4
S Vladimir Voltchkov (BLR) 237 7-6(4), 6-2, 6-4
W Patrick Rafter (AUS) 21 6-7(10), 7-6(5), 6-4, 6-2

No one top 20. Only 2 top 50. Qualifier Voltchov at #237 in the Semis. At the very least, worse than Fed at the French.


Sampras was on 1 leg that tournament so it was a great achievement he won.

jamesblakefan#1
06-21-2009, 12:22 AM
Still doesn't change the fact it was a weak draw.

MarcRosset1992
06-21-2009, 01:07 AM
My pick is Andre Agassi, 2003 Australian Open:

R128 Brian Vahaly (USA) 93 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-3
R64 Hyung-Taik Lee (KOR) 67 W 6-1, 6-0, 6-0
R32 Nicolas Escude (FRA) 37 W 6-2, 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
R16 Guillermo Coria (ARG) 45 W 6-1, 3-1 RET
Q Sebastien Grosjean (FRA) 16 W 6-3, 6-2, 6-2
S Wayne Ferreira (RSA) 39 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-3
W Rainer Schuettler (GER) 36 W 6-2, 6-2, 6-1

Seriously, can anyone top this?

Waw, some off-season challengers have tougher draws than this one

NamRanger
06-21-2009, 01:37 AM
Let's agree to disagree because I'm not going to agree that Nadal was playing really well. He got off to a bad start, IMO.

Let's get past the Mathieu issue and agree, objectively, that Fed's FO 2009 draw wasn't that difficult, by his standards. Not Fed's fault, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it happened. Surely, he's had tougher draws.


So a whole slew of talented veterans (such as Acusouco or Haas) or dangerous young guns (Monfils, Del Potro, PHM) or the GUY WHO TOOK OUT FREAKING NADAL, isn't a hard draw?



I think you're being just a little biased here. Was the draw of death like Goran's 92 Wimbledon? No. It wasn't a cakewalk like some of Nadal's draws though.




I mean, what is a hard draw for Federer than? See his Wimbledon 06 draw? That would have murdered most players. Gasquet, Henman, Mahut, Berdych, Ancic, Bjorkman, then Nadal. Guess what. He lost 0 sets going into the final. I think it's fair to say that Federer makes alot of draws look easy, when in reality, they aren't.





I mean to be quite honest, if Nadal had won Wimbledon 06, that would have been the most laughable draw ever. 2 Qualiess, 1 WC, a crippled Agassi, and the highest seed he played was Marcos Baghdatis (18 ). There is no way, any of Federer's draws top that.

Blue Drop
06-21-2009, 08:56 AM
AO 08 easily. Djokovic had the opportunity that many other players (not named Nadal) would die for - playing an unhealthy Federer.

That's why Murray is a greater player as compared to Djokovic, Murray wasn't that lucky at the US open that year. :evil:

Agreed 100%. AO 08 the easiest draw so far. And of course, we haven't seen anything from Djokovic since, despite his boasting and posturing.

thalivest
06-21-2009, 09:52 AM
Sampras Wimbledon 2000

R128 Jiri Vanek (CZE) 80 6-4, 6-4, 6-2
R64 Karol Kucera (SVK) 44 7-6(9), 3-6, 6-3, 6-4
R32 Justin Gimelstob (USA) 99 2-6, 6-4, 6-2, 6-2
R16 Jonas Bjorkman (SWE) 78 6-3, 6-2, 7-5
Q Jan-Michael Gambill (USA) 56 6-4, 6-7(4), 6-4,6-4
S Vladimir Voltchkov (BLR) 237 7-6(4), 6-2, 6-4
W Patrick Rafter (AUS) 21 6-7(10), 7-6(5), 6-4, 6-2

No one top 20. Only 2 top 50. Qualifier Voltchov in the Semis. At the very least, worse than Fed at the French.

380pistol would be going into spasms now.

joeri888
06-21-2009, 10:02 AM
Andy Roddick's 2003 USO draw wasn't exactly the toughest either and he played an exhausted Ferrero in the final:

R128 Tim Henman (GBR) 33 W 6-3, 7-6(2), 6-3
R64 Ivan Ljubicic (CRO) 43 W 6-3, 6-7(4), 6-3, 7-6(
R32 Flavio Saretta (BRA) 49 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-3
R16 Xavier Malisse (BEL) 67 W 6-3, 6-4, 7-6(5)
Q Sjeng Schalken (NED) 12 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-3
S David Nalbandian (ARG) 13 W 6-7(4), 3-6, 7-6(7), 6-1, 6-3
W Juan Carlos Ferrero (ESP) 3 W 6-3, 7-6(2), 6-3

You could troll better than that. Federer's Wimbledon 2003 was very easy. Didn't play a single seeded player until the QF (Schalken? Please), Roddick in the SF (only really good opponent the whole tournament) and then the Scud.

What are you guys talking about. Schalken was a very accomplished player who ranked 11th at the world at best, made two Wimbledon quarterfinals and a US Open Semifinal. He was good on quick courts and should arguably have beaten Hewitt in their 2002 Wimbledon encounter, after being two sets down. At 6 all in the fifth set, Schalken got a VERY BAD linecall which eventually cost him the match 8-6. Surely we've seen worse draws than that.

viduka0101
06-21-2009, 01:07 PM
2006 Australian Open, A.Mauresmo
R128 Sun Tiantian 46 62 62
R64 Loit 76(1) 62
R32 Krajicek 62 ret.
R16 Vaidisova(16) 61 61
Q Schnyder(7) 63 60
S Clijsters(2) 57 62 32 ret.
F Henin-Hardene(8) 61 20 ret.
can anyone top this?

and i cant believe roddicks draw is called a cakewalk, this guy deserves a lot more respect on this foru than he gets

on the mens side my pick is P.Sampras 2000 Wimby

capriatifanatic
06-21-2009, 01:09 PM
What are you guys talking about. Schalken was a very accomplished player who ranked 11th at the world at best, made two Wimbledon quarterfinals and a US Open Semifinal. He was good on quick courts and should arguably have beaten Hewitt in their 2002 Wimbledon encounter, after being two sets down. At 6 all in the fifth set, Schalken got a VERY BAD linecall which eventually cost him the match 8-6. Surely we've seen worse draws than that.

How is Schalken reaching so high and doing so well a sign of the field being strong at the time. The guy had a serve of a weak WTA player and was a tall baseliner who played far behind the baseline and had no weapons. How he did as well as he did those couple years are baffling to me other than the weak field.

BigServer1
06-21-2009, 01:12 PM
Easiest? Pretty much every single one of Federer's Slams were because of a cakewalk, easy, sad draw full of losers.

Hardest draws ever? Every time Nadal wins (or loses) a Slam, he has the hardest draw ever.

joeri888
06-21-2009, 01:12 PM
How is Schalken reaching so high and doing so well a sign of the field being strong at the time. The guy had a serve of a weak WTA player and was a tall baseliner who played far behind the baseline and had no weapons. How he did as well as he did those couple years are baffling to me other than the weak field.

I'm not saying anything about the field. I just don't see Schalken being that 'easy' a draw. Schalken didn't play THAT far behind the baseline, and had one of the most lethal backhands around. His inside-out backhand was deadly, and his overall baseline game was only slightly worse than Hewitt's. Of course, 2001-2003 wasn't the strongest era in tennis, but Sjeng was a good player and by no means one of the easiest possible draws in GS history

rwn
06-21-2009, 01:27 PM
Sampras has 2 nice draws in a row:

Wimbledon, England; 22.06.1998; GS; Outdoor: Grass; Draw: 128

Round Opponent Ranking Score
R128 Dominik Hrbaty (SVK) 46 W 6-3, 6-3, 6-2 Stats
R64 Mikael Tillstrom (SWE) N/A W 6-4, 6-4, 7-6(4) Stats
R32 Thomas Enqvist (SWE) 17 W 6-3, 7-6(4), 7-6(3) Stats
R16 Sebastien Grosjean (FRA) 117 W 6-3, 6-4, 6-4 Stats
Q Mark Philippoussis (AUS) 28 W 7-6(5), 6-4, 6-4 Stats
S Tim Henman (GBR) 18 W 6-3, 4-6, 7-5, 6-3 Stats
W Goran Ivanisevic (CRO) 25 W 6-7(2), 7-6(9), 6-4, 3-6, 6-2 Stats

This Event Points: 958, South African Airways ATP Ranking: 1, Prize Money: $727,146

Wimbledon, England; 23.06.1997; GS; Outdoor: Grass; Draw: 128

Round Opponent Ranking Score
R128 Mikael Tillstrom (SWE) 54 W 6-4, 6-4, 6-2 Stats
R64 Hendrik Dreekmann (GER) 78 W 7-6(2), 7-5, 7-5 Stats
R32 Byron Black () 65 W 6-1, 6-2, 6-2 Stats
R16 Petr Korda (CZE) 24 W 6-4, 6-3, 6-7(8), 6-7(1), 6-4 Stats
Q Boris Becker (GER) 18 W 6-1, 6-7(5), 6-1, 6-4 Stats
S Todd Woodbridge (AUS) 37 W 6-2, 6-1, 7-6(3) Stats
W Cedric Pioline (FRA) 44 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-4 Stats

joeri888
06-21-2009, 01:29 PM
Disagree with the 1998 one, Philipousis, Henman and Goran are all accomplished grasscourters.

capriatifanatic
06-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Goran was clearly past his prime at Wimbledon 98, it was a big surprise he made the final. Philipoussiss is way overrated, if he was an easy draw for Roger in 2003 than he was easy for Pete in 1998 too as he was no better in 1998 than 2003 really. Henman isnt up with the big guns of tennis, never was.

rwn
06-21-2009, 01:31 PM
Yeah but he still isnt that tough an opponent. Not for Federer. Lets be real here.

Exactly. He was a tough opponent for Sampras who wasn't a great returner, but not for Federer.

rwn
06-21-2009, 01:33 PM
Disagree with the 1998 one, Philipousis, Henman and Goran are all accomplished grasscourters.

Check their rankings in 1998.

Madhoshi22
06-21-2009, 01:36 PM
380pistol would be going into spasms now.

LOL 10 char. Where is he? Did he get banned?

JennyS
06-21-2009, 01:56 PM
How can anyone call Monfils in the quarters and Del Potro in the semis a WEAK draw? Some people are acting like he played Taylor Dent in the quarters and Robby Ginepri in the semis:)

Here's another pretty weak one:

2001 Australian Open:
R128 Jiri Vanek (CZE) 78 W 6-0, 7-5, 6-3
R64 Paul Goldstein (USA) 80 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-1
R32 David Prinosil (GER) 39 W 7-6(11), 5-0 RET
R16 Andrew Ilie (AUS) 49 W 6-7(1), 6-3, 6-0, 6-3
Q Todd Martin (USA) 54 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-4
S Patrick Rafter (AUS) 15 W 7-5, 2-6, 6-7(5), 6-2, 6-3
W Arnaud Clement (FRA) 18 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-2

World Beater
06-21-2009, 04:37 PM
Yeah but he still isnt that tough an opponent. Not for Federer. Lets be real here.

in 2003, yes he was. federer was not a proven commodity at the time. Federer was the favorite but not a massive one. In fact many tipped roddick over federer in the semis.

if you are talking federer with double digit slams, proven ownage over the field, killer of ball bashers...then no.

of course federer of today would beat scud in his sleep.

but that WASNT the reality in 2003.

NamRanger
06-21-2009, 04:38 PM
in 2003, yes he was. federer was not a proven commodity at the time. Federer was the favorite but not a massive one. In fact many tipped roddick over federer in the semis.

if you are talking federer with double digit slams, proven ownage over the field, killer of ball bashers...then no.

of course federer of today would beat scud in his sleep.

but that WASNT the reality in 2003.


Federer was a big favorite going into that final. A HUGE favorite. Many thought Roddick would actually beat Federer, but Federer ended up crushing Roddick.

World Beater
06-21-2009, 04:38 PM
How can anyone call Monfils in the quarters and Del Potro in the semis a WEAK draw? Some people are acting like he played Taylor Dent in the quarters and Robby Ginepri in the semis:)

Here's another pretty weak one:

2001 Australian Open:
R128 Jiri Vanek (CZE) 78 W 6-0, 7-5, 6-3
R64 Paul Goldstein (USA) 80 W 6-1, 6-3, 6-1
R32 David Prinosil (GER) 39 W 7-6(11), 5-0 RET
R16 Andrew Ilie (AUS) 49 W 6-7(1), 6-3, 6-0, 6-3
Q Todd Martin (USA) 54 W 7-5, 6-3, 6-4
S Patrick Rafter (AUS) 15 W 7-5, 2-6, 6-7(5), 6-2, 6-3
W Arnaud Clement (FRA) 18 W 6-4, 6-2, 6-2


exactly. monfils and del pony are very decent clay court players.

5 years from now. we will be lauding their clay court prowess.

grafrules
06-21-2009, 04:42 PM
exactly. monfils and del pony are very decent clay court players.

5 years from now. we will be lauding their clay court prowess.

Very true. Monfils is only 21 and already has a semifinal and quarterfinal at the French. He will have alot of semis and quarters there by the time his career is over, likely atleast one FO final and atleast one Masters title on clay.

Del Potro has to win the French at some point and will have a slew of results there in the future. Years from now people will look at those as part of part of a tough draw to the title Federer had once Nadal went out, including the on fire Soderling in the final who was in destructive form that tournament but was defused by an on fire Federer in the final.

Both will be looked on as superior clay courters to Sampras in a few years time, that is for sure (their levels of tennis on clay would already beat a prime Sampras 4 times out of 5 on the surface).