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zagor
06-20-2009, 10:46 PM
Does anyone remember if there was a specific reason or explanation why Sampras was put on "graveyard" court in 2002 Wimbledon? I just never quite understood why given the fact that he was a 7 time champion there.

urban
06-20-2009, 11:17 PM
In older times, it was quite usual to let top players play on outside courts. Since 15 years it became common, to save the toppers from playing there. It wasn't nice by the committee to put Sampras, just having lost his crown in 2001, on the Nr.2. But on Centre Court, Agassi lost at the same time, to Srichaphan, if i am right. My assumption is, that there were many, many more upsets, if toppers were sent to outside courts. The strange atmosphere there would hamper them. So its the usual pattern, that the outsider gets nervous, because he plays for the first time on a show court.

I remember, that in 1969 Laver got into trouble, when playing Lall of India on an outside court before 200 people. Nastase, a big favorite in the boycott year 1973, was pitted against Sandy Mayer and lost on Nr.2. Borg ran into deep trouble in 1977, when playing Edmondson in the 2nd round, i think it was Nr.2. McEnroe lost to a Gullikson twin in 1979 on Nr.2, when he was seeded 2. Becker had some tough matches on outside courts, one against Mayotte in 1984. And i recall a prime Sampras match with a big serving Czech, that was quite difficult, although he came through in 3 close sets.

zagor
06-21-2009, 10:37 AM
Thanks for the info urban,appreciate it.

Moose Malloy
06-21-2009, 02:41 PM
Just to clarify, Court 2 is not an outside court & sampras had played there once in the past as a Wimbledon champion(think it was in '97 or '98)

Its not like the Wimbledon committee could've known this would happen, on paper it was a pretty lousy match. I doubt Sampras would have even mentioned this 'slight' had he won.

But the men's matches on Center & #1 that day were a bit questionable.

Agassi-Srichaphan & Safin-Rochus played on Center(both lost, big day of upsets)

Rusedski-Lee & Philippoussis-Enqvist were on #1.

Brits always get more showcourt assignments at Wimbledon over the years than they probably deserve. I was there in '92 when a British journeyman named Jeremy Bates made the 4th round (which was considered a really big deal there for some reason) I recall him playing on Center the same time Edberg was on Court 18(& Edberg was the #2 seed that year!)

btw after Sampras lost, former champ Krajicek played a 5 setter with Blake on Court 2. Good day to get a ticket for that court.

jimbo333
06-21-2009, 03:11 PM
Wimbeldon has a brand new no.2 (graveyard) court this year!!!

The old no.2 court is called no.3 court this year and is being knocked down later in the summer, and a brand new no.3 court is then being built!!!

Oh, and I have a ticket for no.3 court later today (monday), so I hope it dosn't rain:)

Borgforever
06-22-2009, 12:49 PM
Too bad they're knocking it down. The old Court No. 2 (now No. 3 court) is haunted by the 19th century and early 20th century champions -- since its built with woodwork from the old Worple Road Wimby centre court...

Ghosts of the Renshaws, Pim, the Dohertys, Brookes and Wilding et al...

True story...

Cesc Fabregas
06-22-2009, 12:51 PM
Still find it a disgrace that they put the 7 time champ on court 2.

Moose Malloy
06-22-2009, 01:08 PM
found this:

Court 2

2002 Pete Sampras, seven-time champion, defeated by 145th-ranked George Bastl in the second round, 6-3, 6-2, 4-6, 3-6, 6-4.

2001 Lleyton Hewitt, seeded fifth, defeated by 24th-seeded Nicolas Escude in the fourth round, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 4-6, 6-4.

1999 Richard Krajicek, 1996 champion, defeated by Swiss qualifier Lorenzo Manta in the third round, 6-3, 7-6 (5), 4-6, 4-6, 6-4.

1996 Andre Agassi, 1992 champion, defeated by U.S. qualifier Doug Flach in the first round, 2-6, 7-6 (1), 6-4, 7-6 (6).

1991 Pat Cash, 1987 champion, defeated by Thierry Champion in the second round, 7-5, 6-7 (5), 4-6, 6-1, 12-10.

1983 Jimmy Connors, 1974 and 1982 champion, defeated by Kevin Curren in the fourth round, 6-3, 6-7, 6-3, 7-6.

1984 Virginia Wade, 1977 champion, defeated by Swedish qualifier Carina Karlsson in the third round, 6-2, 4-6, 11-9.

1979 John McEnroe, seeded second and later three-time champion, defeated by Tim Gullikson in the fourth round, 6-4, 6-2, 6-4.

1973 Ilie Nastase, seeded No. 1, beaten by Alexander Mayer in the fourth round, 6-4, 8-6, 6-8, 6-4.




Also Serena lost there in '05 & Venus(defending champion) lost there in '06.

Borgforever
06-22-2009, 01:31 PM
Another classy Moose post. I wonder if I live to see the day Mr. Malloy makes an unforced error-post? :-)

jimbo333
06-22-2009, 05:11 PM
Too bad they're knocking it down. The old Court No. 2 (now No. 3 court) is haunted by the 19th century and early 20th century champions -- since its built with woodwork from the old Worple Road Wimby centre court...

Ghosts of the Renshaws, Pim, the Dohertys, Brookes and Wilding et al...

True story...

Well, I was actually there today:)

First match: Blake plays badly and loses (first seed to lose this year)!!!

Second match: Bremond slips and has to retire hurt!!!

I bet the players will be so pleased to see the back of this court:?

urban
06-23-2009, 09:27 AM
Cleary wrote an article today in the New York Times online on the graveyard Nr. 2court. I thought there were a new court this year. From what i read, the old Nr.2 will be demolished after this tournament. Besides: Cleary calls it outside court. Maybe it should read outsider court.

Moose Malloy
06-23-2009, 09:40 AM
I thought there were a new court this year.

Its still there, its now called Court 3. Former champs Hewitt & Mauresmo played there today. While 2 lowly ranked brits were on the new Court 2.

Besides: Cleary calls it outside court

I don't see how a court can be called an outside court if you can only get a seat there with a ticket specifically sold for that court (no grounds passes allowed), which was always the case when it was Court 2(not sure how it is now that it is Court 3)

Center, Court 1, & Court 2 had assigned seating when I was there, all other courts you could sit anywhere.