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batz
06-21-2009, 04:09 AM
But leaves a little sting in the tail:)

Roger Federer has admitted he is wary of the threat posed by British number one Andy Murray as he prepares to kick off his Wimbledon challenge on Monday.

With defending champion Rafael Nadal forced to pull out of the championships through injury, Federer and Murray are now seeded to meet in the 5 July final.

And five-time Wimbledon champion Federer told BBC Sport: "He definitely has a good chance at Wimbledon.

"He handles pressure well and will be a great grass champion for the future."

Murray starts his challenge at the All England Club against American Robert Kendrick on Tuesday, with Nadal's withdrawal leaving him as the highest seed in his half of the draw.

And the Scot is one of the few players with a winning record against Federer, leading their head-to-head clashes 6-2, including victory in their last four meetings.

That, along with his Queens victory last week, has prompted many to install the 22-year-old as one of the favourites to take the title, despite the fact he has never made it past the quarter-finals at SW19.


Federer, who opens proceedings on Centre Court on Monday against Yen-Hsun Lu, agrees: "He has the double-handed back-hand, very unusual, he's a great double-hander, he moves very well for how tall he is.

"I know Queen's is not Wimbledon but I think he takes these things pretty relaxed.

"I think he's become such a good player now it's not going to affect him much and if it does it affects him in a good way."

However, the Swiss has warned against reading too much into his losing record against Murray.

"When it came down to the crunch we've played two times in finals - he played very well but I was able to beat him. Prior to finals he's beaten me," said the 27-year-old.

"I don't want to make excuses but he played me at a time when I had back problems (which) made it hard for me to call on my best performance level.

"He played me the right way and was very successful. He's a great tactician, I like to watch him play - he's a very tough challenge."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/8111440.stm

zagor
06-21-2009, 04:33 AM
But leaves a little sting in the tail:)

Roger Federer has admitted he is wary of the threat posed by British number one Andy Murray as he prepares to kick off his Wimbledon challenge on Monday.

With defending champion Rafael Nadal forced to pull out of the championships through injury, Federer and Murray are now seeded to meet in the 5 July final.

And five-time Wimbledon champion Federer told BBC Sport: "He definitely has a good chance at Wimbledon.

"He handles pressure well and will be a great grass champion for the future."

Murray starts his challenge at the All England Club against American Robert Kendrick on Tuesday, with Nadal's withdrawal leaving him as the highest seed in his half of the draw.

And the Scot is one of the few players with a winning record against Federer, leading their head-to-head clashes 6-2, including victory in their last four meetings.

That, along with his Queens victory last week, has prompted many to install the 22-year-old as one of the favourites to take the title, despite the fact he has never made it past the quarter-finals at SW19.


Federer, who opens proceedings on Centre Court on Monday against Yen-Hsun Lu, agrees: "He has the double-handed back-hand, very unusual, he's a great double-hander, he moves very well for how tall he is.

"I know Queen's is not Wimbledon but I think he takes these things pretty relaxed.

"I think he's become such a good player now it's not going to affect him much and if it does it affects him in a good way."

However, the Swiss has warned against reading too much into his losing record against Murray.

"When it came down to the crunch we've played two times in finals - he played very well but I was able to beat him. Prior to finals he's beaten me," said the 27-year-old.

"I don't want to make excuses but he played me at a time when I had back problems (which) made it hard for me to call on my best performance level.

"He played me the right way and was very successful. He's a great tactician, I like to watch him play - he's a very tough challenge."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/8111440.stm

Nice article but the bolded part is what some people here will use to jump on Fed yet again and will conviniently ignore all the praises as usual.

Still nice to see Fed say something very positive about Murray(as he didn't give him much credit the last few months so it's a nice change),"he handles pressure well and will be a great grass champion for the future" for example.

joeri888
06-21-2009, 04:37 AM
Federer is a big champion and wants to win, if he loses he immediately questions himself what he did wrong, and what he could take away. he's not that interested in how the other player played. Therefore immediately after a match he can look self-centered and takes away credit from his opponent I think. In general though, He's very nice and respectful towards all his rivals and competitors.

malakas
06-21-2009, 04:40 AM
I like how Fed is honest and speaks his mind,and no PR crap.

Sentinel
06-21-2009, 04:44 AM
I just came across this in the NYTimes after his US Open win. Made me remember the posts about how he trolls this forum :-)


His vulnerability spurred a cottage industry of cure-alls for Federerís game. ďAll sorts of crazy people started writing me and trying to reach me, telling me I need some help either mentally or physically,Ē Federer said. Laughing ruefully, he added, ďPeople come out of the closet and think they can start helping me now. Itís just a pain. This sort of puts them to rest a little bit, and calms down the phones at my parentsí house a little bit, which Iím happy about.Ē

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/09/sports/tennis/09men.html

I hope i am not going off topic or derailing ...

mandy01
06-21-2009, 04:52 AM
I did not read any of this in his presser so I'm wondering where this came from..
That said he's hundred percent correct.
He's not saying he lost because he was injured but he def. was affected and the main indicator of that was his first serve percentage which was extremely low even in the matches he won.
Also I dont understand how some of the TW posters consider themselves so qualified to decide what a top level player should say.I still fail to understand why a player cant give reasons for his losses.
He def. knows more than the these posters do about himself.

Aabye
06-21-2009, 05:22 AM
I did not read any of this in his presser so I'm wondering where this came from..
That said he's hundred percent correct.
He's not saying he lost because he was injured but he def. was affected and the main indicator of that was his first serve percentage which was extremely low even in the matches he won.
Also I dont understand how some of the TW posters consider themselves so qualified to decide what a top level player should say.I still fail to understand why a player cant give reasons for his losses.
He def. knows more than the these posters do about himself.

I agree with you for once about that particular comment, but when Nadal does the same thing (note his loss to Soderling) people jump on him.

Honestly, other comments Federer does come off as a little self-centered in his press conferences. Perhaps though, like joeri888 suggests, I am mistaking self-reflection for a belittling of his opponent.

zagor
06-21-2009, 05:26 AM
I agree with you for once about that particular comment, but when Nadal does the same thing (note his loss to Soderling) people jump on him.

Honestly, other comments Federer does come off as a little self-centered in his press conferences. Perhaps though, like joeri888 suggests, I am mistaking self-reflection for a belittling of his opponent.

Hardly anyone really jumped at him,"Nadal is arrogant" thread was a sarcastic response to all those criticism Fed receives from certain Nadal fans all the time no matter what he says.Rarely anyone considered Nadal's interview after Soderling's match to be truly arrogant,it was just an average pro interview after a bad loss,nothing more,nothing less.

Aabye
06-21-2009, 05:30 AM
Hardly anyone really jumped at him,"Nadal is arrogant" thread was a sarcastic response to all those criticism Fed receives from certain Nadal fans all the time no matter what he says.Rarely anyone considered Nadal's interview after Soderling's match to be truly arrogant,it was just an average pro interview after a bad loss,nothing more,nothing less.

No, there was some picking apart of one or two remarks in general. And then after his injury came out people were saying he was going on back on everything he said in the presser.

However, Federer does get a lot more flack. Arguably because he can be a little less tactful at times. (More "honest" if you prefer)

mandy01
06-21-2009, 06:08 AM
This is where the quote was taken from...Roger also mentions mono along with the back injury so I have a feeling he's talking more with reference to last year than this year and I guess its justified.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/tennis/8111503.stm

boojay
06-21-2009, 06:32 AM
Murray = Santoro v3.0

maximo
06-21-2009, 07:13 AM
Murray > Federer.

At least Muzza is genuine unlike Federer.

Aabye
06-21-2009, 07:25 AM
Murray = Santoro v3.0

Bebop rules! And I assume you mean that as a high compliment, because Santoro could give anyone fits.:)

Clydey2times
06-21-2009, 07:51 AM
I did not read any of this in his presser so I'm wondering where this came from..
That said he's hundred percent correct.
He's not saying he lost because he was injured but he def. was affected and the main indicator of that was his first serve percentage which was extremely low even in the matches he won.
Also I dont understand how some of the TW posters consider themselves so qualified to decide what a top level player should say.I still fail to understand why a player cant give reasons for his losses.
He def. knows more than the these posters do about himself.

He only had a bad back for the final set at TMC. How does he explain all of the other losses?

P_Agony
06-21-2009, 07:57 AM
Yet again the arrogant Federer gives no credit to Nadal and Djokovic.

P_Agony
06-21-2009, 07:59 AM
Murray > Federer.

At least Muzza is genuine unlike Federer.

Yes you are right. I mean, a guy with 14 majors, 20 straight semi finals, 237 weeks as world #1 and the guy considered by many the greatest ever is not genuine. :-|

vtmike
06-21-2009, 08:00 AM
Murray > Federer.

At least Muzza is genuine unlike Federer.

Time to bring out this epic post ;)

MAXIMOMMY!!
TROLLING IN A THREAD NEAR YOU! since 07-26-2008
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/9c0de4d977448b416ad71322a3d63de7.jpg

P_Agony
06-21-2009, 08:02 AM
Time to bring out this epic post ;)

That is way too funny. LMAO!!!

malakas
06-21-2009, 08:05 AM
haha :mrgreen: Glad you liked it.
Unfortunately there are too many threads now,that this is relevant.:rolleyes:

P_Agony
06-21-2009, 08:10 AM
haha :mrgreen: Glad you liked it.
Unfortunately there are too many threads now,that this is relevant.:rolleyes:

It's Mrs. Pacman there, right? Not Pacman himself, or am I wrong?

malakas
06-21-2009, 08:12 AM
but yeah of course!A mommy has to be female,no??http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/shrug.gif

P_Agony
06-21-2009, 08:13 AM
In that case, is this how Maximo will look like after Murray losses Wimbeldon?

http://techfunked.com/web20blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/pacman-killer.jpg

P_Agony
06-21-2009, 08:14 AM
but yeah of course!A mommy has to be female,no??http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/shrug.gif

99% of the times.

malakas
06-21-2009, 08:17 AM
no
She will look like this :
http://www.penmachine.com/images/pac-man-skeleton.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/awww.gif RIP

maximo
06-21-2009, 08:18 AM
but yeah of course!A mommy has to be female,no??http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m105/bagdaddy_2006/smilies/shrug.gif

In that case, is this how Maximo will look like after Murray losses Wimbeldon?

http://techfunked.com/web20blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/pacman-killer.jpg

99% of the times.

I guess Federer will cry like a baby when he goes out (again)...

http://i44.tinypic.com/2wgrkgx.jpg

vtmike
06-21-2009, 08:35 AM
^^^ Don't you have to go feed for your son Maximommy?

http://www.geocities.com/pictobee/mrspacman.JPG

Sentinel
06-21-2009, 08:44 AM
Yet again the arrogant Federer gives no credit to Nadal and Djokovic.
Other than some phony remark that Nadal deserved to play on day one on center court and not himself. Such collossal arrogance :)

I hope Murray reaches the final and is declared GOAT by this learned forum.

NamRanger
06-21-2009, 09:27 AM
Hardly anyone really jumped at him,"Nadal is arrogant" thread was a sarcastic response to all those criticism Fed receives from certain Nadal fans all the time no matter what he says.Rarely anyone considered Nadal's interview after Soderling's match to be truly arrogant,it was just an average pro interview after a bad loss,nothing more,nothing less.



This is true with every athlete. When they have a devastating loss, they never, ever attribute it to the play of their opponent. It is just not within their character to do such things. Why? They must maintain their ego and confidence.

zagor
06-21-2009, 09:37 AM
This is true with every athlete. When they have a devastating loss, they never, ever attribute it to the play of their opponent. It is just not within their character to do such things. Why? They must maintain their ego and confidence.

True for the vast majority of proffesional athletes as sometimes you have nice guys like James Blake but for most athletes it does hold true,especially for the ones that are at the very top like Fed or Nadal.I really don't think you can dominate any sport without having huge amounts of confidence and a huge ego.

Clydey2times
06-21-2009, 09:51 AM
This is true with every athlete. When they have a devastating loss, they never, ever attribute it to the play of their opponent. It is just not within their character to do such things. Why? They must maintain their ego and confidence.

I just gave you an example that disproves your theory, which you conveniently ignored last night.

I posted some of Sampras' interview after his loss to Safin in the US Open final.

NamRanger
06-21-2009, 09:59 AM
I just gave you an example that disproves your theory, which you conveniently ignored last night.

I posted some of Sampras' interview after his loss to Safin in the US Open final.



Oh please. You really think Sampras thinks what he says? He is the epitome of a politically correct speaker in a press conference. I think it's very hard to attribute losses to yourself when you get absolutely embarrassed as Sampras did. However, if you really think professional athletes think that way, go ahead. I guess years of Sports Psychology just gets thrown out the window when talking to you.



If you knew anything about Sampras outside of the press room, you would know that he was the ULTIMATE competitor. He had such a large ego that it translated to his game. I mean, who else has the balls to go for a 120 mph second serve on breakpoint down. That just doesn't take confidence, that just takes blind arrogance in your own game. And it worked, because Sampras believed that he was that damn good. Because he was THAT damn good.

sureshs
06-21-2009, 10:13 AM
Remember it is NOT an excuse when Fed brings up his back problem to explain losing. Because he himself says it is not an excuse. But of course it is his duty to point out he had back problems. The same problems which don't bother him when he wins.

Aabye
06-21-2009, 10:17 AM
Oh please. You really think Sampras thinks what he says? He is the epitome of a politically correct speaker in a press conference. I think it's very hard to attribute losses to yourself when you get absolutely embarrassed as Sampras did. However, if you really think professional athletes think that way, go ahead. I guess years of Sports Psychology just gets thrown out the window when talking to you.

It doesn't really matter that a player believes what they say, so much as they are honest with themselves. Also, they should try their best to "meet with Triumph and Disaster, And treat those two impostors just the same."

But you know, everyone always quotes that line when talking about Wimbledon, but the better quote from "If" for a topic such as this is probably: "If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken, Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools..." There are knaves aplenty mucking up the internet and even professional journalism, so I doubt very much that they care one whit about whether or not anyone thinks they are arrogant.

Clydey2times
06-21-2009, 11:22 AM
Oh please. You really think Sampras thinks what he says? He is the epitome of a politically correct speaker in a press conference. I think it's very hard to attribute losses to yourself when you get absolutely embarrassed as Sampras did. However, if you really think professional athletes think that way, go ahead. I guess years of Sports Psychology just gets thrown out the window when talking to you.



If you knew anything about Sampras outside of the press room, you would know that he was the ULTIMATE competitor. He had such a large ego that it translated to his game. I mean, who else has the balls to go for a 120 mph second serve on breakpoint down. That just doesn't take confidence, that just takes blind arrogance in your own game. And it worked, because Sampras believed that he was that damn good. Because he was THAT damn good.

I didn't say that Sampras didn't have an ego. You're changing your tune now. You said that all top athletes do not give credit to their opponent. You said any athlete who dominates would blame their own performance rather than give credit to their opponent. I just proved you wrong.

NamRanger
06-21-2009, 11:51 AM
I didn't say that Sampras didn't have an ego. You're changing your tune now. You said that all top athletes do not give credit to their opponent. You said any athlete who dominates would blame their own performance rather than give credit to their opponent. I just proved you wrong.



I didn't change my tune, and I'm tired of arguing with you at every turn. If you don't think athletes have monstrous egos, you need to get your head checked.



Sampras can say whatever he wants in a press conference. Oh Safin played great! But if you want to believe what he said in a press conference, then go ahead. I'm pretty sure Sampras was more ****ed at himself for playing craptacular tennis for the most part then anything.




I mean, by your logic, I guess Nadal really believes Federer is a better player than him, despite the fact that Nadal owns him in H2H and is the current world #1. That's simply bullcrap and you know it. Press conferences mean jack diddly squat. It is what the players do on the court that shows their competitive nature. Each and every successful elite level athlete will never back down, and never admit to themselves that their defeat was caused by the play of their opponent. If you can't understand such simple Sports Psychology, I don't know what to tell you.

Clydey2times
06-21-2009, 12:12 PM
I didn't change my tune, and I'm tired of arguing with you at every turn. If you don't think athletes have monstrous egos, you need to get your head checked.



Sampras can say whatever he wants in a press conference. Oh Safin played great! But if you want to believe what he said in a press conference, then go ahead. I'm pretty sure Sampras was more ****ed at himself for playing craptacular tennis for the most part then anything.




I mean, by your logic, I guess Nadal really believes Federer is a better player than him, despite the fact that Nadal owns him in H2H and is the current world #1. That's simply bullcrap and you know it. Press conferences mean jack diddly squat. It is what the players do on the court that shows their competitive nature. Each and every successful elite level athlete will never back down, and never admit to themselves that their defeat was caused by the play of their opponent. If you can't understand such simple Sports Psychology, I don't know what to tell you.

You're the one who started quoting press conferences. If press conferences mean "diddly squat", why did you quote a Rafael Nadal press conference? You can't do one thing to prove your point and then cry foul when someone beats you at your own game.

NamRanger
06-21-2009, 12:13 PM
You're the one who started quoting press conferences. If press conferences mean "diddly squat", why did you quote a Serena Williams press conference? You can't do one thing to prove your point and then cry foul when someone beats you at your own game.




Nadal press conference. Now your credibility has been just thrown out the window, because I can tell you don't even read my posts.

Clydey2times
06-21-2009, 12:16 PM
Nadal press conference. Now your credibility has been just thrown out the window, because I can tell you don't even read my posts.

I changed it before you even posted. You said Serena Williams and then quoted a Nadal press conference. Don't try and squirm out of it. I changed it before you even replied.

Now answer the question. If press conferences mean diddly squat, why did you quote one? It was you who started it. Here, I'll refresh your memory.

Nonsense? Why is it Serena Williams is still successful on the WTA tour today, despite being WELL past her prime age? It sure as heck isn't her physical fitness, nor is it the fact that she has an amazing game (as she is outclassed by quite a few players today in alot of aspects). She is just one of the most mentally tough players out there, period.






Q. It was a great four‑year winning period. All things had to end, and it happened today, your series of wins. Did you expect such power tennis fromSoderling before the game? Were yousurprised during the match of the way he hit his ball consistently so hard,especially on the forehand, but also in general?

RAFAEL NADAL: No. No, no. He didnít surprise me,because I know how he play, how dangerous he can be. Yesterday I didnít play my best tennis. No, I didnít attack in no one moment. I play very short, and I make him very easyto play at this level.

So when one player bad,must lose. Thatís what happenedtoday. I have to accept with the samecalm when I win than when I lose. Afterfour years I lose here, and the season continue.

Q. Were you surprised that he was able to sustain the level of play that hedid throughout the match? Did you expecthim, at some stage, to perhaps have a little dip, which he never really did?

RAFAEL NADAL: Well, you know, when, for ‑‑ I playedvery short, you know. I play veryshort. I didnít play great. I didnít play with calm at no one time duringall the match.

That makes him easy toplay at this level during all the match, no? So was my fault, and more than ‑‑ well, sure, he did well. He did very well, but I didnít ‑‑ yeah,I think I didnít play my best tennis. And I didnít play not my best tennis, no? I didnít play my tennis, and for that reasonI lose. Thatís it.

I congratulate him and keep working hard forthe next tournament.


Q. Wasit the wonderful game level of Soderling on this surface, or because you wereon a bad day or any other phenomenon, like you played in Barcelonathen in Madrid? Maybe you played too many tournaments.

RAFAEL NADAL: Stop it. Stop it. Had I played my bestlevel against Soderling, maybe the results would have been different. But he played a very good level of tennis andI didnít play well, so the results are what they are.

I didnít play at mybest level. I have days like this, andthis was one of those days. I hadsomeone playing very well in front of me.


Q. Were you surprised by the level of his game?

RAFAEL NADAL: No, not at all. Iíve seen him playing quite a few times, andthat was not a surprise. It was my gamelevel that was a surprise to me today.



Sounds exactly like what I said. Or are you going to say Nadal is an arrogant fool like Federer?

Clydey2times
06-21-2009, 11:56 PM
Bump.

I'm still waiting for your reply, NamRanger. You can't just contradict yourself after all the stuff you've been saying and then hope it will just go away. :)

boojay
06-22-2009, 12:08 AM
Bebop rules! And I assume you mean that as a high compliment, because Santoro could give anyone fits.:)

I didn't, but I agree, Bebop rules. ;)

mandy01
06-22-2009, 01:50 AM
He only had a bad back for the final set at TMC. How does he explain all of the other losses?
He had a bad back after the AO..You can deny it all you want.
Note-Not during the AO..He himself said that.
That said,back was one of the factors and not the sole reason..it has also got to do with Murray playing very well and Roger himself said that.

illuminati
06-22-2009, 01:54 AM
the truth is federer has never had a problem, its just his ego cannot handle defeat. when ur winning everything for 4 years in a row, and when u lose a few, its hard to accept it. so ur mind plays tricks with u about, this and that and injury this and illness that.

mandy01
06-22-2009, 01:56 AM
the truth is federer has never had a problem, its just his ego cannot handle defeat. when ur winning everything for 4 years in a row, and when u lose a few, its hard to accept it. so ur mind plays tricks with u about, this and that and injury this and illness that. Sure..in that case Nadal has been faking all of his 'career-threatening' injuries.

helloworld
06-22-2009, 01:57 AM
Still, that doesn't change the fact that he has said bad things about Murray before.

mandy01
06-22-2009, 01:59 AM
Still, that doesn't change the fact that he has said bad things about Murray before.
Only and only Dubai and only about his tactics.He was imho, right.

Clydey2times
06-22-2009, 03:49 AM
He had a bad back after the AO..You can deny it all you want.
Note-Not during the AO..He himself said that.
That said,back was one of the factors and not the sole reason..it has also got to do with Murray playing very well and Roger himself said that.

How about Madrid and Doha? Bad back there also, or was that mono? I can't keep track. How about Cincinnati?

Clydey2times
06-22-2009, 03:51 AM
Only and only Dubai and only about his tactics.He was imho, right.

He was right, even though Murray won the match? Even though Murray won the previous match against him in straight sets? Sure, Federer is such a swell guy that he's handing out advice straight after a loss. It obviously had nothing to do with sour grapes.

Clydey2times
06-22-2009, 12:25 PM
Come on, NamRanger. You shouldn't just tuck tail and run when you're losing an argument. Be a man. :)