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tennis_hand
06-24-2009, 11:12 PM
can you imagine how the court will be for the final?

FedFan_2009
06-24-2009, 11:18 PM
Bring it on, 2 claycourt slams!

tacou
06-24-2009, 11:34 PM
I did notice the baseline looks pretty worn down already

LanceStern
06-24-2009, 11:44 PM
That really makes me kind of disappointed, because I like the look of fresh grass.

They can't resurface it on Sunday?

tacou
06-24-2009, 11:58 PM
plant more grass??

krprunitennis2
06-25-2009, 12:01 AM
don't they move the courts? like slide the stadium? xD just kidding if that sounds really awkward

David_Is_Right
06-25-2009, 12:02 AM
That really makes me kind of disappointed, because I like the look of fresh grass.

They can't resurface it on Sunday?

lol are you serious? Resurface a grass court in a day, in the middle of a tournament?

FlamEnemY
06-25-2009, 12:14 AM
They should avoid using center court as much as possible... Keep it for the semis and Final I say.

ChanceEncounter
06-25-2009, 12:18 AM
What are they supposed to? Will the grass the grow?

Switch it with astroturf and hope no one notices?

<3tennis!!!
06-25-2009, 12:19 AM
They should avoid using center court as much as possible... Keep it for the semis and Final I say.
only problem one 5 set match and its stuffed:shock:

joeri888
06-25-2009, 12:53 AM
Who cares? 2009 Federer is the king of clay!!! ;):)

Anyway, with Rafa not around I don't mind it being a little 'clayish'. It still bounces a lot lower and has a lot more speed than Roland Garros so it looks okay. still, the faster the better of course.

sh@de
06-25-2009, 01:41 AM
Fed's gonna win this definitely then... he's he new King of Clay.

fantom
06-25-2009, 03:04 AM
It's been in great shape compared to the past. Have you seen replays of those matches in the 80's? The grass is virtually worn off of the entire court.

Narcissist
06-25-2009, 03:31 AM
How often does the ball bounce right near the baseline in a match? Not often therefore it really isn't as huge a deal.

Giggs The Red Devil
06-25-2009, 03:32 AM
imagination:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3033/2651903703_255579ef17.jpg

Nadal_Freak
06-25-2009, 05:44 AM
The dryness makes the surface less slippery. The green area is the dangerous part. But the area where it is green is where the ball usually bounces. You still get the same bounces.

Aabye
06-25-2009, 05:52 AM
Who cares? 2009 Federer is the king of clay!!! ;):)

Anyway, with Rafa not around I don't mind it being a little 'clayish'. It still bounces a lot lower and has a lot more speed than Roland Garros so it looks okay. still, the faster the better of course.

Double-standard much? Either it is "green clay" and that is a problem because it changes the entire game, or it isn't and you guys are always screaming bloody murder for no reason.

coloskier
06-25-2009, 08:18 AM
I remember when they used to let the players wear spikes on the courts when it was particularly damp. You had to play S&V because if you ever let the ball bounce you never knew which way it was going to go. I yearn for the good old days. :)

PureCarlosMoyaDrive
06-25-2009, 09:29 AM
Either way this grass is slow as can be. When was the last time you saw guys just rolling balls on the grass and running down everything on it and having balls sit up for passing shots. This is the new green clay slam with bad footing thats all Wimbledon is nothing special anymore. The pro circuit has this strange idea that all courts needs to be made the same speed like a medium paced hardcourt in an effort to make mens tennis like the WTA with no such thing as specialists anymore, just a bunch of guys hitting shoulder high forehands regardless of the surface. People say the players should have to adapt to the surface well why change it in the first place? This is coming from a person whose favorite player is Carlos Moya and who has a western forehand. I know I'd probably stink on grass but I'd enjoy the challenge and understand that its a different surface that I would need to adapt to, not have the surface slow down and adapt to me.

egn
06-25-2009, 09:52 AM
that might be good, it will promote less baseliene play as the bounces there will be awful..maybe.

joeri888
06-25-2009, 10:00 AM
Double-standard much? Either it is "green clay" and that is a problem because it changes the entire game, or it isn't and you guys are always screaming bloody murder for no reason.

I never said it was green-clay and I think no one believes it was the same surface. Fed wwas demolished 2 weeks earlier and was highly competitive on grass. However, the grass is WAY too slow for a year or 6 now and it's getting ridiculous. Just look how onedimensional the game has gotten. People will realize that more and more if Federer retires and no one will take his place. The fact that it isn't a problem because Fed is king of clay was meant as a joke. it IS too slow. Just look around, I think pretty much the only serve&volleyer left in the draw is Ivo karlovic. That style should be rewarding on SOME surface. Some may not like serve&volley, but everyone should have a court where he can excel.

Nadal_Freak
06-25-2009, 10:13 AM
Anyone that saw the Murray/Gulbis match knows the grass is not too slow. Murray looked unbreakable in that match. Fed's serve looks pretty untouchable. Only this tournament where everyone looks so hard to break.

Blade0324
06-25-2009, 10:52 AM
I remember when they used to let the players wear spikes on the courts when it was particularly damp. You had to play S&V because if you ever let the ball bounce you never knew which way it was going to go. I yearn for the good old days. :)

Yuck, might as well play on a golf course.

SmAsH999
06-25-2009, 10:56 AM
Bring it on, 2 claycourt slams!

amen.
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rafan
06-25-2009, 12:00 PM
Did you know that the major worry for the Wimbledon groundspeople is that they have to stop the foxes from using the courts as a toilet. So I was told when I visited there out of season

jimbo333
06-25-2009, 04:36 PM
The ball is bouncing higher with topspin than on clay, it is ridiculous!!!

Nadal_Freak
06-25-2009, 05:31 PM
The ball is bouncing higher with topspin than on clay, it is ridiculous!!!
Oh yes Murray's shots were kicking up really high. :rolleyes: Everything was a slice due to how effective it was.

lpicken
06-25-2009, 06:04 PM
It is interesting to see the wear patterns from s&v days to the current baseline play. Now just the baseline is worn out but back in the day you could see the whole court being worn out.

<3tennis!!!
06-25-2009, 06:20 PM
Anyone that saw the Murray/Gulbis match knows the grass is not too slow. Murray looked unbreakable in that match. Fed's serve looks pretty untouchable. Only this tournament where everyone looks so hard to break.so your watching fed then? :)

Benhur
06-25-2009, 06:32 PM
It is interesting to see the wear patterns from s&v days to the current baseline play. Now just the baseline is worn out but back in the day you could see the whole court being worn out.

If you watch some of the finals of the 80s and 90s, there is hardly any grass left anywhere on most of the court. Supposedly this problem had been getting gradually worse due to the players being increasingly bigger and rougher on the surface. A bare grass court has nothing to do with clay. This is hardened dirt with lots of bumps where the grass has been pulled out by the player's feet digging in it. The more grass you lose this way, the more unpredictable bounces you will get. The main reason they changed the surface back in 2001 was to make the grass last longer, so they made the undersurface firmer, and the grass 100% rye (from previously 70% rye and 30% fescue). So if the court looks too chewed up already, it would have been worse with the old grass mix and softer surface.

jimbo333
06-26-2009, 01:07 AM
If you watch some of the finals of the 80s and 90s, there is hardly any grass left anywhere on most of the court. Supposedly this problem had been getting gradually worse due to the players being increasingly bigger and rougher on the surface. A bare grass court has nothing to do with clay. This is hardened dirt with lots of bumps where the grass has been pulled out by the player's feet digging in it. The more grass you lose this way, the more unpredictable bounces you will get. The main reason they changed the surface back in 2001 was to make the grass last longer, so they made the undersurface firmer, and the grass 100% rye (from previously 70% rye and 30% fescue). So if the court looks too chewed up already, it would have been worse with the old grass mix and softer surface.

I agree and the ball wouldn't have been bouncing around their heads, when topsin hit!!!

The surface is clearly too hard now,

rolandg
06-26-2009, 03:22 AM
It's ridiculous how many clay court rallies we are seeing this year. Something should be done, but it won't. I would rather see a Becker-Stich final then see two clay courters hitting huge topspin forhands from the baseline at Wimbledon.

Nadal_Freak
06-26-2009, 07:10 AM
It's ridiculous how many clay court rallies we are seeing this year. Something should be done, but it won't. I would rather see a Becker-Stich final then see two clay courters hitting huge topspin forhands from the baseline at Wimbledon.
Which match are you talking about? The Tsonga/Karlovic match? lol

veritech
06-26-2009, 07:14 AM
Which match are you talking about? The Tsonga/Karlovic match? lol

oh please. the score would be the same on any other surface.

Nadal_Freak
06-26-2009, 07:25 AM
oh please. the score would be the same on any other surface.
The score maybe but not the ace count. Grass is an ace fest still. They need to slow it down. :D

veritech
06-26-2009, 07:45 AM
The score maybe but not the ace count. Grass is an ace fest still. They need to slow it down. :D

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