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deddied
07-13-2009, 10:19 AM
Who is the favorite of the tourney in each age group?

SoCal10s
07-13-2009, 10:46 AM
18s.. I'll take R.Sarmiento or Bangoura .... 16s I'll pick Withrow

SoCalDominates
07-13-2009, 11:17 AM
18s Zach Leslie 16s Chase Curry

Miami83095
07-13-2009, 02:16 PM
18s.. I'll take R.Sarmiento or Bangoura .... 16s I'll pick Krueger...

I also like Bangoura for 18s

SoCal10s
07-13-2009, 02:27 PM
18s Zach Leslie 16s Chase Curry

these guys will be slipping on the clay... lol

10isplayer
07-13-2009, 02:32 PM
zach leslie made the finals of the 16s clay courts last year

10isplayer
07-13-2009, 02:33 PM
18s.. I'll take R.Sarmiento or Bangoura .... 16s I'll pick Krueger...

krueger??!!?
you got to be kidding about me this kid who do great to make the semis

SoCalDominates
07-13-2009, 02:48 PM
these guys will be slipping on the clay... lol

zack is insane on clay

SoCal10s
07-13-2009, 03:11 PM
zack is insane on clay

have you been practicing on clay yet? the stuff over in FL is a lot better than any stuff we have here in my area.. where are you practicing? the 16s site are really nice country club with nice everything.. the 18s site sucks.. when it rains the doesn't drain and there's puddles everywhere.. good luck and be prepare to scrape your legs on the clay...

SoCalDominates
07-13-2009, 03:18 PM
have you been practicing on clay yet? the stuff over in FL is a lot better than any stuff we have here in my area.. where are you practicing? the 16s site are really nice country club with nice everything.. the 18s site sucks.. when it rains the doesn't drain and there's puddles everywhere.. good luck and be prepare to scrape your legs on the clay...

haha ive been playing like 5-6 hours a day on clay. The club I play at has nice clay courts so it works out pretty nice.

firstserve
07-13-2009, 03:50 PM
What is the name of the club?

SoCalDominates
07-13-2009, 05:00 PM
What is the name of the club?

i prefer not to say over the internet but its in san diego

sctennis1
07-13-2009, 06:28 PM
i prefer not to say over the internet but its in san diego


barnes?????

SoCalDominates
07-13-2009, 06:37 PM
barnes?????

naw barnes clay is garbage

tennismom42
07-13-2009, 08:19 PM
Who is the favorite of the tourney in each age group?

I am praying for a minor hurricane, because we can't go. Poot!

Otherwise, competitors BE CAREFUL at that tournament.... it has the highest incidence of injuries and illness outs. There are so many that cramp out, puke, pass out....

Remember the most important rule of all: if you're going to vomit, do it right in the middle of the court. Be sure to hit multiple areas. Why you ask? Because play must be stopped until maintenance cleans it up & it's certified by an umpire as sanitary & 100% dry. It gives you a chance to recover.

last year it rained for about 3 days straight, tons of players bailed.

I think it's stupid to put a clay tournament in the target zone of hurricane season, year after year. Can't they do the clays some place more inland? There are tons of clay courts in the south.

SoCalDominates
07-13-2009, 08:40 PM
I am praying for a minor hurricane, because we can't go. Poot!

Otherwise, competitors BE CAREFUL at that tournament.... it has the highest incidence of injuries and illness outs. There are so many that cramp out, puke, pass out....

Remember the most important rule of all: if you're going to vomit, do it right in the middle of the court. Be sure to hit multiple areas. Why you ask? Because play must be stopped until maintenance cleans it up & it's certified by an umpire as sanitary & 100% dry. It gives you a chance to recover.

last year it rained for about 3 days straight, tons of players bailed.

I think it's stupid to put a clay tournament in the target zone of hurricane season, year after year. Can't they do the clays some place more inland? There are tons of clay courts in the south.

do you know the weather forcast for this year? Are we in trouble? I hope not

tennismom42
07-13-2009, 08:52 PM
do you know the weather forcast for this year? Are we in trouble? I hope not

I have yet to see an accurate weather forecast from day to day, let alone a 10-day forecast.

It's Florida, it's July, it's going to rain.

SoCal10s
07-13-2009, 08:56 PM
I am praying for a minor hurricane, because we can't go. Poot!

Otherwise, competitors BE CAREFUL at that tournament.... it has the highest incidence of injuries and illness outs. There are so many that cramp out, puke, pass out....

Remember the most important rule of all: if you're going to vomit, do it right in the middle of the court. Be sure to hit multiple areas. Why you ask? Because play must be stopped until maintenance cleans it up & it's certified by an umpire as sanitary & 100% dry. It gives you a chance to recover.

last year it rained for about 3 days straight, tons of players bailed.



woww WTF? so you're a mom? you sound like a stupid kid ." praying for a minor hurricane, because we can't go. "" so just because you cannot go you wish bad things to happen to spoil it for the others? O-K !

last year the 18 site was really bad.. a few players twisted and injured their ankle and leg because the courts did not dry/drain evenly ... when you slide and hit a wet spot,your feet stays and your body keeps on moving,this is not a good thing to do under any circumstances ..

the humidity is so high there after the rainstorms that your sweat too much and you really need to hydrate your body well or you'll cramp up fast.. force yourself to always drink and stay away from those sweet energy drinks ...

kctennis1005
07-13-2009, 08:59 PM
last year the 18 site was really bad.. a few players twisted and injured their ankle and leg because the courts did not dry/drain evenly ... when you slide and hit a wet spot,your feet stays and your body keeps on moving,this is not a good thing to do under any circumstances ..

...

haha exactly why i dont slide...

tennismom42
07-13-2009, 09:07 PM
woww WTF? so you're a mom? you sound like a stupid kid ." praying for a minor hurricane, because we can't go. "" so just because you cannot go you wish bad things to happen to spoil it for the others? O-K !

last year the 18 site was really bad.. a few players twisted and injured their ankle and leg because the courts did not dry/drain evenly ... when you slide and hit a wet spot,your feet stays and your body keeps on moving,this is not a good thing to do under any circumstances ..

the humidity is so high there after the rainstorms that your sweat too much and you really need to hydrate your body well or you'll cramp up fast.. force yourself to always drink and stay away from those sweet energy drinks ...

yep, sometimes I am confrontational brat. I admit it.

For the B18s in 2008, I count 32 injury/illness outs.
For the B18d in 2008, I count 37 injury/illness outs. (Granted that's likely a result of the ones that bailed after 3 days of rain.)

For the B16s in 2008, I count 23 injury/illness outs.
For the B16d in 2008, I count 4 injury/illness outs

I maintain that's a lot!

2008 injury/illness out stats weren't as bad as 2007 as I recall.

deddied
07-14-2009, 06:17 AM
I am praying for a minor hurricane, because we can't go. Poot!

Otherwise, competitors BE CAREFUL at that tournament.... it has the highest incidence of injuries and illness outs. There are so many that cramp out, puke, pass out....

Remember the most important rule of all: if you're going to vomit, do it right in the middle of the court. Be sure to hit multiple areas. Why you ask? Because play must be stopped until maintenance cleans it up & it's certified by an umpire as sanitary & 100% dry. It gives you a chance to recover.

last year it rained for about 3 days straight, tons of players bailed.

I think it's stupid to put a clay tournament in the target zone of hurricane season, year after year. Can't they do the clays some place more inland? There are tons of clay courts in the south.


I know right, theres a deisgnated going on the same weekend, and when i did this designated last year i had a whole body cramp and another was hospitalize with chest cramps.

deddied
07-14-2009, 06:19 AM
haha exactly why i dont slide...

Gl then
:roll:

TennisTaxi
07-14-2009, 07:13 AM
And...watch out for flying racquets!! Not being use to humidity, my son was sweating bad. His hands were soaking wet and when he went to serve, his racquet went flying out of his hand, 1/2 way across the court, smashed down and cracked. It was pretty funny but someone could have really been hurt. We quickly found out about tacky overgrip, tacky towels and tacky powder! :shock:

stanfordtennis alum
07-14-2009, 07:55 AM
would have to go with bangoura and kruger

tenniscp
07-14-2009, 02:15 PM
would have to go with bangoura and kruger

Kruger has no chance of winning the whole thing, although he will do well. If Alex Halebian is playing this tournament, he has a solid chance to win it. Frantangelo is playing well now, has a chance.

tennismom42
07-14-2009, 04:15 PM
And...watch out for flying racquets!! Not being use to humidity, my son was sweating bad. His hands were soaking wet and when he went to serve, his racquet went flying out of his hand, 1/2 way across the court, smashed down and cracked. It was pretty funny but someone could have really been hurt. We quickly found out about tacky overgrip, tacky towels and tacky powder! :shock: My son uses another product by Prince. It's a liquid chalk. A dab will do ya.

SoCal10s
07-15-2009, 10:29 AM
Kruger has no chance of winning the whole thing, although he will do well. If Alex Halebian is playing this tournament, he has a solid chance to win it. Frantangelo is playing well now, has a chance.

I'm changing my prediction .. boys 16s ... the winner is ... Jackson Withrow.. cool name.. excellent player.. a bit of a mental case.. we'll see..

SoCalDominates
07-15-2009, 03:11 PM
haha exactly why i dont slide...

how can u play on clay and not slide? or how can you do good on clay w/o sliding

tenniscp
07-15-2009, 07:11 PM
I'm changing my prediction .. boys 16s ... the winner is ... Jackson Withrow.. cool name.. excellent player.. a bit of a mental case.. we'll see..

How about fourteens? Anybody comes to mind?

SoCalDominates
07-15-2009, 07:19 PM
How about fourteens? Anybody comes to mind?

Michael Guzman or TJ Pura will win it

sctennis1
07-15-2009, 08:17 PM
id say samuel todd will probably win the 16s

deddied
07-15-2009, 08:19 PM
Michael Guzman or TJ Pura will win it

i dont know Stephen Watson might make some noise down there.:twisted:

kctennis1005
07-16-2009, 06:45 AM
how can u play on clay and not slide? or how can you do good on clay w/o sliding

haha exactly why i dont win in singles on clay....

SoCal10s
07-16-2009, 07:11 AM
id say samuel todd will probably win the 16s

BB nice to see you back in action..

coloskier
07-16-2009, 02:06 PM
how can u play on clay and not slide? or how can you do good on clay w/o sliding

Jim Courier won FO twice and hardly ever slid.

sctennis1
07-16-2009, 02:45 PM
ahahatrust me im not bb im a junior from socal iv played sam once b4

SoCal10s
07-16-2009, 02:52 PM
ahahatrust me im not bb im a junior from socal iv played sam once b4

you write like him and you sound like him so you're deit then.. lol hi deit...

sctennis1
07-16-2009, 03:01 PM
you write like him and you sound like him so you're deit then.. lol hi deit...

ahaha im not it was a joke. im alex i played sam at 08 quksilver

SoCal10s
07-16-2009, 03:16 PM
ahaha im not it was a joke. im alex i played sam at 08 quksilver

man you're not alex,alex's too busy to be blogging..... lol

sctennis1
07-16-2009, 03:23 PM
ahahahahaaha its the other way around

SoCal10s
07-16-2009, 03:25 PM
ahahahahaaha its the other way around

ok i better delete that stuff she's gonna kill me...

SoCalDominates
07-17-2009, 04:14 AM
ahaha im not it was a joke. im alex i played sam at 08 quksilver

haha is this really? haha ya that was def. one of my better matches.... not lol

SoCalDominates
07-17-2009, 07:51 AM
haha is this really? haha ya that was def. one of my better matches.... not lol

What does everyone think of the draw

SoCal10s
07-17-2009, 08:44 AM
What does everyone think of the draw

I see a lot of SoCal kids not passing 2 rounds in the main draw..

SoCalDominates
07-17-2009, 10:47 AM
I see a lot of SoCal kids not passing 2 rounds in the main draw..

I like my chances....psych

10isRocs
07-17-2009, 11:23 AM
I see a lot of SoCal kids not passing 2 rounds in the main draw..

A bunch of So Cal 18's are staying home and playing the Claremont Pro Futures Wild Card Tourney

SoCal10s
07-17-2009, 11:34 AM
A bunch of So Cal 18's are staying home and playing the Claremont Pro Futures Wild Card Tourney

some 16s thrown in there too.. wise choice , a lot of SoCal. players are really not cut out for clay court tennis.. it takes too long to learn the clay court game.. SoCal players rather just bang the crap out of the ball.. there's not enough good clay courts out here in SoCal. to train on.. even the stuff they have at Carson (national tennis training center) sucks... and Querry trains there..

AT92292
07-17-2009, 03:24 PM
So upset Vega pulled out I dont know whats up with him

tennisgreat755
07-23-2009, 03:02 PM
Any surprising results? Some that stand out to me is in the 16s is ace matias losing quickly and krueger losing to kocovic.. in the 18s is blake davis.. nvr even heard of him before this tournament.

3lowdown
07-23-2009, 08:25 PM
I'm changing my prediction .. boys 16s ... the winner is ... Jackson Withrow.. cool name.. excellent player.. a bit of a mental case.. we'll see..

ohh i played him before, that kids good. He cheated me out a game though cuz he was so stuburn. Well anyways he beat me 0-0. Go Withrow!!!

mrmo1115
07-25-2009, 01:15 PM
ohh i played him before, that kids good. He cheated me out a game though cuz he was so stuburn. Well anyways he beat me 0-0. Go Withrow!!!

Your rooting for someone that cheated you? :confused:

3lowdown
07-25-2009, 01:21 PM
Your rooting for someone that cheated you? :confused:

lol yeah i guess so that one game didnt mean much to me. He didnt call a ball out that could have gone either way so i just figured it was my point since he didnt say anything, then i won the next point and what i thought was the game but he said the point before the last was actually his, then i proceeded to loose the game.

Anyways... he was very very solid, and can play the net pretty well which was a little intimidating. :oops:

miniRafa386
07-25-2009, 02:47 PM
bangoura in straights, fratangelo in straights.

stanfordtennis alum
07-25-2009, 03:09 PM
delete....

stanfordtennis alum
07-25-2009, 04:25 PM
bangoura and sock in the final... should be a good match

breon1@hotmail.com
07-26-2009, 08:51 AM
any picks?

10isDad
07-26-2009, 10:38 AM
Already over - got done around the same time as you posted. Sock won 3 & 2

3lowdown
07-26-2009, 12:00 PM
suprise...suprise.

HookEmJeff
07-26-2009, 01:06 PM
Jack Sock and Frederick Saba also won the doubles title at the Clay's, so that's double gold for Sock. I think that's gold ball No. 17 for him. The kid is an amazing 17-1 in gold ball finals.

Al Parker has 25 junior gold balls, which I think is the junior record. Sock might be able to tie or catch him, as he still has two years of 18's to play. Considering Sock pretty much missed a lot of his 14's with foot injuries, that's even more impressive.


Jeff

SoCalDominates
07-26-2009, 04:53 PM
Jack Sock and Frederick Saba also won the doubles title at the Clay's, so that's double gold for Sock. I think that's gold ball No. 17 for him. The kid is an amazing 17-1 in gold ball finals.

Al Parker has 25 junior gold balls, which I think is the junior record. Sock might be able to tie or catch him, as he still has two years of 18's to play. Considering Sock pretty much missed a lot of his 14's with foot injuries, that's even more impressive.


Jeff

Agreed. Sock missed a TON of time and to come back and still be on top. Who was the greatest JUNIOR tennis player of all time? because if Sock can win 20 gold ballss missing i believe 2 years of national competition hes gotta be up there

10isDad
07-26-2009, 05:52 PM
My opinion: Sock needs to concentrate on more international goals. Obviously, he's not getting that much competition in the USTA**, so him continuing to play basically only USTA events just stinks of him chasing glory rather than really pushing himself to be a world-beater.
I believe he's ranked 975 in the world which is pretty low considering his achievements in this country.

**look at his losses. Of his 16 singles losses listed on TRN, I believe 10 were due to retirement. (Going from memory - no time to check on my cell phone's browser so don't harp too much if I'm slightly off)

beast22
07-26-2009, 06:21 PM
JW, what's a gold ball?

10isplayer
07-26-2009, 06:29 PM
I do completely agree with you with the first part. Sock has dominated the USTA recently and I think that its time for him to move up to more international tournaments. Though it is very tough for a kid going to regular school to play a lot of ITF's because they are during the week.

About your second part though he has lost 12 times in the past year

Easter Bowl April 2009

L, Tennys Sandgren 2,3 *First rd

USTA Spring National Chmps March 2009

L, Fred Saba 5,2 *Finals

USTA MV Sweet 16 Feb 2009

L, Chris Cha 3-,6,10-3 *First rd

L,Matthew Kuelker 3,3-0 ret INJ *Conso semis

L,Eric Sock 1-0 ret INJ *Conso playoff

Orange Bowl December 2008

L, Arturs Kazijevs 6,4 *rd of 32

USTA MV Super November 2008

L,Cale Hammond 3,-3,10-8 *Finals

St.Louis Gateway November 2008

L,Greg Andrews 4,-5,1 *2nd rd

L,Andrew Mellow 0-15 ret INJ *Conso finals

Pan American Closed ITF October 2008

L,James Seal 4,1 *1st rd

National CHMPS August 2008

L,Denis Kudla 3,-3,4 *Quarters

L,Sekou Bangoura 1,5 *Conso Quarters

So only 3 retired INJ in his record

10isplayer
07-26-2009, 06:30 PM
JW, what's a gold ball?

it's when you win a USTA super national tournament. Thats the trophy that the USTA gives you

beast22
07-26-2009, 06:33 PM
oh ok thanks

HookEmJeff
07-26-2009, 07:59 PM
I do completely agree with you with the first part. Sock has dominated the USTA recently and I think that its time for him to move up to more international tournaments. Though it is very tough for a kid going to regular school to play a lot of ITF's because they are during the week.

About your second part though he has lost 12 times in the past year

Easter Bowl April 2009

L, Tennys Sandgren 2,3 *First rd

USTA Spring National Chmps March 2009

L, Fred Saba 5,2 *Finals

USTA MV Sweet 16 Feb 2009

L, Chris Cha 3-,6,10-3 *First rd

L,Matthew Kuelker 3,3-0 ret INJ *Conso semis

L,Eric Sock 1-0 ret INJ *Conso playoff

Orange Bowl December 2008

L, Arturs Kazijevs 6,4 *rd of 32

USTA MV Super November 2008

L,Cale Hammond 3,-3,10-8 *Finals

St.Louis Gateway November 2008

L,Greg Andrews 4,-5,1 *2nd rd

L,Andrew Mellow 0-15 ret INJ *Conso finals

Pan American Closed ITF October 2008

L,James Seal 4,1 *1st rd

National CHMPS August 2008

L,Denis Kudla 3,-3,4 *Quarters

L,Sekou Bangoura 1,5 *Conso Quarters

So only 3 retired INJ in his record

Those injury retirement scores look like the kind of losses where a kid is at the end of a 7-day tournament and they're thinking more in terms of getting home or catching a flight. I know that St. Louis tournament is right before the Clays National tournament, and the scheduling is pretty tight with it. Jack has also had his severe foot issues, and I'm sure he's stopped at a few points if something felt amiss. He missed almost two years from it...so I'm sure if he feels a twinge, he's gonna pull the plug. I would. Besides, every tournament Jack plays at he plays singles and doubles, so the kid is on like match No. 12 or 13 at the end of every one of them. How many kids play (and win) that much in a week? Not many.

I agree about the ITF switch for him, but don't necessarily agree about the "smacks of chasing glory" comment. Not everyone can afford to travel the world, even the wealthy. He's beating the best in his own country at the BEST NATIONAL tournaments, an age ahead of where he could be playing.

Still, I think it's time for Sock to move on, revise his goals, and into an ITF-heavier schedule and maybe the four USTA nationals. He's proven his point here in the US. He is far and away the best 16-year old in the country. He was the best 16-year old when he was 15. All of his losses are to older kids, so those losses (Seal, Sandgren, Kudla) aren't all that frightening. He needs tougher comp more regularly.

It's kind of hard to do ITF's though 1) when you're in public school and 2) you have an older brother who's also in national tournaments. How many parents can and are that willing to take two different routes for their kids, who are both talented juniors? You'd have to have BOTH parents taking off and someone has to be a breadwinner for a family.

I do think we'll see his schedule change up quite a bit this year since his older brother is going off to college soon and junior tennis in the US isn't maximizing his game. Kudos to the kid for doing the public school route for this long, especially in a tough place to get a ton of quality world-level competition (Kansas City). That's pretty refreshing (the kid even played high school tennis!). Maybe it would have been different for him if he had gone off to Bollettieri or somewhere...or maybe not.

Either way he has a LOT of quality trophies, and that's nothing to shake a stick at, especially since most of the time he's playing up.


Jeff

10isDad
07-27-2009, 07:07 AM
About your second part though he has lost 12 times in the past year...So only 3 retired INJ in his record

The point of the INJ was not to paint Sock as somebody who withdraws often, but rather to show that his actual match losses are less than stated, thus this establishes even more dominance.

As I said, I wrote this from my Blackberry based on memory from the last time I checked, which was several weeks ago. Tournaments have dropped off since then, including St. Louis, the National Opens in May, etc. I likely also inadvertently counted consecutive INJ in the same tournament as multiple events, which was a mistake.

10isplayer
07-27-2009, 10:23 AM
^^
I know that you did this based on memory and I wasn't trying to personally attack you. I was just putting his record in so that it showed that Jack didn't retire 16times.

10isplayer
07-27-2009, 10:43 AM
Those injury retirement scores look like the kind of losses where a kid is at the end of a 7-day tournament and they're thinking more in terms of getting home or catching a flight. I know that St. Louis tournament is right before the Clays National tournament, and the scheduling is pretty tight with it. Jack has also had his severe foot issues, and I'm sure he's stopped at a few points if something felt amiss. He missed almost two years from it...so I'm sure if he feels a twinge, he's gonna pull the plug. I would. Besides, every tournament Jack plays at he plays singles and doubles, so the kid is on like match No. 12 or 13 at the end of every one of them. How many kids play (and win) that much in a week? Not many.

I agree about the ITF switch for him, but don't necessarily agree about the "smacks of chasing glory" comment. Not everyone can afford to travel the world, even the wealthy. He's beating the best in his own country at the BEST NATIONAL tournaments, an age ahead of where he could be playing.

Still, I think it's time for Sock to move on, revise his goals, and into an ITF-heavier schedule and maybe the four USTA nationals. He's proven his point here in the US. He is far and away the best 16-year old in the country. He was the best 16-year old when he was 15. All of his losses are to older kids, so those losses (Seal, Sandgren, Kudla) aren't all that frightening. He needs tougher comp more regularly.

It's kind of hard to do ITF's though 1) when you're in public school and 2) you have an older brother who's also in national tournaments. How many parents can and are that willing to take two different routes for their kids, who are both talented juniors? You'd have to have BOTH parents taking off and someone has to be a breadwinner for a family.

I do think we'll see his schedule change up quite a bit this year since his older brother is going off to college soon and junior tennis in the US isn't maximizing his game. Kudos to the kid for doing the public school route for this long, especially in a tough place to get a ton of quality world-level competition (Kansas City). That's pretty refreshing (the kid even played high school tennis!). Maybe it would have been different for him if he had gone off to Bollettieri or somewhere...or maybe not.

Either way he has a LOT of quality trophies, and that's nothing to shake a stick at, especially since most of the time he's playing up.


Jeff


Completely agree with your post and I do find it very refreshing and amazing considering what Jack has done from his school/training situation and he deserved to be commended.

One thing is though I don't consider him to be part of the top group of USA birth year 1992. Kudla is actually only one month older than him so he should be competing with him (as he did in that match). Unfortunately, I don't think Jack is up to the level of Kudla, Mitchell Frank, Bob VanOverbeek, Jordan Cox, Raymond Sarmiento, Evan King and Ryan Harrison. I think he is around the same level as Junior Ore.

NewGuy
07-28-2009, 05:02 AM
Junior Ore is one heck of a player . . .. Didn't he just wins some ITFs?

10isplayer
07-28-2009, 06:41 AM
No doubt about ore being a heck of a player and actually rethinking it i think he is probably slightly ahead of sock