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Hrandyrko
07-21-2009, 12:25 AM
I've been hearing that the best way to disguise your serve is tossing at 12 o clock regardless of the serve you are trying to hit.

Where is 12 o clock located? is 12 o clock directly above your head, or in line with your head but out in front?

Hrandyrko
07-21-2009, 04:01 AM
Anyone? :confused:

Failed
07-21-2009, 05:28 AM
Right in front of you. Think yourself as the center of the clock.

LeeD
07-21-2009, 08:33 AM
In line between your head, which is also the hitting shoulder, to the opponent. He can't tell exact location, and you move under the toss to effect flat, slice, top, or twist serves. Once you move, he's already watching the ball, and can't react to your body movement.
A very hard service routine to copy, most top players concede the second serve toss and don't care if the oppoenent knows a second serve is coming. More important to get that second serve IN with placement, depth, penetration, and some surprise.
First serve, it's what works that counts, and pure disquise is useless if you don't get the ball in.

Djokovicfan4life
07-21-2009, 08:42 AM
Where is 12 o clock located? is 12 o clock directly above your head, or in line with your head but out in front?

Either one is considered the 12 o'clock position. The reason this offers good disguise is because you can learn to hit every serve from this position, but you can vary your depth into the court without your opponent noticing. It's virtually impossible to spot this when you're standing over 70 feet away. Moving the toss right or left, on the other hand, is a dead giveaway.

So you can toss the ball more out in front for flat/slice serves, and more above your head for topspin/twist serves.

Matt

150mph_
07-21-2009, 04:36 PM
In line between your head, which is also the hitting shoulder, to the opponent. He can't tell exact location, and you move under the toss to effect flat, slice, top, or twist serves. Once you move, he's already watching the ball, and can't react to your body movement.
A very hard service routine to copy, most top players concede the second serve toss and don't care if the oppoenent knows a second serve is coming. More important to get that second serve IN with placement, depth, penetration, and some surprise.
First serve, it's what works that counts, and pure disquise is useless if you don't get the ball in.

tell that to roger...
during the bbc coverage of the wimby final this year they did an analysis on roger's toss... and its supposed to be the same :confused: