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ormynameisntbill
07-21-2009, 07:10 PM
if someone is can win off of pure athleticism(ex. running a mile in about 4:50) can they essentially skip a few ntrp raintgs and start at 3.0.

im asking this because i beat my friends that play tennis on a regular basis and tennis is their main sport whereas mine is cross country. my friends are at about 3.5 level.

Commando Tennis Shorts
07-21-2009, 07:35 PM
If you don't play tennis and you beat your friends, there's no way your friends are 3.5. That being said, there's a lot to be said of athleticism helping you in tennis, but there is no way you can just start out at a 3.0 level.

RedWeb
07-21-2009, 07:50 PM
Commando,

I don't agree with your last statement.

I never picked up a racket until I was almost 50 (except for maybe 5-6 times at family gatherings, etc.). I started playing in August 2005 and by the end of year had won 3.0 tournament and was finalist in 2 others. In 2006 moved myself up to 3.5 and promptly lost my first 13 matches. I'm winning about 60% of matches now. NOTE: I had some physical problems in 2006-2007 that I've yet to totally recover from.

While I'm not an "amazing" athlete I did play basketball in college and have been very active my entire life. So I think someone that is as or more athletic than me can easily start at 3.0.

I do agree that if a he is beating his friends they are not 3.5. They may think they are but they are not.

Commando Tennis Shorts
07-21-2009, 08:01 PM
Commando,

I don't agree with your last statement.

I never picked up a racket until I was almost 50 (except for maybe 5-6 times at family gatherings, etc.). I started playing in August 2005 and by the end of year had won 3.0 tournament and was finalist in 2 others. In 2006 moved myself up to 3.5 and promptly lost my first 13 matches. I'm winning about 60% of matches now. NOTE: I had some physical problems in 2006-2007 that I've yet to totally recover from.

While I'm not an "amazing" athlete I did play basketball in college and have been very active my entire life. So I think someone that is as or more athletic than me can easily start at 3.0.

I do agree that if a he is beating his friends they are not 3.5. They may think they are but they are not.

I may be wrong. In any case, starting out at 3.0, while maybe not impossible, is definitely rare. Kudos to anyone who can do it.

Yeah, the thing about his friends being 3.5, I think it's a good chance they may be (unintentionally) overrating themselves, which happens a lot in tennis. Players who don't participate a lot competitively, I feel, look at the NTRP rating guidelines, see the 3.5 "qualifications" and think, "Yeah, that's me." Then they get on the court with some real 3.5s and it's a different story---no disrespect to the OP or his friends.

Jim A
07-21-2009, 08:22 PM
if you want to play in most areas you need to self-rate in as a 3.0 anyways..so go ahead...if you win easily you can play up at 3.5 but likely you will win some, lose some

raiden031
07-21-2009, 08:36 PM
if someone is can win off of pure athleticism(ex. running a mile in about 4:50) can they essentially skip a few ntrp raintgs and start at 3.0.

im asking this because i beat my friends that play tennis on a regular basis and tennis is their main sport whereas mine is cross country. my friends are at about 3.5 level.

3.0 is not really skipping a few ratings. The only other rating below that is 2.5. Most players of decent athletic ability can reach the 3.0 level within a matter of weeks. Those a little more talented can reach 3.5 in a few months. I know a guy who was blowing real usta 3.5s off the court within 6 months because he was a former collegiate athlete and took some lessons. Now after 2 years the guy is competing with strong 4.0s.

goober
07-21-2009, 11:45 PM
if someone is can win off of pure athleticism(ex. running a mile in about 4:50) can they essentially skip a few ntrp raintgs and start at 3.0.

im asking this because i beat my friends that play tennis on a regular basis and tennis is their main sport whereas mine is cross country. my friends are at about 3.5 level.

You are not actually skipping ratings. You can just reach 3.0 from 1.0 in a very short time. An athletic guy who can run all day and push back balls can win at the 3.0 level after only playing a short time- weeks to months. 3.0 probably has the widest range of ability of any of the NTRP levels- from near beginners to older guys playing for years. I doubt your friends were legit 3.5s though.

amarone
07-22-2009, 10:51 AM
3.0 is not really skipping a few ratings. The only other rating below that is 2.5. Most players of decent athletic ability can reach the 3.0 level within a matter of weeks. This is an important point. I attended a USTA briefing in which they said that you should not rate yourself as to what you are right now, but where you expect to be in 6 - 8 weeks time. For most people, there is no difference, but the example they gave is exactly what we have here - an athletic person just taking up the sport now will improve very quickly, and so should allow for that when self-rating.

brad1730
07-24-2009, 03:17 PM
What's tough is the disparity between what 3.5 is considered within a club, a USTA league, and then a tournament. I was shocked at the increased level of competition with each step.