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Ano
07-24-2009, 02:18 AM
I consider my self a 4.0.

My favorite play is to hit a kick serve wide to the ad court and volley to the open court. I can hit it really wide.

However, I am not satisfied with the pace of my kick serve.

Any input on how to add pace to my kick serve? Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zitj5GG3eU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yey0i4KRJro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKQ7NJggSxA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm8hsNIK9n8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH-4W1J4QRQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pmBxLfsHOM

Failed
07-24-2009, 04:02 AM
Looking at the video with you serving just one serve where the ball barely touches the line and the kick is good doesn't really ask to be critiqued. It looks like you want a tap on the back by just posting one serve :/ Its nearly impossible to critique your serve by just looking at one serve. If you want more speed to your serve then simply try to move your weight more into the court. Your leg kicks to the right which tells me that your weight is moving right. So direct it more into the court which should lead into more power.

P.S. I am jealous if you can place it with that spin and hit it consistently.

Mike Cottrill
07-24-2009, 05:47 AM
Ano,
You inputs in the health section are great. Great contribution to the board.
When you are moving to the return it sounds like you are landing flat on your feet causing that slapping sound.

pvaudio
07-24-2009, 07:07 AM
What is there to critique? You hit one serve.

pvaudio
07-24-2009, 07:09 AM
Well, your footwork approaching the net was garbage. You aren't queuing for a buffet, bust your *** up there, split step then attack the volley.

Nellie
07-24-2009, 07:21 AM
Well - You are landing and falling to the left, trying hit the ball to the right - meaning you are getting no weight or energy from the body into that serve

Also, you have opened your shoulders too early so, although you have a deep knee bend, jump, and start turned to the ball, you end up hitting almost entirely with your arm. In fact, because of your racquet path, you end up hitting the serve entirely with the wrist. Try hitting without the knee bend, shoulder turn and back scratch some time and you will see that you get almost exact the same force.


so try -
tossing slightly further into the court (20cm) toward the intended target.

moving up and through the ball at the intended target, so that you land moving forward toward the net.

staying sideways for a little longer so that the extension of your arm, and the rotation of the shoulders and body are coordinated to provide force to the serve.

Double bagel
07-24-2009, 08:45 AM
errr...how about a longer video.:-?

LeeD
07-24-2009, 11:55 AM
Nellie's suggestions excellent...
Also, your takeback has the racket waaaaaay too high, so you lose power and rackethead speed. Lower it so your hands are shoulder or below, below is better because it allows you to hit UP on the ball from a lower hand position.
High is used really only by MartinaNav, and she had shoulder problems.
You don't look tall, so maybe kicks in the mid 70's is very good pace.

volusiano
07-24-2009, 12:12 PM
Ano, just want to say it's nice to see the man behind all those great posts in the health section live on video. You look as fit as I imagine you would!

WildVolley
07-24-2009, 01:17 PM
You seem to have a very nice racket drop, but the finish to your serve seems awkward. With both your arm and leg going way out to the side on the right while your body falls into the court on the left.

Here's my advice (take it for what you will). Turn your shoulders further to the right at the start of the serve. That way, your shoulders won't be almost parallel to the net at contact, but at more of an angle to the net. I think this will allow you to accelerate a little harder into the ball, still kick the serve, but make your recovery quicker and your follow through more to the center of your body and with better balance.

charliefedererer
07-24-2009, 01:52 PM
I would agree with others that the biggest potential to increase your racquet speed would be to rotate your shoulders/core back further around before beginning the forward part of your swing.
Also thanks for all the information on the health and fitness site. Welcome back.

ryangoring
07-24-2009, 11:25 PM
Well, your footwork approaching the net was garbage. You aren't queuing for a buffet, bust your *** up there, split step then attack the volley.

I love you.:shock: lol
I love the way you let them have it.
You must be a coach or just a smart *****, J/K, or did you stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
J/k J/k
I like your input on these boards especially on people.
Hopefully you can coach me!!!

Team_Volkl
07-25-2009, 01:57 AM
Honestly OP, there's nothing to critique. Your serve meets every requirement that needs to take place:

1) Good ball toss.

2) Weight transfer from back foot through front foot.

3) Proper racquet face contact with the ball.

However you achieve these three things, that's all that you need and how you get there is up to you and your style.

credit for this LOVELY bit of information goes to:

canadave

^^ This guy knows perhaps too much about serving, hah.

Ano
07-26-2009, 06:30 PM
Guys, thanks for all your suggestions.

I try to post another video, right now I am having trouble uploading the video to youtube.

Again, thanks for your all your advices.

Really appreciated.


Ryano.

Ano
07-26-2009, 06:38 PM
Oh, btw, I am 5'9", weighing around 163-165 pounds.

My kick serve have been measured with a radar gun at around 50-60 Mph.

I would be happy if I could hit it at around 70 Mph.

Ano
07-26-2009, 06:51 PM
Another video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yey0i4KRJro

I will try to post more video.

Ano
07-26-2009, 07:11 PM
more video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKQ7NJggSxA

Rickson
07-26-2009, 07:24 PM
Why do you preset your serve, Ano?

Ano
07-26-2009, 07:35 PM
Why do you preset your serve, Ano?

Hi mate, I don't understand what you meant with "preset" ?

Sorry, but English is not my primary languange.

Ano
07-26-2009, 07:40 PM
P.S. I am jealous if you can place it with that spin and hit it consistently.

Thanks for your reply. Actually, I can place it wide consistently. I just can't get enough pace.

Here's another video :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm8hsNIK9n8

Rickson
07-26-2009, 07:48 PM
Why do you set up your racquet before you toss the ball?

pvaudio
07-26-2009, 07:56 PM
Hi mate, I don't understand what you meant with "preset" ?

Sorry, but English is not my primary languange.
It's my primary language and I have no idea what he's on about :lol:

Ano
07-26-2009, 07:57 PM
Why do you set up your racquet before you toss the ball?

I have a problem to fix that bad habit.

I tried to bring my tossing arm and racket arm together, but always end up with the racket arm raised faster than the tossing arm.

Rickson
07-26-2009, 07:58 PM
I'm gonna get you for that, pvau.

pvaudio
07-26-2009, 07:59 PM
Actually, I see exactly what Rickson is saying. I think Ano's motion is a product of a traditional coach. They usually try to teach parts of the serve as independent pieces, and Ano is starting in the back-scratch position like lots of younger players do. Unfortunately, he's got so much potential to have a beastly kick, it's holding him back. Listen to what LeeD said, he helped me greatly.

pvaudio
07-26-2009, 08:00 PM
I'm gonna get you for that, pvau.
Lol :D :D :oops:

pvaudio
07-26-2009, 08:01 PM
Speaking of Ano, you do know that ano is "a nus" in Spanish, right?

Rickson
07-26-2009, 08:03 PM
Ano is Inodnesian and the number 1 advisor in the health & fitness section. I've been filling in for him while he was on vacation, but I'm hoping he takes his old job back.

pvaudio
07-26-2009, 08:04 PM
I'm not one for blood chokes anyway my friend, striking is where it's at.

That's neither here nor there, however.

J011yroger
07-26-2009, 08:09 PM
The serve you are talking about is actually one of my best. If my back isn't bothering me, I can hit it in the ad court up the sideline and into the side fence at about 110.

Here are some of my various serves, you will have to wait through or fast forward through the first 6 or 7 until you get to the ones we are talking about.

http://vimeo.com/4678697

For you, the first thing I would reccomend in getting more MPH on the kicker is tossing a bit further into the court.

The second thing is bring your racquet back all the way until you can feel a bit of pec stretch, and set up so that your hitting shoulder is lower than your tossing shoulder, and your hip is into the court over the baseline.

Your racquet drop is OUTSTANDING, probably due to your awesome level of flexibility and fitness. So there is no reason you should not be able to absolutely serve the cover off the ball. Pronation is very nice too.

So setting up as I am saying, with putting your front hip forward out into the court, when you bend your knees, instead of just going straight down as you do now, and setting your shoulders so the hitting shoulder is lower than the tossing shoulder, will set up the shoulder over shoulder rotation required to get pace on the ball, and still bring it down into the court. This coupled with the toss further into the court will get you the MPH.

Now I have a VERY steep shoulder tilt, and yours need not be as severe, but the hitting shoulder should be noticably lower.

Observe the difference I am talking about.

http://i25.tinypic.com/n1e36h.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/2conb80.jpg

J

pvaudio
07-26-2009, 08:15 PM
Another unrelated thing Ano: for being in outstanding shape, your footwork needs some work. Pick up a jumprope, work split step drills, do something, because when watching you guys hit, it's like to hit the ball then step around aimlessly until the next ball comes. Come on man, I know you've got quick feet, stay on your toes.

J011yroger
07-26-2009, 08:15 PM
Also, what grip do you use.

In the racquet drop, I don't understand what you are doing to get the racquet face paralell to your back instead of perpendicular.

Observe.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2z3ry1l.jpg

Compared to.

http://i28.tinypic.com/30vdqpw.jpg

J

J011yroger
07-26-2009, 08:19 PM
AH-HA! I see it now, just had to look at the pics side by side.

You are folding your arm up behind you because you are starting your racquet drop from behind your head instead of away from your body.

That is why your racquet goes all up, and no forward.

From your racquet drop position you have nowhere to go but straight up. If you tried to go forward to generate more pace, you would hit yourself in the back of your head with the butt of your racquet.

J

pvaudio
07-26-2009, 08:21 PM
http://i27.tinypic.com/2conb80.jpg
This is a tasty looking trophy pose, nice work brah

Rickson
07-26-2009, 08:32 PM
J011y, just out of curiosity. Why don't you go higher on your toes when you serve?

J011yroger
07-26-2009, 08:40 PM
J011y, just out of curiosity. Why don't you go higher on your toes when you serve?

I don't understand what you are asking?

Have you been into the sacremental wine again?

J

Rickson
07-26-2009, 08:50 PM
What is this, a running gag tonight? It's Rickson's not making any sense night. You see how Roddick is clearly on his tippy toes when he serves? When you serve, you seem to be more flat footed than Roddick. I do see you rise on your toes, but not to a Roddick like degree.

watch the feet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3vJdRUGUJ8&feature=related)

J011yroger
07-26-2009, 09:05 PM
What is this, a running gag tonight? It's Rickson's not making any sense night. You see how Roddick is clearly on his tippy toes when he serves? When you serve, you seem to be more flat footed than Roddick. I do see you rise on your toes, but not to a Roddick like degree.

watch the feet (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3vJdRUGUJ8&feature=related)

Oh, I get ya.

Roddick uses a more narrow base than I do.

I find it very difficult to balance serving like that because my motion is soooo long, and Roddick's is so quick, so I use a more spread out platform.

Federer would be a better comparison for me, as far as the feet go (Of course I am not particularly good at tennis so I am hesitant to draw any comparisons.)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2180/2425002724_3ff4a78d39.jpg

J

Rickson
07-26-2009, 09:14 PM
You'll get there one day, J011y.

pmata814
07-26-2009, 09:55 PM
J011y, I noticed you have a very high ball toss. Do you toss the same outdoors or do you make height adjustments? (particularly on windy days)

Ano
07-26-2009, 11:37 PM
Wow, thanks guys...

I use between continental and eastern backhand grip for my kick serve.

I toss the ball further into the court for my first serve, and toss the ball directly above my head for my second serve.

Jolly made very good points about shoulder tilt and racquet drop.

I started the thread because I played with a 15 year old junior player last month. The guy only stood 5'2'' and weighed 105 pounds, but his kick serve was faster and bounced higher than mine.

At that time I knew immediately that my technique was not good.

Again, I would like to thank all of you for replying this thread. Keep the advices coming..

Solat
07-27-2009, 03:04 AM
as jolly pointed out, your racquet motion is very close to your body and especially the drop which is so close to your back that you need to accelerate upward to avoid your body. The result is excellent spin but less pace.

once again jolly was spot on with his assessment of your lack of shoulder over shoulder rotation, by setting up with level shoulders you lack the ability to pull down the left elbow efficiently to help launch the right side of the body upward and forward which will greatly improve your racquet speed

J011yroger
07-27-2009, 04:06 AM
J011y, I noticed you have a very high ball toss. Do you toss the same outdoors or do you make height adjustments? (particularly on windy days)

Ya, I bring rain with my toss even outdoors. I struggle in wind, but any attempt to lower the toss ends in dismal failure, so I have decided just to live with it, and accept it.

J

Bungalo Bill
07-28-2009, 07:54 AM
I will take a look.

maleyoyo
07-28-2009, 09:29 AM
Nice serve to begin with. From what I can see, to add more pace you should:
1. Higher toss and hit it on the way down. Now it seems you hit it on the way up and your arm is not fully extended at contact. It loses a lot of power that way.

2. By tossing the ball and hitting it higher, you can incorporate more leg drive and your body into the shot. It seems now you use too much "arm". Propel your body up and forward, and lean on to your shot.

3. Hit through the ball more instead of just brushing it up.

4. You can be more agressive with you swing to increase raquet head speed.

5. Loose grip/wrist with good pronation. This is just a guess because you lift weight a lot and you may have tight wrist/grip. I know I do.

Ano
07-28-2009, 05:32 PM
.

5. Loose grip/wrist with good pronation. This is just a guess because you lift weight a lot and you may have tight wrist/grip. I know I do.


Very accurate guess.

I have been doing a lot of stretching and self-myofascial release (using a tennis ball) for my tight wrist flexor.

Thanks for your reply.

Ano
07-28-2009, 05:33 PM
I will take a look.

Thanks. I really appreciate if you spend a little of your time to give your opinion.

Bungalo Bill
07-28-2009, 10:18 PM
I consider my self a 4.0.

My favorite play is to hit a kick serve wide to the ad court and volley to the open court. I can hit it really wide.

However, I am not satisfied with the pace of my kick serve.

Any input on how to add pace to my kick serve? Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zitj5GG3eU0

If you want to add more pace some of the recommendtions above are good. It is largely in the stall your racquet makes as you toss the ball. You need to toss the ball while your racquet gains momentum which means it is moving.

Or the other thing you can think of doing is using an abbreviated serve which raises both arms up and you use your leg thrust upward and rotation to help you accelerate your racquet quickly.

Patrick Rafter is a good model to analyze for the abbreviated serve. He also had one of the toughest kick serves in the business which largely helped him be so successful.

If you do elect to use an abbreviated motion, make sure you spread your shoulders back and open your chest. This takes pressure off in the shoulder area and you dont pinch off a nerve in when your hitting arm swings to hit the ball. Over time, the nerve can become injured if you are not careful.

Ano
07-28-2009, 10:39 PM
Thanks Bill. Much appreciated.

J011yroger
07-29-2009, 04:11 AM
^^^ How goes the practice with it?

J

pvaudio
07-29-2009, 03:28 PM
HOwever to be complete, BB, Patrick Rafter's kick serve ended up tearing his rotator cuff.

Bungalo Bill
07-29-2009, 04:04 PM
HOwever to be complete, BB, Patrick Rafter's kick serve ended up tearing his rotator cuff.

I guess you didn't read the entire post

If you do elect to use an abbreviated motion, make sure you spread your shoulders back and open your chest. This takes pressure off in the shoulder area and you dont pinch off a nerve in when your hitting arm swings to hit the ball. Over time, the nerve can become injured if you are not careful.

Rickson
07-29-2009, 04:08 PM
It looks like you didn't actually have to volley as the ball appeared to be going out.

would it have landed out? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zitj5GG3eU0)

Ano
07-29-2009, 05:40 PM
^^^ How goes the practice with it?

J

I only play tennis on week end. I wish i have time to play tennis on weekdays.

I will start practicing your ideas on next Saturday and Sunday.

Thanks again for all your help.

Ano
07-29-2009, 05:45 PM
It looks like you didn't actually have to volley as the ball appeared to be going out.

would it have landed out? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zitj5GG3eU0)

Well, I will look better if I hit a volley winner in to the open court, instead of letting the ball land out. :)

But honestly, I hit the volley just to play safe, because I wasn't certain that the ball was going out.

pvaudio
07-30-2009, 06:41 AM
I guess you didn't read the entire post

If you do elect to use an abbreviated motion, make sure you spread your shoulders back and open your chest. This takes pressure off in the shoulder area and you dont pinch off a nerve in when your hitting arm swings to hit the ball. Over time, the nerve can become injured if you are not careful.
;) You are correct!

bryanj2u
07-30-2009, 07:11 AM
It looks like you didn't actually have to volley as the ball appeared to be going out.

would it have landed out? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zitj5GG3eU0)

no it was going in

2ndServe
07-30-2009, 06:44 PM
looks like the toss is a dead giveaway for a kicker out wide. I think it's a really effective and consistent serve if your group is all weekend players and even if they know it's going to the backhand they can't do anything about it.

if you've got a good or even decent hard serve down the T with the same toss to keep them honest, I'd change nothing. But if you play competitively a good returner will be sitting on top of the service line and taking that on the rise.

Rickson
07-30-2009, 06:47 PM
That ball was going out.

ronalditop
07-30-2009, 06:55 PM
Ano lol

Ano
07-30-2009, 09:44 PM
looks like the toss is a dead giveaway for a kicker out wide. I think it's a really effective and consistent serve if your group is all weekend players and even if they know it's going to the backhand they can't do anything about it.

if you've got a good or even decent hard serve down the T with the same toss to keep them honest, I'd change nothing. But if you play competitively a good returner will be sitting on top of the service line and taking that on the rise.


That's very true. When I play points with a top Junior Girl in my country, my kick serves got killed all the time. She takes my kick serve on the rise and drive the return with her 2 handed backhand down the line for a clean winner.

If I want to hit a hard slice down the T, I have to change the toss, and my opponent can read that.

Thanks for your reply.

Rickson
07-30-2009, 09:49 PM
Stick with the kick serve for the 2nd serve, even if it's predictable. Andy Roddick always serves out wide to the ad side on his 2nd serves, but he seems to win most of his 2nd serve points.

2ndServe
07-30-2009, 10:34 PM
I agree even if they know it's coming to the backhand most people can't do anything about it. Even if they have a monster forehand they'll be way of position on the next shot if they run around it.

Problem with relying on a kicker all the time and I've seen plenty who hit both 1st and 2nd kickers is you have to throw in something else slice, flat, opposite direction etc.

Even if it's 1.5 out of ten serves it's enough to plant a seed in their head, thus making you kicker more effective. The toss can slightly different but it's so different that Stevie Wonder knows you're telegraphing it then it won't do you any good.

Ano
07-30-2009, 11:05 PM
Stick with the kick serve for the 2nd serve, even if it's predictable. Andy Roddick always serves out wide to the ad side on his 2nd serves, but he seems to win most of his 2nd serve points.

I do that when I play with a weekend player (the guy in my videos is now a weekend player. He was an average junior player in my country 15 years a go).

However, I can't do that when I play with a top junior (even if the top junior is a girl), since they can drive the return with 2 handed backhand down the line.

When I play against a junior player, I have to mix the placement of my kick serves. Most of the time I hit it wide to the Ad court, but sometimes I hit it to my opponent body, and very rarely I hit to the T (Serving down the T to the ad court is my weakest serve).

2ndserve posts are spot on.

Rickson
07-31-2009, 06:39 AM
A slice serve down the T works wonders. Look at Nadal when he does it on the deuce side.

charaseac
08-06-2009, 03:38 PM
Off topic... The first thing that came in my mind when i saw the video: "The houses outside the court looked familiar"... Apparently i'm not the only Indonesian in this board...

Ultra2HolyGrail
08-06-2009, 03:55 PM
You need to get into better shape Ano, then you would have a amazing serve.

Ano
08-06-2009, 08:39 PM
You need to get into better shape Ano, then you would have a amazing serve.

How do I get into better shape?

Ano
08-06-2009, 08:42 PM
Off topic... The first thing that came in my mind when i saw the video: "The houses outside the court looked familiar"... Apparently i'm not the only Indonesian in this board...

Well, you certainly not the only Indonesian in this board.

Ano
08-06-2009, 08:50 PM
^^^ How goes the practice with it?

J

I went to the basic. I practiced to tilt my shoulder last Saturday and Sunday by throwing a tennis ball upward a hundred times.

Ultra2HolyGrail
08-07-2009, 01:56 AM
How do I get into better shape?



You know i'm just kidding ano. Technique is the bottom line.


A few observations if you dont mind, just watched vid, you have a pretty good motion i would say. I like it. I would say your racquet behind your head when you are tossing is holding up some power, i would try to get your right hand reaching for the fence instead of behind your head. Try to keep your serving hand as far away from your head as possible. Elbow and hand reaching towards the back fence as much as possible is best i can offer.

As far as your comming to net you need to split step more, you are running into the net to much, also your grip on your volleys needs alot of work imo. Might work for a easy crosscourt volley, but i bet you have trouble hitting straight down the line volleys with authority with that grip.

Ultra2HolyGrail
08-07-2009, 02:07 AM
What is there to critique? You hit one serve.


That's all one needs to see.

charaseac
08-07-2009, 01:44 PM
Well, you certainly not the only Indonesian in this board.

I can't find a way to send private message :confused: ; so im sorry for another off topic. Where in Jakarta is that? Planning to go back for vacation this December, and i might want to take some tennis lesson. (I want to go on more, but i dont think this is a good place to talk about it ;) )

Bungalo Bill
08-07-2009, 01:57 PM
How do I get into better shape?

Ano, I think you are too fat. Lose some weight. ;)

brtennis
08-08-2009, 02:33 PM
why faster serve? A slower serve gives you more time to rush to the net...

Bungalo Bill
08-08-2009, 04:55 PM
why faster serve? A slower serve gives you more time to rush to the net...

You dont want it too slow or they will have a good chance to pass you or lob you if you come in too quick or to close to the bet...but I follow you. You want both.

J011yroger
08-08-2009, 07:03 PM
why faster serve? A slower serve gives you more time to rush to the net...

Rush the net?

I went up there to spin the racquet, and I will go back when it is time to shake hands.

What more do you want?

J

Ano
08-09-2009, 06:20 PM
You know i'm just kidding ano. Technique is the bottom line.


A few observations if you dont mind, just watched vid, you have a pretty good motion i would say. I like it. I would say your racquet behind your head when you are tossing is holding up some power, i would try to get your right hand reaching for the fence instead of behind your head. Try to keep your serving hand as far away from your head as possible. Elbow and hand reaching towards the back fence as much as possible is best i can offer.

As far as your comming to net you need to split step more, you are running into the net to much, also your grip on your volleys needs alot of work imo. Might work for a easy crosscourt volley, but i bet you have trouble hitting straight down the line volleys with authority with that grip.


Thanks for the good advices.

Ano
08-09-2009, 06:21 PM
Ano, I think you are too fat. Lose some weight. ;)

Yeah, plenty of my friends also said that. :)

Ano
08-09-2009, 06:49 PM
I can't find a way to send private message :confused: ; so im sorry for another off topic. Where in Jakarta is that? Planning to go back for vacation this December, and i might want to take some tennis lesson. (I want to go on more, but i dont think this is a good place to talk about it ;) )

That place is Kedoya Sport Club, at Jalan Kedoya Palma Raya.

I am not a member there, I only play there on holidays.

If you want to talk more about taking some tennis lesson on next December, please feel free to use this thread to talk about it.

film1
08-09-2009, 09:19 PM
Nice placement and volley but you want more power and in your case more torque.

Get in your service stance and throw a few tennis balls fairly hard toward your target in the service court without moving your feet. This will make you coil before you release the ball.
Notice the muscles you are using to throw the ball to the target and incorporate more of them into your serve and it will have significantly more power.

ubermeyer
08-09-2009, 09:21 PM
Um, it looked like the volley you hit was going WAAAAY out anyway... but I'm not sure from the angle the camera was at.

Good serve though.

Ano
08-11-2009, 06:38 PM
After seeing this thread : http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=223867 , I used this : http://www.donthireddy.us/tennis/speed.html to calculate the speed of my kick serve.

The serve's speed from this link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yey0i4KRJro was estimated at 60.7 MPH (30 fps, distance traveled in air 56 feet, 22 frames).

Ano
08-11-2009, 06:54 PM
The serve's speed from this link:

The speed of my serve in this link : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm8hsNIK9n8 was estimated at 62.9 Mph. (30 fps, distrance traveled in air 60 feet, 23 frames).

What embarrased me was the fact that both were first serves.

J011yroger
08-12-2009, 07:11 PM
Have you practiced what I said?

With your racquet in the position it is in at the bottom of your drop you cannot possibly get any MPH on your serve, if you try you will hit yourself in the back of the head with the buttcap of your racquet.

J

fruitytennis1
08-12-2009, 08:30 PM
As some one mentioned before your footwork up to the net isnt the best. Put some split step in there.

Ano
08-12-2009, 09:51 PM
Have you practiced what I said?

With your racquet in the position it is in at the bottom of your drop you cannot possibly get any MPH on your serve, if you try you will hit yourself in the back of the head with the buttcap of your racquet.

J

Yes, I have. Last Saturday and Sunday ( I can only play tennis on weekends), I practiced hitting 100 serves by imitating your trophy pose. (I started the movement with my right elbow low, shoulder tilted and then I tossed the ball and hit).

I missed hit the majority of them, and very few of the serves went in.

And by the time I played points, my service motion went back to the original. It's very hard to break a wrong muscle memory.

I plan to practice my serve everyday for a week next month (there will be holidays in my country next month). Starting from now, I have to prepare my shoulder for next month practice sessions by doing plenty of YTWLI : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-PLpC2Zlo

One top tennis coach in my country have agreed to supervise my practice sessions next month for free. Well, not completely free, since he asked me to design conditioning programs for his top junior players. :)


As some one mentioned before your footwork up to the net isnt the best. Put some split step in there.

Yes, pvaudio mentioned about my lousy footwoork. I agree with him and you. This video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH-4W1J4QRQ also clearly show my lousy foot work.

I have practiced to shaddow serve, take 3 steps and then split step.

Thanks for your suggestion. Much appreciated.

Ano
08-12-2009, 11:11 PM
Another unrelated thing Ano: for being in outstanding shape, your footwork needs some work. Pick up a jumprope, work split step drills, do something, because when watching you guys hit, it's like to hit the ball then step around aimlessly until the next ball comes. Come on man, I know you've got quick feet, stay on your toes.

Thanks. I have followed your advice.

J011yroger
08-13-2009, 04:24 AM
Yes, I have. Last Saturday and Sunday ( I can only play tennis on weekends), I practiced hitting 100 serves by imitating your trophy pose. (I started the movement with my right elbow low, shoulder tilted and then I tossed the ball and hit).

I missed hit the majority of them, and very few of the serves went in.

And by the time I played points, my service motion went back to the original. It's very hard to break a wrong muscle memory.

Ok, and of course any bad habit is going to be hard to break.

This change in these two pictures is going to be what makes the difference.

If you can video your practice, and see if you have made this change, then you'll know you are on the right track.

Observe.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2z3ry1l.jpg

Compared to.

http://i28.tinypic.com/30vdqpw.jpg

Once you get that, the pace will come. If you have the racquet folded up behind you paralell to your back, you will never be able to generate pace, only spin.

J