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Fedfan1234
08-05-2009, 06:46 AM
How many of you believe that the knee injury of Nadal is his own fault?
Is it the way he plays the game? Did he bring it on himself by entering to many tournaments? Or was it just bad luck?
And how will he recover from this injury?

I don't think Option 8 is fair and ridiculous according to me, but read somewhere that people actually believe this. I don't see why they would lie about drug abuse, but tell me what you think.

S H O W S T O P P E R !
08-05-2009, 07:22 AM
How can it not be his own fault? Did Roger Federer come into his house at night and bang those puppies up with a lead pipe?

flyinghippos101
08-05-2009, 07:32 AM
Agreed, it was his own fault. He was fully aware of the inevitable that were to come from his style of play

sureshs
08-05-2009, 07:33 AM
It is not his style of play, it is the intensity he brings to it (which accounts for his superb winning record against the "GOAT")

OroDeSantoro
08-05-2009, 07:37 AM
It is not his style of play, it is the intensity he brings to it (which accounts for his superb winning record against the "GOAT")

Isn't his intensity part of his style of play?

jrod
08-05-2009, 07:39 AM
It is not his style of play, it is the intensity he brings to it (which accounts for his superb winning record against the "GOAT")

Translation please?

sureshs
08-05-2009, 07:45 AM
Translation please?

There are many baseliners (though Nadal can also come to the net and has won Wimbledon). What distinguishes Nadal is how he tracks down every ball and plays every point as if it is the most important one, and never gives up. This is what causes all the extra running and retrievals. Others would just give up. So it is not the style from a technical viewpoint (if so, his shoulder's would be the problem with all that topspin action), it is the execution of the style to its completion. That is what drove Federer crazy - all of his smooth movement and graceful shots just broke down when he faced Nadal.

theroleoftheunderdog
08-05-2009, 07:46 AM
dumb question

jrod
08-05-2009, 08:00 AM
...So it is not the style from a technical viewpoint (if so, his shoulder's would be the problem with all that topspin action), it is the execution of the style to its completion....

"the execution of the style to its completion"....ahhh, it all makes perfect sense now.

wtf?

pmerk34
08-05-2009, 08:08 AM
Agreed, it was his own fault. He was fully aware of the inevitable that were to come from his style of play

You're right he should play you you do. what is your ranking?

pmerk34
08-05-2009, 08:09 AM
There are many baseliners (though Nadal can also come to the net and has won Wimbledon). What distinguishes Nadal is how he tracks down every ball and plays every point as if it is the most important one, and never gives up. This is what causes all the extra running and retrievals. Others would just give up. So it is not the style from a technical viewpoint (if so, his shoulder's would be the problem with all that topspin action), it is the execution of the style to its completion. That is what drove Federer crazy - all of his smooth movement and graceful shots just broke down when he faced Nadal.

what sets him apart his his historic amount of spin on the ball coupled with the pace he hits.

If running down balls and never giving up made you an all time great than Michael Chang would be GOAT.

rommil
08-05-2009, 08:12 AM
Unless you can absolutely prove Tonya Harding had nothing to do with it then I say it's Nadal's own fault.

ttbrowne
08-05-2009, 08:20 AM
Yes, That style he plays makes it tough to last. I say he really needs to start being super-selective on his tourneys.

pmerk34
08-05-2009, 08:27 AM
Yes, That style he plays makes it tough to last. I say he really needs to start being super-selective on his tourneys.

Finally some sane advice. Anyone here trying to tell Nadal to change anything tennis wise on the court is a clown.

Enigma_87
08-05-2009, 08:52 AM
Why would anyone fake an injury to lose his #1 spot? It makes no sense at all.

It's pretty obvious that Nadal was/is injured and that was the reason to miss Wimbey.

With that being said tho, I don't believe he was injured prior to RG and in the match against Soderling. in the previous match he looked as the same old 2008 Nadal and gave Hewitt the beating of his life.

As for the knee injury - it's not his fault either. It's just the way he plays. If he didn't grind his way to the titles he won't be the same player.

GameSampras
08-05-2009, 09:37 AM
Yes and no.. I think there are lots of people who can be credited for shortening Rafa's career his with ridiculous style of play. ITs not all Rafa..

From Uncle Toni and down the line. No one ever taught Rafa an easier style of play.. Teaching him the ability to win easy points and not expend so much energy just to win a point or a game.

I always said, Rafa just developing a much bigger 1st and 2nd serve would have done wonders for his career.


Its too late now though.. He has the knees and legs of a guy much older than 23 years of age and the damage has been done.. He cant even begin or end a season healthy..

And it wont be long until Rafa fades into obscurity, and eventually retirement

Serendipitous
08-05-2009, 09:40 AM
Yes and no.. I think there are lots of people who can be credited for shortening Rafa's career his with ridiculous style of play. ITs not all Rafa..

From Uncle Toni and down the line. No one ever taught Rafa an easier style of play.. Teaching him the ability to win easy points and not expend so much energy just to win a point or a game.

I always said, Rafa just developing a much bigger 1st and 2nd serve would have done wonders for his career.


Its too late now though.. He has the knees and legs of a guy much older than 23 years of age and the damage has been done.. He cant even begin or end a season healthy..

And it wont be long until Rafa fades into obscurity, and eventually retirement


That was very poetic......and sad.....:(

Enigma_87
08-05-2009, 09:51 AM
Yes and no.. I think there are lots of people who can be credited for shortening Rafa's career his with ridiculous style of play. ITs not all Rafa..

From Uncle Toni and down the line. No one ever taught Rafa an easier style of play.. Teaching him the ability to win easy points and not expend so much energy just to win a point or a game.

I always said, Rafa just developing a much bigger 1st and 2nd serve would have done wonders for his career.


Its too late now though.. He has the knees and legs of a guy much older than 23 years of age and the damage has been done.. He cant even begin or end a season healthy..

And it wont be long until Rafa fades into obscurity, and eventually retirement

Nadal won 2 slams in 08, a Olympic gold medal and the #1 ranking. He won the AO this year copleting 3 out of 4 slams won, from 04 till now he constantly improves on every surface.

Why would anyone(Nadal and his uncle included) change the winning formula? Sure his career won't be as long as Agassi or Connors, but his style won him 6 slams already at 23.

He has a chronic problem alright, but if he tries to change his game he may very well be not as successful, no?

FedFan_2009
08-05-2009, 10:37 AM
His own fault of course. Those saying that Fed's FO + W aren't legit because Nadal was out have to understand that that heroic AO semi + final cost him his knees by that point. He basically traded his knees for that win over Roger.

sureshs
08-05-2009, 10:57 AM
what sets him apart his his historic amount of spin on the ball coupled with the pace he hits.

If running down balls and never giving up made you an all time great than Michael Chang would be GOAT.

Nadal is taller and stronger than Chang, and hits a heavier ball.

DownTheLine
08-05-2009, 11:01 AM
I picked Faker, but he isn't faking it... I hope not anyways.

It's his own fault. He should know how his game will take a toll on his body and should have played less tournaments and matches then he did. Also, why would he take his tap off his knees when they are that bad?(If they are for that matter)

I heard he toke it off because the pain was unbearable so he thought he shouldn't even bother. But, if the pain is that bad why would he continue to harm his body?

CocaCola
08-05-2009, 11:40 AM
No. 2

10 char

pmerk34
08-05-2009, 11:44 AM
Nadal is taller and stronger than Chang, and hits a heavier ball.

Yeah no kidding. The ludicrous insults on this board that he's " a retriever who never gives up" are tiresome.

nytennisaddict
08-05-2009, 11:50 AM
I think the poll should be modified to be:

"which knee(s) would you sacrafice (eg. torn miniscus/ligament/etc... and still be able to walk/but not compete afterwards) to win 6 GS championships, X titles, and an Olympic gold?"

a) left
b) right
c) both
d) i'd rather save both knees, and not accomplish anything in my (tennis) life even though i have the talent and ability to.

sureshs
08-05-2009, 11:54 AM
Yeah no kidding. The ludicrous insults on this board that he's " a retriever who never gives up" are tiresome.

They will go away once he bagels Federer in Montreal (assuming Fed gets to the final).

theroleoftheunderdog
08-05-2009, 11:56 AM
They will go away once he bagels Federer in Montreal (assuming Fed gets to the final).

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

pmerk34
08-05-2009, 12:02 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

After that beat down in Paris anything is possible. Fed certainly ain't bageling him

Carsomyr
08-05-2009, 12:23 PM
I won't say it's his fault due to his style of play; sure, it doesn't lend itself to longevity, but it has brought him tremendous short-term results in a remarkable span of time against arguably the greatest player in the history of the game.

However, it is his fault for his lack of scheduling sense; his clay season is takes an absurd pounding on his body, with event after event after event. It's no wonder he loses steam after Wimbledon.

namelessone
08-05-2009, 12:47 PM
Well it's his fault obviously but I don't think he would have it otherwise.
Nadal fight until the end on court.That's his biggest strength and his weakness.A Nadal who would be pacing himself just wouldn't be Nadal.That's why it's the main trait for which Nadal is known and loved.

He gives all on court,even with the risk on breaking his body.
IMO his problem is not his playing style(well it is a problem but not that much),it is his schedule.He shouldn't be playing so many HC tournaments and he certainly shouldn't be playing 2 weeks in a row,unless it's a GS.
He played 3 tournaments this year which weren't necessary:Rotterdam,a small event after pounding his knees at the AO HC Slam,Barcelona,a 500 tourney which he won for the 5th freaking time and Madrid,on a surface he didn't like and in a tournament he didn't particularly want to enter,but did because it was in Spain.He made it to the finals in each of these 3 events,and he played another couple of matches which he shouldn't have played.If he had used these weeks to rest he would have been better off.

I was getting my hopes up when I saw him withdraw from SW19.I thought he had learned from his mistakes.Apparently not.
According to Rafa,if he will be fully healthy,this will be his schedule:

1)Montreal starting 08.08
2)Cincinatti starting 16.08
3)USOpen starting 31.08
4)Davis Cup SF starting 18.09
5)Bangkok starting 28.09
6)Beijing starting 05.10
7)Shanghai starting 12.10
8 )Paris Masters starting 08.11
9)TMC London starting 22.11
10)Davis Cup Final starting 04.12

Call me crazy but that's a lot of tournaments and most,if not all of them,will be on HC.And considering the fact that Rafa will go deep in most of them I don't think this schedule is a wise one.Perhaps I am a bit pessimistic but I don't see him staying healthy playing this much on HC,even after a long break.

flyinghippos101
08-05-2009, 03:47 PM
You're right he should play you you do. what is your ranking?

I speak english and chinese, but not broken english. Please provide a legible english translation. Thanks :)

veritech
08-05-2009, 04:16 PM
I picked Faker, but he isn't faking it... I hope not anyways.

It's his own fault. He should know how his game will take a toll on his body and should have played less tournaments and matches then he did. Also, why would he take his tap off his knees when they are that bad?(If they are for that matter)

I heard he toke it off because the pain was unbearable so he thought he shouldn't even bother. But, if the pain is that bad why would he continue to harm his body?

i was watching the LA open and i don't remember who said it, (one of the ESPN commentators) but that guy said that nadal didn't tape his knees because having the tape on actually hurt more than having them off.