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bolo
08-06-2009, 07:00 PM
Since the last one was derailed.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Rust+shows+Nadal+takes+practice+court/1867591/story.html

Doesn't look good, if nadal has a tough opponent in the 1st round I would bet against nadal. I remember the 2007 match versus safin, it was clear he hadn't touched a racquet in a while and his timing was very off in that first set and he had to scramble quite a bit to stay in the first set. I expect something similar or worse here.

clayman2000
08-06-2009, 07:05 PM
If Nadal looses his 1st match back, i will leave this board forever.... thats right. Thats my faith in Rafa. In fact ill make it two matches. If Rafa doesn not make the QF, i will leave the board

bolo
08-06-2009, 07:11 PM
If Nadal looses his 1st match back, i will leave this board forever.... thats right. Thats my faith in Rafa. In fact ill make it two matches. If Rafa doesn not make the QF, i will leave the board

No reason to leave, although I like the enthusiasm. :) If he loses it's more time for a leisurely come back. If he wins he gets more on court practice. Either scenario there are postives and negatives. Will be fun either way.

norbac
08-06-2009, 07:13 PM
I'm glad Rafa's returning. I've recently become a Rafa fan and I can't wait till next week.

bolo
08-06-2009, 07:16 PM
I'm glad Rafa's returning. I've recently become a Rafa fan and I can't wait till next week.

welcome to the club. :)

backhand winner
08-06-2009, 07:17 PM
Nadal was grabbing his knee and not moving well? Well I guess that tendinitis is not going away. :(

bolo
08-06-2009, 07:21 PM
Nadal was grabbing his knee and not moving well? Well I guess that tendinitis is not going away. :(

My sense from some readings is that it will not go away without at least 6 months of non-playing. So I expect he will have to play with varying degrees of tendonitis for the rest of his playing career.

Lifted
08-06-2009, 07:39 PM
He should avoid doing these (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/photo/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,ap:20050301:ten,photo,7 a841086bcbf45bfb342eec5f48dfcd5.rogers_cup_nadal_t ennis_pch103:1#photoViewer=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.y ahoo%2Cap%3A20050301%3Aten%2Cphoto%2C957494b748fe4 f9d880b9a8f037a40d7.rogers_cup_nadal_tennis_gmh102 %3A1).

drakulie
08-06-2009, 07:57 PM
He should avoid doing these (http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/photo/im:urn:newsml:sports.yahoo,ap:20050301:ten,photo,7 a841086bcbf45bfb342eec5f48dfcd5.rogers_cup_nadal_t ennis_pch103:1#photoViewer=urn%3Anewsml%3Asports.y ahoo%2Cap%3A20050301%3Aten%2Cphoto%2C957494b748fe4 f9d880b9a8f037a40d7.rogers_cup_nadal_tennis_gmh102 %3A1).

yeah, that is the perfect treatment for knee injuries. Jumping up and down on a hard court repeatedly and very rapidly.

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090806/capt.957494b748fe4f9d880b9a8f037a40d7.rogers_cup_n adal_tennis_gmh102.jpg

theroleoftheunderdog
08-06-2009, 08:04 PM
looks like federer is going to "side-step" rafa again

Gen
08-06-2009, 10:26 PM
I don't think this first practice session is a big deal. We'll have to wait for the first match to make some intelligent judgement.

Remember, Rafa always came back strong after injuries. The most current example is the last year end. He had to withdraw from Paris, final championship, his best beloved Davis Cup. And what? He came back to win his first hardcourt slam.

Of course, a lot will depend on the draw. If he can have a couple of fairly comfortable rounds, I don't think people will have to leave this forum :).

rommil
08-06-2009, 10:29 PM
Rafa should do this....it's good for his tendonitis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dda3SYNk5h4

namelessone
08-06-2009, 10:45 PM
Since the last one was derailed.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Rust+shows+Nadal+takes+practice+court/1867591/story.html

Doesn't look good, if nadal has a tough opponent in the 1st round I would bet against nadal. I remember the 2007 match versus safin, it was clear he hadn't touched a racquet in a while and his timing was very off in that first set and he had to scramble quite a bit to stay in the first set. I expect something similar or worse here.

Well what did you expect,that he would blow everybody away after being sidelined for 2 months? He is taking it slowly and it's for the best.Right know he needs to stop thinking about the knees(if the pain isn't too big) and try to improve his movement.When he will do that he can focus on his shot-making.
Nadal said that he still has some pain after 2 months but feels good enough to give it a go.He has low expectations so it's like an official exo for him.If he makes it far it means he will have recovered some of his form and that his knees are holding out.If he doesn't it means he isn't ready yet,both game-wise and knee-wise to come back yet and will go to rest some more.

He should have started in Cincy but I guess he was really wants to come back to tennis.

rommil
08-06-2009, 10:49 PM
It's going to take some time for Rafa to blow everybody away in the tennis court but he is going to dazzle us with the new talent he has honed while he was out because of tendinitis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dda3SYNk5h4

zagor
08-06-2009, 10:55 PM
Will be interesting to see how well Nadal does at Montreal.Even if he's almost fully recovered from injury he's bound to be a bit rusty given that he didn't play this long and HC is far from being his best surface.

Nadalfan89
08-06-2009, 11:15 PM
I don't expect Nadal to give it 100%.

I doubt he'll make the semis.

deltox
08-06-2009, 11:21 PM
coming back from injuries is not easy, im sure there are some who have and who will come back and win the next tourney they enter but its few and far between. i wish him the best of luck, but i see him going out in the quarters or before just from being out of practice and rusty

mandy01
08-06-2009, 11:30 PM
I think he'll do well..but then again it matters not.He's going to be fine for USO and a top contender.

Gen
08-06-2009, 11:38 PM
If the writer of this article thinks that this is an unhappy face
http://img25.imageshack.us/i/1867525.jpg/
http://img11.imageshack.us/i/80001191.jpg/

and this is Rafa struggling with his knees
http://img8.imageshack.us/i/19955160.jpg/

maybe he should go to ophthalmologist to check his eyes.

ninman
08-06-2009, 11:41 PM
If the writer of this article thinks that this is an unhappy face
http://img25.imageshack.us/i/1867525.jpg/
http://img11.imageshack.us/i/80001191.jpg/

and this is Rafa struggling with his knees
http://img8.imageshack.us/i/19955160.jpg/

maybe he should go to ophthalmologist to check his eyes.

I bet that Nadal does some of this in his training regime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ffs_5DMJLw&feature=fvw

CountryHillbilly
08-07-2009, 12:05 AM
So, Rafa turned out like a drama queen.

He probably won't do very well in Montreal, but he better be ready to make US Open interesting. Other players may pump their self-confidence by beating Rafa in Monstreal and Cinci.

babbette
08-07-2009, 01:55 AM
yay, Vamos Rafa. About looking "rusty" what the f8ck do they expect! :P

Just do your thing Mr Nadal, even if it's not up to your usual standards at the moment. Forget the haters, they're not the ones who millions doing what you do, let them keep talking :)

bolo
08-09-2009, 09:21 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12110_5481610,00.html

An accurate nadal picture about the current state of affairs. :)

Vamos,

maximo
08-09-2009, 09:24 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12110_5481610,00.html

An accurate nadal picture about the current state of affairs. :)

Vamos,

Oh no! :(

Poor Nadal, wish i could give him my knees...

The only bright side is Murray can now take the #2 spot!

bolo
08-09-2009, 09:27 AM
Oh no! :(

Poor Nadal, wish i could give him my knees...

The only bright side is Murray can now take the #2 spot!

Yeah murray has a good shot at the #2 spot. If he can get more aggressive he could even take the no. 1 imo. Enjoy Maximio. :)

フェデラー
08-09-2009, 09:32 AM
Yeah murray has a good shot at the #2 spot. If he can get more aggressive he could even take the no. 1 imo. Enjoy Maximio. :)

Not anymore. Murray's points dropped off so now he is 1015 points off Nadal. Which means he is 2800 points behind Federer. Maybe next year Murray.

FedFan_2009
08-09-2009, 09:33 AM
Rafa will be lucky to win one match.

FedFan_2009
08-09-2009, 09:34 AM
yay, Vamos Rafa. About looking "rusty" what the f8ck do they expect! :P

Just do your thing Mr Nadal, even if it's not up to your usual standards at the moment. Forget the haters, they're not the ones who millions doing what you do, let them keep talking :)

And the ****** fangirls all clap in unison.

rafan
08-09-2009, 09:35 AM
I would hate him to become one of those players that just disappear because of injury - like so many that could have been really great - please noooooo.

Aabye
08-09-2009, 09:36 AM
Rafa will be lucky to win one match.

Put a sock in it. If he wins more than one you had better be prepared to get hounded.

FedFan_2009
08-09-2009, 09:37 AM
Put a sock in it. If he wins more than one you had better be prepared to get hounded.

Oh I'm prepared. But mark my words - QFs are it!!!

batz
08-09-2009, 09:41 AM
Not anymore. Murray's points dropped off so now he is 1015 points off Nadal. Which means he is 2800 points behind Federer. Maybe next year Murray.

Rafa's 800 OG points fall off on the 17th. Murray only needs 240 points more than Rafa from Cincy and Montreal combined to take number 2.

I have no idea what the gap would be to Roger, but there are 4000 points up for grabs over the next few weeks. A Murray win over Roger in the USO final alone would be a 1400 point swing to Murray.

Now, I don't think that will happen, but it's not impossible, and it's certainly not something we'd need to wait until next year to see.

bolo
08-09-2009, 09:52 AM
I would hate him to become one of those players that just disappear because of injury - like so many that could have been really great - please noooooo.

Hard to say because the rule of thumb with injuries is obfuscation. There are absolutely zero incentives to tell the complete truth (the full extent) when it comes to injuries.

Keeping that in mind, the key for nadal is to think long term and break the strong desire to keep playing continously, play lots of tournaments and to not lose your ranking points.

Pros seem to get in this cycle, young safin was a good example of this, of not wanting to fall back in the pack and to hold on to their current position at all costs. Nadal is still very young if he really has to take 6 months off to fully recover he should consider seriously doing that, even if that means falling behind.


Vamos,

Aabye
08-09-2009, 09:58 AM
Oh I'm prepared. But mark my words - QFs are it!!!

See, now you've changed your tune. First it was "he won't win more than a match", and now it's "QFs aree it".And since this is a first time Nadal has been playing since RG, no one would really be surprised if he lost in the QFs.

VivalaVida
08-09-2009, 10:01 AM
Hopefully Nadal can bounce back strong. Here is my favorite Nadal pic.
http://ychittaranjan.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/rafaelnadal.jpg

bolo
08-09-2009, 10:02 AM
Hopefully Nadal can bounce back strong. Here is my favorite Nadal pic.
http://ychittaranjan.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/rafaelnadal.jpg

That is an awesome pic. VivalaVida. Thanks for posting.

VivalaVida
08-09-2009, 10:06 AM
That is an awesome pic. VivalaVida. Thanks for posting.
No problem. Thanks for posting that article. Unfortunately, in that article Rafa doesnt seem to confident.

Blinkism
08-09-2009, 10:09 AM
Nadal's playing doubles with Fransisco Roig in Montreal. He faces Djokovic/Vemic in the first round.

Does anyone else think that's a stupid idea, or is he trying to get competitive matches under his belt?

Aabye
08-09-2009, 10:10 AM
Nadal's playing doubles with Fransisco Roig in Montreal. He faces Djokovic/Vemic in the first round.

Does anyone else think that's a stupid idea, or is he trying to get competitive matches under his belt?

I think both. It is a stupid idea, and he'll inevitably explain it way by saying he need more matches under his belt.

GasquetGOAT
08-09-2009, 10:10 AM
Hopefully Nadal can bounce back strong. Here is my favorite Nadal pic.


And here is mine.;)

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp133/bn4769/rafa.jpg

maximo
08-09-2009, 10:11 AM
Nadal's playing doubles with Fransisco Roig in Montreal. He faces Djokovic/Vemic in the first round.

Does anyone else think that's a stupid idea, or is he trying to get competitive matches under his belt?

Since Nadal's not match fit i think in a way he has to or he will struggle even more against players in the singles.

VivalaVida
08-09-2009, 10:19 AM
And here is mine.;)

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp133/bn4769/rafa.jpg
Not bad. But this tops it. Rafa with his son.
http://morristsai.com/assets_c/2008/09/b_0901_040_babynadal-thumb-300x428.jpg

zagor
08-09-2009, 10:19 AM
Hard to say because the rule of thumb with injuries is obfuscation. There are absolutely zero incentives to tell the complete truth (the full extent) when it comes to injuries.

Keeping that in mind, the key for nadal is to think long term and break the strong desire to keep playing continously, play lots of tournaments and to not lose your ranking points.

Pros seem to get in this cycle, young safin was a good example of this, of not wanting to fall back in the pack and to hold on to their current position at all costs. Nadal is still very young if he really has to take 6 months off to fully recover he should consider seriously doing that, even if that means falling behind.


Vamos,

I think it's too early to despair,sure he missed a slam because of injury but he's certainly not the only one to do so(Murray missed both FO and Wimbledon 2 years ago for example,Kolja missed AO and recently won 2 tourneys in a row for the first time,Tsonga missed plenty of slams but seems to be fine healtwise this year etc.).That hardly signals the end for Nadal IMO but people tend to exaggarate because his withdrawal is much more on the radar(because of his status as an all-time great)and because of his very physical playing style.Nadal is still young and showed in the past that he can come strong after injury so I sincerely doubt he won't win more big titles in the future(slams,masters etc.).

However it is also true that he does have an obvious problem with tendinitis so taking 6 months off to rest and heal maybe isn't such a bad idea,however such long layoff always has some risks(look what happened to Mcenroe for example).

bolo
08-09-2009, 10:21 AM
No problem. Thanks for posting that article. Unfortunately, in that article Rafa doesnt seem to confident.

Have you seen the similar pic. of federer from the australian? It's an overheard shot, both feet of the ground, hitting what looks to be a huge forehand. Probably from 2004 or 2005.

VivalaVida
08-09-2009, 10:23 AM
Have you seen the similar pic. of federer from the australian? It's an overheard shot, both feet of the ground, hitting what looks to be a huge forehand. Probably from 2004 or 2005.
Was it this one?
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4618/federer2.jpg

Lifted
08-09-2009, 10:27 AM
Nadal's playing doubles with Fransisco Roig in Montreal. He faces Djokovic/Vemic in the first round.

Does anyone else think that's a stupid idea, or is he trying to get competitive matches under his belt?

I think both. It is a stupid idea, and he'll inevitably explain it way by saying he need more matches under his belt.

I'm a bit torn on this one, and the answer as to whether I think it's stupid or not really depends on the extent of his recovery so far. If he's recovered and okay, then I suppose clearing out the rust by playing doubles isn't a bad idea, but if he's still technically injured (to whatever extent), then this is a bad idea and demonstrates that Nadal has not learned his lesson.

Then again, he could be trying to shake off the rust after his suspension. ;)8-)

veritech
08-09-2009, 10:28 AM
Hopefully Nadal can bounce back strong. Here is my favorite Nadal pic.
http://ychittaranjan.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/rafaelnadal.jpg

that is a GREAT photo. +1

bolo
08-09-2009, 10:34 AM
I think it's too early to despair,sure he missed a slam because of injury but he's certainly not the only one to do so(Murray missed both FO and Wimbledon 2 years ago for example,Kolja missed AO and recently won 2 tourneys in a row for the first time,Tsonga missed plenty of slams but seems to be fine healtwise this year etc.).That hardly signals the end for Nadal IMO but people tend to exaggarate because his withdrawal is much more on the radar(because of his status as an all-time great)and because of his very physical playing style.Nadal is still young and showed in the past that he can come strong after injury so I sincerely doubt he won't win more big titles in the future(slams,masters etc.).

However it is also true that he does have an obvious problem with tendinitis so taking 6 months off to rest and heal maybe isn't such a bad idea,however such long layoff always has some risks(look what happened to Mcenroe for example).

Yeah there is some risk of not getting that mojo back on the return. I think that probably does play some into why these guys keep pushing. I agree with you that overall this is likely not a dire situation.

But now I also believe that the nadal camp has shown some clear signs of having lost track of the big picture. They have basically shown over the last 1.5 years that they can't control nadal's competitiveness even in situations where the risks are high and the rewards are low; have sacrificed some long term success for some short term success.

Toni's hard *** nature probably doesn't help either in this situation, since he seems like the you should suck it up and play type. But it was good to see that he was pushing nadal to not play during wimbledon. Maybe he also now realizes that they have gone too far, although I have to say it was some kind of streak that they put together from the clay court season last year to the end of the clay court season this year. :)

Blinkism
08-09-2009, 10:34 AM
Then again, he could be trying to shake off the rust after his suspension. ;)8-)

He's got a lot of spare energy built up from all the extra steroids he indulged in during his "forced vacation"

bolo
08-09-2009, 10:35 AM
Was it this one?
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/4618/federer2.jpg

kind of, but a lot better. :) It not totally similar to the nadal picture, even more directly overhead and fed. is more in the middle of the court IIRC. I will find it later, it's pretty good.

bolo
08-09-2009, 11:35 AM
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1519/36077675775bj8.jpg

here is the one I was thinking about, although now I am remembering another even better one. Aust. 2005 I think.

FedFan_2009
08-09-2009, 11:38 AM
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1519/36077675775bj8.jpg

here is the one I was thinking about, although now I am remembering another even better one. Aust. 2005 I think.

Awesome! So wonderful to see pics of Fed in full flight!

VivalaVida
08-09-2009, 11:48 AM
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1519/36077675775bj8.jpg

here is the one I was thinking about, although now I am remembering another even better one. Aust. 2005 I think.
ooooo that is a pretty sweet pic.Thanks for posting

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-09-2009, 11:48 AM
Not bad. But this tops it. Rafa with his son.
http://morristsai.com/assets_c/2008/09/b_0901_040_babynadal-thumb-300x428.jpg
Lol, damn! They really look alike! What tourney was that?? Great find

DarthMaul
08-09-2009, 11:49 AM
And here is mine.;)

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp133/bn4769/rafa.jpg

The guy in the pic looks like a backgammon champion!

フェデラー
08-09-2009, 11:50 AM
RAFA WHY SO SRS?

http://www.hollow-hill.com/sabina/images/why-so-serious-cat.jpg

VivalaVida
08-09-2009, 11:50 AM
Lol, damn! They really look alike! What tourney was that?? Great find
:lol: It is from the us open.

フェデラー
08-09-2009, 11:53 AM
guess that proves the pre marital sex thing.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-09-2009, 12:03 PM
:lol: It is from the us open.
Well of course it was, even says so on the umbrella,ella,ella,,eh oh oh:)

bolo
08-10-2009, 05:33 PM
http://bsn-blog.blogspot.com/2009/08/nadal-takes-return-with-patience-number.html

Some new quotes.

bolo
08-10-2009, 05:34 PM
Not bad. But this tops it. Rafa with his son.
http://morristsai.com/assets_c/2008/09/b_0901_040_babynadal-thumb-300x428.jpg

lol. great find. He even has one nadal's patented facial expressions.

Blinkism
08-10-2009, 05:36 PM
Nadal's playing doubles with Fransisco Roig in Montreal. He faces Djokovic/Vemic in the first round.

Does anyone else think that's a stupid idea, or is he trying to get competitive matches under his belt?

I guess it wasn't that stupid of an idea.

Looking forward to wednesday :)

bolo
08-10-2009, 05:39 PM
You have to believe that he will be eliminated quickly in singles and so doubles will give him some more practice with only marginal effort. It's a smart move at this stage.

rafan
08-10-2009, 10:59 PM
And here is mine.;)

http://i405.photobucket.com/albums/pp133/bn4769/rafa.jpg

I have a feeling ( and i'm not 100 per cent sure) this is Rafa signaling to Tony that all is not well with his legs.