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gully
08-07-2009, 06:09 AM
I recently saw this designation for a default in a junior event: refsl. Does anyone know what that means? Something to do with a referee?

I know inj (injury), emerg (emergency) and ns (no-show). I have seen admin, but I am not certain exactly what that means, either.

a-naik.1
08-07-2009, 07:32 AM
refusal to play

TennisTaxi
08-07-2009, 07:40 AM
I believe it is "refusal" to play after you sign up to play a tournament and withdraw with out a "real" excuse....just don't want to play

My son just withdrew from a tournament with a knee injury and the director asked for a note from the doctor so he would not be penalized by the USTA...this first time he had been asked for a note and told this since he had been playing....over 8 years now He was "really" injured and had seen a doctor so we were able to have a note faxed faxed over. Other kids in the tournament who withdrew had "refsl" next to their name...guess they really were not injured and had other excuses than medical.

I have seen this more in consolation matches where kids don't think it is worth playing.

gully
08-07-2009, 10:14 AM
Hmmm. It was in a doubles draw, near the end of a long event, so that makes sense. I have been hearing a few instances of parents being asked for doctors' notes after withdrawals. Does not providing one lead to suspension points?

Also, can anyone shed any light on the "admin" withdrawal? Does that simply mean that the excuse is viable, but non-injury related?

TennisTaxi
08-07-2009, 11:10 AM
Hmmm. It was in a doubles draw, near the end of a long event, so that makes sense. I have been hearing a few instances of parents being asked for doctors' notes after withdrawals. Does not providing one lead to suspension points?

Also, can anyone shed any light on the "admin" withdrawal? Does that simply mean that the excuse is viable, but non-injury related?

USTA does not take kindly to entering tourneys and then pulling out...especially after the draws have been made. I know kids will look at draws and if they don't like it, they will bail. Also, because you get so few points for backdraws in Nationals, players tend to pull out of the consolation draw. Maybe the USTA is getting stricter on this matter...anyone know?

Admin usually means an "error' by the tournament director and the player should have not been in the draw in the first place...like if a player withdrew and the director forgot to take the player out of the draw.

LeftyServe
08-07-2009, 12:33 PM
"Admin" can also cover a situation where an ineligible player enters the tournament and the tournament director does not discover that the player is ineligible until after the draw is released.

scraps234
08-07-2009, 05:23 PM
what does it say when a ref defaults the player because of bad calls or getting in a fight with a ref? also is there like a list of all of these and their meaning....

ClarkC
08-08-2009, 08:18 AM
what does it say when a ref defaults the player because of bad calls or getting in a fight with a ref? also is there like a list of all of these and their meaning....

I believe that admin is used for these defaults as well. I know of one conduct-related default that I just checked out, and it says def(ad) on the draw sheet.

norcal22
08-11-2009, 12:48 AM
dont forget pe (player error)

scraps234
08-11-2009, 07:33 AM
what would be an example of that? like they forget to check the draw times and sites?

LeftyServe
08-11-2009, 05:20 PM
I believe that admin is used for these defaults as well. I know of one conduct-related default that I just checked out, and it says def(ad) on the draw sheet.

def (ad) means default because of an "adult decision." That most often occurs when a parent (not an official) pulls their kid for conduct reasons, though it could mean pulling the kid for other reasons as well (illness, injury, where the kid just doesn't want to come off the court).

scraps234
08-11-2009, 05:52 PM
yeah ive seen that happen....^^^ i feel bad to because one of the kids was playing well but his dad got mad because he was just hitting topspin and not any flat winners...

r2473
09-22-2009, 11:43 AM
dont forget pe (player error)

Someone got defaulted for (pe) player error in a local tournament. What does this (usually) mean?

SoCal10s
09-22-2009, 11:59 AM
just recently I ran into a result from a open men's tournament ,it said 5-4 Def (cond) .. I guess the tournament director defaulted the guy for conduct..

woodrow1029
09-22-2009, 12:05 PM
what does it say when a ref defaults the player because of bad calls or getting in a fight with a ref? also is there like a list of all of these and their meaning....
Def. for conduct (cond.). This is NOT for admin. Admin means error by the referee or tournament director.

woodrow1029
09-22-2009, 12:06 PM
Someone got defaulted for (pe) player error in a local tournament. What does this (usually) mean?
PE could mean that they signed up for the wrong division or tournament.

brad1730
07-24-2011, 06:57 AM
This recently happened in our club's tournament. A player received a def(pe) because he signed up for another tournament in town, and couldn't make the match at our club, and didn't reschedule with his opponent.