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Terr
08-10-2009, 09:37 AM
Anyone know the details? I feel like she's either really botching it or staying low key. The latter doesn't seem very logical.

Someone help me out, please.

Lionheart392
08-10-2009, 09:39 AM
Anyone know the details? I feel like she's either really botching it or staying low key. The latter doesn't seem very logical.

Someone help me out, please.

Well she hasn't actually begun her comeback yet. Her first match is this week against Bartoli in Cincinnati.

Topaz
08-10-2009, 09:40 AM
It hasn't started yet...she's playing this week in Cincinnati.

Topaz
08-10-2009, 09:40 AM
Well she hasn't actually begun her comeback yet. Her first match is this week against Bartoli in Montreal.

Cincinnati...but yes, she starts against Bartoli. Not very lucky, but I'm sure she'll be ready.

Lionheart392
08-10-2009, 09:41 AM
Cincinnati...but yes, she starts against Bartoli. Not very lucky, but I'm sure she'll be ready.

Yeah thanks, just corrected it :)

Topaz
08-10-2009, 09:44 AM
^^^I was actually checking out the tournament online last night...and giving thought to driving out there to see her! :) She's always been a favorite (see my avatar) and I'm so glad she's coming back!

Lionheart392
08-10-2009, 10:19 AM
^^^I was actually checking out the tournament online last night...and giving thought to driving out there to see her! :) She's always been a favorite (see my avatar) and I'm so glad she's coming back!

Yep I was at the Wimbledon exo in May and watched her play, it was great to see her.

Terr
08-10-2009, 11:04 AM
Oooh! I'm really excited. She's one of my all time favourites. I actually started becoming interested in WTA because of her.

DarthMaul
08-10-2009, 11:06 AM
WOW that's great news. Women's Tennis is so boring nowadays without players like Kim, Justine....

shell
08-10-2009, 11:20 AM
I believe she plays tonight in the night match vs. Bartoli.

Mick
08-10-2009, 11:20 AM
cljisters has to face bartoli in her comeback match? :shock: that's a pretty tall order.

ubermeyer
08-10-2009, 12:28 PM
Why did she retire at the age of 24?

sureshs
08-10-2009, 12:29 PM
Why did she retire at the age of 24?

To get married and start a family, plus she has made good money already

Mick
08-10-2009, 12:30 PM
To get married and start a family, plus she has made good money already

i remember it also was because she was tired of getting one injury after another.

sureshs
08-10-2009, 12:31 PM
i remember it also was because she was tired of getting one injury after another.

That is correct. All that sliding is not good.

JennyS
08-10-2009, 08:22 PM
Clijsters beat Bartoli in straight sets!

Terr
08-11-2009, 02:34 AM
Clijsters beat Bartoli in straight sets!

I heart Kim.

Wolland
08-11-2009, 03:12 AM
Kim is gonna be all over these so-called professional tennis players. I just cannot understand what happened to WTA. Women's circut used to be much more interesting than men's, but look at it now. No true leader, no-one has the authority, no-one is able to gain respect from colleagues. Frankly, I think they're overpaid. Just take a look at Ivanovic. She earned so much money from sponsors just because she is pretty, and now she is not hungry for victories and doesn't practise as hard as she used to. She's got loads of money, so why work hard every day.

dropshot winner
08-11-2009, 03:14 AM
Kim is gonna be all over these so-called professional tennis players. I just cannot understand what happened to WTA. Women's circut used to be much more interesting than men's, but look at it now. No true leader, no-one has the authority, no-one is able to gain respect from colleagues. Frankly, I think they're overpaid. Just take a look at Ivanovic. She earned so much money from sponsors just because she is pretty, and now she is not hungry for victories and doesn't practise as hard as she used to. She's got loads of money, so why work hard every day.
I must have missed that.

Wolland
08-11-2009, 03:25 AM
Well it was. Just a couple of years ago Henin, Clijsters, Williams sisters, Davenport, Maursmo, Myskina, Capriati etc were playing some really interesting, close matches. And things seemed to be going the right way, but then something happened and today you have this ridiculous circut. But WTA was more interesting, at least for me, 4 or 5 years ago. For example, in 2004\2005 Federer was winning almost every tournament with Roddick being world number 2 and Ljubicic number 3. Of course, then Nadal came into spotlight and things hooked up and became much more interesting. You cannot deny that it was much, much harder to predict women's grand slam winner than men's.

Topaz
08-11-2009, 05:39 AM
Well it was. Just a couple of years ago Henin, Clijsters, Williams sisters, Davenport, Maursmo, Myskina, Capriati etc were playing some really interesting, close matches. And things seemed to be going the right way, but then something happened and today you have this ridiculous circut. But WTA was more interesting, at least for me, 4 or 5 years ago. For example, in 2004\2005 Federer was winning almost every tournament with Roddick being world number 2 and Ljubicic number 3. Of course, then Nadal came into spotlight and things hooked up and became much more interesting. You cannot deny that it was much, much harder to predict women's grand slam winner than men's.

IMO, it still is.

Ebb and flow. You can't expect either tour to always be exciting. People complain if there isn't a dominant #1, and then people complain if there is a dominant #1 because they win everything.

D*mned if you do, d*mned if you don't.

As much as I love Clijsters and I'm thrilled she beat Bartoli, I don't think that automatically signals that she would beat a Williams sister or Kuznetsova or even some of the young up and comers. Bartoli is and always has been a bit of an anomaly on the women's tour. Let's see how Kimmie does in the rest of the tournament, shall we?

And, yes, Ivanovic got paid lots 'cause she is pretty...just like Sharapova and Kournikova. I'm thinking it is their male fan base that their sponsors are trying to appeal to...right?

anointedone
08-11-2009, 05:56 AM
IMO, it still is.

Yes which is why a far below her former best and obviously out of shape Serena has won 3 of the last 4 slams (and could have easily won all 4). So unpredictable and exciting, much harder to predict what will happen, LOL! I hope Clijsters pulls a surprise and wins the U.S Open again after such a long layoff to make a further mockery of the current WTA freak show.

anointedone
08-11-2009, 05:58 AM
Well it was. Just a couple of years ago Henin, Clijsters, Williams sisters, Davenport, Maursmo, Myskina, Capriati etc were playing some really interesting, close matches. And things seemed to be going the right way, but then something happened and today you have this ridiculous circut. But WTA was more interesting, at least for me, 4 or 5 years ago. For example, in 2004\2005 Federer was winning almost every tournament with Roddick being world number 2 and Ljubicic number 3. Of course, then Nadal came into spotlight and things hooked up and became much more interesting. You cannot deny that it was much, much harder to predict women's grand slam winner than men's.

Excellent post. Agree with everything you said.

tintin
08-11-2009, 06:06 AM
Well it was. Just a couple of years ago Henin, Clijsters, Williams sisters, Davenport, Maursmo, Myskina, Capriati etc were playing some really interesting, close matches. And things seemed to be going the right way, but then something happened and today you have this ridiculous circut. But WTA was more interesting, at least for me, 4 or 5 years ago. For example, in 2004\2005 Federer was winning almost every tournament with Roddick being world number 2 and Ljubicic number 3. Of course, then Nadal came into spotlight and things hooked up and became much more interesting. You cannot deny that it was much, much harder to predict women's grand slam winner than men's.


2006 was the last great tennis year if you ask me.
even if the 006 Aussie ended badly but you had the likes of Davenport,Henin.Mauresmo;Clijsters;Sharapova and Hingis going deap
RG ended the way anyone would expect it to end with Henin in the draw
Wimbledon was great with Sharapova-Mauresmo doing battle
Henin-Clijsters going at it
you had Myskina,Hingis
the YEC was fantastic

now tennis is left with Venus and Serena,Kuznetsova,Dementieva and the rest of the junk playershttp://emoticons4u.com/mad/1329.gif

Topaz
08-11-2009, 06:11 AM
Yes which is why a far below her former best and obviously out of shape Serena has won 3 of the last 4 slams (and could have easily won all 4). So unpredictable and exciting, much harder to predict what will happen, LOL! I hope Clijsters pulls a surprise and wins the U.S Open again after such a long layoff to make a further mockery of the current WTA freak show.

Well, I watch the entire tour, not just the slams. Serena went out early just two weeks ago. Venus lost in the final. And this week it was another tournament where is was exciting to watch...with upsets and no clear favorite to win the tournament. Serena, as talented as she is, is never a lock, IMO, even in the slams.

And she is talented, though people around here desperately try their best to ignore that fact and her incredible accomplishments.

Why do people think that Clijsters, who was known for choking, is suddenly going to beat everyone? I think she will do well (I hope she does, I'm a fan!), but even in her prime, she choked, and she choked a lot.

To suggest that anyone who wins enough matches to win a Grand Slam is a mockery suggest more that you have either little knowledge of tennis and/or little respect for women.

anointedone
08-11-2009, 06:33 AM
Well, I watch the entire tour, not just the slams. Serena went out early just two weeks ago. Venus lost in the final. And this week it was another tournament where is was exciting to watch...with upsets and no clear favorite to win the tournament. Serena, as talented as she is, is never a lock, IMO, even in the slams.

The slams are always what will define the sport, otherwise Safina would be a deserved #1 now. Outside of the French, in the slams Serena is a lock these days period. Only one left who can even challenge her is Venus, and that was pretty much put to bed at the last two slams. The other women are gauranteed to choke or even completely collapse in the very unlikely event they even get into a winning position vs Serena in a slam (eg- Kuznetsova's meltdown vs Serena when she should have closed her out at the Aussie Open this year, Dementieva losing after having a match point at Wimbledon). There is absolutely nothing unpredictable about the current womens game, other than a new bogus slamless #1 and Serena winning any event she gives half a damn about which isnt on clay.

And she is talented, though people around here desperately try their best to ignore that fact and her incredible accomplishments.

Nobody is saying Serena isnt a great player and incredibly talented. However only someone living under a rock or who only got into tennis a couple years ago wouldnt see the massive difference in her level of play and commitement level compared to 1999-2003. For her to all of a sudden by this dominant in the slams again without rising back up to anywhere approaching her old self, aided of course by the retirements/virtual dissapearances of a bunch of other women like Henin, Sharapova, Clijsters, Mauresmo also speaks to the state of the current womes game, and the aid she gets from the choking of her mentally feeble opponents.

Why do people think that Clijsters, who was known for choking, is suddenly going to beat everyone? I think she will do well (I hope she does, I'm a fan!), but even in her prime, she choked, and she choked a lot.

I did not say I neccessarily thought Clijsters would beat everyone. I said her winning the U.S Open would be interesting if it did happen as it would shed even more light on the current womens game. For the record while I wouldnt neccessarily predict that, it wouldnt stun me either. Kim's previous prime was in a very difficult time period for the womens game, infinitely tougher than the current one. She often lost in slam semis and finals to Henin, Venus, Serena, and Capriati, some of those tight matches where yes she did "choke" away a few of them. She was considered an underachiever by almost all to win only 1 slam, even with the tough field she faced and her early retirement. Now with a much weakened field, including even a much lesser Serena than the one she used to face (despite her mostly default current dominance of the slams) even something approaching her old level, complete with even her old choking, would give her a much better shot of winning multiple slams today.

To suggest that anyone who wins enough matches to win a Grand Slam is a mockery suggest more that you have either little knowledge of tennis and/or little respect for women.

I certainly did not say Clijsters was a mockery. I said her winning the U.S Open after such a long layoff, if it happened, would make further mockery of the current womens tour which is already a laughing stock to most everyone, and that much is true.

I do not disrespect women. I disrespect the current womens field since it is plain BAD. That is just the way it is. The womens field wasnt always bad, but the current womens game is the worst it has ever been. Even former champions of the womens game are commenting on that with increasing frequency. I seem to recall the foremost womens libber Billie Jean King saying she was dissapointed in the state of the current womens field during Wimbleon this year.

dropshot winner
08-11-2009, 06:43 AM
Well it was. Just a couple of years ago Henin, Clijsters, Williams sisters, Davenport, Maursmo, Myskina, Capriati etc were playing some really interesting, close matches. And things seemed to be going the right way, but then something happened and today you have this ridiculous circut. But WTA was more interesting, at least for me, 4 or 5 years ago. For example, in 2004\2005 Federer was winning almost every tournament with Roddick being world number 2 and Ljubicic number 3. Of course, then Nadal came into spotlight and things hooked up and became much more interesting. You cannot deny that it was much, much harder to predict women's grand slam winner than men's.

The WTA was obviously stronger back then, but better than the ATP?

Myskina is a one-slam wonder that disappeared into nowhere, a bit like Ivanovic. Clijsters' game is not unlike that of a well playing Jankovic.

What made it worth watching were players like Mauresmo and Henin, they played smart tennis with variety. Something most other players, past or present, didn't do, including the Williams sisters.

I read somewhere that not a single slice was played in the 09 Wimbledon final between Serena and Venus, that says it all, if you ask me.

anointedone
08-11-2009, 06:48 AM
Clijsters' game is not unlike that of a well playing Jankovic.

That is completely ridiculous. If we are talking about both at their best Clijsters has extremely solid and quite powerful groundies off both wings. Jankovic's forehand cant even be compared to Kim's, and even Kim's backhand (her lesser side and Jelena's best shot) is probably better. Kim has the much better serve, merely a solid serve that isnt a big weapon but still easily better than Jelena's. Kim is clearly quicker and better defensively, despite this being perhaps Jelena's biggest asset. Kim can volley competently which already puts her over Jelena there. So really where are they similar, Kim is much more powerful, more consistent, even a better backboard, a smarter player. Mentally both are cookoo during their matches, probably where they are closest to each other. Then again I dont remember Kim losing 10 games in row in a slam semi since a chair umpire used a harsh tone with her so actually Kim probably wins even here.

boredone3456
08-11-2009, 06:49 AM
The WTA was obviously stronger back then, but better than the ATP?

Myskina is a one-slam wonder that disappeared into nowhere, a bit like Ivanovic. Clijsters' game is not unlike that of a well playing Jankovic.

What made it worth watching were players like Mauresmo and Henin, they played smart tennis with variety. Something most other players, past or present, didn't do, including the Williams sisters.

I read somewhere that not a single slice was played in the 09 Wimbledon final between Serena and Venus, that says it all, if you ask me.

I think what the poster ment that is was not as predictable as the ATP. in the ATP the quality was greater, but at the slams it really was usually all Federer everywhere but at the French. The women were all a little closer at the very top in terms of ability, where Fed during his prime just dwarfed everyone not named Nadal.

In general, I agree about Myskina...her french was almost a joke...especially since in her career she lost 5 times there in the 1st round. But how can you even compare Clijsters to Jankovic, Clijsters in her prime is way better than Jankovic, both had the top spot, but Clijsters won a slam, something it is looking less likely Jankovic will do, and clijsters won one during a much strong time on the tour. Not to mention all of Clijsters other slam finals and near misses, so to say she is no different from Jankovic is an insult to Clijsters.

rolandg
08-11-2009, 06:53 AM
Yes which is why a far below her former best and obviously out of shape Serena has won 3 of the last 4 slams (and could have easily won all 4). So unpredictable and exciting, much harder to predict what will happen, LOL! I hope Clijsters pulls a surprise and wins the U.S Open again after such a long layoff to make a further mockery of the current WTA freak show.

Seles pretty much did that, so all Clijsters winning would prove is that women's tennis is a ***** now as it has always been.

dropshot winner
08-11-2009, 06:55 AM
I think what the poster ment that is was not as predictable as the ATP. in the ATP the quality was greater, but at the slams it really was usually all Federer everywhere but at the French. The women were all a little closer at the very top in terms of ability, where Fed during his prime just dwarfed everyone not named Nadal.

In general, I agree about Myskina...her french was almost a joke...especially since in her career she lost 5 times there in the 1st round. But how can you even compare Clijsters to Jankovic, Clijsters in her prime is way better than Jankovic, both had the top spot, but Clijsters won a slam, something it is looking less likely Jankovic will do, and clijsters won one during a much strong time on the tour. Not to mention all of Clijsters other slam finals and near misses, so to say she is no different from Jankovic is an insult to Clijsters.

I didn't say they were no different. I said that Clijsters normal game isn't that different to what Jankovic does at the height or her game.
I do respect Clijsters way more than Jankovic, but here game is still not appealing to me.

anointedone
08-11-2009, 06:56 AM
One thing I forgot to mention is Kim was extremely unlucky to be injured and miss from the 2004 French-2005 Australian Open. From 2001-2004 Australian Open, and in 2005-2006 she was losing out in slams to Henin, Venus, Serena, Davenport, Capriati at their peaks. However the 4 slams in that one year interim were won by Myskina (Kim owns her), Sharapova (Kim owned her until late 2006), Kuznetsova (Kim completely owned her), and a vurnerable Serena. Kim probably would have won 2 or 3 of those slams and been sitting on 3 or 4 total as we speak, and people would be thinking and talking about her in a totally different light, someone who retired at 23 and still managed 3 or 4 slams despite some other near misses, rather than just the 1 slam wonder she is known for today. It is really an injustice someone like Kuznetsova has more slams than her.

flying24
08-11-2009, 07:01 AM
Seles pretty much did that, so all Clijsters winning would prove is that women's tennis is a ***** now as it has always been.

Seles did not win the U.S Open in her comeback. In fact after missing 2.5 years off she was only able to win 1 more slam in her almost 8 year comeback, and it was a slam where she had a joke draw (Majoli, Rubin, and Huber in the last 3 rounds) and nearly all the big guns missing or not on the scene yet (Graf missing, Seles's 96 nemisis Novotna missing, Hingis and Davenport half a year away, Venus on the horizon). She also can thank Rubin for choking away their semifinal she had in the bag.

Furthmore Seles is a legend of tennis who probably would have become the greatest ever had she not been stabbed. With all due respect to Clijsters her coming back to win after a long layoff would be a much different thing to a hypothetical of if Seles were to have done so.

Hirotto
08-11-2009, 07:20 AM
She's been practicing at a club in new jersey to warm up and has been said to definitely preparing for the uso.

cknobman
08-11-2009, 07:37 AM
I only hope the best for Kim and look forward to her moving into the top 25 by eoy.

Terr
08-11-2009, 08:05 AM
I really really hope Clijsters doensn't still have that same old habit of choking at crucial moments. :(

And Kournikova is the single most overrated athlete of all time.

JennyS
08-11-2009, 08:07 AM
Wouldn't it be funny if Kim WON the US Open? Is it possible?

rolandg
08-11-2009, 08:18 AM
Seles did not win the U.S Open in her comeback. In fact after missing 2.5 years off she was only able to win 1 more slam in her almost 8 year comeback, and it was a slam where she had a joke draw (Majoli, Rubin, and Huber in the last 3 rounds) and nearly all the big guns missing or not on the scene yet (Graf missing, Seles's 96 nemisis Novotna missing, Hingis and Davenport half a year away, Venus on the horizon). She also can thank Rubin for choking away their semifinal she had in the bag.

Furthmore Seles is a legend of tennis who probably would have become the greatest ever had she not been stabbed. With all due respect to Clijsters her coming back to win after a long layoff would be a much different thing to a hypothetical of if Seles were to have done so.

I know what she did. It was embarrassing. She was a lump and she beat pretty much everyone, save Graf, who was very lucky that she was such a lump. Women's tennis is awful now, but it was awful back then too. People need to take off the rose tinted glasses. It has always been a joke.

nadalfan4life
08-11-2009, 08:23 AM
I live in St. Louis and went to see her play for the Aces. She was a little shaky at times, but for the most part she played really well.

zagor
08-11-2009, 08:28 AM
Welcome back Kim,was always entertaining to watch,great athlete(better than any WTA player today IMO).Hope she wins USO this year.She was awesome against Bartoli,especially given how long she was gone.

flying24
08-11-2009, 08:29 AM
I know what she did. It was embarrassing. She was a lump and she beat pretty much everyone, save Graf, who was very lucky that she was such a lump. Women's tennis is awful now, but it was awful back then too. People need to take off the rose tinted glasses. It has always been a joke.

Seles in the first half of her comeback in the 90s from late 95-99 had losing head to heads with all of Graf, Novotna, Hingis, Venus, Serena, Davenport, Spirlea, Pierce and won only 1 slam so how is that beating pretty much everyone. She was a 2nd tier player by then, not some nearly dominating player even with the lump you seem to think she was.

Terr
08-11-2009, 08:32 AM
I know what she did. It was embarrassing. She was a lump and she beat pretty much everyone, save Graf, who was very lucky that she was such a lump. Women's tennis is awful now, but it was awful back then too. People need to take off the rose tinted glasses. It has always been a joke.

I don't see how anyone can justify that, quite frankly, misogynistic statement. But I think you should at least try.

zagor
08-11-2009, 08:33 AM
That is completely ridiculous. If we are talking about both at their best Clijsters has extremely solid and quite powerful groundies off both wings. Jankovic's forehand cant even be compared to Kim's, and even Kim's backhand (her lesser side and Jelena's best shot) is probably better. Kim has the much better serve, merely a solid serve that isnt a big weapon but still easily better than Jelena's. Kim is clearly quicker and better defensively, despite this being perhaps Jelena's biggest asset. Kim can volley competently which already puts her over Jelena there. So really where are they similar, Kim is much more powerful, more consistent, even a better backboard, a smarter player. Mentally both are cookoo during their matches, probably where they are closest to each other. Then again I dont remember Kim losing 10 games in row in a slam semi since a chair umpire used a harsh tone with her so actually Kim probably wins even here.

I think JJ has great defense but you're right that's the only department where she can be compared to Clijsters somewhat.Kim hits much more powerful and deep and her serve at the very least isn't a weakness(like it is for Jelena).

They're similar only in the fact that they're both have great defense and that they both slide on HC on top of clay which is somewhat dangerous.

rolandg
08-11-2009, 08:36 AM
Seles in the first half of her comeback in the 90s from late 95-99 had losing head to heads with all of Graf, Novotna, Hingis, Venus, Serena, Davenport, Spirlea, Pierce and won only 1 slam so how is that beating pretty much everyone. She was a 2nd tier player by then, not some nearly dominating player even with the lump you seem to think she was.

This thread is about Clijsters' comeback, so I am obviously referring to Seles' comeback in 1995/ 96. God knows why you are taking about 98 or 99.

People are saying Clijsters winning the 95 US Open would show how awful women's tennis is now, and I am saying this has happened before, and women's tennis has always been awful.

zagor
08-11-2009, 08:37 AM
I know what she did. It was embarrassing. She was a lump and she beat pretty much everyone, save Graf, who was very lucky that she was such a lump. Women's tennis is awful now, but it was awful back then too. People need to take off the rose tinted glasses. It has always been a joke.

Disagree,it had better periods.I liked both Seles and Graf,Seles because of the amazing angles he got with her groundies and her tenacity(she was a female Nadal on big points)and because of patriotic reasons,Graf because of her footwork and amazing FH.Although I liked Justine more than both,I enjoyed her game almost as much as I do Fed's game on men's side,beautiful BH,all-court skills,footwork and defense,she could do it all(I actually think her biggest weakness apart from low % of first serves was mental strength).

NamRanger
08-11-2009, 08:38 AM
I think JJ has great defense but you're right that's the only department where she can be compared to Clijsters somewhat.Kim hits much more powerful and deep and her serve at the very least isn't a weakness(like it is for Jelena).

They're similar only in the fact that they're both have great defense and that they both slide on HC on top of clay which is somewhat dangerous.



You forgot that Clijsters has a forehand of pure destruction.

zagor
08-11-2009, 08:42 AM
You forgot that Clijsters has a forehand of pure destruction.

Definitely,a big FH while JJ's FH is pretty weak,JJ's BH is very good,maybe even better than Kim's but FHs aren't really comparable,not even in the same league.I'm pretty excited she's back,hope she wins a few slams over the next few years,Henin is gone so it will be easier for her.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 08:54 AM
Clijsters retired from the WTA-tour (had enough money) popped out a kid (got bored at changing dipers) and decided to start playing again to improve her legacy, practices for 4-5 months and then beats a top 10 player...this to me is why i am no fan or will ever be a fan of the WTA-tour

Lionheart392
08-11-2009, 08:55 AM
Clijsters retired from the WTA-tour (had enough money) popped out a kid (got bored at changing dipers) and decided to start playing again to improve her legacy, practices for 4-5 months and then beats a top 10 player...this to me is why i am no fan or will ever be a fan of the WTA-tour

Kim is no hack though :)

hewittboy
08-11-2009, 01:56 PM
Disagree,it had better periods.I liked both Seles and Graf,Seles because of the amazing angles he got with her groundies and her tenacity(she was a female Nadal on big points)and because of patriotic reasons,Graf because of her footwork and amazing FH.Although I liked Justine more than both,I enjoyed her game almost as much as I do Fed's game on men's side,beautiful BH,all-court skills,footwork and defense,she could do it all(I actually think her biggest weakness apart from low % of first serves was mental strength).

Yeah there was Graf and Seles but who else was there during that era. Navratilova was in her mid 30s and on her last legs almost literally (notice all the knee bandages and other things she was wearing while playing by then). Sabatini was a huge underachiever, a 1 slam wonder, either a waste of talent, huge choker, or someone way overrated in the first place (probably a combination of all 3). Could school Graf and Seles in non slam tournaments, could never beat them when it really mattered, even up a break in the 3rd set. The way she blew the 91 Wimbledon final to Graf was pathetic, that open court volley she poked right to Graf's sideline, ROTFL!! Sanchez Vicario was a great player with her 4 slams I guess, but she might have won her 1 early slam without the Seles stabbing. She was very spirited, overachieving, hard worker, great fighter, unbelievable defensive player, fun to watch, but she wasnt a top talent. She needed to rely on her huge heart and scrambling ability to even hang with the far more skilled Graf or Seles. Who else am I forgetting. There was Pierce, the female version of Safin, could show up and blow everyone off the court in a tournament but only showed up once every few years. There was Novotna, another mentally fragile underachieving 1 slam wonder. Then there was Capriati, one of the most overhyped players in slam history who despite lucking out to win 3 slams in 2001-2002 which really ought to have been only 1, was never a real rival to Graf or Seles, and was too young to really be in her prime yet then anyway. Then there is Conchita Martinez, what a joke, a sulky moonballer with no serve, no net game, playing 20 feet behind the baseline, didnt have the desire or heart or fitness to chase down every ball like Sanchez which you need when playing that style. How the heck was she even in the top 3 so long, what an embarassment.

Womens tennis has ALWAYS sucked. There are the big 1, 2, sometimes 3 and a bunch of clowns behind them. It has always been that way. The deepest womens field ever was really 1998-2005 in fact.

Wolland
08-11-2009, 11:24 PM
Hewittboy, you're being a bit too harsh. Women do deserve credit, especially the likes of Graf, Seles, Navratilova, Evert etc.

Terr
08-11-2009, 11:29 PM
Let's stay on track here, everyone. The WTA bashing isn't necessary. And if you feel that it is, you should start a thread about somewhere else.

janipyt05
08-12-2009, 01:41 AM
Well, I watch the entire tour, not just the slams. Serena went out early just two weeks ago. Venus lost in the final. And this week it was another tournament where is was exciting to watch...with upsets and no clear favorite to win the tournament. Serena, as talented as she is, is never a lock, IMO, even in the slams.

And she is talented, though people around here desperately try their best to ignore that fact and her incredible accomplishments.

Why do people think that Clijsters, who was known for choking, is suddenly going to beat everyone? I think she will do well (I hope she does, I'm a fan!), but even in her prime, she choked, and she choked a lot.

To suggest that anyone who wins enough matches to win a Grand Slam is a mockery suggest more that you have either little knowledge of tennis and/or little respect for women.

I think its feels nice to ahve someone who we know is consisten and we know can take they pyt to task and really ask the question. We have so many young players that just dont cut the mustard, and get to top ten and not stay and not post the result required to really be called a top tenner, being in a top ten was something and being in the top 5 was even bigger but with just consistency being the margin any jane doe can get there and profess to be the best while the best really get nothing

drwood
08-12-2009, 07:34 AM
Then there is Conchita Martinez, what a joke, a sulky moonballer with no serve, no net game, playing 20 feet behind the baseline, didnt have the desire or heart or fitness to chase down every ball like Sanchez which you need when playing that style. How the heck was she even in the top 3 so long, what an embarassment.

Big rant :). Martinez stayed in the top 3 so long b/c she made the SF of all the slams, won Wimbledon and made the Aus Open and French finals. That's how.

drwood
08-12-2009, 07:38 AM
Clijsters retired from the WTA-tour (had enough money) popped out a kid (got bored at changing dipers) and decided to start playing again to improve her legacy, practices for 4-5 months and then beats a top 10 player...this to me is why i am no fan or will ever be a fan of the WTA-tour

I think you're being too harsh...its not unreasonable to think that a recent retiree could beat a top-10 player in a single match (Phillipoussis, Agassi, etc.). The WTA field is weak, but doesn't deserve the hatred its received on these boards IMO.

Terr
08-12-2009, 07:42 AM
I think you're being too harsh...its not unreasonable to think that a recent retiree could beat a top-10 player in a single match (Phillipoussis, Agassi, etc.). The WTA field is weak, but doesn't deserve the hatred its received on these boards IMO.

It is weak. I believe it's weak because the Williams sisters are past their prime. Sharapova's wacko injured still. The rest are lazy/incompetent. I love Ana, but she's greedy and lazy right now. I want to see her excel in this arena, but she's just not doing herself any favours with her laid back attitude. 3-4 years from now, who knows what the lineup will be like. To top it off, there's no competition there's Safina, Williams duo and there's weak players. This may be her best chance. So I'm really glad to have Clijsters back. At least she makes WTA worth watching now.

Also, everyone else who is here to b*tch about the WTA, please divert your hatred/enthusiasm to this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=280750

drwood
08-12-2009, 07:42 AM
It is really an injustice someone like Kuznetsova has more slams than her.

No it isn't. If Clijsters hadn't given up on the sport, she would likely have had at least 2-3 more majors by now. Part of being a great player is playing.

Terr
08-12-2009, 07:43 AM
Part of being a great player is playing.

Wise words.

drwood
08-12-2009, 07:44 AM
It is weak. I believe it's weak because the Williams sisters are past their prime. Sharapova's wacko injured still. The rest are lazy/incompetent. I love Ana, but she's greedy and lazy right now. I want to see her excel in this arena, but she's just not doing herself any favours with her laid back attitude. 3-4 years from now, who knows what the lineup will be like. This may be her best chance. So I'm really glad to have Clijsters back. At least she makes WTA worth watching now.

Also, everyone else who is here to b*tch about the WTA, please divert your hatred/enthusiasm to this thread:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=280750

I'm very glad Clijsters is back...I think she'll have a good shot in the slams. Maybe this will make Henin want to come back, too...

Terr
08-12-2009, 07:48 AM
I'm very glad Clijsters is back...I think she'll have a good shot in the slams. Maybe this will make Henin want to come back, too...

How old is Henin now?

Lionheart392
08-12-2009, 07:49 AM
How old is Henin now?

27.
10 char.

Terr
08-12-2009, 07:53 AM
27.
10 char.

Well that's not so bad! Someone call her up! We need her back. WTA is in its darkest hour!

drwood
08-12-2009, 07:56 AM
Well that's not so bad! Someone call her up! We need her back. WTA is in its darkest hour!

I hope Davenport comes back now that her 2nd child has been born.

Hingis' suspension ends soon, too :)

Terr
08-12-2009, 07:58 AM
I hope Davenport comes back now that her 2nd child has been born.

Hingis' suspension ends soon, too :)

WTF? I thought Hingis retired. I just wiki'd this. Apparently she doesn't plan on coming back.

Cocaine? :shock: That's very sad indeed for a professional athlete of her calibre.

Lionheart392
08-12-2009, 08:00 AM
I hope Davenport comes back now that her 2nd child has been born.

Hingis' suspension ends soon, too :)

Tbh I think Davenport is done. Her comeback after having her 1st child met with some success but she didn't do anything really notable.

drwood
08-12-2009, 08:05 AM
Tbh I think Davenport is done. Her comeback after having her 1st child met with some success but she didn't do anything really notable.

She won her first tourney and then made a final...she was going to play this year's Aus Open until she found out she was pregnant. Given how hard she hits the ball and how weak the field is, she'd have a shot at doing well.

Can you name 10 players right now who are unquestionably better than she is? Other than Serena, Venus, Safina, Dementieva and Kuznetsova, its hard to do.

drwood
08-12-2009, 08:06 AM
WTF? I thought Hingis retired. I just wiki'd this. Apparently she doesn't plan on coming back.

Cocaine? :shock: That's very sad indeed for a professional athlete of her calibre.

It happened to Wilander too at the end of his career. But Hingis doesn't have to retire.

Lionheart392
08-12-2009, 08:11 AM
She won her first tourney and then made a final...she was going to play this year's Aus Open until she found out she was pregnant. Given how hard she hits the ball and how weak the field is, she'd have a shot at doing well.

Can you name 10 players right now who are unquestionably better than she is? Other than Serena, Venus, Safina, Dementieva and Kuznetsova, its hard to do.

If she was still in her prime she could certainly make a lot of noise on the tour, but I think her best days are far beyond her now. As I said she had a couple of nice results during her comeback but nothing spectacular.

drwood
08-12-2009, 08:15 AM
If she was still in her prime she could certainly make a lot of noise on the tour, but I think her best days are far beyond her now. As I said she had a couple of nice results during her comeback but nothing spectacular.

Agree that her best days are far behind her, but even in that condition, there aren't many players consistently better than her. Not saying she'd win Slams, but she's better than many who are in the top-20.

jamesblakefan#1
08-12-2009, 08:16 AM
I hope Margaret Court and Billie Jean King decide to come back! :D

drwood
08-12-2009, 08:18 AM
I hope Margaret Court and Billie Jean King decide to come back! :D

I was actually being serious, not facetious.....

jamesblakefan#1
08-12-2009, 08:22 AM
I was actually being serious, not facetious.....

I'm sorry that was a bad joke on my part...I apologize.

lambielspins
08-12-2009, 09:12 AM
She won her first tourney and then made a final...she was going to play this year's Aus Open until she found out she was pregnant. Given how hard she hits the ball and how weak the field is, she'd have a shot at doing well.

Can you name 10 players right now who are unquestionably better than she is? Other than Serena, Venus, Safina, Dementieva and Kuznetsova, its hard to do.

She was destroyed by Bartoli at the U.S Open. A 33 year old Davenport returning would do nothing for the womens game.

FedFan_2009
08-12-2009, 11:59 AM
She just won again!

oy vey
08-12-2009, 12:36 PM
Kuzzy will beat her next

Wolland
08-12-2009, 12:42 PM
Go Kim! Good to have her back. I'd like to see her play against Safina. Wonder how would Dinara deal with Clijsters.

Mick
08-12-2009, 12:45 PM
Go Kim! Good to have her back. I'd like to see her play against Safina. Wonder how would Dinara deal with Clijsters.

i know who is mentally tougher in that match up :)

grafselesfan
08-12-2009, 12:56 PM
i know who is mentally tougher in that match up :)

Clijsters is just as much a choking dog as Safina unfortunately. She should have won more than 1 slam in her heyday otherwise, particularly the 2nd and 3rd slams Capriati won, and the 03 U.S Open where she choked badly vs a hobbling Henin who needed IVs to just play the match. I still think Kim would win since she has a better tennis game (not that that is saying much compared to Blubina).

Viper
08-12-2009, 01:35 PM
I have NEVER liked her. She always complained, she was never 100% and every single post match interview was

"I don't know how I pulled it out...I was playing at about 40%...I don't know how I did it"

drwood
08-12-2009, 04:30 PM
Clijsters is just as much a choking dog as Safina unfortunately. She should have won more than 1 slam in her heyday otherwise, particularly the 2nd and 3rd slams Capriati won, and the 03 U.S Open where she choked badly vs a hobbling Henin who needed IVs to just play the match. I still think Kim would win since she has a better tennis game (not that that is saying much compared to Blubina).

Yeah, but Clijsters mainly choked in her prime only against Henin -- only other times that come to mind were the 03 Aus Open SF against Serena (match point up) and 01 French final against Capriati.

I'm glad she's back...I think she has a shot at at least 2 more slams.

grafselesfan
08-12-2009, 04:38 PM
Yeah, but Clijsters mainly choked in her prime only against Henin -- only other times that come to mind were the 03 Aus Open SF against Serena (match point up) and 01 French final against Capriati.

I'm glad she's back...I think she has a shot at at least 2 more slams.

I agree her most regular choking was against Henin but certainly not her only choking. Over the years I cant think of:

2001 French Open final vs Capriati
1st set of 2002 Australian Open semis vs Capriati
2003 Australian Open semis vs Serena (up 5-1 in 3rd set)
2003 Wimbledon semis vs Venus (Venus had a major abdominal injury and was bending serves in, Kim lost from a set up and twice a break up in the 2nd)
2003 U.S Open final vs Henin (the whole performance was a choke)
2004 Australian Open final vs Henin- both players choked back and forth from the middle of the 2nd set to the end.
2005 French Open 4th round vs Davenport- she had a big lead and she had beaten Davenport like 6 times in a row on hard courts. She should have never lost this match on clay in the first place.

drwood
08-12-2009, 04:47 PM
I agree her most regular choking was against Henin but certainly not her only choking. Over the years I cant think of:

2001 French Open final vs Capriati
1st set of 2002 Australian Open semis vs Capriati
2003 Australian Open semis vs Serena (up 5-1 in 3rd set)
2003 Wimbledon semis vs Venus (Venus had a major abdominal injury and was bending serves in, Kim lost from a set up and twice a break up in the 2nd)
2003 U.S Open final vs Henin (the whole performance was a choke)
2004 Australian Open final vs Henin- both players choked back and forth from the middle of the 2nd set to the end.
2005 French Open 4th round vs Davenport- she had a big lead and she had beaten Davenport like 6 times in a row on hard courts. She should have never lost this match on clay in the first place.

But no one today plays at the level of any one of those players....I think Clijsters senses that as well....

witt4ace
08-12-2009, 04:52 PM
Hey all, I watched Clijsters play today, and she played great! The only time she really made mistakes was when she was pushed out wide on her forehand. I honestly think that she has a chance to get to the semis, or maybe even win!

Lionheart392
08-12-2009, 05:44 PM
I agree her most regular choking was against Henin but certainly not her only choking. Over the years I cant think of:

2001 French Open final vs Capriati
1st set of 2002 Australian Open semis vs Capriati
2003 Australian Open semis vs Serena (up 5-1 in 3rd set)
2003 Wimbledon semis vs Venus (Venus had a major abdominal injury and was bending serves in, Kim lost from a set up and twice a break up in the 2nd)
2003 U.S Open final vs Henin (the whole performance was a choke)
2004 Australian Open final vs Henin- both players choked back and forth from the middle of the 2nd set to the end.
2005 French Open 4th round vs Davenport- she had a big lead and she had beaten Davenport like 6 times in a row on hard courts. She should have never lost this match on clay in the first place.

That one really was appalling. :cry:
I wonder if she's still a choker. Can a choker reform, or once a choker always a choker?

drwood
08-12-2009, 06:29 PM
That one really was appalling. :cry:
I wonder if she's still a choker. Can a choker reform, or once a choker always a choker?

"Everyone chokes. Champions choke less" -- Billie Jean King

Mick
08-12-2009, 06:54 PM
If she was still in her prime she could certainly make a lot of noise on the tour, but I think her best days are far beyond her now. As I said she had a couple of nice results during her comeback but nothing spectacular.

talking about noise (literally), cljisters is one of the very few wta players who doesn't make any noise when she hits the ball -- i like these players :)

Annika
08-12-2009, 10:48 PM
I only have one question about Kim? Does she still do a split when she's playing? :shock:

Terr
08-12-2009, 11:00 PM
talking about noise (literally), cljisters is one of the very few wta players who doesn't make any noise when she hits the ball -- i like these players :)

:D I find it very classy.

Wolland
08-13-2009, 12:06 AM
I agree her most regular choking was against Henin but certainly not her only choking. Over the years I cant think of:

2001 French Open final vs Capriati
1st set of 2002 Australian Open semis vs Capriati
2003 Australian Open semis vs Serena (up 5-1 in 3rd set)
2003 Wimbledon semis vs Venus (Venus had a major abdominal injury and was bending serves in, Kim lost from a set up and twice a break up in the 2nd)
2003 U.S Open final vs Henin (the whole performance was a choke)
2004 Australian Open final vs Henin- both players choked back and forth from the middle of the 2nd set to the end.
2005 French Open 4th round vs Davenport- she had a big lead and she had beaten Davenport like 6 times in a row on hard courts. She should have never lost this match on clay in the first place.

This wasn't choking. I remember what Kim said after the match. She said that she just complitely lost belief in her shots, and really that was what happened. She couldn't get the ball into the court. And Davenport just capitalised. Kim beat Lindsay loads and loads of times before that match, and it was practically an early stage of the tournament, so I would say that Kim was just having a bad day. Don't think she got nervous back then.

crazylevity
08-13-2009, 07:59 AM
This wasn't choking. I remember what Kim said after the match. She said that she just complitely lost belief in her shots, and really that was what happened. She couldn't get the ball into the court. And Davenport just capitalised. Kim beat Lindsay loads and loads of times before that match, and it was practically an early stage of the tournament, so I would say that Kim was just having a bad day. Don't think she got nervous back then.

Why is this not choking?

tintin
08-13-2009, 08:09 AM
talking about noise (literally), cljisters is one of the very few wta players who doesn't make any noise when she hits the ball -- i like these players :)

add in Mauresmo and Henin in that bunch:)
you barely hear or heard a noise out of these gals when on the court:shock:

scotus
08-13-2009, 04:18 PM
Kuzzy will beat her next

You were wrong.

hyogen
08-13-2009, 04:33 PM
it's crazy that Lleyton Hewitt went from dating Clijsters to marrying Bec Cartwright :o

glad to see her make a comeback. proves the top 10 in wta is laughable.

i really wanna see Henin come back.

FitzRoy
08-13-2009, 04:38 PM
She can serve. She can REALLY move, and she can definitely hit forehands. I'll be surprised if anyone not named Williams beats her on a regular basis.

Serendipitous
08-13-2009, 04:42 PM
That one really was appalling. :cry:
I wonder if she's still a choker. Can a choker reform, or once a choker always a choker?

Dippers.......

hyogen
08-13-2009, 04:52 PM
She can serve. She can REALLY move, and she can definitely hit forehands. I'll be surprised if anyone not named Williams beats her on a regular basis.

so you mean there aren't any WOMEN that can beat her on a regular basis :twisted:

フェデラー
08-13-2009, 05:03 PM
im so happy for her to be back. if henin came back and jankovic retired the wta would be perfect!

Serendipitous
08-13-2009, 05:04 PM
im so happy for her to be back. if henin came back and jankovic retired the wta would be perfect!

Yay! :):):)

mrmo1115
08-13-2009, 05:05 PM
so you mean there aren't any WOMEN that can beat her on a regular basis :twisted:

lulz :):) *10 charc*

drwood
08-13-2009, 06:09 PM
so you mean there aren't any WOMEN that can beat her on a regular basis :twisted:

What's that supposed to mean?

Lionheart392
08-13-2009, 06:14 PM
What's that supposed to mean?

Probably that they look like men. :cry:
I don't really think so although in a pre-final interview at Wimbledon Serena was wearing tonnes of makeup and bouffant hair and she did look rather draggish.

drwood
08-13-2009, 06:32 PM
Probably that they look like men. :cry:
I don't really think so although in a pre-final interview at Wimbledon Serena was wearing tonnes of makeup and bouffant hair and she did look rather draggish.

Thanks; then the original comment was trolling....Venus and Serena are pretty. Just because they're not white doesn't mean they look like men.

Lionheart392
08-13-2009, 06:49 PM
Thanks; then the original comment was trolling....Venus and Serena are pretty. Just because they're not white doesn't mean they look like men.

I can't say I think they're pretty (but not ugly either).... although my dad is always quick to point out Serena's rather large... assets :shock:

Brned
08-13-2009, 06:50 PM
They may not look like men but Serena does have manly biceps.

Bottle Rocket
08-13-2009, 07:44 PM
She can serve. She can REALLY move, and she can definitely hit forehands. I'll be surprised if anyone not named Williams beats her on a regular basis.

I'll be surprised if she doesn't win the US Open.

EtePras
08-13-2009, 08:06 PM
Thanks; then the original comment was trolling....Venus and Serena are pretty. Just because they're not white doesn't mean they look like men.

Any evidence to back up your bold statement?

drwood
08-13-2009, 08:23 PM
Any evidence to back up your bold statement?

You're not being funny or clever.

Gizo
08-14-2009, 05:13 AM
I agree her most regular choking was against Henin but certainly not her only choking. Over the years I cant think of:

2001 French Open final vs Capriati
1st set of 2002 Australian Open semis vs Capriati
2003 Australian Open semis vs Serena (up 5-1 in 3rd set)
2003 Wimbledon semis vs Venus (Venus had a major abdominal injury and was bending serves in, Kim lost from a set up and twice a break up in the 2nd)
2003 U.S Open final vs Henin (the whole performance was a choke)
2004 Australian Open final vs Henin- both players choked back and forth from the middle of the 2nd set to the end.
2005 French Open 4th round vs Davenport- she had a big lead and she had beaten Davenport like 6 times in a row on hard courts. She should have never lost this match on clay in the first place.

All 4 of Clijster's grand slam defeats in 2003 were poor. Her choke against Serena at the AO, pretty much failing to show up against Henin at RG, choking against an injured Venus at Wimbledon, and getting completely outplayed by Henin who had needed an IV drip the previous night at the USO.
Away from the slams that year she was absolutely amazing, winning 9 titles in total across all the surfaces, including the YEC and other big tournaments like Indian Wells, Rome and Filderstadt (she was far more dominant in non-slam events than either Jankovic or Safina were). But at the slams against her 3 main rivals that year, she simply couldn't handle the occasion.
She played 102 singles matches that year. She entered 21 tournaments in total, winning 9 titles, finshing as the runner-up 5 times, and losing in the semi-finals 6 times. She only failed to reach the semi-finals of an event once that year, at Toronto, which was understandable considering it was her 4th consecutive week of tournament play.
That's probably the best ever single season by a woman who hasn't gone on to win a singles slam in that respective year, with Hingis's 2000 season a close second.
It's funny that Clijsters's solitary victory over Henin in a grand slam at the FO in 2001 was aided by one of the biggest chokes of Justine's career.
It's great to see her back and she is the clear favourite to beat Safina today as far as I'm concerned, and many bookmakers where I am agree with me.

THUNDERVOLLEY
08-14-2009, 05:24 AM
You're not being funny or clever.

Quoted for truth.

THUNDERVOLLEY
08-14-2009, 05:31 AM
I'll be surprised if she doesn't win the US Open.

Considering her history of failing to win big matches (see the list on this page), and the drama over the #1 ranking issue,I believe the USO could be a genuine, "bloody" war zone (good!), led by the most slam hungry of players, and those trying to topple a fraudulent #1--even if they do not win the title. In such as environment, Clijsters may be broadsided and left in the dust. I do not think she will be able to avoid the heat of it all to just quietly play her game.

Terr
08-14-2009, 08:38 AM
I can't say I think they're pretty (but not ugly either).... although my dad is always quick to point out Serena's rather large... assets :shock:

What happened to my thread!?!?!??!!

LOL

Mick
08-14-2009, 08:47 AM
safina is probably mighty nervous right now. it's one thing to get beaten by the williams sisters and kuznetsova but if cljisters pulls this off, it would be even worse for her (safina).

Gorecki
08-14-2009, 08:51 AM
delete post

federer envies me
08-14-2009, 09:02 AM
clijsters will win cincy for sure after watching her in person yesterday. She has established herself as a top 5 player already and i can see her winning the open this year the way shes playing

NamRanger
08-14-2009, 09:04 AM
Considering her history of failing to win big matches (see the list on this page), and the drama over the #1 ranking issue,I believe the USO could be a genuine, "bloody" war zone (good!), led by the most slam hungry of players, and those trying to topple a fraudulent #1--even if they do not win the title. In such as environment, Clijsters may be broadsided and left in the dust. I do not think she will be able to avoid the heat of it all to just quietly play her game.



Who's going to swipe her aside? Jankovic? Safina? Ivanovic? Really now. Come on. The only players right now that have the toolset to beat Clijisters are Serena and Venus.

THUNDERVOLLEY
08-14-2009, 09:31 AM
Who's going to swipe her aside? Jankovic? Safina? Ivanovic? Really now. Come on. The only players right now that have the toolset to beat Clijisters are Serena and Venus.

Ivanovic and Jankovic? No, but it is possible for the strategy challenged Dementieva or Safina to go for broke if either should meet Clijsters at the USO; Obviously, Safina will be desperate to prove she's not a fake #1, and make up for all of her infamous slam failures this year, while a Dementieva--also desperately trying to win just one slam (as the door of her career closes) may channel someone else's tennis intelligence into her own small mind--enough to at least make it past Clijsters. The emotional factor will be incredibly high for many players, so where the final slam of the year is concerned, any result is possible for certain players.

drwood
08-14-2009, 09:32 AM
Considering her history of failing to win big matches (see the list on this page), and the drama over the #1 ranking issue,I believe the USO could be a genuine, "bloody" war zone (good!), led by the most slam hungry of players, and those trying to topple a fraudulent #1--even if they do not win the title. In such as environment, Clijsters may be broadsided and left in the dust. I do not think she will be able to avoid the heat of it all to just quietly play her game.

Whether its mens or womens, there are truly only a handful of players capable of winning any given slam. Clijsters automatically joins that list b/c she's won the US Open before -- and she beat Venus before destroying Sharapova and Pierce to do so.

Players who have realistic chance of winning US Open:
Serena, Venus, Clijsters, Safina, Dementieva, Kuznetsova -- that's it.

jamesblakefan#1
08-14-2009, 09:41 AM
delete post...

drwood
08-14-2009, 09:43 AM
I'd add Jankovic to that list, she did make the finals last yr.

Good point, but I wouldn't b/c of how badly she's played in slams this year -- same reason I don't add Djoker to the men's list...both are highly likely upset candidates IMO.

jevonclyde
08-14-2009, 09:44 AM
so far, so good...

THUNDERVOLLEY
08-14-2009, 10:08 AM
I wouldn't b/c of how badly she's played in slams this year -- same reason I don't add Djoker to the men's list...both are highly likely upset candidates IMO.

True; Jankovic seems to be on her way out, as she lacks the mind or spirit to take her game to another level (which requires complete reconditioning).

Edinboro
08-14-2009, 11:09 AM
Whether its mens or womens, there are truly only a handful of players capable of winning any given slam. Clijsters automatically joins that list b/c she's won the US Open before -- and she beat Venus before destroying Sharapova and Pierce to do so.

Players who have realistic chance of winning US Open:
Serena, Venus, Clijsters, Safina, Dementieva, Kuznetsova -- that's it.



Id add Flavia Pennetta to that list. Shes on a 14 match winning streak has won back to back titles, defeated players like Petrova, Venus, Maria, Vera Zvonareva, and Sam Stosur. Today she will be going for her 15th consecutive win and if she does win it she will be ranked in the top 10. Pennetta is on fire......

Wolland
08-14-2009, 11:11 AM
As far as I can remember, Jankovic made Kim work really hard in the last three matches they played, and in the last one Jankovic was up 6-4 5-4, was serving and had a match point at 40-30, but failed to convert. I think that it would be an interesting final, of course if Jelena manages to come through.

THUNDERVOLLEY
08-14-2009, 12:59 PM
Well, Safina took out Clijsters. When the real deal comes around (USO), as I am suspecting, Safina can deliver a repeat performance.

drwood
08-14-2009, 01:02 PM
Id add Flavia Pennetta to that list. Shes on a 14 match winning streak has won back to back titles, defeated players like Petrova, Venus, Maria, Vera Zvonareva, and Sam Stosur. Today she will be going for her 15th consecutive win and if she does win it she will be ranked in the top 10. Pennetta is on fire......

True, but the pressure of winning a Slam is different than a Masters. I don't doubt that Penetta can win and maybe even make a Slam final -- but I don't see her winning the US Open.

Plus, its a lot different when you're a target and people are gunning for you -- Pennetta hasn't had that experience yet.

Wolland
08-14-2009, 01:03 PM
You could just see the lack of big matches for Kim. That's why she didn't take those chances. Anyway, good to have her back. And it was a good job by Safina, I think that this win will have a positive effect on her.

jevonclyde
08-14-2009, 01:29 PM
Kimmy just got a beat down by D_Safi. Couldn't really handle the pace of shot D_Safi + committed way to many UE. Maybe Kimmy just ran out of gas. Anyways, a good start. Very good start. It can only get better. She moved well, saw the ball relatively well. She even did the Kimmy Split.

joeri888
08-14-2009, 01:39 PM
That split is just.. ouch!

Chadwixx
08-14-2009, 01:45 PM
It was really nice to hear a gracious loser, no wonder people like kim so much.

"“My mindset was really good,” she said. “I feel really good after this match. It’s not that I feel tired or drained or anything, just a few little aches and pains from getting back into playing matches.”

Vs

“I never played worse in my life,” Serena said. “It was really a bad match.”

sureshs
08-14-2009, 01:52 PM
She is back to her kissing habits (Yahoo, AP)

http://sports.yahoo.com/ten/photo;_ylt=ArxUxYm31YMFhaB_l6_YB4E4v7YF?slug=eb746 0c675fc4c2da389a82f6a74d93c.cincinnati_tennis_ohtu 111&prov=ap

CCNM
08-14-2009, 03:15 PM
^I believe that is a common greeting in Europe right? Kind of like a handshake in the US?

sureshs
08-14-2009, 03:22 PM
^I believe that is a common greeting in Europe right? Kind of like a handshake in the US?

She does it more than other Europeans