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Wolland
08-11-2009, 02:37 AM
Stosur, Bartoli, Pennetta, Zvonareva etc. were having troubles in reaching second or third rounds of every tournament they played. And these days they are winning big tournaments (La, Stanford and others) or reaching semifinals of grand slam tournaments. Is this because they work harder nowadays, or is this just a consequence of retiremnet of the likes of Henin and Clijsters and poor consistency of today's top players.

jelle v
08-11-2009, 02:51 AM
Stosur, Bartoli, Pennetta, Zvonareva etc. were having troubles in reaching second or third rounds of every tournament they played. And these days they are winning big tournaments (La, Stanford and others) or reaching semifinals of grand slam tournaments. Is this because they work harder nowadays, or is this just a consequence of retiremnet of the likes of Henin and Clijsters and poor consistency of today's top players.

Well...Stosur mainly played doubles if I'm not mistaking and probably never really focused on singles. She is a new force and she is doing quite well imo. Zvonareva had her breakthrough last year (finally). She always had the game, but mentally she was really bad. Although there are flashes, her mental game has improved a lot and I think that is why she is doing better.

Bartoli and Pennetta however.. I don't know why the are doing better than they used to. I find it a joke that someone like Bartoli is able to do so well. If she had a male equivalent, that guy wouldn't even make the ATP tour, he would get blown of the court. The women don't seem to be able to play the game required to beat Bartoli easily.

maximo
08-11-2009, 02:55 AM
Stosur's a great player, excellent kick serve.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 03:09 AM
Stosur's a great player, excellent kick serve.
Yeah, Murray should watch Stosur serve the next time he practices 2nd serves:twisted:

maximo
08-11-2009, 03:10 AM
Yeah, Murray should watch Stosur serve the next time he practices 2nd serves:twisted:

Her second isn't great. She did a lot of DF's in the LA final.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 03:11 AM
Her second isn't great. She did a lot of DF's in the LA final.
Murrays 2nd isnt that great either

maximo
08-11-2009, 03:13 AM
Murrays 2nd isnt that great either

It's kind of annoying you just having a go at Murray when it has nothing to do with him in this thead...

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 03:16 AM
It's kind of annoying you just having a go at Murray when it has nothing to do with him in this thead...
Well, Murray annoyes me, and his fans to.

maximo
08-11-2009, 03:17 AM
Well, Murray annoyes me, and his fans to.

Well, there is no need to troll other threads just to let out your frustration.

This thread has nothing to do with Federer or murray, you have no right to bring that up.

jelle v
08-11-2009, 03:20 AM
Wow.. that was quick.. from a serious and somewhat interesting thread to a totally off topic argument about Murray's second serve..

lawrence
08-11-2009, 03:24 AM
stosur is currently the only wta player i have interest in watching since henins retirement

Wolland
08-11-2009, 03:30 AM
Now I'll have my say about this. I think that the reason why these girls have become reasonably successful lies in the fact that Henin, Clijsters, Davenport etc. retired. When they played against them, they just didn't believe they could win. They had too much respect for them. And today when they play against Williams sisters at their best, they are also coming out onto the court with a white flag.

But why aren't they afraid of Jankovic, Ivanovic, Dementieva, Safina and other top girls. Well, they have beaten them before in early stages of their careers, so when Stosur, Bartoli, Pennetta, Zvonareva etc. are about to play a match against, let's say Jankovic, they think to them selves: Ok, I beat her before, so I can beat her again.

maximo
08-11-2009, 03:35 AM
stosur is currently the only wta player i have interest in watching since henins retirement

Same here.

lawrence
08-11-2009, 03:37 AM
woops double post** damnit

Wolland
08-11-2009, 03:44 AM
When at her best, Jankovic is for me a very exciting player to watch. But when she enters that 'Only get the ball into the court, defend and wait for my opponent to make a mistake' mood, then it becomes a real bore to watch her play.

jevonclyde
08-11-2009, 04:08 AM
Stosur, Bartoli, Pennetta, Zvonareva etc. were having troubles in reaching second or third rounds of every tournament they played. And these days they are winning big tournaments (La, Stanford and others) or reaching semifinals of grand slam tournaments. Is this because they work harder nowadays, or is this just a consequence of retiremnet of the likes of Henin and Clijsters and poor consistency of today's top players.

Personally think hard work, work ethic, strategy and improved fitness (yes, even Ms. Bartoli) is the main reason. The players mentioned rely on tennis witt and strategy instead of just BBT (Big Babe Tennis). But Kimmy C can counter that. Curious to see how she fares. Either way: welcome back!

jelle v
08-11-2009, 04:43 AM
Personally think hard work, work ethic, strategy and improved fitness (yes, even Ms. Bartoli) is the main reason. The players mentioned rely on tennis witt and strategy instead of just BBT (Big Babe Tennis). But Kimmy C can counter that. Curious to see how she fares. Either way: welcome back!

Bartoli does not rely on tennis witt imo.. :-?

tintin
08-11-2009, 04:58 AM
i don't care about Zvonareva and especially not Bartoli but I have to say I love Kim Clijsters and I am happy that she's back and with a bang I might addhttp://emoticons4u.com/happy/1418.gif

2006 was the last great tennis year for me when the likes of Henin,Mauresmo;Sharapova;Davenport,Clijsters,Hingi s were all healthy and playing well at the same time.last great YEC was in 2006.
since then Davenport and Clijsters got pregnant and retired
Mauresmo had her appendix surgery and has never been the same player
Sharapova is now struggling
Henin is gone
Hingis was found guilty of cocaine use and is gone

last good thing we have left is Venus and Serena but have never been a fan of either player.Guess I can tolerate Venus.I like Kuznetsova but she is way inconsistent.

Safina is a headcase
Ivanovic and Jankovic can't seem to remember how to play tennis
Dementieva can't stop choking in the semis
Azarenka and her yelling and screaming and her ballbashing does my head in and i hate her game

I mean the likes of Cirstea and Stosur going deep in a major and 1 of them(Stosur) can't even win a WTA title?http://emoticons4u.com/mad/1435.gif

boredone3456
08-11-2009, 05:10 AM
Stosur has always had the potential, before she became ill she was moving pretty quickly up the singles rankings and was number 29, despite being, in some minds, a "doubles specialist". She has a strong 1st serve and a big forehand, weapons that do well against many on the tour today.

Zvonareva, as has been said, has always had the game and was a top 10 player before injuring her wrist and missing a ton of time on the tour, and she was in the top 10 during a much stronger period than today, so to say she has never had the game to be there, or is only there because the tour is terrible, is not giving her enough credit.

Pennetta is a medium level player, mainly because she has no real weapons. her forehand is probably her most consistant shot, but she doesn't do enough with it, which is why she is stuck around number 15. she hasn't done enough. In the 90's, she would probably be somewhere in the 40's on the rankings, if that. So yes she has been helped by the mediocrity around her.

Bartoli...15 years ago would not even be top 50. She would be crushed by the players of every year in the 90's. The only year she might get closer to top 30 would be 97-98 when Graf was gone, Seles was having all kinds of probs, Vicario was on the downturn, and many of the other big names were out. The fact that she made the top 10 at all demonstrates how poor things are now.

tiebraek
08-11-2009, 07:27 AM
Suarez Navarro is another good player but hasn't done very well yet. It shows you that tennis is not only skills but mental too. Penetta is an underrated player...played extremely smart with Stosur.. Stosur is a good upcoming player but need to find a way to beat her nervousness because she made too many DF in the last final. I'm thrilled with return of Clijsters..and waiting to see Stosur, Navarro for a better presence in women's tennis.

Grass_for_cows
08-11-2009, 07:29 AM
I for one am not surprised that some people in tennis are not as good as some other people in tennis.

Gaudio2004
08-11-2009, 07:41 AM
Zvonareva is a complete headcase, very surprised to see her getting mentally stronger.

NamRanger
08-11-2009, 07:42 AM
Her second isn't great. She did a lot of DF's in the LA final.


Stosur's a great player, excellent kick serve.



Contradict yourself much?

maximo
08-11-2009, 07:44 AM
Contradict yourself much?

Her FIRST serve is great, she is prone to DF's often with her second.

Good luck with your banning, kid.

Grass_for_cows
08-11-2009, 07:46 AM
Stosur NEVER doublefaults on her first serve.

jamesblakefan#1
08-11-2009, 09:31 AM
Stosur, Bartoli, Pennetta, Zvonareva etc. were having troubles in reaching second or third rounds of every tournament they played. And these days they are winning big tournaments (La, Stanford and others) or reaching semifinals of grand slam tournaments. Is this because they work harder nowadays, or is this just a consequence of retiremnet of the likes of Henin and Clijsters and poor consistency of today's top players.

Bartoli beat Henin in a slam SF, did you forget or something?

Stosur's a talented player, we'll see if she can keep it up this summer.

Pennetta's really made strides this summer, winning 2 titles since Wimbledon.

Zvonareva has top 10 talent, just been struggling recently due to injury.

In short, the success of these players has little to no relation to the retirement of Henin. It's like saying the WS only succeded b/c Graf and Navratilova retired. Or Fed only succeeded b/c Sampras retired. New players come along, regardless of whether or not the other ones move on or not.

Wolland
08-11-2009, 10:21 AM
Bartoli beat Henin in a slam SF, did you forget or something?

Stosur's a talented player, we'll see if she can keep it up this summer.

Pennetta's really made strides this summer, winning 2 titles since Wimbledon.

Zvonareva has top 10 talent, just been struggling recently due to injury.

In short, the success of these players has little to no relation to the retirement of Henin. It's like saying the WS only succeded b/c Graf and Navratilova retired. Or Fed only succeeded b/c Sampras retired. New players come along, regardless of whether or not the other ones move on or not.

Bartoli did beat Henin at Wimbledon, but it was obvious that Henin was far below her best in that match. And Henin blitzed Bartoli in their next match, poor Marion couldn't even win a game.

And these players aren't new on the tour. They have been around for a long time, and it's only now that they have started playing their best tennis. Azarenka, Cibulkova and Wozniacki are new players, these listed above are not.

jamesblakefan#1
08-11-2009, 10:36 AM
Bartoli did beat Henin at Wimbledon, but it was obvious that Henin was far below her best in that match. And Henin blitzed Bartoli in their next match, poor Marion couldn't even win a game.

And these players aren't new on the tour. They have been around for a long time, and it's only now that they have started playing their best tennis. Azarenka, Cibulkova and Wozniacki are new players, these listed above are not.

It's not like these players are top 5 in the world now though. They're just making the strides in their career now. Some players progress in their career later than others (see: Federer) I don't see how these player's progression is related to Henin's retirement, as they aren't taking slam titles or rankings spots that Henin usually would have, in theory.

Wolland
08-11-2009, 10:46 AM
It's not like these players are top 5 in the world now though. They're just making the strides in their career now. Some players progress in their career later than others (see: Federer) I don't see how these player's progression is related to Henin's retirement, as they aren't taking slam titles or rankings spots that Henin usually would have, in theory.

Well, they're obviously late bloomers, and yes, you're right, they're not winning grand slams, but Bartoli won in Stanford, Pennetta in LA and Zvonareva in Indian Wells. What do you think, could they have achieved these results 3 or 4 years ago? Not to mention that Stosur was in the semifinals of the French Open.

jamesblakefan#1
08-11-2009, 10:56 AM
What do you think, could they have achieved these results 3 or 4 years ago? Not to mention that Stosur was in the semifinals of the French Open.

Well as mentioned, Bartoli was in the finals of Wimby 07.

Different players make different strides at differing points in their career. I don't think you can directly relate these player's success to Henin's retirement.

As I mentioned, that's like saying Fed wouldn't have 15 slams if Sampras was still playing, Nadal wouldn't have 4 FO if Guga was still playing, etc. Henin retired, her loss, don't take away from other's success b/c of her quitting.

Wolland
08-11-2009, 11:02 AM
I'll quote myself. This is my opinion about this subject. I guess you only read my first post. :)

Now I'll have my say about this. I think that the reason why these girls have become reasonably successful lies in the fact that Henin, Clijsters, Davenport etc. retired. When they played against them, they just didn't believe they could win. They had too much respect for them. And today when they play against Williams sisters at their best, they are also coming out onto the court with a white flag.

But why aren't they afraid of Jankovic, Ivanovic, Dementieva, Safina and other top girls. Well, they have beaten them before in early stages of their careers, so when Stosur, Bartoli, Pennetta, Zvonareva etc. are about to play a match against, let's say Jankovic, they think to them selves: Ok, I beat her before, so I can beat her again.