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JennyS
08-11-2009, 07:32 AM
2006: after being out 4 months with an injury, Nadal won Dubai, beating Federer in the final.
2008: injured in Paris and missed the Masters Cup and Davis Cup. But came back strong and won the Australian Open.
2009: misses Wimbledon with knee injury, out for over 2 months. I say he's the favorite to win the Open!

Serendipitous
08-11-2009, 07:33 AM
2006: after being out 4 months with an injury, Nadal won Dubai, beating Federer in the final.
2008: injured in Paris and missed the Masters Cup and Davis Cup. But came back strong and won the Australian Open.
2009: misses Wimbledon with knee injury, out for over 2 months. I say he's the favorite to win the Open!

I like the way you think. :)

Terr
08-11-2009, 07:34 AM
2006: after being out 4 months with an injury, Nadal won Dubai, beating Federer in the final.
2008: injured in Paris and missed the Masters Cup and Davis Cup. But came back strong and won the Australian Open.
2009: misses Wimbledon with knee injury, out for over 2 months. I say he's the favorite to win the Open!

:( I think it's a tall order, but I certainly hope he can. That'd make a career GS!

sureshs
08-11-2009, 07:35 AM
Nadal will win the Open. He is eager to show Roger who is the real boss.

zagor
08-11-2009, 07:39 AM
I agree,he's one of the main contenders.He's downplaying his chances dramatically in interviews as usual(which can be a bit annoying) but I think he'll find his form by USO and play well there.

GameSampras
08-11-2009, 08:03 AM
Heres a thought for Nadal.... QUIT GETTING INJURED, downplaying your chances, and then come raring back to tour ane win tournaments from the very start..

He should be fined for that. LOL. Everyone had him on his death bad the end of last year.. then what happens? He wins the Australian, a bunch of tourneys after. 2006 the same thing happened.. Now its happening again..

Terr
08-11-2009, 08:05 AM
I agree,he's one of the main contenders.He's downplaying his chances dramatically in interviews as usual(which can be a bit annoying) but I think he'll find his form by USO and play well there.

Less annoying than over-zealous arrogance pooling around his feet.

I can't think of a top 5 player with that attitude.

:twisted:

Heres a thought for Nadal.... QUIT GETTING INJURED, downplaying your chances, and then come raring back to tour ane win tournaments from the very start..

He should be fined for that. LOL. Everyone had him on his death bad the end of last year.. then what happens? He wins the Australian, a bunch of tourneys after. 2006 the same thing happened.. Now its happening again..

Rafael says he's very sorry about any lasting mental damage his injuries and ability to win may have caused the tennis community to suffer.

zagor
08-11-2009, 08:07 AM
Less annoying than over-zealous arrogance pooling around his feet.
I can't think of a top 5 player with that attitude.

:twisted:

Depends for whom,I find confidence,even overconfidence bordering on arrogance much more easier to accept from a top athlete than constant whining and downplaying his chances.

goyeji
08-11-2009, 08:10 AM
It is classy to be humble and modest and downplay your chances, and then dominate like Nadal. Much more classy than arrogant bad-mouthing of all your rivals and then losing badly to them with embarassment.

GameSampras
08-11-2009, 08:10 AM
Less annoying than over-zealous arrogance pooling around his feet.

I can't think of a top 5 player with that attitude.

:twisted:



Rafael says he's very sorry about any lasting mental damage his injuries and ability to win may have caused the tennis community to suffer.



See but this making me wonder now.. It does seem that every time Nadal is coming from an injury, he performs above the level expected and jumps right into his winning ways right from the get go. See last year as an example. Walks right into the AO and wins it..

Its almost sometimes as if he just takes little vacations here and there. I could understand why some people would question this.. This will be the 3rd time is happened

maximo
08-11-2009, 08:15 AM
Nadal and Muray to win USO 2009!

Vamos/come on!!

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 08:17 AM
Nadal and Muray to win USO 2009!

Vamos/come on!!
Great prediction Einstein, they r gonna play eachother in the semis (if they can advance that far)

mandy01
08-11-2009, 08:17 AM
I couldn't agree more..I find it ridiculously hard to believe this guy.
Like a fan said it seems like one is listening to Toni and not Rafa himself.

Terr
08-11-2009, 08:19 AM
It is classy to be humble and modest and downplay your chances, and then dominate like Nadal. Much more classy than arrogant bad-mouthing of all your rivals and then losing badly to them with embarassment.

I agree. Some athletes obviously had mothers who didn't teach their superstar tennis playing sons any common courtesy/humility.

I couldn't agree more..I find it ridiculously hard to believe this guy.
Like a fan said it seems like one is listening to Toni and not Rafa himself.

You dont have to believe his words. Just the results. If he loses, he wasn't an arrogant ***** to begin with and if he wins, well... all the better for him and his fans.

maximo
08-11-2009, 08:20 AM
Great prediction Einstein, they r gonna play eachother in the semis (if they can advance that far)

I said i don't mind if either one wins...

mandy01
08-11-2009, 08:23 AM
You dont have to believe his words. Just the results. If he loses, he wasn't an arrogant ***** to begin with and if he wins, well... all the better for him and his fans. If he loses he has a ready excuse.If he wins he's a hero and all the suffering goes up the flames.

namelessone
08-11-2009, 08:32 AM
See but this making me wonder now.. It does seem that every time Nadal is coming from an injury, he performs above the level expected and jumps right into his winning ways right from the get go. See last year as an example. Walks right into the AO and wins it..

Its almost sometimes as if he just takes little vacations here and there. I could understand why some people would question this.. This will be the 3rd time is happened

Yeah,those little vacations are called tendinitis flare-ups.It's not like Nadal sits at home enjoying himself while his competitors win titles and pass him in the rankings.Last year he rested for 2 and a half months and missed TMC and DC final,2 very important tournaments for him especiall the DC Cup,cause Rafa is very patriotic and loves to play DC.

He won AO but look how grueling his matches were,especially the ones with simon/verdasco and federer.Plus he came in AO with low expectations having been beaten there in previous years.He was like the fourth favourite.It's not like Nadal marched towards the AO title,he fought until the end and finally got it,in 5 close sets with Fed(ok,last set wasn't close but still).

Get used to it.I'm a Nadal fan and I can see more "little vacations" in his future.His knees and playing style will see to that.

namelessone
08-11-2009, 08:38 AM
If he loses he has a ready excuse.If he wins he's a hero and all the suffering goes up the flames.

It's called low expectations and it's normal for a guy that has been sidelined for 2 months.It's not like Nadal is blind siding everyone and coming out of nowhere to win USOpen after this injury.He cannot expect much because it's unlikely he will win much the rest of the year and he is the first one to know this.If he makes quarters in Montreal maybe he can make quarters in USOpen,anything beyond that is bonus.

And it doesn't matter if he loses or wins in Montreal.This is nothing but a glorified exo for him,hence the statement that it is impossible for him to win it.He knows the other guys smell blood,that he is rusty after 2 months off and he doesn't get his hopes up and neither should his fans.

I just want to see the guy play,seems like ages since he hasn't stepped on court.

Terr
08-11-2009, 08:39 AM
If he loses he has a ready excuse.If he wins he's a hero and all the suffering goes up the flames.

You're basically saying he has a win/win personality.

Picture this. Nadal says 'I'm going to win. My knees feel like new. I will thrash Federer. I am the best.'

He then loses in the final of USO against Fed. Or he loses in the first round. He has to eat his own words.

He wins, he sounds like an arrogant 5 year old.

He says 'I'm not sure. We'll see'

He loses. We weren't expecting much, anyway.

He wins. We're surprised by his victory.

There are players who work their entire careers to attain the same level of humility. He might not be the greatest player in the world or even on tour, but don't make his positive traits into something they're not.

raiden031
08-11-2009, 08:41 AM
Only if Soderling is not on his side of the draw. :twisted:

Terr
08-11-2009, 08:42 AM
Only if Soderling is not on his side of the draw. :twisted:

I thought Soderling was out with elbow issues anyway?

Nadalfan89
08-11-2009, 08:43 AM
You're basically saying he has a win/win personality.

Picture this. Nadal says 'I'm going to win. My knees feel like new. I will thrash Federer. I am the best.'

He then loses in the final of USO against Fed. Or he loses in the first round. He has to eat his own words.

He wins, he sounds like an arrogant 5 year old.

He says 'I'm not sure. We'll see'

He loses. We weren't expecting much, anyway.

He wins. We're surprised by his victory.

There are players who work their entire careers to attain the same level of humility. He might not be the greatest player in the world or even on tour, but don't make his positive traits into something they're not.


He is the best.

mandy01
08-11-2009, 08:45 AM
You're basically saying he has a win/win personality.

Picture this. Nadal says 'I'm going to win. My knees feel like new. I will thrash Federer. I am the best.'

He then loses in the final of USO against Fed. Or he loses in the first round. He has to eat his own words.

He wins, he sounds like an arrogant 5 year old.

He says 'I'm not sure. We'll see'

He loses. We weren't expecting much, anyway.

He wins. We're surprised by his victory.

There are players who work their entire careers to attain the same level of humility. He might not be the greatest player in the world or even on tour, but don't make his positive traits into something they're not.

First off-He dosent have to be extreme.I dont mind the "we'll see what happens" attitude at all.What I mind is the continuous drumroll of how he is not 100%,how he is not a fav.for the upcoming GS.How Federer is always the favourito etc.
And quite frankly,I like players who say straight away that they believe they can win the tournament.Why not? If you've worked for it,it should be no problem.If you lose-bad at the office,there's always a next time.
All in all I like players who are honest and I dont consider saying "I can win the tournament" talks arrogant at all..And sorry, I'm not fond of pre-emptive provisions.

TheFifthSet
08-11-2009, 08:47 AM
Nadal and Murray to win USO 2009!



Uhh . . . . something's got to give. ;)

mandy01
08-11-2009, 08:48 AM
Only if Soderling is not on his side of the draw. :twisted:
Dont.He'll end up calling Soderling the favourite :lol:

JennyS
08-11-2009, 09:07 AM
Uhh . . . . something's got to give. ;)

This is how it could happen. Nadal and Murray are playing the US Open final and are tied at 5-5 in a 5th set tiebreak. Suddenly the rains come pouring down and it rains for 5 weeks straight. By then, the USTA declares them Co-Champions!

Terr
08-11-2009, 09:12 AM
First off-He dosent have to be extreme.I dont mind the "we'll see what happens" attitude at all.What I mind is the continuous drumroll of how he is not 100%,how he is not a fav.for the upcoming GS.How Federer is always the favourito etc.
And quite frankly,I like players who say straight away that they believe they can win the tournament.Why not? If you've worked for it,it should be no problem.If you lose-bad at the office,there's always a next time.
All in all I like players who are honest and I dont consider saying "I can win the tournament" talks arrogant at all..And sorry, I'm not fond of pre-emptive provisions.

Now that you've put it that way, I see where you're coming from.

'I can win' is not arrogant

'I'm going to win. My knees feel like new. I will thrash Federer. I am the best.'

That would be arrogant.

mandy01
08-11-2009, 09:17 AM
Now that you've put it that way, I see where you're coming from.

'I can win' is not arrogant

'I'm going to win. My knees feel like new. I will thrash Federer. I am the best.'

That would be arrogant. It wouldnt be arrogant(when you have results and multiple GS wins,it aint arrogance)..it would be a little too out of character for him or for any of these guys.

Terr
08-11-2009, 09:31 AM
It wouldnt be arrogant(when you have results and multiple GS wins,it aint arrogance)..it would be a little too out of character for him or for any of these guys.

I certainly hope no one stoops as low as to say anything along those lines in this sport.

I like that tennis is a classy sport. If I didn't, I'd be a football hooligan, following Beckham around the world.

God it's such an awful sport.

clayman2000
08-11-2009, 10:41 AM
Look can i ask everyone a question. How can Rafa know how healthy he is? He has not played a match in 2 months. A tennis match against a ATP pro is the only way he can fully measure how well he is. Training is one thing, but actually playing is different.

Rafa is saying he is not sure how well he is because he could come back on the court and still feel crappy against a high level player. His practicing partners cannot challenge him as much as a pro can. No?

namelessone
08-11-2009, 10:57 AM
First off-He dosent have to be extreme.I dont mind the "we'll see what happens" attitude at all.What I mind is the continuous drumroll of how he is not 100%,how he is not a fav.for the upcoming GS.How Federer is always the favourito etc.
And quite frankly,I like players who say straight away that they believe they can win the tournament.Why not? If you've worked for it,it should be no problem.If you lose-bad at the office,there's always a next time.
All in all I like players who are honest and I dont consider saying "I can win the tournament" talks arrogant at all..And sorry, I'm not fond of pre-emptive provisions.

Hmm...Let me see.Fed has 5 USOpen,Nadal has 0.I'm guessing Fed and even Murray/Djokovic have and advantage over Nadal there.So yeah,Nadal was right,Fed is the favourite.
Wimbledon.Up until this year,Fed had 5,Nadal 1.I'm pretty sure that Fed is favourite so again Rafa is right.
AO.Fed has 3 and Rafa 1.Federer is favourite.

The only Slam in which he is favourite over Roger is the FO where he has 4 and Roger 1.Pre-emptive excuses? How is stating a reality an excuse? He will never be 100% again unless he takes something like 6 months off(or a big period of time),so he isn't entering USOpen in his best form.Nadal will never be a favourite at the USOpen because it is his worst surface,jut like Fed will never be a favourite at the clay of RG.How is Fed not a favourite at the USOpen? He has 5 there,Nadal doesn't even have a final.Nadal is not afraid to speak his mind.In 2006 I think he said something like "Fed is the best in the world,just not here",when speaking about Fed and RG so it's not like it is false modesty.The guy knows his place and realises that Roger is a big favourite outside of RG,especially at USOpen.

It is not Nadal's mentality to say he can win from the start.Even last year,when he pounded everyone at RG,he said he wants to take it step by step.It is something his uncle taught him,to see defeat as a real possibility and fight against it,fight to win.Nadal knows he can lose,that is why he doesn't make clear statements at the start of the tournament.He obviously also knows he can win but he knows he has to do it first and talk about it later.

The-Champ
08-11-2009, 11:08 AM
Nadal and Muray to win USO 2009!

Vamos/come on!!


If they play doubles, they might. But its the singles that matters and, with singles in context...I will go highlander on the scott and say..........

There can only be one!

The-Champ
08-11-2009, 11:16 AM
Heres a thought for Nadal.... QUIT GETTING INJURED, downplaying your chances, and then come raring back to tour ane win tournaments from the very start..He should be fined for that. LOL. Everyone had him on his death bad the end of last year.. then what happens? He wins the Australian, a bunch of tourneys after. 2006 the same thing happened.. Now its happening again..


Hey man, Pete was cool too. Injury made him pull out of the USO in 99 and other tournaments after that, but came back STRONG and pulverised AA to win the YEC. That was the second best Sampras match ever!

Serendipitous
08-11-2009, 11:22 AM
Uhh . . . . something's got to give. ;)

Doubles!!!!!

DarthMaul
08-11-2009, 11:31 AM
Nadal and Muray to win USO 2009!

Vamos/come on!!

Did they change the rules to allow two winners? Cool!

FedFan_2009
08-11-2009, 11:40 AM
Another useless trolling thread. Mods delete this.

maximo
08-11-2009, 11:41 AM
Did they change the rules to allow two winners? Cool!

I should of said or, big DEAL!

Grow up.

boojay
08-11-2009, 12:14 PM
Nadal VAMOS'd in the first round!

C'MON!!

I don't want to see Murray with the #2 ranking, but it's gonna happen just as I predicted months ago.

flyinghippos101
08-11-2009, 12:18 PM
Not quite, I'm not yet inclined to say Nadal is the favourite for the USO just because he has shown some good results coming from injury. Unless he does fantastic at Rogers Cup, then I'll glady say Nadal will reach atleast the Quarters or Semis of the USO.

CCNM
08-11-2009, 12:54 PM
Perhaps I've been spending too much time on Fed's site, but until Rafa releases photos of himself in an operating room with bandages on his body parts, I refuse to believe he's injured.

Tiberius
08-11-2009, 12:56 PM
I should of said or, big DEAL!

Grow up.

Oh the irony!!!!!!! :D

TheFifthSet
08-11-2009, 12:59 PM
Doubles!!!!!

http://s.chakpak.com/se_images/101_-1_564_none/mixed-doubles-wallpaper.jpg

I've got you beat, buddy. :)

maximo
08-11-2009, 01:16 PM
Oh the irony!!!!!!! :D

Hey, the troll!! ;)

BTW, are you really vtmike like goyeji said???

NamRanger
08-11-2009, 02:32 PM
Hey, the troll!! ;)

BTW, are you really vtmike like goyeji said???



Why hello there Maximo, I'm still around.

S H O W S T O P P E R !
08-11-2009, 02:36 PM
:( I think it's a tall order, but I certainly hope he can. That'd make a career GS!

And Roger got his career slam this year too, which I think it the first time 2 players won career slams in the same year.

BallzofSkill
08-11-2009, 03:09 PM
if he breaks a leg every year he can surpass roger's record by 2012.

Terr
08-11-2009, 10:16 PM
And Roger got his career slam this year too, which I think it the first time 2 players won career slams in the same year.

Maan. They should make tennis like WWE. Pay them to lose! Two career slams in a year! I'd pay per view for that. :)

N.B. Joke. No one freak out.

mandy01
08-12-2009, 12:17 AM
Hmm...Let me see.Fed has 5 USOpen,Nadal has 0.I'm guessing Fed and even Murray/Djokovic have and advantage over Nadal there.So yeah,Nadal was right,Fed is the favourite.
Wimbledon.Up until this year,Fed had 5,Nadal 1.I'm pretty sure that Fed is favourite so again Rafa is right.
AO.Fed has 3 and Rafa 1.Federer is favourite.

The only Slam in which he is favourite over Roger is the FO where he has 4 and Roger 1.Pre-emptive excuses? How is stating a reality an excuse? He will never be 100% again unless he takes something like 6 months off(or a big period of time),so he isn't entering USOpen in his best form.Nadal will never be a favourite at the USOpen because it is his worst surface,jut like Fed will never be a favourite at the clay of RG.How is Fed not a favourite at the USOpen? He has 5 there,Nadal doesn't even have a final.Nadal is not afraid to speak his mind.In 2006 I think he said something like "Fed is the best in the world,just not here",when speaking about Fed and RG so it's not like it is false modesty.The guy knows his place and realises that Roger is a big favourite outside of RG,especially at USOpen.

It is not Nadal's mentality to say he can win from the start.Even last year,when he pounded everyone at RG,he said he wants to take it step by step.It is something his uncle taught him,to see defeat as a real possibility and fight against it,fight to win.Nadal knows he can lose,that is why he doesn't make clear statements at the start of the tournament.He obviously also knows he can win but he knows he has to do it first and talk about it later.
Hmmmm...let me see...Its Nadal who leads their H2H right? Funny how he keeps telling us how Roger is the favourite to win their matches.Its called deflating pressure.The favourite is based on the confidence against the opponent and not just on how many titles the player has won in the past.Its called patronizing,what he keeps doing.
Besides I remember him saying the no 1 is always the favourite quite a few times.Why did he then deflate the pressure before AO? He was the no 1 right?
As for pre-emptive excuses..well his reverse psychology comes off as that and can get annoying.
And he has deflated pressure at the the FO too.So dont give me one sentence from 2006 FO.

Reality? my foot..if you're never 100% you get the hell out and dont play.Does Roger say-I am not 100%(and mind you he hasnt always been at the peak of his health...I remember him struggling with foot injuries before AO 05 and not mentioning a word about them.Same for all of the slams so far. )FO is my worst surface etc before the tournament has even started?For four years he was denied the FO and he kept saying he'd win it one day. Are you trying to tell me that other guys dont know they can lose ?

maximo
08-12-2009, 02:27 AM
Why hello there Maximo, I'm still around.

You'll get banned soon enough. I wouldn't worry about that.

Fedfan1234
08-12-2009, 03:34 AM
Nadal only has a chance if he doesn't have to face any of these players:
Djokovic
Murray
Roddick
Del Potro
and he could potentially lose to any of these players.
Tsonga
Davydenko
Blake
Monfils

Tiberius
08-12-2009, 03:59 AM
You'll get banned soon enough. I wouldn't worry about that.

You take internet forums wayyy too seriously!...Lighten up buddy...

maximo
08-12-2009, 04:12 AM
You take internet forums wayyy too seriously!...Lighten up buddy...

What happened to vtmike?

goyeji's worked you out.

Tiberius
08-12-2009, 04:26 AM
What happened to vtmike?

goyeji's worked you out.

If me being vtmike or some old poster helps you sleep at night then be it...

I honestly don't care who you think I am on an internet forum... :)

maximo
08-12-2009, 04:29 AM
If me being vtmike or some old poster helps you sleep at night then be it...

I honestly don't care who you think I am on an internet forum... :)

I couldn't give a toss who you are. But from the looks of things you have been trolling the same way vtmike did. BTW, funny that you come from Texas just like he does. :lol:

Tiberius
08-12-2009, 04:48 AM
I couldn't give a toss who you are. But from the looks of things you have been trolling the same way vtmike did. BTW, funny that you come from Texas just like he does. :lol:

You do care! Its pretty obvious from your persistent questions...

Are you trying to suggest there is only one tennis fan in Texas?

Tiberius
08-12-2009, 04:50 AM
But from the looks of things you have been trolling:

care to give me examples of my troll posts?

maximo
08-12-2009, 04:52 AM
You do care! Its pretty obvious from your persistent questions...

Are you trying to suggest there is only one tennis fan in Texas?

I made a statement in that quote you posted, not a question. Don't you know the difference!?

Tiberius
08-12-2009, 04:55 AM
^^^ Talking with you is like talking to a 10 year old! I'm done with you...cyao!

Lifted
08-12-2009, 04:56 AM
If he fails to do well at Montreal and Cincinnati, do these expectations for the US Open change?

mandy01
08-12-2009, 04:57 AM
If he fails to do well at Montreal and Cincinnati, do these expectations for the US Open change? No,because that'll put him as an even bigger underdog.Remember he did not do well in Doha and still won the AO.

namelessone
08-12-2009, 04:58 AM
Hmmmm...let me see...Its Nadal who leads their H2H right? Funny how he keeps bullsh*tting us on how Roger is the favourite to win their matches.Its called deflating pressure.The favourite is based on current form and confidence against the opponent and not just on how many titles the player has won in the past.
Besides I remember him saying the no 1 is always the favourite quite a few times.Why did he then deflate the pressure before AO? He was the no 1 right?
He gives pre-emptive excuses so he always has an excuse ready when he loses .
And he has deflated pressure at the the FO too.So dont give me one sentence from 2006 FO.

Reality? my foot..if you're never 100% you get the hell out and dont play.Does Roger say-I am not 100%(and mind you he hasnt always been at the peak of his health...I remember him struggling with foot injuries before AO 05 and not mentioning a word about them.Same for all of the slams so far. )FO is my worst surface etc?For four years he was denied the FO and he kept saying he'd win it one day. Are you trying to tell me that other guys dont know they can lose ?

Being nr.1 does not a favourite make.Fed has been nr.1 for so many years yet people knew he was in effect nr.2 when entering RG.This goes for Nadal,especially in AO and USOpen where he has lost so many years running.
Nadal has said the same thing about Roger since he was a teenager.He feels Federer is a better player than him and you are accusing him of deflating pressure which I find pretty funny.Name one GS outside of RG in the 2004-2009 where Federer wasn't a favourite over Nadal,even if Roger wasn't neccesarily the nr.1.For me,to be a favourite in a specific tournament you need to have 2 things: a good game for the surface of the tournament and to be in good playing form.A third,as a bonus,would be having won many titles there so you feel even more confident in that particular tourney.

Example:Nadal was kicking *** in 2008 and yet few people considered him a favourite in USOpen(I know I didn't and I am a Nadal fan).Why? Because his worst surface is fast HC and he has had weak results there.His result last year showed that again,not even making finals.

Here's the thing about Nadal-Federer.Nadal works harder to beat Fed than anyone else so he gives Fed his due.He also has seen first hand how hard it is to win 6 GS and he has in front of him a guy who has 15.Nadal,being a polite kid,has shown respect to Fed because of this.He has said time and time again that Fed is the best player he has ever played against.And he did this both when he was losing and when he was winning.After the last 2 GS,what did he have to say about Fed's success:"Fed deserves where he is.Numbers don't lie".If this is just PR he should be tired of doing it by now cause it has been 5 years and he is still saying nice things about Fed.

When Nadal has mentioned injuries he usually did it after tournaments.When he had "pain in his famous ***" after AO 07',he didn't say it lost him the match.When he had problems with tendinitis he said it after tournaments(whether won or lost)as well.But I didn't hear him say "I could have won if....".That's how some people are interpreting his words.I am going to say this again.Montreal is an exo for him,no more,no less,that is why he said it's impossible for him to win it.

A pre-emptive excuse is when someone enters a tournament with the intention of winning it and on the way says he is not feeling well,not in good form and so on.Nadal doesn't enter montreal thinking he will win it.It's competitional practice for him,no more,no less.If he entered to win and said he doesn't feel good and so on,I would have told him to stay home.But if he sees it as practice I don't see what the problem is with these statements.

Tell me when has Nadal used a "pre-emptive" excuse before a GS.And something clear,not something you think is a an excuse.On the contrary,Nadal has hidden many of his ailments so his adversaries wouldn't know he was suffering,unless it was something visible.

Whatever,I guess we'll agree to disagree.

Wolland
08-12-2009, 05:00 AM
I hope Murray or Djokovic to win the US Open. Nadal won AO, Roger RG and Wimbledon, and somehow it would add to diversity if one of those two would clinch the US crown.

deltox
08-12-2009, 05:07 AM
Being nr.1 does not a favourite make.Fed has been nr.1 for so many years yet people knew he was in effect nr.2 when entering RG.This goes for Nadal,especially in AO and USOpen where he has lost so many years running.
Nadal has said the same thing about Roger since he was a teenager.He feels Federer is a better player than him and you are accusing him of deflating pressure which I find pretty funny.Name one GS outside of RG in the 2004-2009 where Federer wasn't a favourite over Nadal,even if Roger wasn't neccesarily the nr.1.For me,to be a favourite in a specific tournament you need to have 2 things: a good game for the surface of the tournament and to be in good playing form.A third,as a bonus,would be having won many titles there so you feel even more confident in that particular tourney.

Example:Nadal was kicking *** in 2008 and yet few people considered him a favourite in USOpen(I know I didn't and I am a Nadal fan).Why? Because his worst surface is fast HC and he has had weak results there.His result last year showed that again,not even making finals.

Here's the thing about Nadal-Federer.Nadal works harder to beat Fed than anyone else so he gives Fed his due.He also has seen first hand how hard it is to win 6 GS and he has in front of him a guy who has 15.Nadal,being a polite kid,has shown respect to Fed because of this.He has said time and time again that Fed is the best player he has ever played against.And he did this both when he was losing and when he was winning.After the last 2 GS,what did he have to say about Fed's success:"Fed deserves where he is.Numbers don't lie".If this is just PR he should be tired of doing it by now cause it has been 5 years and he is still saying nice things about Fed.

When Nadal has mentioned injuries he usually did it after tournaments.When he had "pain in his famous ***" after AO 07',he didn't say it lost him the match.When he had problems with tendinitis he said it after tournaments(whether won or lost)as well.But I didn't hear him say "I could have won if....".That's how some people are interpreting his words.I am going to say this again.Montreal is an exo for him,no more,no less,that is why he said it's impossible for him to win it.

A pre-emptive excuse is when someone enters a tournament with the intention of winning it and on the way says he is not feeling well,not in good form and so on.Nadal doesn't enter montreal thinking he will win it.It's competitional practice for him,no more,no less.If he entered to win and said he doesn't feel good and so on,I would have told him to stay home.But if he sees it as practice I don't see what the problem is with these statements.

Tell me when has Nadal used a "pre-emptive" excuse before a GS.And something clear,not something you think is a an excuse.On the contrary,Nadal has hidden many of his ailments so his adversaries wouldn't know he was suffering,unless it was something visible.

Whatever,I guess we'll agree to disagree.

i see a block of text proclaiming nadal to be above human, i call plain and simple ********. every single time the guy takes a big L there is a noble reason for it. in the past year every time he has gone into an event he or his uncle has proclaimed him cripple before the tournament. they are, whether anyone likes it or not, building up a defense just in case in almost every scenario.

he, this last time took his ailment all the way back to miami in an interview, where he only made the quarters. now the french - wimbledon you cannot disapprove of the absence. now if and when he comes back, he needs to play and quit the complaining. if your hurt or injured, dont play. if your not, good luck and more power to you. this goes for any player, not just nadal.

deltox
08-12-2009, 05:12 AM
I hope Murray or Djokovic to win the US Open. Nadal won AO, Roger RG and Wimbledon, and somehow it would add to diversity if one of those two would clinch the US crown.

i like the diversity outlook, but djokovic and murray, naw, its time for the Roddick machine to go into high gear.

mandy01
08-12-2009, 05:22 AM
Being nr.1 does not a favourite make.Fed has been nr.1 for so many years yet people knew he was in effect nr.2 when entering RG.This goes for Nadal,especially in AO and USOpen where he has lost so many years running.
Nadal has said the same thing about Roger since he was a teenager.He feels Federer is a better player than him and you are accusing him of deflating pressure which I find pretty funny.Name one GS outside of RG in the 2004-2009 where Federer wasn't a favourite over Nadal,even if Roger wasn't neccesarily the nr.1.For me,to be a favourite in a specific tournament you need to have 2 things: a good game for the surface of the tournament and to be in good playing form.A third,as a bonus,would be having won many titles there so you feel even more confident in that particular tourney.

Example:Nadal was kicking *** in 2008 and yet few people considered him a favourite in USOpen(I know I didn't and I am a Nadal fan).Why? Because his worst surface is fast HC and he has had weak results there.His result last year showed that again,not even making finals.

Here's the thing about Nadal-Federer.Nadal works harder to beat Fed than anyone else so he gives Fed his due.He also has seen first hand how hard it is to win 6 GS and he has in front of him a guy who has 15.Nadal,being a polite kid,has shown respect to Fed because of this.He has said time and time again that Fed is the best player he has ever played against.And he did this both when he was losing and when he was winning.After the last 2 GS,what did he have to say about Fed's success:"Fed deserves where he is.Numbers don't lie".If this is just PR he should be tired of doing it by now cause it has been 5 years and he is still saying nice things about Fed.

When Nadal has mentioned injuries he usually did it after tournaments.When he had "pain in his famous ***" after AO 07',he didn't say it lost him the match.When he had problems with tendinitis he said it after tournaments(whether won or lost)as well.But I didn't hear him say "I could have won if....".That's how some people are interpreting his words.I am going to say this again.Montreal is an exo for him,no more,no less,that is why he said it's impossible for him to win it.

A pre-emptive excuse is when someone enters a tournament with the intention of winning it and on the way says he is not feeling well,not in good form and so on.Nadal doesn't enter montreal thinking he will win it.It's competitional practice for him,no more,no less.If he entered to win and said he doesn't feel good and so on,I would have told him to stay home.But if he sees it as practice I don't see what the problem is with these statements.

Tell me when has Nadal used a "pre-emptive" excuse before a GS.And something clear,not something you think is a an excuse.On the contrary,Nadal has hidden many of his ailments so his adversaries wouldn't know he was suffering,unless it was something visible.

Whatever,I guess we'll agree to disagree.
First bolded part..then why did he say the no 1 player is always the favourite?

second bolded part..you included 'for me' I stopped reading there.You conveniently ignore the H2H and the fact that it was Nadal who ended up winning most of the matches.You also left out the confidence factor.Other than just liking and playing well on a surface,these factors also play a part.And yes,it is called deflating pressure and patronizing.

About USO08-.He said he was tired after the Olympics.

Third bolded part-I do know Nadal respects Federer.What I also know is that he resorts to unwanted patronzing sometimes like calling Roger the best of the history after beating him at slams.Ironically Roger dosent consider himself as the greatest .

Fourth bolded part-Then what was it that he did at AO 09? When he said he wasnt sure he had recovered etc?

Fifth bolded part-Not necessarily.

Sixth..I agree with that.Nadal hasnt always let his injuries known.But before a GS final he never has the pressure on him.It goes on Roger.If he isnt the favourite against Roger why does he keep winning?

Btw-He just used a pre-emptive excuse for the USO has even started.Heck there two tournaments to be played still..He used it before AO 09.
Yes,we'll agree to disagree.

Gen
08-12-2009, 05:57 AM
Great prediction Einstein, they r gonna play eachother in the semis (if they can advance that far)

Why? If Nadal keeps his No.2 ranking position, and Murray is in the other half, they can see each other in the final. It's very unfortunate that both of them can not win it. Actually I would like the trophey to be cut in four pieces ti include Djok and Safin.:)

rommil
08-12-2009, 06:31 AM
I thought Soderling was out with elbow issues anyway?

Soderling is downplaying it to make Rafa lower his expectations on Soderling. See they are learning from him.

rommil
08-12-2009, 06:34 AM
Nadal and Muray to win USO 2009!

Vamos/come on!!

So in the finals it will be Federer on one side and Nadal and Murray on the other. Hmmm has it come to that?

maximo
08-12-2009, 06:42 AM
So in the finals it will be Federer on one side and Nadal and Murray on the other. Hmmm has it come to that?

Federer won't even reach the final. :lol:

rommil
08-12-2009, 06:53 AM
Federer won't even reach the final. :lol:

Why Ms Harding, do you have a plan?

maximo
08-12-2009, 06:57 AM
Why Ms Harding, do you have a plan?

delete.

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NamRanger
08-12-2009, 06:59 AM
Federer won't even reach the final. :lol:


Why hello there Maximo, I'm still around.

maximo
08-12-2009, 07:00 AM
Why hello there Maximo, I'm still around.

Trolling as usual Mr. Ranger? :lol:

Terr
08-12-2009, 07:04 AM
No,because that'll put him as an even bigger underdog.Remember he did not do well in Doha and still won the AO.

Underdog stories sell! Haven't you seen Dodgeball? :)

JennyS
09-12-2009, 09:07 AM
I am two wins away from calling this one:D

feetofclay
09-12-2009, 10:47 AM
[QUOTE=mandy01;3795078

Roger dosent consider himself as the greatest[/QUOTE]

Really?
For those inclined to deflate the self-adoring, though, Federer didn't present an easy target. His offhand tone imbued the most conceited comments -- from the frequent "I was always so talented" to this reading of the crowd at his 2007 U.S. Open matches: "I have the feeling they're watching greatness"

mandy01
09-12-2009, 10:50 AM
Really?
For those inclined to deflate the self-adoring, though, Federer didn't present an easy target. His offhand tone imbued the most conceited comments -- from the frequent "I was always so talented" to this reading of the crowd at his 2007 U.S. Open matches: "I have the feeling they're watching greatness" Where did he call himself the GOAT?He himself said there isnt one and its obvious he respects the game too much to claim so. Or is he not allowed to call himself a talented and a great player?
Maybe he should use more politically correct,sugar-coated crap.And he never said 'He had the feeling ' he said 'they got the feeling' and it was because god knows how many would come and tell him so.

kishnabe
09-12-2009, 12:06 PM
2006: after being out 4 months with an injury, Nadal won Dubai, beating Federer in the final.
2008: injured in Paris and missed the Masters Cup and Davis Cup. But came back strong and won the Australian Open.
2009: misses Wimbledon with knee injury, out for over 2 months. I say he's the favorite to win the Open!

I hope you are right about this!!

roberttennis54
09-12-2009, 12:07 PM
Really?
For those inclined to deflate the self-adoring, though, Federer didn't present an easy target. His offhand tone imbued the most conceited comments -- from the frequent "I was always so talented" to this reading of the crowd at his 2007 U.S. Open matches: "I have the feeling they're watching greatness"

I really cannot stand false modesty. What is Federer supposed to say about his talent and his abiity. He knows he is something special and it will be insulting to the fans to pretend he is unaware of his talent. Federer speaks his true opinions more than anybody else on the tour and proven right the majority of the time.

feetofclay
09-12-2009, 02:14 PM
I really cannot stand false modesty. What is Federer supposed to say about his talent and his abiity. He knows he is something special and it will be insulting to the fans to pretend he is unaware of his talent. Federer speaks his true opinions more than anybody else on the tour and proven right the majority of the time.

He could just keep it buttoned (the mouth that is). He could even let the brain get into gear before the mouth starts working.He may know he has something special but that doesn't imo give him licence to speak of himself in these terms.

JennyS
09-12-2009, 02:18 PM
I really cannot stand false modesty. What is Federer supposed to say about his talent and his abiity. He knows he is something special and it will be insulting to the fans to pretend he is unaware of his talent. Federer speaks his true opinions more than anybody else on the tour and proven right the majority of the time.

Yeah, it would be idiotic. Everyone knows he is gifted and he doesn't sound egotistical when he's saying it. His peers obviously think he's a great guy as they vote him the best sportsman every year!

theroleoftheunderdog
09-12-2009, 02:37 PM
don't see him winning it. to "expect him to win the US Open" is a bit too far

RFLEGEND
09-12-2009, 03:40 PM
nadals always having injuries

RFLEGEND
09-12-2009, 03:41 PM
ankle injury then abdomanil injury far out

DonBudge
10-10-2009, 04:28 AM
can't stop laughing ha ha!!!!