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Cesc Fabregas
08-11-2009, 11:14 AM
Peter Fleming just said Nadal is the best player in the world. Intresting that a former tour player with many years of experience still feels Nadal is the best in the world.

Serendipitous
08-11-2009, 11:15 AM
Peter Fleming is a genius.

We should all respect him.

Blinkism
08-11-2009, 11:16 AM
Must worship Fleming

akv89
08-11-2009, 11:17 AM
We've yet to see how well he's gonna play after his long break.

JoelDali
08-11-2009, 11:18 AM
Federer and Fleming never did get along well. No wonder he said this.

Blinkism
08-11-2009, 11:18 AM
We've yet to see how well he's gonna play after his long break.

You dare question Fleming?!?!

Foolish mortal

:evil:

Serendipitous
08-11-2009, 11:19 AM
You dare question Fleming?!?!

Foolish mortal

:evil:

LOL........:D

bolo
08-11-2009, 11:19 AM
Peter Fleming just said Nadal is the best player in the world. Intresting that a former tour player with many years of experience still feels Nadal is the best in the world.

Interesting to know. Having played with one tennis genius fleming obviously recognizes a 2nd one in nadal. :)

I have to go with federer as the best in the world right now and the favorite at the U.S. open.

JRstriker12
08-11-2009, 11:24 AM
Peter who???

Serendipitous
08-11-2009, 11:24 AM
Peter who???

Fleming


10 chars

akv89
08-11-2009, 11:25 AM
You dare question Fleming?!?!

Foolish mortal

:evil:

I'm a rebel :cool:

DarthMaul
08-11-2009, 11:27 AM
Peter Norton thinks Donald Young is the best player in the world.

tudwell
08-11-2009, 11:28 AM
Rod Laver's the best player in the world right now. If he hadn't been afflicted by that terribly debilitating disease known as "being old", Federer never would have won the French and Wimbledon this year.

film1
08-11-2009, 11:29 AM
Not a huge major reach to say that but it is a reach at this time.
Having said that, I bet Murry would prefer to play Roger.

namelessone
08-11-2009, 11:30 AM
Peter Fleming has just started the flaming.

TheFifthSet
08-11-2009, 11:33 AM
I am Peter, hear me roar.

Turning Pro
08-11-2009, 11:35 AM
Well, technically he isn't that far from the truth. A healthy Nadal is the best player in the world. Federer can't live with a healthy Nadal as testiment to Fed's peak years let alone now, and the last 3 consecutive GS finals between them have been the most brutal and damaging matches in GS history.

Mick
08-11-2009, 11:36 AM
Federer and Fleming never did get along well. No wonder he said this.

maybe it's because fleming and mcenroe did not get along.
mcenroe says federer is the best (of all time) so fleming has to say nadal is the best (at this time) :)

bolo
08-11-2009, 11:38 AM
maybe it's because fleming and mcenroe did not get along.
mcenroe says federer is the best (of all time) so fleming has to say nadal is the best (at this time) :)

lol 10 char. :)

tintin
08-11-2009, 11:49 AM
free speech

Cesc Fabregas
08-11-2009, 11:50 AM
maybe it's because fleming and mcenroe did not get along.
mcenroe says federer is the best (of all time) so fleming has to say nadal is the best (at this time) :)

Fleming is a big fan of Nadal. :)

coloskier
08-11-2009, 11:51 AM
maybe it's because fleming and mcenroe did not get along.
mcenroe says federer is the best (of all time) so fleming has to say nadal is the best (at this time) :)

Fleming and Mac were doubles partners ever since juniors and grew up together. They were best buds along with Gerulaitis. Having played against them numerous times in juniors, you could see the camaraderie.

zagor
08-11-2009, 11:54 AM
Well,he's entitled to his opinion.I'll wait to see how the rest of the year goes to give my opinion on who's the best player in the world cause there's still USO series and indoor season to go.

I mean if Fed wins USO then yeah it's hard to argue against 3 slams but if say Nadal wins it then there are 2 players with 2 slams in the same year so then it'll come to who has won more masters titles as far as I'm concerned and Nadal so far leads Fed in that department(3 masters titles compared to Fed's 1).

goyeji
08-11-2009, 11:55 AM
Peter Fleming just stated the obvious that we knew all along. Nadal is the undisputed top player in the world who was temporarily sidelined with a grave injury. Period.

maximo
08-11-2009, 11:55 AM
Peter Fleming's a legend.

Cesc Fabregas
08-11-2009, 11:56 AM
Peter Fleming's a legend.

Yeah he's a great pundit.

Mick
08-11-2009, 11:58 AM
imo, nadal is probably a better competitor than federer but federer is clearly the better tennis player.

JRstriker12
08-11-2009, 11:58 AM
Peter Fleming's a legend.

...in his own mind. ;)

IMHO - hard to declare someone the best in the world while they are still on the come-back.

If he does really well over the next few tourneys, then I can see someone saying - see he's still the best...

hoodjem
08-11-2009, 11:59 AM
Rod Laver's the best player in the world right now. If he hadn't been afflicted by that terribly debilitating disease known as "being old", Federer never would have won the French and Wimbledon this year.

Laver also had a stroke.

pmerk34
08-11-2009, 12:00 PM
Well, technically he isn't that far from the truth. A healthy Nadal is the best player in the world. Federer can't live with a healthy Nadal as testiment to Fed's peak years let alone now, and the last 3 consecutive GS finals between them have been the most brutal and damaging matches in GS history.

Oh no doubt. This ludicrous notion that because Fed won a best 2-3 match in Madrid that somehow he was on the verge of beating Nadal in Paris and at Wimby is laughable. I saw nothing from Fed at either that would have led me to believe he would have beaten Nadal.

But lets all hail King Roger!!!

pmerk34
08-11-2009, 12:03 PM
Peter Fleming just stated the obvious that we knew all along. Nadal is the undisputed top player in the world who was temporarily sidelined with a grave injury. Period.

Amen..........

All-rounder
08-11-2009, 12:05 PM
lol

10 char

Serendipitous
08-11-2009, 12:06 PM
June 7th 2009 16:18
The day the King was crowned G.O.A.T

All-rounder
08-11-2009, 12:08 PM
diredesire is as good a moderator as Roger Federer is a tennis player.

:)

fps
08-11-2009, 12:11 PM
nope, a fit rafa would be the best player in the world. he's not fit, it's federer.

Chopin
08-11-2009, 12:14 PM
diredesire is as good a moderator as Roger Federer is a tennis player.

:)

I agree. Great moderator. Wasn't Peter Fleming Mac's doubles partner?

flyinghippos101
08-11-2009, 12:14 PM
I am Peter, hear me roar.

The Great Peter Fleming FTW. Noone shall doubt his power.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 12:14 PM
Peter Fleming just said Nadal is the best player in the world. Intresting that a former tour player with many years of experience still feels Nadal is the best in the world.
How about what Borg,Mcenroe and Edberg said? That Roger is the greatest ever.
Nadal isnt the best player in the world, hes been a cripple for 2 months.
Peter Fleming is a has been who misses the spotlight he got with Mac in the 80`s

flyinghippos101
08-11-2009, 12:15 PM
I agree. Great moderator. Wasn't Peter Fleming Mac's doubles partner?

HOLY CRAP, Its Chopin! Where did you go for the past weeks?

Serendipitous
08-11-2009, 12:15 PM
I agree. Great moderator. Wasn't Peter Fleming Mac's doubles partner?

WELCOME BACK!!!!!!!!!!:):):)

Chopin
08-11-2009, 12:15 PM
Oh no doubt. This ludicrous notion that because Fed won a best 2-3 match in Madrid that somehow he was on the verge of beating Nadal in Paris and at Wimby is laughable. I saw nothing from Fed at either that would have led me to believe he would have beaten Nadal.

But lets all hail King Roger!!!

Yeah, too bad Nadal couldn't get past Soderling.

boojay
08-11-2009, 12:15 PM
Fleming is a prime example of why we should just remove the safety labels off of everything and let nature take care of itself.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 12:17 PM
Yeah he's a great pundit.
If he would have critisized Nadal or SAmpras u would say "what does he know?" "what did he ever accomplishe"?

pmerk34
08-11-2009, 12:18 PM
Yeah, too bad Nadal couldn't get past Soderling.

Roger caught a huge break, he owns Soderling.

Cesc Fabregas
08-11-2009, 12:21 PM
If he would have critisized Nadal or SAmpras u would say "what does he know?" "what did he ever accomplishe"?

He is a funny guy with a great knowledge of the game.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 12:22 PM
He is a funny guy with a great knowledge of the game.
So are Sampras, Edberg, Borg Mcenroe and all the other former GREATS who says that Fed is the best ever.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 12:23 PM
He is a funny guy with a great knowledge of the game.
Great knowledge of doubles,Yes. He barely ever had a singles-ranking

Serendipitous
08-11-2009, 12:24 PM
Peter Fleming is my mother.

Cesc Fabregas
08-11-2009, 12:24 PM
Great knowledge of doubles,Yes. He barely ever had a singles-ranking

He got to no.8 in the world.

flyinghippos101
08-11-2009, 12:26 PM
Peter Fleming is my mother.

He's my BFFL :)

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 12:26 PM
He got to no.8 in the world.
In singles??

Serendipitous
08-11-2009, 12:27 PM
He's my BFFL :)

HUH? :confused:

Best Friend Forever Lover?

Chopin
08-11-2009, 12:27 PM
Roger caught a huge break, he owns Soderling.

I don't see why Federer didn't have a really good shot of beating Nadal at Wimbledon though (if Nadal even made it through the draw). I mean, Federer has beat him 2 out of 3 times there.

Then again, no way Nadal gets through Roddick at Wimbledon this year with Roddick's crazy good form--which is the point--simply because Nadal is a tough match-up for Fed does not mean that Nadal is excused from having to beat other players.

jamesblakefan#1
08-11-2009, 12:30 PM
I don't see why Federer didn't have a really good shot of beating Nadal at Wimbledon though (if Nadal even made it through the draw). I mean, Federer has beat him 2 out of 3 times there.

Then again, no way Nadal gets through Roddick at Wimbledon this year with Roddick's crazy good form--which is the point--simply because Nadal is a tough match-up for Fed does not mean that Nadal is excused from having to beat other players.

CHOPIN!! Good to see the classical stylings back on these boards. :D

Agassifan
08-11-2009, 12:31 PM
Peter who???

his only claim to fame is that he said "Rafa still the best player in the world"

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 12:33 PM
his only claim to fame is that he said "Rafa still the best player in the world"
Agree, that sums it up. As a lot off pll has said when they were asked who are the best doubles-pair in the world?? Johnny Mac and anyone.

All-rounder
08-11-2009, 12:33 PM
He got to no.8 in the world.
:-? number 8 with 3 career titles. And you say this era is weak

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-11-2009, 12:35 PM
:-? number 8 with 3 career titles. And you say this era is weak
Agree, 3 titles and no 8 in the world...wow! And a career record of 221-205 in singles...

All-rounder
08-11-2009, 12:37 PM
Agree, 3 titles and no 8 in the world...wow! And a career record of 221-205 in singles...
And here we are bickering about safina being no 1 lol :)

Tiberius
08-11-2009, 12:43 PM
Peter Fleming just stated the obvious that we knew all along. Nadal is the undisputed top player in the world who was temporarily sidelined with a grave injury. Period.

Yes Federer is just a peice of ***** compared to Nadal! All hail Nadal! Excuse me while I go to the corner Nadal shrine and pull on the Nadal statue underpants.

Tiberius
08-11-2009, 12:44 PM
delete .

P_Agony
08-11-2009, 12:44 PM
I happen to agree with him. With Federer past his prime, I think Nadal is the best player in the world today, and will soon recapture the #1 spot (though I hope it'll happen after year's end).

However, Federer and Murray are right up there with Nadal, and are still a threat to him.

flyinghippos101
08-11-2009, 12:45 PM
HUH? :confused:

Best Friend Forever Lover?

Best Friends For Life
Its common for people to be confused by BFFL, hardly used nowadays.:(

Tiberius
08-11-2009, 12:45 PM
I happen to agree with him. With Federer past his prime, I think Nadal is the best player in the world today, and will soon recapture the #1 spot (though I hope it'll happen after year's end).

However, Federer and Murray are right up there with Nadal, and are still a threat to him.

Shoulda coulda woulda...For all we know DelPotro might be the next world # 1...

JRstriker12
08-11-2009, 12:46 PM
Yes Federer is just a peice of ***** compared to Nadal! All hail Nadal! Excuse me while I go to the corner Nadal shrine and pull on the Nadal statue underpants.

LOL!

Peter Fleming: Is that a Nadal in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

dwhiteside
08-11-2009, 12:47 PM
Hey look, another great thread about who's better, Federer or Nadal!

P_Agony
08-11-2009, 12:49 PM
Shoulda coulda woulda...For all we know DelPotro might be the next world # 1...

Don't get me wrong, I'm a Federer fan, but Nadal is still in his peak/prime (Even with the injuries) and Federer is long past his prime IMO. Federer can still win events because of his experience, mental strength, talent and movement, but Nadal is the more consistent player today, the faster one, and the more motivated one.

BallzofSkill
08-11-2009, 12:50 PM
free speech is overrated sometimes.

Tiberius
08-11-2009, 12:54 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'm a Federer fan, but Nadal is still in his peak/prime (Even with the injuries) and Federer is long past his prime IMO. Federer can still win events because of his experience, mental strength, talent and movement, but Nadal is the more consistent player today, the faster one, and the more motivated one.

Yeah surely this won't be another long stretch of weeks at # 1 for Federer...but its still unclear as to who will claim his spot...If Nadal is exaggerating his injury then yes he will and if not then Murray or even DelPo could...I don't think Djok has the consistency to be # 1...

sureshs
08-11-2009, 12:55 PM
Isn't it obvious that a player with a huge winning record against the ATP #1 would be the best player in the world?

bruce38
08-11-2009, 12:56 PM
Nadal hasn't beaten Fed since back problems and mono. He won't again, Fed is just a superior player in all regards. Case closed.

BallzofSkill
08-11-2009, 12:56 PM
someone remember this thread next time fleming says something flamingly stupid about nadal an watch all the *******s in this thread go 'what the heck does peter fleming know'

All-rounder
08-11-2009, 12:57 PM
someone remember this thread next time fleming says something flamingly stupid about nadal an watch all the *******s in this thread go 'what the heck does peter fleming know'
lol :) true

sureshs
08-11-2009, 01:08 PM
Nadal hasn't beaten Fed since back problems and mono. He won't again, Fed is just a superior player in all regards. Case closed.

Yes I know Fed played 5 sets in Wimbledon losing to Rafa because of mono and bad back

jones101
08-11-2009, 01:14 PM
lol 10 char. :)

What does 10 char mean?

bruce38
08-11-2009, 01:14 PM
Yes I know Fed played 5 sets in Wimbledon losing to Rafa because of mono and bad back

Finally, someone gets it. Thanks.

JRstriker12
08-11-2009, 01:18 PM
What does 10 char mean?

IT's a filler. Posts need to be 10 characters long.

Try just posting LOL and the system won't let you post.

dragonfire
08-11-2009, 02:29 PM
no one can prove anything - fleming is a fool

ninman
08-11-2009, 02:34 PM
The number one player in the world is the best player in the world. If you are injured you can't be the best, end of story.

hankash
08-11-2009, 02:36 PM
^^Right on. Part of being the best is being able to stay healthy and perform. You don't see anyone calling Ken Griffey Jr the best baseball player of all time, do you?

hankash
08-11-2009, 02:39 PM
Also what if Rafa ends his career with say 12 Grand Slams and a losing record to an up and comer (let's just use Djokovic for now); would that mean Djokovic is better than Rafa? I think not.

Nadalfan89
08-11-2009, 02:40 PM
^^Right on. Part of being the best is being able to stay healthy and perform. You don't see anyone calling Ken Griffey Jr the best baseball player of all time, do you?

Alright fine. Federer is the best unless Nadal is healthy; in which case Nadal is obviuously the best.

veritech
08-11-2009, 02:43 PM
Alright fine. Federer is the best unless Nadal is healthy; in which case Nadal is obviuously the best.

but nadal hasn't been 100% and still isn't 100% and doesn't anticipate being 100%, therefore federer is the best... right?

Talker
08-11-2009, 02:43 PM
If Nadal was better he would show up in more GS finals, even last year he didn't do this.

NamRanger
08-11-2009, 02:48 PM
Alright fine. Federer is the best unless Nadal is healthy; in which case Nadal is obviuously the best.


It doesn't matter, because according to Nadal fans he is never 100% healthy, so I guess Federer is #1 then right?

Chopin
08-11-2009, 07:40 PM
Injuries are part of the game though. Nadal might prove to be an injury-prone player. That's due to his style of play and his schedule. You can't say, "oh if Nadal is in perfect form, he's the best" and expect people to accept that as an excuse always. Nadal is in the form that his game and technique allows him to be in. Nothing more, nothing less. And if that means he's NOT the bset--so be it.

Serve_Ace
08-11-2009, 08:30 PM
Darren Cahill all over again.

goyeji
08-11-2009, 08:51 PM
What is this discussion about? Nadal is the best player in the world. Deal with it.

veritech
08-11-2009, 08:54 PM
What is this discussion about? Nadal is the best player in the world. Deal with it.

sorry, if he was he would be no. 1.

rafan
08-11-2009, 08:58 PM
Peter Fleming is a genius.

We should all respect him.

Love your cat is that yours?

FedFan_2009
08-11-2009, 09:06 PM
Another moronic thread by Cesc Fabregas - what an assclown!!!

Turning Pro
08-12-2009, 12:55 AM
Also what if Rafa ends his career with say 12 Grand Slams and a losing record to an up and comer (let's just use Djokovic for now); would that mean Djokovic is better than Rafa? I think not.

well if djoker wins 10 or near nadals slams count, you may have a point. big difference

P_Agony
08-12-2009, 01:02 AM
What is this discussion about? Nadal is the best player in the world. Deal with it.

Really? Isn't Djokovic the best player in the world? Along with Tipsy 2nd, Jankovic 3rd and Ivanovic 4th? :confused:

maximo
08-12-2009, 01:07 AM
Another moronic thread by Cesc Fabregas - what an assclown!!!

Oh, the irony

Cesc is one of the best posters on these boards.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 01:35 AM
What is this discussion about? Nadal is the best player in the world. Deal with it.
Thats really ignorant, not everyone shares ur opinion and some ppl are a lot more objective than you are, deal with it.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 01:36 AM
Oh, the irony

Cesc is one of the best posters on these boards.
10 000 USD question...could that be because you both hate Fed??...ding ding ding that IS correct!

maximo
08-12-2009, 01:42 AM
10 000 USD question...could that be because you both hate Fed??...ding ding ding that IS correct!

He speaks the truth. Simple.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 01:44 AM
He speaks the truth. Simple.
Listen my dear English tea-drinker:), the TRUTH is more objective than anything.
David Beckham told the truth about his affair with Rebecca Loos, that wasnt the truth, thats what he wanted everyone to believe.

maximo
08-12-2009, 01:47 AM
Listen my dear English tea-drinker:), the TRUTH is more objective than anything.
David Beckham told the truth about his affair with Rebecca Loos, that wasnt the truth, thats what he wanted everyone to believe.

Posters like NamRanger (LOL), vtmike, FedFan_2009, P Agony are anything but subjective.

Batz, Cesc, Clyde, Norbac, CHB, Spider and Peter are all great posters. Also forgot to include some of the Nadal and Djokovic fans.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 01:51 AM
Posters like NamRanger (LOL), vtmike, P Agony are anything but subjective.

Batz, Cesc, Clyde, Norbac, CHB, Spider and Peter are all great posters. Also forgot to include some of the Nadal and Djokovic fans.
So what you are saying is that the Murray-fans and Nadal-fans are much closer to the truth than the Fed-fans? HOW can that be??? I mean...Roger Federer is the most succesful tennisplayer in history, how can you find so many flaws on him and bash him??? Some of the things he has done will not be repeated for another 40-50 years.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 01:52 AM
Posters like NamRanger (LOL), vtmike, FedFan_2009, P Agony are anything but subjective.

Batz, Cesc, Clyde, Norbac, CHB, Spider and Peter are all great posters. Also forgot to include some of the Nadal and Djokovic fans.
The Murray and Nadal- fans doesnt recognize pure greatness imo

maximo
08-12-2009, 02:04 AM
The Murray and Nadal- fans doesnt recognize pure greatness imo

haha!

The Fed fans never give any credit to other players.

Especially if Federer loses to one of them, ie. Nadal, Murray and Djokovic. Never ever any credit where it's due. Instead, always "choke" or "mono" and even "bad back". It's very silly indeed.

And to add to that you always bash Murray whenever possible. As we saw yesterday in the WTA thread where i was speaking about Stosur. Hypocrite, much?

Deuce
08-12-2009, 02:06 AM
Agree, that sums it up. As a lot off pll has said when they were asked who are the best doubles-pair in the world?? Johnny Mac and anyone.
^ You're actually wrong.
But the irony is in HOW you're wrong: It was actually Fleming himself who said that the best doubles team in the world was John McEnroe and anyone.

Apart from that, this thread has been incredibly immature. In addition to the usual 'my favourite player is better than your favourite player' nonsense, there have been many posts critical of Fleming - when all he did was state his perspective.
And I'm sure that the people crapping on Fleming would have no idea of who he is if it weren't for some people divulging it in this thread.

Personally, I don't agree with Fleming's assessment. But I'm not going to call him childish names because of it. He's been around tennis for a long time, and I'm sure that his perspective is a well-founded one.
Unlike the majority of 'opinions' in this thread.

lawrence
08-12-2009, 02:21 AM
hey cesc, the guy in your avatar said "In my book, he's the greatest of all time." when asked about federer

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 02:38 AM
^ You're actually wrong.
But the irony is in HOW you're wrong: It was actually Fleming himself who said that the best doubles team in the world was John McEnroe and anyone.

Apart from that, this thread has been incredibly immature. In addition to the usual 'my favourite player is better than your favourite player' nonsense, there have been many posts critical of Fleming - when all he did was state his perspective.
And I'm sure that the people crapping on Fleming would have no idea of who he is if it weren't for some people divulging it in this thread.

Personally, I don't agree with Fleming's assessment. But I'm not going to call him childish names because of it. He's been around tennis for a long time, and I'm sure that his perspective is a well-founded one.
Unlike the majority of 'opinions' in this thread.

Im sure Fleming started it, and many used it.
However, i agree that there are many immature posts in this thread, that happens sometimes in the heat of the moment, who are you to judge that? Who are you?
What was the purpose of his statement??

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 02:39 AM
haha!

The Fed fans never give any credit to other players.

Especially if Federer loses to one of them, ie. Nadal, Murray and Djokovic. Never ever any credit where it's due. Instead, always "choke" or "mono" and even "bad back". It's very silly indeed.

And to add to that you always bash Murray whenever possible. As we saw yesterday in the WTA thread where i was speaking about Stosur. Hypocrite, much?
I can give credit for Murray beating Fed, sure, he has nice gameplan, so does Nadal, when Djokovic beats Fed however i THINK IT IS because Roger chokes, never in Slams though. And i really think someone with 15 slams and counting deserves a hell of a lot of credit, dont u agree?

maximo
08-12-2009, 02:43 AM
I can give credit for Murray beating Fed, sure, he has nice gameplan, so does Nadal, when Djokovic beats Fed however i THINK IT IS because Roger chokes, never in Slams though. And i really think someone with 15 slams and counting deserves a hell of a lot of credit, dont u agree?

Why did Roger lose to Djokovic at the AO? Mono? LOL!

He gets enough credit, if you can't see that then you are blind.

Look around, never any threads bashing Federer. Only threads complementing him.

Wolland
08-12-2009, 03:01 AM
I can give credit for Murray beating Fed, sure, he has nice gameplan, so does Nadal, when Djokovic beats Fed however i THINK IT IS because Roger chokes, never in Slams though. And i really think someone with 15 slams and counting deserves a hell of a lot of credit, dont u agree?

Whenever Djokovic beat Roger, it was because he was better on the day. I think a lot of people underrestimate Novak and his achievements.

And what a silly thing to say about Rafa still being number one. Roger is a reigning king at the moment, and no-one can deny it. I mean, he's holding 3 grand slams right now, how could he not be the best player in the world.

Wolland
08-12-2009, 03:04 AM
Why did Roger lose to Djokovic at the AO? Mono? LOL!

He gets enough credit, if you can't see that then you are blind.

Look around, never any threads bashing Federer. Only threads complementing him.

I agree with everything you said. BTW, I never believed Roger about that nucleosis thing. He always looked fit to me, he never seemed exhausted or tired.

Fedfan1234
08-12-2009, 03:16 AM
Rafa was the best player of 2008, but not of 2009,2007,2006,2005,2004,2003.
The whole statement he is still the best is nonsense because he wasn't here to prove it. These kind of statements are unfair to other players. We will have to see if he can become the best player of 2010, but personally I am not so sure he will be.
At the AO Nadal did not have to play any of these players: Roddick, Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro Remember his draw?
Rochus, Karanusic, Haas, Gonzalez, Simon,Verdasco, Federer.
Not bad players, but the best players were in the bottom half AO QF
Del Potro vs Federer
Roddick vs Djokovic
Murray was ofcourse eliminated in an earlier round, so maybe we should not count him as he would have faced Nadal if he had won.
Although I am very impressed with Nadal's performance at the AO and Wimbledon but you do have to wonder what if he has to play a good Roddick on grass and what if he had to play a good Roddick, Djokovic, Murray or even Del Potro on HC. Hope to see this next year.

rwn
08-12-2009, 03:17 AM
Isn't it obvious that a player with a huge winning record against the ATP #1 would be the best player in the world?

Exactly. Krajicek is the greatest.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:17 AM
Why did Roger lose to Djokovic at the AO? Mono? LOL!

He gets enough credit, if you can't see that then you are blind.

Look around, never any threads bashing Federer. Only threads complementing him.
Well mono sure as hell didnt make him better, even you have to agree with that.
You can always speculate on how much it affected him, id say that he lost 10-15% of his speed and endurance during AO 08, that was enough to lose, you think Djokovic would have won 3-0 if Fed was healthy? In a slam? Not likely.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:19 AM
Whenever Djokovic beat Roger, it was because he was better on the day. I think a lot of people underrestimate Novak and his achievements.

And what a silly thing to say about Rafa still being number one. Roger is a reigning king at the moment, and no-one can deny it. I mean, he's holding 3 grand slams right now, how could he not be the best player in the world.
Look at this year in Monte Carlo and in Miami, are u saying that is not choking??? Then what is?!
Novak imo has a hell of a lot to proove before i consider him a top-player, losing to Tommy Haas 2 times in a row once in a final and the other in a slam is not OK if you want ppl to consider you a top-player.

Fedfan1234
08-12-2009, 03:21 AM
Exactly. Krajicek is the greatest
I can live with that:D

Wolland
08-12-2009, 03:22 AM
Funny thing is that he mentioned nucleosis months after the Aussie open. At the time it seemed to me like an attempt to discredit Djokovic.

maximo
08-12-2009, 03:23 AM
Well mono sure as hell didnt make him better, even you have to agree with that.
You can always speculate on how much it affected him, id say that he lost 10-15% of his speed and endurance during AO 08, that was enough to lose, you think Djokovic would have won 3-0 if Fed was healthy? In a slam? Not likely.

Here we go, discredit Djokovic.

Djokovic was on fire at the AO. Thus the reason why he won. Federer was blasting Forehands down the lines and backhands cross court. He was FINE. Even another Federer fan like yourself has the decency to admit that Djokovic won fair and square.

maximo
08-12-2009, 03:24 AM
Funny thing is that he mentioned nucleosis months after the Aussie open. At the time it seemed to me like an attempt to discredit Djokovic.

I know.

TheMagicianOfPrecision just can't handle the truth.

rwn
08-12-2009, 03:25 AM
Here we go, discredit Djokovic.

Djokovic was on fire at the AO. Thus the reason why he won. Federer was blasting Forehands down the lines and backhands cross court. He was FINE. Even another Federer fan like yourself has the decency to admit that Djokovic won fair and square.

Nadal was running like a rabbit at RG. He was fine. Unfortunately no Nadal fan has ever been decent. :)

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:26 AM
Here we go, discredit Djokovic.

Djokovic was on fire at the AO. Thus the reason why he won. Federer was blasting Forehands down the lines and backhands cross court. He was FINE. Even another Federer fan like yourself has the decency to admit that Djokovic won fair and square.
He was not fine, i dont care what other Fed-fans say, im man enough to stand by my opinion. Jim Courier (who SHOULD KNOW a ting or two about tennis) repeatedly said "-whats wrong with Fed?" "-He looks tired and isnt moving as well as he use to do".

Wolland
08-12-2009, 03:27 AM
Look at this year in Monte Carlo and in Miami, are u saying that is not choking??? Then what is?!
Novak imo has a hell of a lot to proove before i consider him a top-player, losing to Tommy Haas 2 times in a row once in a final and the other in a slam is not OK if you want ppl to consider you a top-player.

You mean in Rome, not in Monte Carlo. And Haas played unbelievably well. He was even close to beating Roger at Roland Garros. If he had won that break point, Haas would have definitely gone through. And Novak is a top athlete and a top tennis player. He won Aussie Open, Season-ending championships, Indian Wells and Miami. This is one hell of a proof that he's a top player. What more do you want?

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:27 AM
Nadal was running like a rabbit at RG. He was fine. Unfortunately no Nadal fan has ever been decent. :)
Absolutely, he was running like ive never seen him run.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:28 AM
You mean in Rome, not in Monte Carlo. And Haas played unbelievably well. He was even close to beating Roger at Roland Garros. If he had won that break point, Haas would have definitely gone through. And Novak is a top athlete and a top tennis player. He won Aussie Open, Season-ending championships, Indian Wells and Miami. This is one hell of a proof that he's a top player. What more do you want?

"Ill tell you what i want what i really really want"...C O N S I S T E N C Y !

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:30 AM
By the end of the year top 5 is gonna look like this imo: 1.Federer
2. Murray 3. Nadal 4. Del Po 5. Djokovic

maximo
08-12-2009, 03:30 AM
He was not fine, i dont care what other Fed-fans say, im man enough to stand by my opinion. Jim Courier (who SHOULD KNOW a ting or two about tennis) repeatedly said "-whats wrong with Fed?" "-He looks tired and isnt moving as well as he use to do".

Watch the second point of the match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9azwAQ3Nc

Now, DID Federer not just hit an amazing return!?:oops:

You're deluding yourself from the truth.

He was serving well, he was hiting forehands like nobody.

Wolland
08-12-2009, 03:31 AM
Nadal was running like a rabbit at RG. He was fine. Unfortunately no Nadal fan has ever been decent. :)

I thought it was just a slow start for Nadal, but then again, when I saw him play that first round match, he did seem burnt out.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:33 AM
Watch the second point of the match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ9azwAQ3Nc

Now, DID Federer not just hit an amazing return!?:oops:

You're deluding yourself from the truth.

He was serving well, he was hiting forehands like nobody.
Are you serious?? Are you basing Feds performance on 1 return??:shock:

jevonclyde
08-12-2009, 03:34 AM
Fleming


10 chars

Always wondered, how people get up to that many posts :) I sure have long way to go...

maximo
08-12-2009, 03:34 AM
Are you serious?? Are you basing Feds performance on 1 return??:shock:

Watch the whole vid clever!

Just pointing out since it was only the second point of the whole match.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:35 AM
Watch the second point of the match.

Thats what i did...there are more fun clips to watch

Wolland
08-12-2009, 03:36 AM
By the end of the year top 5 is gonna look like this imo: 1.Federer
2. Murray 3. Nadal 4. Del Po 5. Djokovic

Don't think so, Djokovic will remain at number 4 spot. And as for number 3, we shall see. Everything will be more clear after this tournament. Djokovic, Nadal, Federer and Murray didn't play for some time, and it is hard to say anything just based on their first matches.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:41 AM
Don't think so, Djokovic will remain at number 4 spot. And as for number 3, we shall see. Everything will be more clear after this tournament. Djokovic, Nadal, Federer and Murray didn't play for some time, and it is hard to say anything just based on their first matches.
I wasnt looking for your approval, i stated my opinion, u r entitled to yours, thats what i think its gonna look like.

maximo
08-12-2009, 03:41 AM
there are more fun clips to watch

You're clearly in denial, no need for me to talk to you anymore regarding this.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:42 AM
You're clearly in denial, no need for me to talk to you anymore regarding this.
Im being realistic.

rwn
08-12-2009, 03:43 AM
I thought it was just a slow start for Nadal, but then again, when I saw him play that first round match, he did seem burnt out.

Itīs funny how people always make these kind of excuses for Nadal. I donīt buy any of them.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:46 AM
Itīs funny how people always make these kind of excuses for Nadal. I donīt buy any of them.
Then i consider you to be a very inteligent man!

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:47 AM
You're clearly in denial, no need for me to talk to you anymore regarding this.
We should sit next to eachother at the YEC in o2 arena, lol:)

Wolland
08-12-2009, 03:48 AM
I wasnt looking for your approval, i stated my opinion, u r entitled to yours, thats what i think its gonna look like.

I didn't think you were asking for my approval. You're entitled to your opinion, and I am to mine. We have to agree to disagree. And I just said what my predictions are.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 03:49 AM
I didn't think you were asking for my approval. You're entitled to your opinion, and I am to mine. We have to agree to disagree. And I just said what my predictions are.
Yes, we are gonna have to wait and see.

Wolland
08-12-2009, 03:51 AM
Itīs funny how people always make these kind of excuses for Nadal. I donīt buy any of them.

I'm not making any excuses. I'm not even a big fan. I just thought it was obvious that something was wrong with Nadal. He even lost an exhibition match prior to the French Open to a complete outsider. And he hasn't played since losing to Soderling. I'm just being objective, that's all.

DarthMaul
08-12-2009, 04:12 AM
haha!

The Fed fans never give any credit to other players.

Especially if Federer loses to one of them, ie. Nadal, Murray and Djokovic. Never ever any credit where it's due. Instead, always "choke" or "mono" and even "bad back". It's very silly indeed.

And to add to that you always bash Murray whenever possible. As we saw yesterday in the WTA thread where i was speaking about Stosur. Hypocrite, much?

Did you ever give credit to Federer after beating Murray or Nadal?

DarthMaul
08-12-2009, 04:12 AM
I'm not making any excuses. I'm not even a big fan. I just thought it was obvious that something was wrong with Nadal. He even lost an exhibition match prior to the French Open to a complete outsider. And he hasn't played since losing to Soderling. I'm just being objective, that's all.

I 100% agree with your signature! :)

Wolland
08-12-2009, 04:14 AM
I 100% agree with your signature! :)

Well thank you. :)

rwn
08-12-2009, 07:34 AM
I'm not making any excuses. I'm not even a big fan. I just thought it was obvious that something was wrong with Nadal. He even lost an exhibition match prior to the French Open to a complete outsider. And he hasn't played since losing to Soderling. I'm just being objective, that's all.

No, youīre not.

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 07:40 AM
Peter Fleming also said Gasquet has is more naturally talented than Federer. Come on folks, I wouldn't believe everything he says.

goyeji
08-12-2009, 07:44 AM
Really? Isn't Djokovic the best player in the world? Along with Tipsy 2nd, Jankovic 3rd and Ivanovic 4th? :confused:

Yes, that is what Fleming stated in the OP - did you miss it by chance? I don't remember commenting on Jankovic or Ivanovic, but I believe they are both solid No. 1 players on the WTA tour (you know what that is, don't you). Djokovic so far has been a very solid No.2/3 player. If he trains and tries his best, he could overtake the top spot from Nadal. Tipsarevic should be in the top 10 soon, a vastly underrated player.

I am sure in your world Dudi Sela is the No. 1 player. Hey, he won a set in an ATP match yesterday - did you celebrate?:lol:

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 07:46 AM
Yes, that is what Fleming stated in the OP - did you miss it by chance? I don't remember commenting on Jankovic or Ivanovic, but I believe they are both solid No. 1 players on the WTA tour (you know what that is, don't you). Djokovic so far has been a very solid No.2/3 player. If he trains and tries his best, he could overtake the top spot from Nadal. Tipsarevic should be in the top 10 soon, a vastly underrated player.

I am sure in your world Dudi Sela is the No. 1 player. Hey, he won a set in an ATP match yesterday - did you celebrate?:lol:


I assume you are being very careful not to let out you are gj011. I think I might just try and draw you out of your little troll cave.

goyeji
08-12-2009, 07:47 AM
Absolutely, he was running like ive never seen him run.

I thought you promised the other day that you would stop posting lies about that match. It was proven to you clearly that Nadal was gravely injured and hardly moved at all.

drwood
08-12-2009, 07:47 AM
Roger Federer is the most succesful tennisplayer in history, how can you find so many flaws on him and bash him??? Some of the things he has done will not be repeated for another 40-50 years.

if ever...

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 07:50 AM
I thought you promised the other day that you would stop posting lies about that match. It was proven to you clearly that Nadal was gravely injured and hardly moved at all.
Or as you said,limping and playing 25% of his ability:):twisted:

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 07:50 AM
I thought you promised the other day that you would stop posting lies about that match. It was proven to you clearly that Nadal was gravely injured and hardly moved at all.

Gravely injured? So he was on the verge of dying?

Ah, what a fighter.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 07:50 AM
if ever...
If ever, thats right.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 07:51 AM
Gravely injured? So he was on the verge of dying?

Ah, what a fighter.
Oh yes!! U didnt know that?? He told Uncle T during the whole match "im dying,no?"

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 08:00 AM
How did you come up with that? Is it some fantasy you have?

Yes, in the world where gravely injured means more than a two month layoff. :lol:

drakulie
08-12-2009, 08:21 AM
I thought you promised the other day that you would stop posting lies about that match. It was proven to you clearly that Nadal was gravely injured and hardly moved at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2jFoEkrMg

"hardly moved at all"??

Perhaps a visit to the eye doctor would help your debating skills.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 08:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2jFoEkrMg

"hardly moved at all"??

Perhaps a visit to the eye doctor would help your debating skills.
According to that guy Nadal was limping and playing 25% of his ability.

drakulie
08-12-2009, 08:35 AM
According to that guy Nadal was limping and playing 25% of his ability.

LOL. Yeah, like I've said before, sometimes I don't know if they are referring to, Nadal, or Serena Williams (being that she has also said she played at about 6% after a loss).

Cyan
08-12-2009, 08:36 AM
The Fed fans never give any credit to other players.

Especially if Federer loses to one of them, ie. Nadal, Murray and Djokovic. Never ever any credit where it's due. Instead, always "choke" or "mono" and even "bad back". It's very silly indeed.



And that is pathetic.

goyeji
08-12-2009, 08:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_2jFoEkrMg

"hardly moved at all"??

Perhaps a visit to the eye doctor would help your debating skills.

This has been discussed already. No need to rehash. Nadal sustained a severe knee injury in the epic battle against Djokovic in Madrid final and missed RG and W because of that. Period.

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 08:38 AM
This has been discussed already. No need to rehash. Nadal sustained a severe knee injury in the epic battle against Djokovic in Madrid final and missed RG and W because of that. Period.



According to Nadal's own personal doctor, it is not a severe knee injury. It was "the same tendinitis he has been dealing with for 4 years."

goyeji
08-12-2009, 08:40 AM
According to Nadal's own personal doctor, it is not a severe knee injury. It was "the same tendinitis he has been dealing with for 4 years."

A severe knee injury is a severe knee injury. "Rafa is still the best player in the world". End of discussion.

zagor
08-12-2009, 08:40 AM
This has been discussed already. No need to rehash. Nadal sustained a severe knee injury in the epic battle against Djokovic in Madrid final and missed RG and W because of that. Period.

But if Nadal missed RG who was that then on court who looked like Nadal and gave Hewitt the worst beatdown of his career?

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 08:43 AM
According to Nadal's own personal doctor, it is not a severe knee injury. It was "the same tendinitis he has been dealing with for 4 years."

So, why was Djokovic able to give Nadal a good fight in Rome and Madrid?

Some people here said it was only because Nadal was injured, and therefore, conclusion Djokovic is overrated on clay, which was aptly demonstrated when he got cleaned out by Kohlschreiber.

All-rounder
08-12-2009, 09:22 AM
A severe knee injury is a severe knee injury. "Rafa is still the best player in the world". End of discussion.
Then why is he number 2 soon to be number 3 then?

FD3S
08-12-2009, 09:27 AM
A severe knee injury is a severe knee injury. "Rafa is still the best player in the world". End of discussion.

That may be true, but as a result of that knee injury he's no longer the best player in the world. Technicality or not (I don't think it it, b/c if you play every damn tourney under the sun without regard for your health, you're eventually gonna pay for it) that's reality.

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 10:07 AM
Djokovic is good on clay and played very well at the clay masters leading up to FO but the problem is that he performed very badly at the most important clay tourney-FO which casts a big shadow on his otherwise very good clay season.

I think Nadal played below his usual clay level in Madrid during the whole tourney(he struggled in almost every match),he never found his best tennis there.Djokovic,Verdasco and Fed all had their chances against him but only Fed took them and won(Djokovic really had tons of chances but didn't capitalize).

I think Novak overall has the game to trouble Nadal(big serve,very good return of serve,great BH,good movement)but he has to work on his fitness and mental toughness(Nadal played great on 3 MPs he faced against Novak in Madrid but Novak helped him by putting foot off the pedal and not being agressive like he was the whole match giving Nadal the control on those points)

That's all true. I was asking him because on another thread he was saying that Djokovic is badly overrated on clay and had easy draws until his 2 RG semis. I'm interested whether he believes that Djokovic is even better than Roddick on clay.

Djokovic's problem is that he has a game for slow courts, but not the conditioning. I don't see him lasting 5 sets on clay against any serious opposition (Top 30 perhaps).

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 10:12 AM
That's all true. I was asking him because on another thread he was saying that Djokovic is badly overrated on clay and had easy draws until his 2 RG semis. I'm interested whether he believes that Djokovic is even better than Roddick on clay.

Djokovic's problem is that he has a game for slow courts, but not the conditioning. I don't see him lasting 5 sets on clay against any serious opposition (Top 30 perhaps).



He does well in best of 3 sets on clay, but when it really matters he fails the test, which he so obviously did this year.

thejoe
08-12-2009, 10:12 AM
No, he is not the best player in the world.

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 10:12 AM
Djokovic is indisputably top 3 in the world on clay, at the very least that can be established. If he gets over his Nadal complex, with Fed aging, I think he can win RG someday. I still find it asinine that some people are touting Del Potro as a future FO champion (as per "predict GS winners in the next few years") but not Djokovic.

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 10:14 AM
Djokovic is indisputably top 3 in the world on clay, at the very least that can be established. If he gets over his Nadal complex, with Fed aging, I think he can win RG someday. I still find it asinine that some people are touting Del Potro as a future FO champion (as per "predict GS winners in the next few years") but not Djokovic.



Djokovic should have made a move at the FO where Federer was not playing that well at all honestly. In fact, people forget Djokovic is where generally where most players peak currently, yet he is slumping. Del Potro is only 20, and should be hitting his in about a year or two. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Del Potro could end up surpassing Djokovic.

maximo
08-12-2009, 10:16 AM
Racism that was of pure ignorance. It would be the equivalent of me associating you with Ratko Mladic.

Yes, the mess you made in the other thread with your 'Vietnamese' connection was ignorance at its best!

Rippy
08-12-2009, 10:16 AM
This has been discussed already. No need to rehash. Nadal sustained a severe knee injury in the epic battle against Djokovic in Madrid final and missed RG and W because of that. Period.

Nadal didn't miss RG.

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 10:17 AM
Yes, the mess you made in the other thread with your 'Vietnamese' connection was ignorance at its best!



Well now, it appears that you are the one following me, hello there little puppy. Need another bone there?

VivalaVida
08-12-2009, 10:19 AM
Good for Fleming. Too bad Nadal isnt the best player in the world.

maximo
08-12-2009, 10:21 AM
Well now, it appears that you are the one following me, hello there little puppy. Need another bone there?

You were the one stalking me and Clydey after are happy talk regarding that mess.

Hypocrisy at its finest!

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 10:22 AM
Djokovic should have made a move at the FO where Federer was not playing that well at all honestly. In fact, people forget Djokovic is where generally where most players peak currently, yet he is slumping. Del Potro is only 20, and should be hitting his in about a year or two. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Del Potro could end up surpassing Djokovic.

It's not totally out of the question, but some posters are contending that Del Potro is pretty much a shoo-in. Djokovic is a proven clay talent whereas Del Potro isn't quite there yet.

Regarding his slam performances---it's easier said than done, but with improved fitness I think Djokovic will at least make a final or two at RG, he's already made two Semi's so it won't take that much of a push. I only hope he improves within the window of opportunity---before it's too late, or close to that. It's like with Agassi, always had the game but lacked the fitness (in his youth), until he made that push. Luckily it wasn't too late for him.

And JMDP is only 16 months older.

Rabbit
08-12-2009, 10:23 AM
haha!

The Fed fans never give any credit to other players.

Especially if Federer loses to one of them, ie. Nadal, Murray and Djokovic. Never ever any credit where it's due. Instead, always "choke" or "mono" and even "bad back". It's very silly indeed.


Well, I can see how they would. How else do you explain how a player who has the following resume loses?

1. played in 20 of the last 25 (80%) major finals played since 2003
2. won 15 of the 20 (75%) he played in
3. won $49M in prize money
4. won 60 career titles
5. won 60/82 (73%) finals he played in
6. won more major titles than anyone in history
7. finished each year since 2004 ranked #1
8. been the most dominant player over an extended period of time 1968
9. won 3/4 majors in 2004, 2006, and 2007 (has a chance in 2009)
10. won all 4 majors

It is kinda tough to refute those results.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Good for Fleming. Too bad Nadal isnt the best player in the world.
You are a great poster, so calm, reasonable, never gets to carried away, i admire that.

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 10:26 AM
And JMDP is only 16 months older.

You mean younger?

But, it's true about DelPo. He took Fed to 5 sets and had a great chance to win. I don't think Djokovic would last 5 sets on slow clay against Fed. Maybe if he could beat him in 3 or 4, but definitely not in 5.

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 10:33 AM
You mean younger?

But, it's true about DelPo. He took Fed to 5 sets and had a great chance to win. I don't think Djokovic would last 5 sets on slow clay against Fed. Maybe if he could beat him in 3 or 4, but definitely not in 5.

yeah, my mistake.

he might not hang with federer if it goes to five---but again, with fed slipping, i'd say things are looking up for novak. besides, his 5-set record at rg since '06 is 3-0, and that includes a win over a gonzo, an excellent claycourter.

zagor
08-12-2009, 10:35 AM
That's all true. I was asking him because on another thread he was saying that Djokovic is badly overrated on clay and had easy draws until his 2 RG semis. I'm interested whether he believes that Djokovic is even better than Roddick on clay.

Djokovic's problem is that he has a game for slow courts, but not the conditioning. I don't see him lasting 5 sets on clay against any serious opposition (Top 30 perhaps).

Well in all honesty I do think that looking objectively Novak's FO draws 2007 and 2008 you have to say that up until SF they were relatively easy,the highest ranked player he beat there was Mathieu at #19,next highest was #51,he only beat one top 20 player at the FO in 2007 and 2008 combined.

That's not a knock on Novak,every top player(Fed,Roddick,Nadal,Murray etc.) had his fair share of both hard and easy draws.For example up until SF Novak's USO draw last year was tough while Fed's was easy(he played qualifier in QF,although Muller has some talent and was a promising before).

I think Novak's FO draw in 2006 was harder than his 2007/2008 draws.That's the first time he made his breakthrough at slams(his first QF),he beat Gonzo,Haas and Monfils in a row(which was pretty impressive,especially at that time) before going down to Nadal.

I agree that Novak has to work on his fitness.Also NamRanger is right when he says that Novak is stagnating while a guy like Delpo is getting better every week,that's reality,Novak has to wake up or other guys will pass him by,that's the way it is in proffesional sport.

dadozen
08-12-2009, 10:41 AM
I was going to make a funny post but I lost the will to do so after reading half of the posts...

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 10:48 AM
Well in all honesty I do think that looking objectively Novak's FO draws 2007 and 2008 you have to say that up until SF they were relatively easy,the highest ranked player he beat there was Mathieu at #19,next highest was #51,he only beat one top 20 player at the FO in 2007 and 2008 combined.


I agree about that. Last year was easy (Gulbis hehe). And DelPo would have beaten Djokovic in his form against Fed.

Still, No.3 on clay seems objective for Joker.

zagor
08-12-2009, 10:55 AM
I agree about that. Last year was easy (Gulbis hehe). And DelPo would have beaten Djokovic in his form against Fed.

Still, No.3 on clay seems objective for Joker.

Yes he's definitely #3 on clay,was #2 this year before FO but he really underperormed there as we all know.

He and Fed were also close for #2 on clay last year,Fed had a FO final and a win against Novak on clay while Novak had Rome title and FO SF in which he gave Nadal the toughest match at the FO last year(he even had a SP while everyone else was getting bageled left and right).

VivalaVida
08-12-2009, 11:01 AM
You are a great poster, so calm, reasonable, never gets to carried away, i admire that.
Thank You, Magician. I think you are a great poster as well with excellent knowledge of the sport. :D

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 11:08 AM
Thank You, Magician. I think you are a great poster as well with excellent knowledge of the sport.

I learned from you and serendipitous, now whenever I get upset I post pictures like these:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=49071&dateline=1247165251http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=49071&dateline=1247165251
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=49071&dateline=1247165251http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=49071&dateline=1247165251

VivalaVida
08-12-2009, 11:13 AM
LOL. Nice. It is a total art.

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=55537&dateline=1249939861http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=55537&dateline=1249939861http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=55537&dateline=1249939861http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=55537&dateline=1249939861

Hello, CountryHillbilly. How are you today?

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 11:15 AM
LOL. Nice. It is a total art.

Hello, CountryHillbilly. How are you today?

My guys won today so far. I'm doing fine.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 11:18 AM
Thank You, Magician. I think you are a great poster as well with excellent knowledge of the sport. :D
Well thank you:)

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 11:21 AM
I'm an urban hillbilly. I'm also a walking contradiction.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 11:23 AM
I'm an urban hillbilly. I'm also a walking contradiction.
No you are not, you are a lucky *******:) Living in Vancouver, what i would do to be there watching the olympic icehockey...:-|

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 11:23 AM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 11:27 AM
No you are not, you are a lucky *******:) Living in Vancouver, what i would do to be there watching the olympic icehockey...:-|

Well I actually live in Vicotoria, but close enough (I used to live in Vancouver.) It's maybe 20 minutes by ferry, though.

Yeah lol, I was a hockey fan growing up, only so much hockey you can see in person in Vukovar. :lol: Only six months to go.

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 11:30 AM
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163

I wonder if I decide to change my sig, and five years later a poster is surfing through old threads, sees those images, wonders why somebody would post such "random" images, and suffers a brain cramp.

Ultimately fazed by his confusion, he embraces solipsism and goes crazy.

Makes you think, huh? [INSERT WINK]

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 11:34 AM
Well I actually live in Vicotoria, but close enough (I used to live in Vancouver.) It's maybe 20 minutes by ferry, though.

Yeah lol, I was a hockey fan growing up, only so much hockey you can see in person in Vukovar. :lol: Only six months to go.
Do u think the Swedes will defend their gold?? I think the Russians are extremely strong these days.

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 11:34 AM
I wonder if I decide to change my sig, and five years later a poster is surfing through old threads, sees those images, wonders why somebody would post such "random" images, and suffers a brain cramp.

Ultimately fazed by his confusion, he embraces solipsism and goes crazy.

Makes you think, huh? [INSERT WINK]

umm.....

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/image.php?u=58208&dateline=1249923163

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 11:39 AM
Do u think the Swedes will defend their gold?? I think the Russians are extremely strong these days.

Are the Sedin twins and Sundin participating? Their chances improve exponentially if they do.

Blinkism
08-12-2009, 11:41 AM
Do u think the Swedes will defend their gold?? I think the Russians are extremely strong these days.

Nice derailing of the thread, guys.

Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Malkin, Khabibulin, Kovalev, Bryzgalov, Varlamov, Federov, Morozov, Gonchar...

Do you need to ask, TheMagicianOfPrecision?... the Swedish team is getting older and Russia is getting more and more fresh talent all the time!

TheFifthSet
08-12-2009, 12:05 PM
Nice derailing of the thread, guys.

Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Malkin, Khabibulin, Kovalev, Bryzgalov, Varlamov, Federov, Morozov, Gonchar...

Do you need to ask, TheMagicianOfPrecision?... the Swedish team is getting older and Russia is getting more and more fresh talent all the time!


:(:(:(

My favourite retired player is Russian (Bure.)

:(

timnz
08-12-2009, 12:35 PM
Well, technically he isn't that far from the truth. A healthy Nadal is the best player in the world. Federer can't live with a healthy Nadal as testiment to Fed's peak years let alone now, and the last 3 consecutive GS finals between them have been the most brutal and damaging matches in GS history.

You mean 2 out of 3 of them Nadal won by a narrow margin.

goyeji
08-12-2009, 12:38 PM
Nice derailing of the thread, guys.

Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Malkin, Khabibulin, Kovalev, Bryzgalov, Varlamov, Federov, Morozov, Gonchar...

Do you need to ask, TheMagicianOfPrecision?... the Swedish team is getting older and Russia is getting more and more fresh talent all the time!

There is nothing left to derail here, they can derail all they want. The thread title says all. Period.

Serve_Ace
08-12-2009, 12:40 PM
Rafa? Who? Oh you mean the world number 2, my bad. Who's number 1 again?

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 12:42 PM
Are the Sedin twins and Sundin participating? Their chances improve exponentially if they do.
Yes they will, and Peter Forsberg (one of the best players the last 15 years) might join as well, and Hnak from Redwings.

Deuce
08-12-2009, 11:12 PM
Im sure Fleming started it, and many used it.
However, i agree that there are many immature posts in this thread, that happens sometimes in the heat of the moment, who are you to judge that? Who are you?
What was the purpose of his statement??
Who am I to judge that?
Are you serious?
You should go lock yourself in your safe, comfortable little 'politically correct' world, and not come out.

Immaturity and stupidity are not "heat of the moment" actions. Especially when they occur repeatedly.

Lotto
08-13-2009, 12:10 AM
Fleming, I agree with, even though I am a bit of a ******* and Roger is current No.1 in the world but to be honest, if Rafa wasn't injured I somehow don't see Roger there as no.1.




Well, technically he isn't that far from the truth. A healthy Nadal is the best player in the world. Federer can't live with a healthy Nadal as testiment to Fed's peak years let alone now, and the last 3 consecutive GS finals between them have been the most brutal and damaging matches in GS history.


This however is ridiculous......

Grass.....Peak Fed > Peak Nadal


Hardcourt....Peak Fed > Peak Nadal


Clay.....Peak Nadal > Peak Fed

lawrence
08-13-2009, 03:11 AM
you guys take peter flemings word over sampras ?

coming from cesc too, oh what joy

beernutz
08-13-2009, 07:41 AM
Peter Fleming also said Murray would win Wimbledon this year.
How did that prediction turn out?

DarthMaul
08-13-2009, 08:10 AM
@goyeji: It's interesting you are ending almost every post with "End of discussion" or "Period". You just can't stand dialogue!
In your opinion others have no right to have their opinion and you're the keeper of the absolute truth.
May I suggest you open your own forum and talk to yourself? You seem to resemble Sonic the Hedgehog when he was playing tennis with himself. Replace tennis shots with posts and that would be you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnqhByarKRM

Wolland
08-13-2009, 08:15 AM
Well I think that this is absurd. How can someone be the best if he doesn't play? Rankings never lie. Roger is rightful number one at the moment.

DarthMaul
08-13-2009, 08:17 AM
Well I think that this is absurd. How can someone be the best if he doesn't play? Rankings never lie. Roger is rightful number one at the moment.

He is the best no matter what!
End of discussion.
Period.

Serendipitous
08-13-2009, 08:19 AM
There is nothing left to derail here, they can derail all they want. The thread title says all. Period.

Hello! :grin:

backhand winner
08-13-2009, 08:30 AM
Rafa? Who? Oh you mean the world number 2, my bad. Who's number 1 again?
Who was number 1 before he got injured?

ninman
08-13-2009, 08:47 AM
Who was number 1 before he got injured?

What does that have to do with anything?

DarthMaul
08-13-2009, 09:20 AM
What does that have to do with anything?

Can't you see? Nadal is the best! Period! End of discussion!

DarthMaul
08-13-2009, 09:54 AM
Hello! :grin:

Hi! :)

Serendipitous
08-13-2009, 09:55 AM
Hi! :)

Howdy Mr. Maul.....:)

jamesblakefan#1
08-13-2009, 09:57 AM
Serendipitous!

Serendipitous
08-13-2009, 09:57 AM
Serendipitous!

How are you today, James?

jamesblakefan#1
08-13-2009, 10:01 AM
How are you today, James?

I'm great. Watching Nando-Roddick TB.

You?

Serendipitous
08-13-2009, 10:02 AM
I'm great. Watching Nando-Roddick TB.

You?

I'm fine......go Verdasco......:(:(

veroniquem
08-13-2009, 10:04 AM
Peter Fleming just said Nadal is the best player in the world. Intresting that a former tour player with many years of experience still feels Nadal is the best in the world.

Of course he is, that's why he beat the current best 13 times (more to come, that goes without saying).

jamesblakefan#1
08-13-2009, 10:05 AM
Of course he is, that's why he beat the current best 13 times (more to come, that goes without saying).

Wait, you just said Nadal's the best b/c he beat the best. Does that mean he beat himself, is that what you're trying to say?|

Or do you admit that Federer's the best?

Mick
08-13-2009, 10:06 AM
Of course he is, that's why he beat the current best 13 times (more to come, that goes without saying).

i hope the next meeting between federer-nadal will produce another epic battle.

mandy01
08-13-2009, 10:08 AM
Wait, you just said Nadal's the best b/c he beat the best. Does that mean he beat himself, is that what you're trying to say?|

Or do you admit that Federer's the best? First off it was just cesc who heard him and he supports Nadal now that his idol has been eclipsed.Not much crediblity to his claim if you ask me.

veroniquem
08-13-2009, 10:14 AM
Who was number 1 before he got injured?

The real #1 :). Right now we have a substitute #1 but this sad situation is not gonna last much longer...

veroniquem
08-13-2009, 10:16 AM
Wait, you just said Nadal's the best b/c he beat the best. Does that mean he beat himself, is that what you're trying to say?|

Or do you admit that Federer's the best?


I said CURRENT best (by default...)

mandy01
08-13-2009, 10:18 AM
Looks like the fact that Fed had mono makes Nadal the defaulting no .1 of 2008 :lol:
Afterall he could've been suffring from the after effects :twisted:
History will only see the number of weeks aat no .1 Fed added to his resume :twisted:

veroniquem
08-13-2009, 10:20 AM
i hope the next meeting between federer-nadal will produce another epic battle.

I hope it will stop Fed from seeking to wear any number embroidered jackets. Just that would be a valuable service to humanity.

DarthMaul
08-13-2009, 10:22 AM
I hope it will stop Fed from seeking to wear any number embroidered jackets. Just that would be a valuable service to humanity.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c8/RO_Roadsign_16.svg/600px-RO_Roadsign_16.svg.png

backhand winner
08-13-2009, 10:22 AM
I hope it will stop Fed from seeking to wear any number embroidered jackets. Just that would be a valuable service to humanity.
We can only wish. Even TTC commentators mentioned that he went overboard.

mandy01
08-13-2009, 10:24 AM
We can only wish. Even TTC commentators mentioned that he went overboard. You mean Jason Goodall? He was talking about the military jacket which the other guy ( not Robbie ,he wasnt there in the first set.) didnt seem to mind.BTW-Jason also added that Roger is always immaculately dressed.

ninman
08-13-2009, 12:13 PM
The real #1 :). Right now we have a substitute #1 but this sad situation is not gonna last much longer...

Yeah, that would be the same man who pulled out of Wimbledon because he "wasn't 100%", yeah, he sounds like the best to me.

goyeji
08-13-2009, 11:55 PM
@goyeji: It's interesting you are ending almost every post with "End of discussion" or "Period". You just can't stand dialogue!
In your opinion others have no right to have their opinion and you're the keeper of the absolute truth.
May I suggest you open your own forum and talk to yourself? You seem to resemble Sonic the Hedgehog when he was playing tennis with himself. Replace tennis shots with posts and that would be you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnqhByarKRM

That is most certainly very untrue. I actually enjoy a good engaging discussion where knowledgeable intelligent posters debate about an interesting and fascinating topic where various substantiated views and opinions are brought forward and debated. In the case of this thread, the original post pretty much covers it. Oh hell, the title of the thread actually covers it very well and in comprehensive fashion: "Rafa is still the best player in the world".

DarthMaul
08-14-2009, 02:23 AM
That is most certainly very untrue. I actually enjoy a good engaging discussion where knowledgeable intelligent posters debate about an interesting and fascinating topic where various substantiated views and opinions are brought forward and debated. In the case of this thread, the original post pretty much covers it. Oh hell, the title of the thread actually covers it very well and in comprehensive fashion: "Rafa is still the best player in the world".

:roll::roll::roll:

joeri888
08-14-2009, 02:52 AM
Rafa might be, he should however show it over the past 12 months and if he doesn't, he and everybody else should shut the **** up. I think some people in this world have way too much love for Federer, but there are clearly also people who have a very weird way of talking about Federer, like he needs to prove himself still. That's not the case. Federer deserves the ranking he has most of all.. Which doesn't necessarily mean he would be the favourite to beat Nadal if they met at any surface.

I wouldn't bet against Rafa to win the US Open.

rwn
08-14-2009, 03:14 AM
Yeah, that would be the same man who pulled out of Wimbledon because he "wasn't 100%", yeah, he sounds like the best to me.

Nadalīs a beast in the mental department :?

Rippy
08-14-2009, 04:17 AM
Of course he is, that's why he beat the current best 13 times (more to come, that goes without saying).

That means you're saying Federer's the best?! Or if not that, then you're saying that whoever beats Nadal is the best.

Mungo73
08-14-2009, 01:26 PM
Peter Fleming knows his tennis. Healthy Nadal is the best player in the world followed by hardcourt specialist Andy Murray.

thejoe
08-14-2009, 01:41 PM
Peter Fleming knows his tennis. Healthy Nadal is the best player in the world followed by hardcourt specialist Andy Murray.

Oh God, you again.

goyeji
08-14-2009, 08:59 PM
Peter Fleming knows his tennis. Healthy Nadal is the best player in the world followed by hardcourt specialist Andy Murray.

Thanks for your input Mungo. It's great to see you back and posting, once again. Rafa is still the best player in the world. Enough said.

julesb
08-14-2009, 09:01 PM
Thanks for your input Mungo. It's great to see you back and posting, once again. Rafa is still the best player in the world. Enough said.

No doubt. And his only true competition are the extremely talented Djokovic and Andy Murray. Lucky clowns like Federer and Roddick need not apply.

jamesblakefan#1
08-14-2009, 09:04 PM
No doubt. And his only true competition are the extremely talented Djokovic and Andy Murray. Lucky clowns like Federer and Roddick need not apply.

Whatever happened to this???

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=3805180&postcount=238