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rfedererfan
08-12-2009, 07:41 AM
Do you guys know if the USO hard courts are the fastest hard courts in the world ? Or at least are they faster than the old/new AO surface or the Shanghai surface? Thanks.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 07:43 AM
Do you guys know if the USO hard courts are the fastest hard courts in the world ? Or at least are they faster than the old/new AO surface or the Shanghai surface? Thanks.
Thay are a lot faster than the AO surface whick is Rebound Ace, a lot softer and slower bounce.
Us Open might be one of the fastest hc-surfaces in the world, hard to compare it to Shanghai since that is indoors but probably something like that.

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 07:44 AM
It's faster than AO, IMO

Not sure about Shanghai. Since Djokovic won it, it's probably not too fast.

backhand winner
08-12-2009, 07:46 AM
Thay are a lot faster than the AO surface whick is Rebound Ace, a lot softer and slower bounce.
Us Open might be one of the fastest hc-surfaces in the world, hard to compare it to Shanghai since that is indoors but probably something like that.
Australian Open is plexicushion. Rebound Ace hasn't been around since 2007. Nadal won on a pretty fast hardcourt. US Open is slightly faster though but not the fastest hardcourts in the world or anything like that. I would give that to Cincinnati. The heat in Cincinnati might have something to do with it though.

dropshot winner
08-12-2009, 07:46 AM
The US Open have some of the fastest courts around. But I think Cincinnati, Basel and Lyon are even faster.

dropshot winner
08-12-2009, 07:48 AM
Australian Open is plexicushion. Rebound Ace hasn't been around since 2007. Nadal won on a pretty fast hardcourt. US Open is slightly faster though but not the fastest hardcourts in the world or anything like that. I would give that to Cincinnati. The heat in Cincinnati might have something to do with it though.
Plexicushion isn't fast at all compared to the US Open.

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 07:48 AM
It's faster than AO, IMO

Not sure about Shanghai. Since Djokovic won it, it's probably not too fast.



Djokovic won Shanghai due to luck of the draw. He all but essentially automatically won it when Andy Murray made a bone headed decision and expended all his energy to eliminate a crippled Federer, leaving nothing in the tank against the physical Davydenko.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 07:48 AM
Australian Open is plexicushion. Rebound Ace hasn't been around since 2007. Nadal won on a pretty fast hardcourt. US Open is slightly faster though but not the fastest hardcourts in the world or anything like that. I would give that to Cincinnati. The heat in Cincinnati might have something to do with it though.
Sorry, you are right,AO IS plexicushion.
But the heat in NYC in August/Septmember can be very high to

CountryHillbilly
08-12-2009, 07:49 AM
Djokovic won Shanghai due to luck of the draw. He all but essentially automatically won it when Andy Murray made a bone headed decision and expended all his energy to eliminate a crippled Federer, leaving nothing in the tank against the physical Davydenko.

Do you have an automatic notice whenever Djokovic gets mentioned? I know he was lucky.

So, how fast is Shanghai?

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 07:50 AM
Fastest hardcourts (bear in mind this is relating to outdoors) :

Cincinnati
USO
Indy/Washington/LA (it's a wash here, hard to judge due to lack of a large field)
Toronto/Montreal (The Canadian Masters is generally the slowest).

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 07:51 AM
Do you have an automatic notice whenever Djokovic gets mentioned? I know he was lucky.

So, how fast is Shanghai?



Shanghai is faster than the USO; it's easily faster than all the slams. I'm just pointing it out that Djokovic won it not because it was slow, but because of luck.

backhand winner
08-12-2009, 07:53 AM
Sorry, you are right,AO IS plexicushion.
But the heat in NYC in August/Septmember can be very high to
Nothing like Cincinnati. I compare US Open to the Canadian Open when it comes to conditions. US Open is played a week later this year as well.

dropshot winner
08-12-2009, 07:55 AM
Shanghai is faster than the USO; it's easily faster than all the slams. I'm just pointing it out that Djokovic won it not because it was slow, but because of luck.
Are you sure? The surface was slowed down after the 2005 masters cup.

TheMagicianOfPrecision
08-12-2009, 07:55 AM
Nothing like Cincinnati. I compare US Open to the Canadian Open when it comes to conditions. US Open is played a week later this year as well.
Alright, i was in Ohio 4 years ago in July and that same year i was in Nyc in August, NYC felt a lot hotter than Ohio but i guess that might have been coinscidences?
Anyway, fast HC=Good for the Fed man:)

dragonfire
08-12-2009, 07:55 AM
cincy i think is the fastest, but the US open can fly too, i think the old madrid hard (b4 it turned to clay) was faster though

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 07:56 AM
Are you sure? The surface was slowed down after the 2005 masters cup.



Still looked extremely fast to me. Nadal had trouble dealing with Federer's aggressive backhand play two years in a row.

backhand winner
08-12-2009, 07:57 AM
Still looked extremely fast to me. Nadal had trouble dealing with Federer's aggressive backhand play two years in a row.
Might have to do with indoor conditions. It's easier to go for your shots with no wind or sun to deal with.

dropshot winner
08-12-2009, 07:58 AM
Still looked extremely fast to me. Nadal had trouble dealing with Federer's aggressive backhand play two years in a row.
Yeah, but I'd say the reason for that was the low bounce. Nadal had problems to get his forehands out of Federer's strike zone.

Steve132
08-12-2009, 12:23 PM
The US Open surface is a relatively fast hard court, but - like Wimbledon - it has been slowed in recent years. It was appreciably faster in the 1980's and 90's than it is today.

Andres
08-12-2009, 02:36 PM
The US Open have some of the fastest courts around. But I think Cincinnati, Basel and Lyon are even faster.
This will be the first year Lyons uses a hardcourt. But I'm guessing it'll be fast as hell.

NamRanger
08-12-2009, 02:37 PM
This will be the first year Lyons uses a hardcourt. But I'm guessing it'll be fast as hell.


Still same surface, they just say it's a hardcourt. Unless I'm wrong. I thought that was the same thing with Paris.

[d]ragon
08-12-2009, 02:59 PM
Didn't someone post a list of the fastest tournaments? I can't remember but I believe USO is up there.

Andres
08-13-2009, 04:13 PM
Still same surface, they just say it's a hardcourt. Unless I'm wrong. I thought that was the same thing with Paris.
No, no. Both Madrid, Paris and Basel did change to an softer indoor hardcourt, while Lyon remained carpet.

I doubt they'll keep the carpet, advertising it as hardcourt. That could lead to trouble.

It's a shame. Lyon and MS Paris used to be my favourite tournaments. Lyon's surface used to be the fastest on tour for many, MANY years.

NamRanger
08-13-2009, 04:46 PM
No, no. Both Madrid, Paris and Basel did change to an softer indoor hardcourt, while Lyon remained carpet.

I doubt they'll keep the carpet, advertising it as hardcourt. That could lead to trouble.

It's a shame. Lyon and MS Paris used to be my favourite tournaments. Lyon's surface used to be the fastest on tour for many, MANY years.


Oh, I thought Paris was still using Taraflax or whatever it's called?