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honz
08-24-2009, 08:55 PM
I'm loving my PLII setup in my 4D 300 Tour's, but I'm hoping to find a somewhat cheaper string that I like enough to use as my go to string. Has anyone tried both of these strings? Do the play similarly? Totally different? Any input is appreciated.

TennisandMusic
08-24-2009, 11:23 PM
Yeah I have. Black magic (IMO) sucks if you're used to Pro Line II. Very low levels of spin in comparison. It feels like a cheap string.

Honestly I'm going through the same thing you are. My go too strings are basically zo twist and PLII, with me giving the slight nod to the zo twist because it seems to hit a slightly heavier ball. Maybe not QUITE the control of PLII but that's ok. However both of these strings are about 150-160 for a reel and it would be nice to find a string that would be under 100 a reel or so.

I'm telling you I don't think it exists. I've tried just about every poly out there that is worth any beans or has any recognition whatsoever. Name the brand and string, and I've probably played it. If you want a great mix of playability and cost PLII is IT IMO. The Luxilon stuff might play a little better, but the value for the cost is much lower. The cheaper stuff just doesn't compare either.

I honestly wouldn't even try the Black Magic. If you're a type of player who can really utilize the good polys (polies? :-P ) I would say it's basically worthless...

dadozen
08-25-2009, 06:52 AM
Yeah I have. Black magic (IMO) sucks if you're used to Pro Line II. Very low levels of spin in comparison. It feels like a cheap string.

Honestly I'm going through the same thing you are. My go too strings are basically zo twist and PLII, with me giving the slight nod to the zo twist because it seems to hit a slightly heavier ball. Maybe not QUITE the control of PLII but that's ok. However both of these strings are about 150-160 for a reel and it would be nice to find a string that would be under 100 a reel or so.

I'm telling you I don't think it exists. I've tried just about every poly out there that is worth any beans or has any recognition whatsoever. Name the brand and string, and I've probably played it. If you want a great mix of playability and cost PLII is IT IMO. The Luxilon stuff might play a little better, but the value for the cost is much lower. The cheaper stuff just doesn't compare either.

I honestly wouldn't even try the Black Magic. If you're a type of player who can really utilize the good polys (polies? :-P ) I would say it's basically worthless...

Have you tried MSV focus Hex 1.10mm or any other gauge of this string? if so, how do you compare it to PLII?

i'm currently using PLII, and I love how it plays and how it is able to keep playability until it breaks( around 8h for me ). But I'm really interested in trying the MSV Focus Hex, especially the 1.10mm diameter.

Cheers,

dadozen
08-25-2009, 06:53 AM
Btw, I have two Black Magic sets that I got for free when I bought some reels, but you made me not curious anymore about them:)

bad_call
08-25-2009, 07:03 AM
Have you tried MSV focus Hex 1.10mm or any other gauge of this string? if so, how do you compare it to PLII?

i'm currently using PLII, and I love how it plays and how it is able to keep playability until it breaks( around 8h for me ). But I'm really interested in trying the MSV Focus Hex, especially the 1.10mm diameter.

Cheers,

dadozen - using in hybrids - BAM and Hex 1.10 now so here's a comparison.

comfort: BAM > Hex
power: BAM > Hex
feel: BAM > Hex
spin: Hex > BAM
control: BAM == Hex (not an obvious difference here)
durability: ? (haven't played enough to know but the crosses in the Hex hybrid are already wearing)

can u give your comparison with BAM and PLII ?

scotus
08-25-2009, 07:11 AM
I liked Big Ace Micro much better than Pro Line 2 or MSV Hex.

dadozen
08-25-2009, 07:54 AM
dadozen - using in hybrids - BAM and Hex 1.10 now so here's a comparison.

comfort: BAM > Hex
power: BAM > Hex
feel: BAM > Hex
spin: Hex > BAM
control: BAM == Hex (not an obvious difference here)
durability: ? (haven't played enough to know but the crosses in the Hex hybrid are already wearing)

can u give your comparison with BAM and PLII ?

Thanks a lot man, but just one question: are you using them on the mains or on the crosses? My guess is on the mais, correct?

Now using a similar scale to compare BAM and PLII:

comfort: BAM > PLII - yet PLII still offers plenty of comfort
power: BAM > PLII, but a very slight difference
feel: BAM = PLII, but they play differently here. The feedback you get from the ball is almost the same, but PLII offers a more crisp feeling. I enjoy that.
spin: PLII > BAM
control: PLII > BAM
durability: PLII > BAM - I could play 8hs with PLII without losing playability, although I could feel the tension loss. But I had to cut BAM out of my racquets after 9hs, because it has lost much tension and I had to start making serious adjustments in orden to keep my ball inside the court.

All in all, they perform in a similar way. Both very soft polys, with good power and they both provide control in a good amount. If I had never tried PLII, I'd probably stick with BAM, but I liked the control I get from PLII, plus it holds tension a little better and has a crips feeling that I liked a lot.

Cheers,

dadozen
08-25-2009, 07:54 AM
I liked Big Ace Micro much better than Pro Line 2 or MSV Hex.

What did you like better about BAM?

honz
08-25-2009, 08:17 AM
Yeah I have. Black magic (IMO) sucks if you're used to Pro Line II. Very low levels of spin in comparison. It feels like a cheap string.

Honestly I'm going through the same thing you are. My go too strings are basically zo twist and PLII, with me giving the slight nod to the zo twist because it seems to hit a slightly heavier ball. Maybe not QUITE the control of PLII but that's ok. However both of these strings are about 150-160 for a reel and it would be nice to find a string that would be under 100 a reel or so.

I'm telling you I don't think it exists. I've tried just about every poly out there that is worth any beans or has any recognition whatsoever. Name the brand and string, and I've probably played it. If you want a great mix of playability and cost PLII is IT IMO. The Luxilon stuff might play a little better, but the value for the cost is much lower. The cheaper stuff just doesn't compare either.

I honestly wouldn't even try the Black Magic. If you're a type of player who can really utilize the good polys (polies? :-P ) I would say it's basically worthless...
Thanks. I still sorta want to try it just to try it, but it might be more cost effective to just buy a reel of PLII and be done with it! Still have a few more strings to try first though that I've already bought. I should have never tried PLII! Such a great string that now everything else I put in my racquet feels like garbage!

bad_call
08-25-2009, 08:40 AM
dadozen - yup...using the poly in the mains. PLII looks to be working better for u. the feel BAM gives is superb. may try Hex mains and BAM crosses next...;)

TennisandMusic
08-25-2009, 08:45 AM
Thanks. I still sorta want to try it just to try it, but it might be more cost effective to just buy a reel of PLII and be done with it! Still have a few more strings to try first though that I've already bought. I should have never tried PLII! Such a great string that now everything else I put in my racquet feels like garbage!

Yeah pretty much...PLII is a great string.

To the other poster, I have tried MSV Hex 1.18 and 1.23. 1.10 would be too small for me. I think MSV Hex is ok. Starts out stiff, relaxes a bit with time, but can hit a hard flatter trajectory ball. I do know I was hitting some heavy balls with it, it just didn't quite have the spin or trajectory I wanted.

I think once you start getting into really small gauges, the usefulness of the string goes way way down. I just don't see how anything 1.20 and down could last at all, unless you're using something more dense than a 16x19. I would still stick with the PLII if you like it that much...

bad_call
08-25-2009, 09:27 AM
Yeah pretty much...PLII is a great string.

To the other poster, I have tried MSV Hex 1.18 and 1.23. 1.10 would be too small for me. I think MSV Hex is ok. Starts out stiff, relaxes a bit with time, but can hit a hard flatter trajectory ball. I do know I was hitting some heavy balls with it, it just didn't quite have the spin or trajectory I wanted.

I think once you start getting into really small gauges, the usefulness of the string goes way way down. I just don't see how anything 1.20 and down could last at all, unless you're using something more dense than a 16x19. I would still stick with the PLII if you like it that much...

the 16x19 Prestige Pro plays great with the smaller gauges. also was skeptical going smaller than 1.22 but after having tried it...hard to go back. string durability is dependent on the racquet and player. JR comes to mind. :neutral:

TennisandMusic
08-25-2009, 09:33 AM
the 16x19 Prestige Pro plays great with the smaller gauges. also was skeptical going smaller than 1.22 but after having tried it...hard to go back. string durability is dependent on the racquet and player. JR comes to mind. :neutral:

Yeah...The Prestige Pro was pretty good with 1.20 PLII, but that didn't last long for me. I know a dude who loves it with 1.25.

By the way, Kid Charlemagne is a great song.

bad_call
08-25-2009, 09:35 AM
Yeah...The Prestige Pro was pretty good with 1.20 PLII, but that didn't last long for me. I know a dude who loves it with 1.25.

By the way, Kid Charlemagne is a great song.

yeah...me thinks so too. :)

TennisandMusic
08-25-2009, 09:48 AM
yeah...me thinks so too. :)

You a big SD fan? Do you prefer the newer stuff over the older stuff? I really like Can't buy a thrill, but could never get into the Katy Lied or Pretzel Logic stuff. From The Royal Scam on, I thought they really started to hit their stride though.

Sorry for the derailment folks. :-P

dadozen
08-25-2009, 10:36 AM
Thanks guys. For me, going up on string gauge is impossible now. Thin polys are working great. I'm playing with the 300T, which has a tight string pattern( 18x20 ), so the match is made in heaven.

I'm not a heavy hitter not a string breaker as well, so durability is not really an issue for me. I'd rather the string breaking before going dead for sure. The last PLII stringjob lasted me around 8hs, which translates into 2 weeks( I play mostly at the weekends ). That's good enough for me.

I remember one person that loved the feeling of PLII but also liked the softness of BAM much better. So he started using PLII on the mains and BAM on the crosses. And he was 100% satisfied so far.

stanfordtennis alum
08-25-2009, 10:48 AM
have used both strings and found the Black Magic to be much better than the Pro Line 2 in nearly every category.. just a solid all-around string IMO

TennisandMusic
08-25-2009, 10:56 AM
have used both strings and found the Black Magic to be much better than the Pro Line 2 in nearly every category.. just a solid all-around string IMO

May I ask how so? It features less spin, less control etc. It seems to me like it would be a string that would appeal to people who use synthetic gut but want to get into the "poly" world. It just doesn't perform up with the best polys in the areas that they are known for IMO. But if you're a stanford tennis player you must know your stuff.

Also the person I usually hit with noticed right away I had moved from my normal setup to the black magic as the balls had less weight on them.

Noisy Ninja
08-25-2009, 11:19 AM
I remember one person that loved the feeling of PLII but also liked the softness of BAM much better. So he started using PLII on the mains and BAM on the crosses. And he was 100% satisfied so far.

That person was me. :)
I continue to be very pleased with the PLII (mains)/BAM (crosses) setup. Full PLII was lacking in power/softness; Full BAM lacked in spin potential and crispness. Hybriding the two seemed like a logical choice and I've been quite pleased with the results in my K90's (52/55). For those who like PLII, hybriding with BAM is definitely worth a try as it would save $$ considering a reel of BAM is ~ 40% less than a reel of PLII.

Spin Potential PLII > BAM
Power PLII < BAM
Stiffness PLII > BAM
Tension Maint PLII = BAM

dadozen
08-25-2009, 11:48 AM
That person was me. :)
I continue to be very pleased with the PLII (mains)/BAM (crosses) setup. Full PLII was lacking in power/softness; Full BAM lacked in spin potential and crispness. Hybriding the two seemed like a logical choice and I've been quite pleased with the results in my K90's (52/55). For those who like PLII, hybriding with BAM is definitely worth a try as it would save $$ considering a reel of BAM is ~ 40% less than a reel of PLII.

Spin Potential PLII > BAM
Power PLII < BAM
Stiffness PLII > BAM
Tension Maint PLII = BAM

Sorry man, but I couldn't remember your username and I was too lazy to search for the thread where we chatted a little about these strings. As soon as I saw you had replied this thread I remembered you. Glad that you stopped by to post your thoughts:)

Now I regret selling my BAM reel(s), since I didn't try this setup. It seems that we had the same feedback from both strings, so maybe making an hybrid of them two would be a good choice for me as well.

DANG!

Noisy Ninja
08-26-2009, 05:56 AM
Sorry man, but I couldn't remember your username and I was too lazy to search for the thread where we chatted a little about these strings. As soon as I saw you had replied this thread I remembered you. Glad that you stopped by to post your thoughts:)

Now I regret selling my BAM reel(s), since I didn't try this setup. It seems that we had the same feedback from both strings, so maybe making an hybrid of them two would be a good choice for me as well.

DANG!

No problem.
Glad to hear you're liking the PLII.

acer4tennis
08-26-2009, 09:18 AM
Yeah I have. Black magic (IMO) sucks ...


I honestly wouldn't even try the Black Magic. If you're a type of player who can really utilize the good polys (polies? :-P ) I would say it's basically worthless...

????

the guy from stanford probably hits a heavy ball and you on the other hand need a kick in the rear :twisted:

Dgpsx7
08-26-2009, 09:22 AM
although BAM is a little more stiff I liked MSV Hex 1.10 better in almost every category. Now that I am used to MSV it is very hard for me to use any string. The two disappointments I had after I started using MSV were Big ace micro and SP blackline tornado. The only strings on my list left to try are pro line II and Spiky shark.

TennisandMusic
08-26-2009, 09:33 AM
????

the guy from stanford probably hits a heavy ball and you on the other hand need a kick in the rear :twisted:

That's certainly a helpful post. Everyone I play with says I hit a heavier ball than they are used too.

acer4tennis
08-26-2009, 09:48 AM
That's certainly a helpful post. Everyone I play with says I hit a heavier ball than they are used too.


Tennis is sport and art. ...Some people have a great imagination.

dadozen
08-26-2009, 12:00 PM
although BAM is a little more stiff I liked MSV Hex 1.10 better in almost every category. Now that I am used to MSV it is very hard for me to use any string. The two disappointments I had after I started using MSV were Big ace micro and SP blackline tornado. The only strings on my list left to try are pro line II and Spiky shark.

Did you find BAM to be stiffer than MSV 1.10mm? Hmm, that's useful info:)

bad_call
08-26-2009, 03:58 PM
Did you find BAM to be stiffer than MSV 1.10mm? Hmm, that's useful info:)

didn't share that experience. BAM softer than Hex 1.10 for this player...

Dgpsx7
08-26-2009, 04:29 PM
Did you find BAM to be stiffer than MSV 1.10mm? Hmm, that's useful info:)

didn't share that experience. BAM softer than Hex 1.10 for this player...


really, I used BAM's thinnest gauge 1.15mm. I did not enjoy the spin as much because my slice forehand would float a little more although I enjoyed the control. I am a lefty and I use a little more slice most people and I just found the MSV Hex 1.10 to suit my game much more especially for slice forehands and drop shots. However, they are both great strings and fairly inexpensive for their performance. I would try both at some point.

bad_call
08-26-2009, 05:17 PM
really, I used BAM's thinnest gauge 1.15mm...

BAM comes in only 1 gauge that i know of. :confused:

Dgpsx7
08-26-2009, 06:12 PM
BAM comes in only 1 gauge that i know of. :confused:

no your right, I just looked at their website and they consider anything above 1.15mm big ace and not big ace micro. We are still talking about the same thing though.

dadozen
08-27-2009, 06:49 AM
no your right, I just looked at their website and they consider anything above 1.15mm big ace and not big ace micro. We are still talking about the same thing though.

Let us know when you try PLII. I'm very interested on how MSV differs from the string I'm using.

Also, I realized that lots of left-handed players like MSV. Is this a pattern, maybe?:)

bad_call
08-27-2009, 08:27 AM
Let us know when you try PLII. I'm very interested on how MSV differs from the string I'm using.

Also, I realized that lots of left-handed players like MSV. Is this a pattern, maybe?:)

lefties ROCK!!! years back, a lefty was my steadiest practice partner.

may have to buy some PLII if i can't get a string trade.

monomakh
08-27-2009, 09:59 AM
The only strings on my list left to try are pro line II and Spiky shark.

Spiky Shark is horrid, IMO.

BM I liked after the break-in period, but the crosses broke before tension was lost. I need to give it more time.

PL2 I like a lot, but only used it in a hybrid with gut and haven't gone back to it in a few months. I'll string another up soon for a refresher.

Orion
08-27-2009, 10:13 AM
May I ask how so? It features less spin, less control etc. It seems to me like it would be a string that would appeal to people who use synthetic gut but want to get into the "poly" world. It just doesn't perform up with the best polys in the areas that they are known for IMO. But if you're a stanford tennis player you must know your stuff.

Also the person I usually hit with noticed right away I had moved from my normal setup to the black magic as the balls had less weight on them.

Maybe you didn't play long enough to allow the Black Magic to break-in. Mine usually settles in after about 90 minutes of hitting. When it settles in it's a great string.

Try the Black Magic, it's a really good poly!!! I haven't tried PLII to compare but I can tell you Lux string is not worth twice as much. Personally, I need a soft ploy (past shoulder and wrist problems) and BM delivers. I am able to generate decent spin, I'm not looking for crazy jump off the baseline topspin. I want a poly that still allows me to blast a nice flat inside out forehand...and offers a level of feel if you will. I find Lux strings lacking in feel. If I was in my late teen or early twenties and had the energy to pound away at every shot I would probably prefer the Lux. But being in my late-30's, I need a solid all-around string. Black Magic has holds tension well, plays soft for a poly, is easy to string, cost-effective, and generates nice spin.

OP you've gotta at least try the free sets. I was skeptical at first but after trying it $85 a reel is a steal.

dadozen
08-27-2009, 10:33 AM
Well, I think I'll try the MSV 1.18mm first. After all, I have one set at home. I also have 2 BM sets, 1.23mm, but I like thinner polys.

PLII is being good enough for me so far. Tension maintenance, spin, durability, comfortness... I guess I have to treat my new toy syndrome ASAP.:lol:

Dgpsx7
08-28-2009, 05:27 AM
Spiky Shark is horrid, IMO.

BM I liked after the break-in period, but the crosses broke before tension was lost. I need to give it more time.

PL2 I like a lot, but only used it in a hybrid with gut and haven't gone back to it in a few months. I'll string another up soon for a refresher.

In all categories besides breakage what do you think of Spiky Shark? I care a lot about spin and I am not a string breaker at all. I play with a lot of touch and spin and the only time I am really hitting hard is when I am trying to make someone eat their 2nd serve. So if breakage was not an issue how would you rate it?

I really need to order a set of PL2, I have heard so many great things about it, I need to just try it already. I will move it to the top of the string list. Do you think it would be a good match for a KPS88? I will also start using a PB10 Mid soon but I am almost positive I will put MSV Hex 1.10 on it.

Dgpsx7
08-28-2009, 05:36 AM
Let us know when you try PLII. I'm very interested on how MSV differs from the string I'm using.

Also, I realized that lots of left-handed players like MSV. Is this a pattern, maybe?:)

There are a couple things I can do with this string on a Volkl Tour10 VE MP that I cannot do with any racket or string combination. Last summer when I tried this setup for the first time I literally started laughing because I couldn't believe the difference. It really made it a lot easier to play my heavy slice game. With this racket string combo and I can create great drop shots and a particularly dangerous slice forehand(no floating and a lot of pace for slice).

monomakh
08-28-2009, 08:46 AM
In all categories besides breakage what do you think of Spiky Shark? I care a lot about spin and I am not a string breaker at all. I play with a lot of touch and spin and the only time I am really hitting hard is when I am trying to make someone eat their 2nd serve. So if breakage was not an issue how would you rate it?

For me - TF320 VO2, fairly heavy hitter, strung the spiky @54 - SS had good control and spin, but poor power and terrible comfort. Anything outside of the sweetspot was like hitting a 2x4. A 2x4 with a cheese grater attached. For spin, there are many options out there that give you as much, for the same or better price, that are not awful like SS.

Of all the strings I have tried, it was my second least favorite (better than only the TF red code that I had at too high of a tension).

mtommer
08-28-2009, 09:27 AM
lefties ROCK!!!

Well thank you very much for your kind words. :D (even though I don't use Hex)

TennisandMusic
09-01-2009, 09:18 PM
Well I ended up giving the black magic more time as I didn't want to cut it out after a few minutes of play time.

I ended up being fairly impressed and am considering making it my regular string, as it's just so economical. The other ones I am looking at are basically twice the cost per reel, and I don't think they have anywhere near twice the performance...

At this point I'd have to say black magic is the best "cheap" string I've ever tried.

Fedace
09-01-2009, 09:31 PM
Which is better Proline2 or Black magic ??

Dgpsx7
09-01-2009, 09:33 PM
For me - TF320 VO2, fairly heavy hitter, strung the spiky @54 - SS had good control and spin, but poor power and terrible comfort. Anything outside of the sweetspot was like hitting a 2x4. A 2x4 with a cheese grater attached. For spin, there are many options out there that give you as much, for the same or better price, that are not awful like SS.

Of all the strings I have tried, it was my second least favorite (better than only the TF red code that I had at too high of a tension).

good, its off my list. One less thing to worry about. I just bought a PB10 mid and it has some Kirschbaum competition on it. This string is nice but I have not found any string that I have liked more than MSV Hex 1.10. The only string I am still curious about is Pro Line II. I will probably buy a pack and put it on my KPS88 eventually.

stanfordtennis alum
09-02-2009, 03:32 PM
Well I ended up giving the black magic more time as I didn't want to cut it out after a few minutes of play time.

I ended up being fairly impressed and am considering making it my regular string, as it's just so economical. The other ones I am looking at are basically twice the cost per reel, and I don't think they have anywhere near twice the performance...

At this point I'd have to say black magic is the best "cheap" string I've ever tried.
have to agree... black magic is probably the best price/performance poly on the market right now.. good stuff

honz
09-03-2009, 08:48 AM
How does Black Magic compare in comfort and softness in comparison to Pro Line II and Big Ace?

monomakh
09-03-2009, 11:00 AM
good, its off my list. One less thing to worry about. I just bought a PB10 mid and it has some Kirschbaum competition on it. This string is nice but I have not found any string that I have liked more than MSV Hex 1.10. The only string I am still curious about is Pro Line II. I will probably buy a pack and put it on my KPS88 eventually.

I like the PL2 quite a bit. I haven't tried a full job with it, but I would put it in the SPPP/CB class of "like it a lot, not ready to get married to it" class of polys.

How does Black Magic compare in comfort and softness in comparison to Pro Line II and Big Ace?

Black Magic is OK for me - after the break in period it was really nice, but then I sawed through the crosses before the string went dead. Pre-break in (say 30 mins), I did not like it at all. I'm still undecided on that one overall. Compared to BA and PL2, I would say it is softer, and equal in comfort after the break in period.

For the Genesis, I actually preferred the SpinX over the Black Magic. It's amazingly comfortable and powerful for a poly. For me the Genesis SpinX is shooting way up the charts. My SpinX/Global (or Gaucho) gut mix is making me really happy right now. If comfort's your thing, I would go with the SpinX over the BM. Side note: the SpinX looks remarkably like the SP Hyperion, but I haven't had a chance to do a direct comparison yet, though it's on The List.

Fedace
09-03-2009, 11:02 AM
If money was no object then would you buy Proline 2 or Black magic ??

TennisandMusic
09-03-2009, 11:09 AM
Well I would pick PL2 I think. But it's pretty much twice the cost for a reel. Almost anyway.

Fedace
09-03-2009, 11:13 AM
Well I would pick PL2 I think. But it's pretty much twice the cost for a reel. Almost anyway.

Thanks, Is Black magic better than Black code ?? that is not a pun.:)

TennisandMusic
09-03-2009, 12:13 PM
Thanks, Is Black magic better than Black code ?? that is not a pun.:)

Actually those are the two I am directly comparing right now.

Black code has more power but a little less inherent spin. It seems to hit a slightly heavier ball than Black Magic, as I felt I was hitting some BIG shots with the Black Code, confirmed by my hitting partner.

Black Magic has more spin potential it seems, with more shots really kicking up hard off the court. It also produces a slightly slower ball speed, and these two combined make the Black Magic easier to hit out on with full power and keep the ball well in. I hit one with this string yesterday that literally bounced up to about 7 feet high, maybe the highest kicking groundstroke I've ever hit.

Feel wise, Black Code seems softer to me. I get more of a feeling of impact with the Black Magic. It gives a better feeling of "bite." This also makes it a little harsher to hit with, but it's not too bad. I am not experiencing any pain or soreness afterwards from either of them, but I am using the PST GT which is also a pretty comfortable racquet so YMMV.

I think in the end, Black Code seems more geared towards an attacking game with flatter shots, and Black Magic could be for guys that like to play it a little more safe. Both seem to perform very well and I can see players picking either one of them for different reasons. I am down to three strings in the running for a reel, these two and the Gamma Zo Twist. I just need to give the code and magic some more time to see how well they last.

Fedace we should get together and hit sometime. We could compare string notes. I'm actually sitting in an office in La Jolla right now, and can play out here during lunch, or just about anywhere in SD after hours.

Power Player
10-21-2009, 05:48 AM
good thread. I am trying out different strings for my YT Radical Pro. I really loved a hybrid in it, but they break way too fast for me. I went full Black Magic, and it is good at 54#s, but lacking in power. The BM really mutes the feel of the racquet almost too much. I don't get a cracking groundstroke that I got with the hybrids as consistently. the break in period for the BM made me think I strung too tightly, which was unique, since I used BM in an APDC and it was fine..once it broke in though, it was better.


The Proline II intrigues me. Is the 16 gauge much more durable then the 17? I see the 17 is cheaper, is the 16 worth it? I like soft polys with some power, and durability. I also prefer tension maintenance that is consistent. In the Radical, the Black Magic does not perform as well as with a tweener, so I am searching for more options.

I am thinking of the Big Ace Micro also, but I hated Big Ace. I don't want to have to string my polys that tight, and the BA was awful at 56#s.

bad_call
10-21-2009, 05:58 AM
...I am thinking of the Big Ace Micro also, but I hated Big Ace. I don't want to have to string my polys that tight, and the BA was awful at 56#s.

initially tried BA 1.22 hybrid with a 1 lb tension drop and did not like it. tried loosening up the strings some and then it clicked for me. next time dropping tension 2-3 lbs.

then tried BAM hybrid with a 1.5 tension drop and bingo. :)

Fedace
10-21-2009, 06:11 AM
I liked Big Ace Micro much better than Pro Line 2 or MSV Hex.

I felt like Proline2 gave me more power that Big Ace, what do you think ??

Power Player
10-21-2009, 06:27 AM
Bcall, I know you hybrid the BAM with another poly right?..thats a pretty cool idea. I could try Proline or Black Magic in the mains and BAM in the crosses. I wonder if it would make a difference if I did that or just went full BAM. I know full Black Magic feels too dead for me ..I am stringing at 54#s

bad_call
10-21-2009, 06:33 AM
Bcall, I know you hybrid the BAM with another poly right?..thats a pretty cool idea. I could try Proline or Black Magic in the mains and BAM in the crosses. I wonder if it would make a difference if I did that or just went full BAM. I know full Black Magic feels too dead for me ..I am stringing at 54#s

i don't like the full poly hybrid as much as poly mains and syn gut/multi cross. into more feel and the full poly doesn't give it to me...so far.

Power Player
10-21-2009, 06:51 AM
I wish I could do that. I break those hybrids way too fast no matter what SG or multi I try.

dadozen
10-21-2009, 09:17 AM
BAM is much different from regular BA. BAM is much softer, with much better feeling and feedback. Tension maintenance is just as good, and is not as under powered as BA.

You should definitly try it. I think BAM is a cheaper alternative for PLII( because I use PLII @ 1.15mm ), since they play very similarly, with minimal differences. PLII is a tad stiffer, with a better bite, and holds tension better. Also, PLII offers less power. I repeat, those differences are minimal.

I liked PLII 1.15mm better. I sold my two BAM reels after trying PLII.

Power Player
10-21-2009, 10:46 AM
Dadozen..thanks. So hybriding the PLII with the BAM as a cross is a waste of time? I was going to use 16 gauge PL11.

How durable is the BAM?

dadozen
10-21-2009, 10:53 AM
Actually, there's one guy here, Ninja, who uses this setup - PL2 on mains and BAM on crosses. Not sure which PL2 gauge he uses. He likes it very much, for the spin and bite PL2 gives him, and for the comfort he gets with BAM. I don't think it's a waste of time. I just didn't think it would fit my game. PL2 is comfortable enough for me, and I like the ball bite and crispness I get with it.

Actually, I didn't play with BAM until it breaks, I decided to cut it before that happened, but I could easily play 8-10 hours of hard hitting without noticing a huge loss of tension. Of course, it did lose some tension, but it was OK and the stringjob was still playable.

Also, BAM is quite thicker than PL2 1.15mm. RSA claims that it's actually 1.19mm, while PL2 1.15mm really is 1.15mm.

Power Player
10-21-2009, 12:38 PM
awesome..i will try a hybrid in a week or so and post my results.

monomakh
10-22-2009, 10:29 AM
I've used BAM as a cross similar to the above a number of times. Thoughts:
a) it plays great, I love it; and
b) the BAM saws through the mains (even poly) in very short order

You probably won't get much durability, but while the stringbed is intact, it plays well

Power Player
10-23-2009, 10:31 AM
Oh..thats not good. Maybe I should just try BAM on it's own in a full bed then. I need durability.

panta77
04-22-2012, 05:08 PM
Tried both and for me PL II 1.20 pockets the ball much better, produces more spin and more power with the same swing. I would trade black magic for PL II anytime. If anyone is interested in a BM 1.23 reel check the sale/trade forum.