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Wondertoy
09-15-2009, 08:38 AM
"Don't know how much more I want," Federer said afterwards. "This one I think is easy to get over just because I've had the most amazing summer."

He's achieved his career slam. He's broken Pete's record. He's married now and has kids. Tennis is becoming less important in his life and the competitive fire is gone. He may not know it but he will not like losing to people he once owned in big slam finals. He's 28 but if he doesn't win a slam next year, he will certainly hang it up. Burn out comes not from winning but from losing to players that were never a threat. When Borg lost to Brian Gottfried, he say he didn't like losing to someone who couldn't hold his tennis bag. The old Fed would have taken Delpo. He played like crap because his focus wasn't there. He done wanting. He's satiated. Discuss.

r2473
09-15-2009, 08:48 AM
"Fed should just retire" makes a comeback.

Cyan
09-15-2009, 08:54 AM
"Don't know how much more I want," Federer said afterwards. "This one I think is easy to get over just because I've had the most amazing summer."

He's achieved his career slam. He's broken Pete's record. He's married now and has kids. Tennis is becoming less important in his life and the competitive fire is gone. He may not know it but he will not like losing to people he once owned in big slam finals. He's 28 but if he doesn't win a slam next year, he will certainly hang it up. Burn out comes not from winning but from losing to players that were never a threat. When Borg lost to Brian Gottfried, he say he didn't like losing to someone who couldn't hold his tennis bag. The old Fed would have taken Delpo. He played like crap because his focus wasn't there. He done wanting. He's satiated. Discuss.

Fed will win 1 more slam. He will retire with sweet sixteen.

max
09-15-2009, 08:57 AM
Roger's good for another two. Keep in mind that the grinders/baseliners wear out at a much younger age than SV pros.

Stinkdyr
09-15-2009, 09:09 AM
the hunger....it fades.

Wondertoy
09-15-2009, 09:54 AM
Roger's good for another two. Keep in mind that the grinders/baseliners wear out at a much younger age than SV pros.

Fed is not a S&V'er. However he may have to migrate to that strategy like Sampras evolved latter in his career. Delpo, Nadal and other receive serves so deep to see the ball better and to slow the serve, Fed has to S&V ever so often to keep them honest. He gets frustrated that he's not getting the free points on serve that he tries to serve bigger and start missing 1st serves.

kimbahpnam
09-15-2009, 10:10 AM
this is one of his best years in his career and made the final of every grand slam not to mention losing in five sets both times he lost. i don't see him quitting soon.

nikdom
09-15-2009, 10:15 AM
Here is Federer's "real" and "complete" answer -

Q. How do you look back at the Grand Slam results of this year? You got two titles of Grand Slam, two finalists. How did you look back?

ROGER FEDERER: Unbelievable. Unbelievable run. Being in all major finals and winning two of those, I'm losing the other two in five sets. Sure, I would have loved to win those two as well. Being so close, I think was two points from the match today. That's the way it goes sometimes.

But year has been amazing already and it's not over yet. Got married and had kids, don't know how much more I want.


See entire interview here - http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2009-09-14/200909131252827286093.html
Clearly, Roger is saying it in context of the year he's had and not in terms of his overall career.

To the OP: You're an idiot and your post is a FAIL.

David L
09-15-2009, 10:15 AM
"Don't know how much more I want," Federer said afterwards. "This one I think is easy to get over just because I've had the most amazing summer."

He's achieved his career slam. He's broken Pete's record. He's married now and has kids. Tennis is becoming less important in his life and the competitive fire is gone. He may not know it but he will not like losing to people he once owned in big slam finals. He's 28 but if he doesn't win a slam next year, he will certainly hang it up. Burn out comes not from winning but from losing to players that were never a threat. When Borg lost to Brian Gottfried, he say he didn't like losing to someone who couldn't hold his tennis bag. The old Fed would have taken Delpo. He played like crap because his focus wasn't there. He done wanting. He's satiated. Discuss.We've had these predictions for each of the years Federer has dominated and a lot of crow has been eaten in the meantime. You don't understand Federer if you think this guy has any interest in winding down. This year is not over yet, but expect another stellar year from Federer next year. Probably better than this one. It's quite amazing, when you think about it, had Federer served in the usual 60% range in the Oz and USO finals, he would probably have a Calendar Grand Slam this year. This kind of ability and success does not drop off out of thin air. I think the difference between Borg and Federer is Federer is the greater talent and plays the game considerably more easily than anyone else on tour. The matches he plays are mostly on his racket, so until a comparable uber-talent comes along, I do not see anyone capable of displacing him while he is healthy and motivated.

nn
09-15-2009, 10:19 AM
he refer to this year not as a career or future..

just keep it that way don't take out of context..

i think he still want to win but won't cry like AO 09.

crazylevity
09-15-2009, 10:22 AM
Here is Federer's "real" and "complete" answer -



See entire interview here - http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2009-09-14/200909131252827286093.html
Clearly, Roger is saying it in context of the year he's had and not in terms of his overall career.

To the OP: You're an idiot and your post is a FAIL.

Thanks for posting the answer with context for those of us with comprehension skills.

BetterAtDoubles
09-15-2009, 10:41 AM
I remember him saying a while back that he was already looking forward to the Olympics in London. That might keep the fire alive...then again, with all that he's accomplished, adding a gold medal to his resume might not be enough to keep him going another three years.

I think he still has fun out there, though, so I'd be surprised if he retires soon.

However, I also don't see him sticking around much if his ranking drops too much, but I don't think it will.

RalphNYC
09-15-2009, 11:36 AM
Idiotic post, idiotic forum. And I'm a huge fan of tennis.

crash1929
09-15-2009, 01:12 PM
its amazing to me anyone can stay hungry as long as he has. i doubt many of us can comprehend that kind of hunger and dedication. who are we to judge him anyways. if he decideds to do it, i'd bet he could get to 20.

JRstriker12
09-15-2009, 01:14 PM
He gets to the final of a slam and the fire is gone?

Did you see him go at the ump? He was steaming mad ....... and the fire is gone???????

He fights it out for 5 sets and the fire is gone??????

Tongueincheek
09-15-2009, 01:17 PM
"Don't know how much more I want," Federer said afterwards. "This one I think is easy to get over just because I've had the most amazing summer."

He's achieved his career slam. He's broken Pete's record. He's married now and has kids. Tennis is becoming less important in his life and the competitive fire is gone. He may not know it but he will not like losing to people he once owned in big slam finals. He's 28 but if he doesn't win a slam next year, he will certainly hang it up. Burn out comes not from winning but from losing to players that were never a threat. When Borg lost to Brian Gottfried, he say he didn't like losing to someone who couldn't hold his tennis bag. The old Fed would have taken Delpo. He played like crap because his focus wasn't there. He done wanting. He's satiated. Discuss.


Jumping to huge conclusions based on one sentence or two is just palin stupid.

RFRF
09-16-2009, 07:15 AM
He gets to the final of a slam and the fire is gone?

Did you see him go at the ump? He was steaming mad ....... and the fire is gone???????

He fights it out for 5 sets and the fire is gone??????thankyou, somebody with a brain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gut Feeling
09-16-2009, 07:16 AM
What was the score of the final set of Nadal vs. Federer at the AO....wasnt it 6-2?

AAAA
09-16-2009, 07:24 AM
its amazing to me anyone can stay hungry as long as he has. i doubt many of us can comprehend that kind of hunger and dedication. who are we to judge him anyways. if he decideds to do it, i'd bet he could get to 20.

I think other players have been as hungry it's just that it took too much out of them to achieve less.

Teamtomo
09-16-2009, 09:40 AM
This thread reminds me of why I don't look at this forum that often.

topspin
09-16-2009, 09:53 AM
Ridiculous thread......

plumcrazy
09-16-2009, 10:04 AM
2009 Aussie Open finals (loses in 5 sets)
2009 French Open Champion
2009 Wimbledon Champion (wins in 5 hard sets)
2009 Us Open Finals (Loses in 5 hard sets)

Hunger is still there!!!!
Give him a break. He did just have twins which, as a father of 2 little boys, can be draining and it can lead to loss of focus on anything outside of your family. He'll be back. Of course he hasn't really gone anywhere after looking at is summer. He can't win them all.

Gut Feeling
09-16-2009, 10:05 AM
Didnt he lose some five setters at the FO?

eric draven
09-16-2009, 10:14 AM
"Don't know how much more I want," Federer said afterwards. "This one I think is easy to get over just because I've had the most amazing summer."

He's achieved his career slam. He's broken Pete's record. He's married now and has kids. Tennis is becoming less important in his life and the competitive fire is gone. He may not know it but he will not like losing to people he once owned in big slam finals. He's 28 but if he doesn't win a slam next year, he will certainly hang it up. Burn out comes not from winning but from losing to players that were never a threat. When Borg lost to Brian Gottfried, he say he didn't like losing to someone who couldn't hold his tennis bag. The old Fed would have taken Delpo. He played like crap because his focus wasn't there. He done wanting. He's satiated. Discuss.

I think I agree with the sentiment. I'm a huge Fed fan but when I watched him in the post match interview he seemed... satisfied. We didn't see the disappointment of his recent loss at the Aussie Open or the prior year's French open. No tears, no long face. He won't simply retire, he'll continue to play and play very well but he's finally mortal and more and more players will feel they have a chance against him. He may very well win a few more GS titles but it's all uphill battle from here. It really is just going to depend on how hard he wants to train, if his health holds up and if he wants to continue to put up with the travel.

ceberus
09-16-2009, 10:59 AM
Somewhere down the line, he'll just lose interest and the drive to win everything. We're slowly going down that path

ArrowSmith
09-16-2009, 12:16 PM
Guys, he's still had the best year and is #1 in the world. Sure he wants to win a couple of indoor titles for sure and regain that YEC in London.

ArrowSmith
09-16-2009, 12:17 PM
2009 Aussie Open finals (loses in 5 sets)
2009 French Open Champion
2009 Wimbledon Champion (wins in 5 hard sets)
2009 Us Open Finals (Loses in 5 hard sets)

Hunger is still there!!!!
Give him a break. He did just have twins which, as a father of 2 little boys, can be draining and it can lead to loss of focus on anything outside of your family. He'll be back. Of course he hasn't really gone anywhere after looking at is summer. He can't win them all.

Obviously if the hunger was not there, he would have battled Andy so hard and saved those 2 championship points against Del Potro. He would have just rolled over on the very first one. I predict Fed wins at least 2 more slams.

flyinghippos101
09-16-2009, 12:27 PM
2009 Aussie Open finals (loses in 5 sets)
2009 French Open Champion
2009 Wimbledon Champion (wins in 5 hard sets)
2009 Us Open Finals (Loses in 5 hard sets)

Hunger is still there!!!!
Give him a break. He did just have twins which, as a father of 2 little boys, can be draining and it can lead to loss of focus on anything outside of your family. He'll be back. Of course he hasn't really gone anywhere after looking at is summer. He can't win them all.

I believe he has two girls but otherwise you're right. But let's not say that the OP is a complete ****** now, while I wouldn't go about saying that Roger has absolutely ZERO motivation for grand slams, you can definately see that his competitiveness and hunger has slowly deflated from the glory years of 04-07.

Should Federer retire now? Hells no, Federer is only 28, he still has atleast 2 or 3 years left of brilliant tennis and considering that he didn't even have a first serve at 50% AND still brought it to five sets, speaks of conviction and confidence in Fed's ground game. While Federer's dominance ended two years ago, It would be hard to forget Roger Federer even if his ranking dips and begins posting more early round loses.

I think Fed still has enough for two or three more grand slams and who knows, maybe he'll hit jackpot and get a gold in singles aswell.

Wuornos
09-16-2009, 12:40 PM
I think Federer is as good as he ever was. I just think the top of the men's game now is at an unbeliavably high level.

I can look at Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and del Potro and think the standard of play each of them are currently producing could proabably have made them #1 when Lleyton Hewitt's or Andy Roddick's reigns at the top were in place.

That makes 4 players currently playing better than the number 1 player of the era immediately preceeding the reign of Federer. In my humble opinion.

Sorry but I'm still not convinced on Andy Murray's credentials. For me I need to see more evidence of him producing the goods on the big occasions..

Tim

crazylevity
09-16-2009, 11:37 PM
Pretty decent article against the OP's sentiments:

http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/10074170/Federer%27s-latest-loss-just-adds-fuel-to-fire

TheFifthSet
09-16-2009, 11:44 PM
What was the score of the final set of Nadal vs. Federer at the AO....wasnt it 6-2?

Why, it was the same score as the third set of the Nadal-Del Potro match. Or the second set. Or the first set.

ArrowSmith
09-16-2009, 11:46 PM
Pretty decent article against the OP's sentiments:

http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/10074170/Federer%27s-latest-loss-just-adds-fuel-to-fire

I tend to think Fed is more motivated then ever. If he were feeling devastated and distraught he'd not show up to Davis Cup this week. He's going to be a force the rest of the season and in Australia.

Badger
09-17-2009, 05:24 AM
Here is Federer's "real" and "complete" answer -



See entire interview here - http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/interviews/2009-09-14/200909131252827286093.html
Clearly, Roger is saying it in context of the year he's had and not in terms of his overall career.

To the OP: You're an idiot and your post is a FAIL.

Ahahahahahaha. I laughed.

shaysrebelII
09-17-2009, 06:58 AM
Pretty decent article against the OP's sentiments:

http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/10074170/Federer%27s-latest-loss-just-adds-fuel-to-fire

Nice article, I hope this guy's right.

Wondertoy
09-17-2009, 07:38 AM
Look, I'm a Fed fan, he's my favorite to watch. I just think that when you lay down 2-6 in the 5th, your focus is not there. He let Delpo hit too many forehands!

"He was just 50 percent on his first serves. He had his tournament-high total of 62 unforced errors to just 56 winners. He tossed in 11 double faults while totaling just 15 combined in his first six matches.

The fire is gone. When you have been on top in the exquisite fashion that he has been accustomed to, you don't want to lose to guys you are 6-0 with. He lost to Tsonga, Warwrinka, Djoker. It's going to come more and more. He is captive to his own success. When Henin was #1 and she started losing dramatically to people she wasn't used to losing to. Then fearing that she had to defend her French title, she quit. Burnout never comes from winning. It always comes from losing to people you used to own. Safin is in this death spiral. Remember when Sampras started to not win titles? Then he started to lose to journeymmen and the fans and press started asking him when is it time to hang it up? No #1 wants to be embarrassed out there as the embarrassment is more public and more acute. When Sampras broke Emerson's record, that was the beginning of the end for him. Same for Fed although you won't notice it now but he has reached his pinnacle. All goals have been satiated. The kiddies need his attention now. Having kids will mollify his drive. Enjoy watching him while you can because the young hungry tigers are nipping at his hind quarters. The king of the herd is entering his winter. He may eak out one more slam and then he will hang it up. If he changes his game to more attacking and less baseline play, he may survive at the top longer as his backhand will be less exposed.

ArrowSmith
09-17-2009, 09:35 AM
Wondertoy - let me know when Fed starts piling up the losses to journeyman. How does losing to DelPo count?

Wondertoy
09-18-2009, 10:08 AM
The only thing that would keep the fire going would be wanting to win the Davis Cup for the Swiss or the Olympic Gold for singles. Another loss at the W or USO final, especially against Rafa, and he's definitely done.

NickC
09-18-2009, 10:29 AM
The only thing that would keep the fire going would be wanting to win the Davis Cup for the Swiss or the Olympic Gold for singles. Another loss at the W or USO final, especially against Rafa, and he's definitely done.

Dude, as much as I respect what you say and all that (and as I know who you are, I know you're probably one of the best players on this board thus one of the most qualified to speak your mind), Fed ain't done. Is he done winning 3 slams a year on average? Yes. Is he close to loosing his grip on the #1 ranking? Yes. Does he have the game to hang with the tour for a few more years? Certainly. Sampras won a few slams on the wrong side of 30, who's to say Rog, who is technically in his prime (26-29 years of age is the norm) can't do the same? And he is on record saying that he wants to retire after he wins gold at the 2012 Olympics, and retire after that. Why not let him do that, the place where it all began? It started at the All-England Lawn Tennis Club, so it's going to end at the All-England Lawn Tennis Club, and Federer knows it.